IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2016-04-13

Linkandzeldais there like a 2015/2016 guide to the n900 with all current stuff in it that i can follow so i make no mistakes?00:00
Sicelotbh, i use apt 99% of the time, but, i am not saying you should00:00
Linkandzeldai would, but right now i just wanted an easy way to get the name and description of all available packages so i get what looks interesting00:03
Siceloapt-cache search quicker for that, and absolutely safe, of course00:04
Linkandzeldaguess i'll check out speedyham, failing that apt-cache00:05
Linkandzelda~speedyHAM00:05
infobotSpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb.  SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU-testing now00:05
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Linkandzeldais there a place i can read all commands this bot offers?00:05
Sicelodunno :)00:08
Siceloap-cache search will be faster than any gui package manager fwiw00:09
Sicelo*apt00:09
SiceloLinkandzelda: there's the wiki to help you with current know working stuff .. but as you can realize .. commuinity effort, and some stuff therefore may not be always up to date there. asking here on IRC or tmo will usually result in quick responses, depending on time of day00:11
Siceloand our greatest devs also can be found at both places00:11
Linkandzeldasweet00:12
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LinkandzeldaSicelo: are you a dev?00:52
DocScrutinizer05~tell Linkandzelda about jrtools01:02
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sixwheeledbeast~listkeys #maemo01:20
infobotFactoid search of '#maemo' by key (15 of 104): #maemo beasttweaks ;; #maemo bm-images ;; #maemo bme-replacement ;; #maemo closed ;; #maemo cssu-state ;; #maemo db ;; #maemo debhelper7 ;; #maemo donate ;; #maemo emmc2 ;; #maemo emmc3 ;; #maemo gmo ;; #maemo mcebug ;; #maemo mhd ;; #maemo microb-proxy ;; #maemo mirrors.01:20
sixwheeledbeastI doubt random factoids will help01:21
DocScrutinizer05~+help01:21
infobotI learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"01:21
infobot37 topics: action, addressing, alternation, author, banadd, bandel, botmail, chanadd, chandel, chaninfo, chanset, chanunset, chattr, chnick, chpass, contents, convert, cookie, corrections, cpustats, crypt, cycle, dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dice, dict, dns, do, dollar variables, dstats, factinfo, factstats, flags, forget, freshmeat01:21
infobot39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostadd, hostdel, httpdtype, identify, ignore, ircstats, join, karma, kernel, kick, lart, lc, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lobotomy, lock, main, math, md5, mode, news, news add, news del, news mod, news set, news set expire, nickometer, onjoin, ord, page, part, piglatin, quote, redirection01:21
infobot33 topics: rename, reply, reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen, slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic mod, topic mv, topic restore, translate, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock, upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, verstats, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf01:21
DocScrutinizer05~searchvalues maemo.org01:22
ds3y is at http:///01:22
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DocScrutinizer05~listvalues maemo.org01:22
ds3where can i find y?01:22
infobotFactoid search of 'maemo.org' by value (18 of 198): #maemo bnf ;; #maemo cherry ;; #maemo power ;; #maemo uboot ;; #maemo vkbd-portrait ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; arch-n900 ;; becomeroot ;; bme ;; boot-sd ;; bq-calibrate ;; bupbat ;; cssu-devel ;; extras-product ;; extras-upload ;; hildon-extras ;; jrtools ;; maemo-packaging.01:22
DocScrutinizer05~where is y01:22
infobotDocScrutinizer05: what are you talking about?01:22
DocScrutinizer05~y01:22
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys y01:22
infobotFactoid search of 'y' by key (13 of 9246): (well everyone ;; babelfish x to de: today ;; btw., the man pages are the only documentation, or ;; country .bv ;; country bouvet island ;; country kenya ;; country vanuatu ;; diary.py ;; ebonify "my kung fu ;; gyahtzee ;; haha you ;; linux intrusion detection system ;; only does it when s/.01:22
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys ^y$01:23
infobotFactoid search of '^y$' by key returned no results.01:23
DocScrutinizer05~y is blabla01:23
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay01:23
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys ^y$01:23
infobotFactoid search of '^y$' by key (1): y.01:23
