IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2016-04-20

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fishbulbum, the backupmenu in this repo is 1.2.0-200:33
fishbulbis this actually the one to use?00:34
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fishbulbwhich version of backupmenu is the current one?00:48
Sicelothat one00:48
fishbulbwhich one00:50
DocScrutinizer05use any that works for you, they are all fine00:53
DocScrutinizer05you might get a few unmet dependencies with the testing, possibly, since it needs i2ctools to enable charging iirc00:53
DocScrutinizer05unless that got fixed meanwhile00:54
DocScrutinizer05I *think* I brute-force promoted i2ctools to testing, so the dependencies should be met00:55
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, pkg is
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fishbulbhow do I get the dependencies00:59
DocScrutinizer05hmm i2ctools are even in extras now, so no dependency problems expected00:59
fishbulbit says there is a problem00:59
fishbulbin that it's uninstallable00:59
DocScrutinizer05please quote (pastebin)00:59
fishbulbusing application manager00:59
fishbulba dependency isn't met01:00
fishbulband I don't know why it doens' tjust install it01:00
DocScrutinizer05when you install via HAM, there's a "details" tab01:00
DocScrutinizer05or "errors" or whatever01:00
fishbulbsummary description problems01:00
fishbulbproblems: unable to install "backupmenu"01:00
fishbulbapplication packages missing: liblzo2-201:01
DocScrutinizer05dang nokia!
infobotit has been said that jrrepos is
DocScrutinizer05or simply install
ecc3g /clear01:03
DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: the problem aiui is:  you can't get the "Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel" repo anymore01:06
DocScrutinizer05there are other repos where to get liblzo01:06
DocScrutinizer05or you simply install the .deb via download and dpkg -i ./liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb01:07
DocScrutinizer05@council: ^^^ is sth you should have a look into01:07
DocScrutinizer05either find and fix the problem, or delegate. At least discuss with community how to fix this01:08
DocScrutinizer05this is a typical council task01:08
DocScrutinizer05doesn't need experts to coordinate fixing01:09
Sicelothat package should be in one of the mirrors01:10
DocScrutinizer05add SDK repo and you should be done01:10
DocScrutinizer05or what Sicelo said01:10
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: could you check if it's covered by ?01:11
fishbulbis it in testing01:12
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DocScrutinizer05sure, tools, so use
DocScrutinizer05so it seems it's not im muarf mirror?01:15
DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: no, liblzo is a base package that's not in maemo-extras-*01:16
fishbulbso I can't install backupmenu01:16
DocScrutinizer05it's in tools and SDK repo however01:17
DocScrutinizer05you can, easily01:17
DocScrutinizer05just click on in device's browser01:17
DocScrutinizer05nod off the warnings, then install BM, should work01:17
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DocScrutinizer05or, like I said above, you download and install it from cmdline via dpkg -i liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb01:19
DocScrutinizer05nfc why it is in
DocScrutinizer05prolly that's what SDK and tools refer to01:20
DocScrutinizer05ask merlin1991 for details, he's repo master and our expert01:21
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DocScrutinizer05please refer to  and
DocScrutinizer05you want any fremantle armel repo01:27
DocScrutinizer05I.E. either Fremantle SDK free armel  or  Fremantle SDK tools free armel, or you just download and install the .deb manually01:28
* DocScrutinizer05 ponders to brute-force promote from SDK tools to maemo-extras, to fix this issue01:29
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^ any thoughts? comments?01:36
fishbulbbrute force please :)01:37
fishbulbor just that one thing01:37
fishbulbinclude it with backupmenu01:37
DocScrutinizer05yes, that should also be a possible solution01:37
DocScrutinizer05'locally linked' liblzo01:37
fishbulbit seems to me like that's less hassle01:38
DocScrutinizer05included and shipped in BM01:38
DocScrutinizer05hmm, a one-click backupmenu.install comes to mind01:39
DocScrutinizer05should be trivial to add e.g. the tools repo to satisfy dependecies01:41
fishbulbhow hard is it to add that package with backupmenu?01:41
DocScrutinizer05see example
fishbulbwith the phone?01:44
DocScrutinizer05look at it NOT in phone01:45
DocScrutinizer05it's not BM01:45
DocScrutinizer05it shows how it might be easily possible to install BM with just one click, and meet all dependencies01:45
fishbulbthe link doesn't work01:46
DocScrutinizer05afaik an .install file can have more than one repo *and* a package01:46
DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: could you please try clicking in phone's browser?01:56
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DocScrutinizer05nothing bad should happen, worst case maybe it doesn't work01:57
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DocScrutinizer05anybody willing to test BM.install one-click?02:10
DocScrutinizer05krhrhr still refers to maemo-extras-devel for BM02:13
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DocScrutinizer05please try
