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| fishbulb | um, the backupmenu in this repo is 1.2.0-2 | 00:33 |
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| fishbulb | is this actually the one to use? | 00:34 |
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| fishbulb | which version of backupmenu is the current one? | 00:48 |
| Sicelo | that one | 00:48 |
| fishbulb | which one | 00:50 |
| Sicelo | 1.2.0-2 | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use any that works for you, they are all fine | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might get a few unmet dependencies with the testing, possibly, since it needs i2ctools to enable charging iirc | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless that got fixed meanwhile | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* I brute-force promoted i2ctools to testing, so the dependencies should be met | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 00:56 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 00:56 |
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| fishbulb | how do I get the dependencies | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm i2ctools are even in extras now, so no dependency problems expected | 00:59 |
| fishbulb | it says there is a problem | 00:59 |
| fishbulb | in that it's uninstallable | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please quote (pastebin) | 00:59 |
| fishbulb | using application manager | 00:59 |
| fishbulb | a dependency isn't met | 01:00 |
| fishbulb | and I don't know why it doens' tjust install it | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you install via HAM, there's a "details" tab | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or "errors" or whatever | 01:00 |
| fishbulb | summary description problems | 01:00 |
| fishbulb | problems: unable to install "backupmenu" | 01:00 |
| fishbulb | application packages missing: liblzo2-2 | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang nokia! http://maemo.org/packages/view/liblzo2-2/ | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos | 01:02 |
| infobot | it has been said that jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ | 01:02 |
| fishbulb | what? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply install http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/l/lzo2/liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb | 01:03 |
| ecc3g | /clear | 01:03 |
| ecc3g | clear | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clear | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: the problem aiui is: you can't get the "Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel" repo anymore | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are other repos where to get liblzo | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply install the .deb via download and dpkg -i ./liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | @council: ^^^ is sth you should have a look into | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either find and fix the problem, or delegate. At least discuss with community how to fix this | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is a typical council task | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't need experts to coordinate fixing | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/liblzo2-2/2.03-1maemo3/ | 01:10 |
| Sicelo | that package should be in one of the mirrors | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | add SDK repo and you should be done | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or what Sicelo said | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: could you check if it's covered by http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install ? | 01:11 |
| fishbulb | is it in testing | 01:12 |
| Sicelo | http://paste.debian.net/439614/ | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, tools, so use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf_devel_tools.install | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it seems it's not im muarf mirror? | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: no, liblzo is a base package that's not in maemo-extras-* | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 01:16 |
| fishbulb | so I can't install backupmenu | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's in tools and SDK repo however | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can, easily | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just click on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf_devel_tools.install in device's browser | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nod off the warnings, then install BM, should work | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or, like I said above, you download http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/l/lzo2/liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb and install it from cmdline via dpkg -i liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc why it is in maemo.org/pool | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly that's what SDK and tools refer to | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask merlin1991 for details, he's repo master and our expert | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please refer to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ and http://maemo.org/packages/view/liblzo2-2/ | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want any fremantle armel repo | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. either Fremantle SDK free armel or Fremantle SDK tools free armel, or you just download and install the .deb manually | 01:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to brute-force promote from SDK tools to maemo-extras, to fix this issue | 01:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ any thoughts? comments? | 01:36 |
| fishbulb | brute force please :) | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 01:37 |
| fishbulb | or just that one thing | 01:37 |
| fishbulb | include it with backupmenu | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that should also be a possible solution | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 'locally linked' liblzo | 01:37 |
| fishbulb | it seems to me like that's less hassle | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | included and shipped in BM | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, a one-click backupmenu.install comes to mind | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should be trivial to add e.g. the tools repo to satisfy dependecies | 01:41 |
| fishbulb | how hard is it to add that package with backupmenu? | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see example http://my-maemo.com/downloads/sendfile.php4?DownloadID=1104 | 01:43 |
| fishbulb | with the phone? | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/install/wifieye.install | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look at it NOT in phone | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not BM | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it shows how it might be easily possible to install BM with just one click, and meet all dependencies | 01:45 |