DocScrutinizer05~y01:23
infoboti heard y is blabla01:23
DocScrutinizer05~forget y01:23
infoboti forgot y, DocScrutinizer0501:23
DocScrutinizer05~botsnack01:24
infobotDocScrutinizer05: thanks01:24
DocScrutinizer05~forget (well everyone01:25
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot (well everyone01:25
DocScrutinizer05~forget babelfish x to de: today01:25
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot babelfish x to de: today01:25
DocScrutinizer05~forget btw., the man pages are the only documentation, or01:26
infoboti forgot btw., the man pages are the only documentation, or, DocScrutinizer0501:26
DocScrutinizer05~literal haha you01:26
* infobot beats you about the head with the ha ha bat01:26
DocScrutinizer05~literal only does it when s/01:27
infobot"only does it when s/" is "the first of the line?"01:27
DocScrutinizer05~lforget only does it when s/01:27
DocScrutinizer05~forget only does it when s/01:27
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot only does it when s/01:27
azkayecc3g: Those kits are still too big, I need something that'll fit in headphones01:28
DocScrutinizer05o.O01:28
DocScrutinizer05sounds like hardware01:28
SiceloLinkandzelda: no, no dev. just hopeless user01:29
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azkayYeah I'm trying to find a small fm stereo receiver with analog volume that I don't need a microcontroller to use :P01:30
azkayThey're more uncommon than I thought01:30
azkayI think I'll just have to get a tiny microcontroller and get one of the controlled ones01:30
azkaymaybe sparkfun.com/products/retired/8770 + adafruit.com/products/150001:31
DocScrutinizer05umm01:31
DocScrutinizer05why don't you slaughter a cheesy tiny FM radio?01:32
azkayHaven't found one small enough01:32
DocScrutinizer05they are as small as a quarter of a matchbox01:32
azkayI had a pair of cheapo chinese FM headphones, took the receiver out of those but they were still too big01:33
DocScrutinizer05I actually only know of I2C controlled chips, but that doesn't mean a thing, never searched for all-in-one chips01:33
DocScrutinizer05I bet there must be chips that have 4 lines for pushbuttons: freq+/- and vol+/-01:34
DocScrutinizer05van't be larger than 6mm^201:34
DocScrutinizer05can't, even01:34
DocScrutinizer05you'll need some additional birdseed01:35
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DocScrutinizer05FFS, digikey gives me error infinite redirect01:38
DocScrutinizer05http://search.silabs.com/search?q=FM%20receiver&site=english&client=silabs&proxystylesheet=silabs01:40
DocScrutinizer05azkay: ^^^01:40
DocScrutinizer05you might find a few useful chips there01:40
DocScrutinizer05http://pages.silabs.com/LP-ATDD-Radio.html01:43
DocScrutinizer05(additional birdseed) prolly as low as 3 to 5 components01:49
DocScrutinizer05Linkandzelda: you still around?01:51
DocScrutinizer05Linkandzelda: ~jrtools first 3 plus some paragraphs should get you started01:52
DocScrutinizer05plus, of course:01:53
DocScrutinizer05~flashing01:53
infobotmaemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline01:53
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys flashing01:53
infobotFactoid search of 'flashing' by key (11 of 12): yes. the flashing the bootldr #DEL# ;; maemo-flashing ;; flashing it past during installation ;; #qi-hardware flashing ;; qi-hardware flashing #DEL# ;; #openmoko-cdevel flashing ;; flashing ;; #harmattan flashing ;; flashing-cmdline ;; no. maemo-flashing #DEL# ;; are we sure eflashing.01:53
DocScrutinizer05~flashing-cmdline01:53
infobotflashing-cmdline is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:1201:53
DocScrutinizer05~forget are we sure eflashing01:54
infoboti forgot are we sure eflashing, DocScrutinizer0501:54
* DocScrutinizer05 considers a fiasco that has automatic firstboot HTTP:// download for additional scripts01:56
DocScrutinizer05err combined of course01:57
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azkayI seee02:04
azkayTheres also littlebirdelectronics.com.au/products/grove-fm-receiver but not sure if it's stereo02:05
DocScrutinizer05fist educated guess: http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/File:Grove_-_FM_Receiver_Photo.jpg looks like stereo (3pin) jack02:13
DocScrutinizer05first*02:13
DocScrutinizer05http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/images/7/70/Grove_-_FM_Receiver_v1.0_sch_pdf.pdf confirms that02:14
DocScrutinizer05that's prolly as good as it gets, nice design02:14
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DocScrutinizer05azkay: nice find! :-)02:15