DocScrutinizer05nevermind my rant, looks good, just lacks SDK tools repo for liblzo02:15
DocScrutinizer05please try
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DocScrutinizer05ok, I tested it on an age old plain maemo fremantle (Pr1.2 even?) system, and apart from taking ages it seems to install just great02:56
infobotfrom memory, backupmenu is
DocScrutinizer05~bm is also one-click install handling dependency issues:
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay02:57
infobotwell, backupmenu is, or one-click install handling dependency issues:
DocScrutinizer05  p.137?? wtf?!03:03
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, quiet earth, eh?03:38
DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: what's up?03:38
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DocScrutinizer05sucks to provide a solution for a problem that seems to have vanished into nirvana03:39
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DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: just open in your phone browser and click on BM.install - then wait a 10 min while nodding off a few requesters03:45
DocScrutinizer05then enjoy backupmenu03:45
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: how about at least patching *all**/dists/fremantle/install/*.install to include some mirrors of dead Nokia repos?04:07
DocScrutinizer05I know we've been there done that, with skeiron. Maybe this time it receives less bashing04:08
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fishbulbI was sleeping05:02
fishbulbthanks for the solution, I'll try it in a while05:04
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DocScrutinizer05(wait a 10 min) *eventually* HAM will show a yellow notified like "one packet installed succkessfully"06:55
DocScrutinizer05then it's done06:55
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KotCzarnywens, woohoo07:50
KotCzarnym3 is nice feature wise07:50
KotCzarnypity a83t is almost unsupported07:51
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fishbulbhow close is that neo900 project?09:20
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Sicelomy n900 rebooted unexpectedly :/19:46
Siceloin syslog are a couple of:19:47
Sicelokernel: [31618.557556] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered19:47
KotCzarnydisable hw in /etc/sgx.conf or whatever it is?19:48
Siceloi don't follow19:49
KotCzarnywhat is the value of wsegl_usehwsync in /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini ?19:50
KotCzarnythen its not it19:51
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Siceloweird thing is that i was not even doing anything unusual on the N900. it was just connected to an ssh server, & i was not using it19:59
povbotBug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU19:59
Siceloi don't know if that sgx_misr process was running erratically, as i was not actively using device20:00
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KotCzarnywell, at least you know you are not alone20:02
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drathiranyone using genwall?20:18
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Siceloanyone can explain how to understand/interpret /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets?20:39
sixwheeledbeastSicelo: I have had that in the past, unresolved bug IIRC.20:48
DocScrutinizer05it's a tad obfuscated but I think it counts the totals of the different reset reasons20:48
DocScrutinizer05yep, total of dsme process monitor restarts per process20:50
Sicelolet me show mine.20:51
Siceloso i'm a little lost .. is it saying *all* those applications were reset?20:54
DocScrutinizer05note that mine also has some intentional manual kills20:54
DocScrutinizer05at some time since the system got installed20:54
DocScrutinizer05note that I always restore via BM, so mine is basically at least since PR1.320:55
Siceloah, so not useful info then if it's talking about history :p20:55
DocScrutinizer05however camera-ui is somewhat real, I actually see lockups20:56
DocScrutinizer05delete it20:56
DocScrutinizer05yes, it's crap it doesn't have history/timestamps20:56
Sicelomy system has been going on for 5 years .. no reflsh/restore20:57
Siceloso that info could be from God-knows-when20:57
DocScrutinizer05not bad then20:58
Sicelobut lately i'm having weird things happening .. last week i would wake up to a completely hung device .. something to do with communication between mce & dbus20:59
Sicelois it possible to restart dbus without reboot?21:00
DocScrutinizer05actually not "all tose apps were reset" but "restarted" after either quitting or going unresponsive21:00
DocScrutinizer05hmm dbus, nope21:00
Sicelothat's unfortunate21:02
Sicelobecause most of the hiccups i have had on this device tend to involve dbus one way or other, usually with mce21:02
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Sicelolongest uptime is now only 10 days .. cannot manage beyond that21:03
Siceloalthough with this latest sgx problem, perhaps battery at fault too21:03
KotCzarnysicelo, which branch you have?21:04
KotCzarnydid it behave before you went to thumb?21:05
Siceloi believe so. even when i got to thumb :)21:06
Sicelothis developed over time ... tbh it's hinting at a reflash,21:06
Sicelowhich i'm not too keen on, yet21:07
kerioSicelo: restarting dbus makes everything stop working properly21:11