| fishbulb | the link doesn't work | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik an .install file can have more than one repo *and* a package | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/20/plasma-desktopJU2219.png | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | compare http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf_devel_tools.install | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: could you please try clicking http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install in phone's browser? | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing bad should happen, worst case maybe it doesn't work | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody willing to test BM.install one-click? | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | krhrhr http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/install/backupmenu.install still refers to maemo-extras-devel for BM | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please try http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind my rant, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/install/backupmenu.install looks good, just lacks SDK tools repo for liblzo | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please try http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I tested it on an age old plain maemo fremantle (Pr1.2 even?) system, and apart from taking ages it seems to install just great | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 02:56 |
| infobot | from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm is also one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 02:57 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 02:57 |
| infobot | well, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975&page=137 p.137?? wtf?! | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, quiet earth, eh? | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: what's up? | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sucks to provide a solution for a problem that seems to have vanished into nirvana | 03:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: just open http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ in your phone browser and click on BM.install - then wait a 10 min while nodding off a few requesters | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then enjoy backupmenu | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: how about at least patching *all* http://repository.maemo.org/extras*/dists/fremantle/install/*.install to include some mirrors of dead Nokia repos? | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know we've been there done that, with skeiron. Maybe this time it receives less bashing | 04:08 |
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| fishbulb | hi | 05:02 |
| fishbulb | I was sleeping | 05:02 |
| fishbulb | thanks for the solution, I'll try it in a while | 05:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (wait a 10 min) *eventually* HAM will show a yellow notified like "one packet installed succkessfully" | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it's done | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | notifier* | 06:55 |
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| KotCzarny | wens, woohoo | 07:50 |
| KotCzarny | m3 is nice feature wise | 07:50 |
| KotCzarny | pity a83t is almost unsupported | 07:51 |
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| fishbulb | how close is that neo900 project? | 09:20 |
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| Sicelo | my n900 rebooted unexpectedly :/ | 19:46 |
| Sicelo | in syslog are a couple of: | 19:47 |
| Sicelo | kernel: [31618.557556] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | disable hw in /etc/sgx.conf or whatever it is? | 19:48 |
| Sicelo | i don't follow | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | what is the value of wsegl_usehwsync in /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini ? | 19:50 |
| Sicelo | 0 | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | then its not it | 19:51 |
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| Sicelo | weird thing is that i was not even doing anything unusual on the N900. it was just connected to an ssh server, & i was not using it | 19:59 |
| Sicelo | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150 | 19:59 |
| povbot | Bug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU | 19:59 |
| Sicelo | i don't know if that sgx_misr process was running erratically, as i was not actively using device | 20:00 |
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| KotCzarny | well, at least you know you are not alone | 20:02 |
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| drathir | anyone using genwall? | 20:18 |
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| Sicelo | anyone can explain how to understand/interpret /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets? | 20:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: I have had that in the past, unresolved bug IIRC. | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tad obfuscated but I think it counts the totals of the different reset reasons | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, total of dsme process monitor restarts per process | 20:50 |
| Sicelo | let me show mine. | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/74724405 | 20:51 |
| Sicelo | http://paste.debian.net/439755/ | 20:52 |
| Sicelo | so i'm a little lost .. is it saying *all* those applications were reset? | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | note that mine also has some intentional manual kills | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at some time since the system got installed | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | note that I always restore via BM, so mine is basically at least since PR1.3 | 20:55 |
| Sicelo | ah, so not useful info then if it's talking about history :p | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however camera-ui is somewhat real, I actually see lockups | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | delete it | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's crap it doesn't have history/timestamps | 20:56 |
| Sicelo | my system has been going on for 5 years .. no reflsh/restore | 20:57 |
| Sicelo | so that info could be from God-knows-when | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not bad then | 20:58 |
| Sicelo | but lately i'm having weird things happening .. last week i would wake up to a completely hung device .. something to do with communication between mce & dbus | 20:59 |
| Sicelo | is it possible to restart dbus without reboot? | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually not "all tose apps were reset" but "restarted" after either quitting or going unresponsive | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm dbus, nope | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly | 21:00 |
| Sicelo | that's unfortunate | 21:02 |
| Sicelo | because most of the hiccups i have had on this device tend to involve dbus one way or other, usually with mce | 21:02 |
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| Sicelo | longest uptime is now only 10 days .. cannot manage beyond that | 21:03 |
| Sicelo | although with this latest sgx problem, perhaps battery at fault too | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, which branch you have? | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 21:04 |