DocScrutinizer05http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/images/d/df/SX6119_%E6%94%B6%E9%9F%B3IC_datasheet.pdf  FFS! :-(02:17
azkayHaha yeah, nice english right? :P02:18
azkayMaybe I should risk it02:18
DocScrutinizer05anyway among all the gibberish: "2.0V to 3.6V"02:20
DocScrutinizer05you definitely should. if you want another source I just found http://digitalmeans.co.uk/shop/fm_receiver-grove02:21
DocScrutinizer05(2V 3V6) means you prolly can even kick out the LDO they got there02:21
DocScrutinizer05just run it from two AAAA or similar, or a CR203202:22
DocScrutinizer05oooh, and /join #qi-hardware02:22
DocScrutinizer05sort of OT in here02:22
DocScrutinizer05and keep pin15 floating ;-)02:24
DocScrutinizer05you'll need an antenna instead of the headphone cable they use in that Grove design02:25
DocScrutinizer05well, actually you could use the wires to other side of your headphones for antenna too02:26
DocScrutinizer05mount the circuit left side, connect the GND wire from right side speaker via a bead to GND02:27
DocScrutinizer05have a sufficiently large GND plane (or wire) connected to circuit ground on left side02:28
DocScrutinizer05actually the Grove antenna circuit is rather pathetic02:29
DocScrutinizer05...given in your earphones' cable, GND and ROUT are parallel and very close together, and GND of earphones is connected to chip's GND without any bead02:30
azkayThanks for all the help :)02:48
azkayYeah I was planning on running an antenna through the top band of the headphones02:49
azkayWent back to my N900 just for the fm transmitter lol02:49
azkayAre you aware of anyone wiring up a different antenna to the n900? From the point here: wiki.maemo.org/images/b/b7/Nokia_N900_rear-internal-Hirose_u.fl_GSM_and_non_Hirose_u.fl_FM_transmitter_antenna_and_test_pads.png02:51
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, been afk03:45
DocScrutinizer05could anybody please help a windows-7 noob how to configure a NIC to 192.168.1.11/48 on that friggin system?03:46
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DocScrutinizer05nevermind05:24
DocScrutinizer05particularly not /48 ;-)05:24
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azkayBaaaaack, until I finish my last two sips of beer06:44
azkayBut then the question is, should I order another beer? Or move to the library with the real internet, and not waste my data06:44
DocScrutinizer05here it's pretty hard to order beer at this time :-)06:48
azkayOh? What's the time? It's 1:48pm here :P06:48
DocScrutinizer05cmd: Mi 13. Apr 05:49:16 CEST 201606:49
azkayYeah, that's a problem :P06:49
DocScrutinizer05different antenna doesn't make too much sense. But connecting USB or headset cable makes much sense since every antenna is a dipole, and the GND half on N900 is actually pretty lame06:51
DocScrutinizer05the question is: what do you want to achive?06:51
azkayI see. More range for the transmitter, I was thinking of replacing the stylus with some sort of antenna06:52
azkayDoesn't seem to want to reach from my pocket to my head as it is06:52
DocScrutinizer05ideally for a better antenna for FMTX you insert a 70cm long thick stiff wire into the stylus slot06:52
azkayBut that could also just be the antenna on the headphones are terrible :P So I'll need to do more testing06:52
azkayI see06:53
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DocScrutinizer05you also can pump up the TX power quite a few dBm06:53
azkayYeah I think I already maxed that06:53
azkayI'll be back in a bit, anyway. Moving to the library so I don't suck up my measley 1.5gb/mo06:54
DocScrutinizer05the chip can do considerably more than what's allowed and implemented in stock maemo06:54
DocScrutinizer05I hardly can suck up 1.5MB/mo with IRC ;-906:54
DocScrutinizer05;-)06:54
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Siceloceene: yappari getting IO error for 'everyone'07:00
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Church-Evening07:20
azkayAfternoon07:29
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KotCzarnyMorning07:48
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VajbSicelo: i get connection closed by server. Or this is same thing?08:33
Church-Anybody feel like doing some compiling? :)08:36
KotCzarnywhat are we, gentoo users?08:36
Church-Hopefully.08:37
SiceloVajb: yes. if you look in your log, you'll see the IO error, followed by connection closed..08:38
SiceloChurch-: compiling what?08:43
Church-Trying to newsbeuter running on the 900. Been having a hell of a time.08:44
Church-to get*08:45
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azkayWhat problem(s) are you having?09:12