keriobecause the design is FUCKING AWFUL21:11
Sicelomaemo bugs make for amusing reading sometimes :)21:11
Sicelokerio: doyou know how to even restart it?21:11
kerioservice dbus restart?21:12
kerioor something like that21:12
KotCzarny /etc/init.d/dbus restart?21:12
Siceloi don't remember if i've tried that, and what happened thereafter21:12
KotCzarnymost likely you will get a reboot21:13
KotCzarnybecause of watchdog killing things21:13
* KotCzarny got me 128GB sd card for banana21:14
KotCzarnygonna try upgrading a package or two for n90021:15
KotCzarnyespecially that i can have working compile env for maemo in few hundred megs now21:15
KotCzarnythough binutils from lenny backports failed21:16
Siceloanother N900 thing to understand is dsme ... is it documented somewhere?21:19
KotCzarnyapparently source code for it is available21:23
KotCzarnyafter 3 kills dsme will sw reset the device21:24
KotCzarny(from random google snippets)21:24
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Siceloanyway, got to make food. this N900 situation doesn't seem easily solvable for now. time to move to iPhone, lol21:27
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KotCzarnyreflash before considering such drastic move21:28
KotCzarnyand try to beat 10 days on cssu-stable21:28
Sicelolol, just a joke. i have no interest in iphone21:29
DocScrutinizer05  hw bug? interference from cmt TX into PVR?21:29
povbotBug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU21:29
SiceloDocScrutinizer05: i've been reading it21:30
DocScrutinizer05you didn't read my comment before21:30
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DocScrutinizer05hw bug? interference from cmt TX into PVR?21:30
DocScrutinizer05could also be ripple on Vbatt due to cmt eating high amounts of current21:31
DocScrutinizer05 is prolly a red herring21:32
povbotBug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU21:32
Sicelofor that bug, most of them seem to have a map program of sorts doing things in background. i wasn't using any maps program however21:33
SiceloWoody reported incoming SMS as being involved .. i didn't have that either21:34
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DocScrutinizer05>>  I might be able to provide a way to reproduce this bug reliably, perhaps using home router to create poor network conditions when the app is trying to load map images etc.<< in #48 is exactly to the point I guess21:35
DocScrutinizer05when it's Vbatt ripple, an old battery will massively increase likelyhood of the bug21:36
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Siceloi understand that. just wonder what would have 'rippled' me in this case though21:37
DocScrutinizer05when it's EMI/RFI then the signal quality/level of 2G (particularly 2G, while 3G might be less susceptible) is relevant21:37
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: even mere phone does TX every now and then21:38
DocScrutinizer05do yoz have 2G or 3G?21:38
DocScrutinizer05how's your sigbal level?21:38
Sicelo3G. i was connected to wifi at the time, full strenght. also full strength on 3G21:39
KotCzarnywas it in the vicinity of red bar?21:39
DocScrutinizer05then it's pretty unlikely that power bursts on cmt are the reason, neither TX RD21:39
Sicelonot red. it became red maybe 20 minutes after the reboot21:40
KotCzarnyold battery might fluctuate more21:40
Siceloi'll monitor this closely, & try get hold of another battery21:42
* Sicelo goes for a shower & food21:43
DocScrutinizer05W*T*F?!  >>  it can add a /etc/powervr.d/ file[1] where it sets a suitable command buffer size for itself (I have no idea whether there's documentation on this, maybe Imagination www-site has something). [1] "strace -e open -f <application>" will tell which files SGX libs try to open.<<21:53
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DocScrutinizer05>>  I /don't/ see it anymore, still on PR1.2. Maybe coincidence, but I think it stopped when I stopped leaving GPS active 24/7.<< again a cmt domain thing that only possibly could have impact to system via Vbatt21:57
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Linkandzeldawhat can i do with a 2nd n900, anything cool?22:25
Siceloalternative OS, upstream kernel with Maemo, etc.22:25
DocScrutinizer05Linkandzelda: I once did an extremely cool setup with IRreco, using one N900 as the UI input device, and a 2nd N900 placed in front of my TV playing back the IR signal using lirc server, both communicating via WLAN22:33
DocScrutinizer05you also can remote-access the camera of one N900 and show the image on 2nd22:33
Linkandzeldaoh, thats cool22:34
DocScrutinizer05or you simply keep one device always-attached to your PC to always have a ssh session to maemo for testing etc22:34
DocScrutinizer05many devels do the latter22:34
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DocScrutinizer05I also used a N900 with a shellscript and ssh to log ambient light changes (actually a display of an appliance) going off for 0.5s at (what I thought was) random intervals22:36
DocScrutinizer05people used N900 as livestream camera to their website22:37
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KotCzarnyLinkandzelda: connect one of the n900 to stereo system, install some server-remote type audio player and have an intelligent audio setup/internet radio23:56
Linkandzeldanot a bad idea indeed23:59

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