| Sicelo | thumb | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | did it behave before you went to thumb? | 21:05 |
| Sicelo | i believe so. even when i got to thumb :) | 21:06 |
| Sicelo | this developed over time ... tbh it's hinting at a reflash, | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:07 |
| Sicelo | which i'm not too keen on, yet | 21:07 |
| kerio | Sicelo: restarting dbus makes everything stop working properly | 21:11 |
| kerio | because the design is FUCKING AWFUL | 21:11 |
| Sicelo | maemo bugs make for amusing reading sometimes :) | 21:11 |
| Sicelo | kerio: doyou know how to even restart it? | 21:11 |
| kerio | huh | 21:12 |
| kerio | service dbus restart? | 21:12 |
| kerio | or something like that | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | /etc/init.d/dbus restart? | 21:12 |
| Sicelo | i don't remember if i've tried that, and what happened thereafter | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | most likely you will get a reboot | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | because of watchdog killing things | 21:13 |
| * KotCzarny got me 128GB sd card for banana | 21:14 | |
| KotCzarny | gonna try upgrading a package or two for n900 | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | especially that i can have working compile env for maemo in few hundred megs now | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | though binutils from lenny backports failed | 21:16 |
| Sicelo | another N900 thing to understand is dsme ... is it documented somewhere? | 21:19 |
| KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/System_Software#Device_State_Management_Entity_.28DSME.29 | 21:20 |
| Sicelo | thanks | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo#DSME | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | apparently source code for it is available | 21:23 |
| KotCzarny | after 3 kills dsme will sw reset the device | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | (from random google snippets) | 21:24 |
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| Sicelo | anyway, got to make food. this N900 situation doesn't seem easily solvable for now. time to move to iPhone, lol | 21:27 |
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| KotCzarny | reflash before considering such drastic move | 21:28 |
| KotCzarny | and try to beat 10 days on cssu-stable | 21:28 |
| Sicelo | lol, just a joke. i have no interest in iphone | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150#c44 hw bug? interference from cmt TX into PVR? | 21:29 |
| povbot | Bug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU | 21:29 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: i've been reading it | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you didn't read my comment before | 21:30 |
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| Sicelo | which? | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hw bug? interference from cmt TX into PVR? | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could also be ripple on Vbatt due to cmt eating high amounts of current | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150#c45 is prolly a red herring | 21:32 |
| povbot | Bug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU | 21:32 |
| Sicelo | for that bug, most of them seem to have a map program of sorts doing things in background. i wasn't using any maps program however | 21:33 |
| Sicelo | Woody reported incoming SMS as being involved .. i didn't have that either | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >> I might be able to provide a way to reproduce this bug reliably, perhaps using home router to create poor network conditions when the app is trying to load map images etc.<< in #48 is exactly to the point I guess | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when it's Vbatt ripple, an old battery will massively increase likelyhood of the bug | 21:36 |
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| Sicelo | i understand that. just wonder what would have 'rippled' me in this case though | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when it's EMI/RFI then the signal quality/level of 2G (particularly 2G, while 3G might be less susceptible) is relevant | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: even mere phone does TX every now and then | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do yoz have 2G or 3G? | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you* | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's your sigbal level? | 21:38 |
| Sicelo | 3G. i was connected to wifi at the time, full strenght. also full strength on 3G | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 21:39 |
| KotCzarny | was it in the vicinity of red bar? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it's pretty unlikely that power bursts on cmt are the reason, neither TX RD | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RF | 21:39 |
| Sicelo | not red. it became red maybe 20 minutes after the reboot | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err? | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | old battery might fluctuate more | 21:40 |
| Sicelo | i'll monitor this closely, & try get hold of another battery | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F?! >> it can add a /etc/powervr.d/ file[1] where it sets a suitable command buffer size for itself (I have no idea whether there's documentation on this, maybe Imagination www-site has something). [1] "strace -e open -f <application>" will tell which files SGX libs try to open.<< | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >> I /don't/ see it anymore, still on PR1.2. Maybe coincidence, but I think it stopped when I stopped leaving GPS active 24/7.<< again a cmt domain thing that only possibly could have impact to system via Vbatt | 21:57 |
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| Linkandzelda | what can i do with a 2nd n900, anything cool? | 22:25 |
| Sicelo | alternative OS, upstream kernel with Maemo, etc. | 22:25 |
| Linkandzelda | hmm | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: I once did an extremely cool setup with IRreco, using one N900 as the UI input device, and a 2nd N900 placed in front of my TV playing back the IR signal using lirc server, both communicating via WLAN | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you also can remote-access the camera of one N900 and show the image on 2nd | 22:33 |
| Linkandzelda | oh, thats cool | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply keep one device always-attached to your PC to always have a ssh session to maemo for testing etc | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | many devels do the latter | 22:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I also used a N900 with a shellscript and ssh to log ambient light changes (actually a display of an appliance) going off for 0.5s at (what I thought was) random intervals | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | people used N900 as livestream camera to their website | 22:37 |
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| KotCzarny | Linkandzelda: connect one of the n900 to stereo system, install some server-remote type audio player and have an intelligent audio setup/internet radio | 23:56 |
| Linkandzelda | not a bad idea indeed | 23:59 |
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