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* Oksana wonders where humans' activity is going, if both http://talk.maemo.org and Freenode channels are quite quiet...10:23
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KotCzarnyno issues == perfect device :P10:25
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Wizzuphehe10:27
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WizzupI think maemo is less quiet than it used to be10:27
ceeneSicelo: :(10:33
ceeneeven for me?10:33
ceene:D10:33
ceenei haven't looked at my phone yet10:33
ceeneyep, it's broken10:35
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ceeneand there it is, fixed once again10:48
ceenehttp://www.filedropper.com/showdownload.php/yappari2027armel10:51
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Siceloceene: lol, looks like it broke again :/11:58
Siceloor i'm having network problem? hmm11:58
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bencohor whatsapp is12:22
KotCzarnydefinitely whatsapp12:27
KotCzarnybroken by design12:28
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Vajbworking for me now13:28
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Vajbceene is lightning fast fixer :)13:28
Siceloworked for about 30 minutes for me13:29
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ceenethese are the easy fixes13:47
ceeneit should be working now13:47
ceenethere's gonna be a couple protocol changes13:47
ceeneone is being followed by the guys of chats-api13:47
ceeneso i'd take that from there13:47
ceeneor maybe from yowsupo13:47
ceenes/yowsupo/yowsup13:48
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ceenes/yowsupo/yowsup/13:48
infobotceene meant: s/yowsup/yowsup13:48
ceeneinfobot: can i correct a miswritten sed expression?13:48
ceenes#s/yowsupo/yowsup#s/yowsupo/yowsup/#13:48
ceenes/s/yowsupo/yowsup/s/yowsupo/yowsup//13:48
ceenei don't think you can13:48
ceenes/aa/aa/13:48
Sicelolol.. you'll get the bot crazy13:49
ceenes/aa/bb/13:49
ceenepoor thing13:49
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Sicelomy yappari definitely gone :(13:49
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* Sicelo hops it's not a ban13:49
ceeneoh13:49
ceenebut it shouldn't13:49
Vajbim logged in. Didn't try to chat tho13:49
Sicelo2.0.27 worked for like 30 minutes13:49
ceenei assume you've restarted it?13:50
Sicelothen exact same as before13:50
ceene:/13:50
ceeneand the log says anything new?13:50
ceenei'm logged right now13:50
SiceloThere was an IO error: Connection closed by server.13:51
SiceloConnection closed.13:51
Vajbyup works for me just now13:51
Vajbwell didn't got reply yet but it shows msg went through13:52
ceenewhat if you try to re-register?13:52
Siceloi'll try13:52
ceenei'm afraid you may be banned :/13:52
Siceloah, lol. well, time to bring in my other number then13:52
ceenehow many numbers do you have?13:53
Siceloah yes, i'm blocked.13:54
Siceloregistration log shows13:54
ceenesorry13:54
ceenedon't know why, though13:54
ceenemaybe the insistence on login while you're using an old version13:54
Siceloi have 3 numbers13:54
ceenei only have two :)14:00
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Sicelo:)14:00
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Siceloany yappari user successfully receiving messages from lumia users?14:01
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Siceloyes, i can receive from all android and iphone just fine. but not lumia14:36
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LinkandzeldaDocScrutinizer05: sorry i went to sleep, what is jrtools?14:48
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DocScrutinizer05~jrtools14:59
infobothmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools14:59
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LinkandzeldaDocScrutinizer05: is there an explanation for why that speedpatch doesnt work?15:27
Linkandzelda~speedpatch15:27
infobotsomebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch], or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328060&postcount=3325 [bug report]15:27
KotCzarnyLinkandzelda: two words: placebo effects15:29
KotCzarny~crappatch15:29
infoboti guess speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch], or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328060&postcount=3325 [bug report]15:29
KotCzarnyLinkandzelda: basically to speed up n900 you have 2 options, overclock cpu (not recommended) and increase ram available (not much to do apart from disabling some packages)15:30
KotCzarnyhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Slimming_OS15:30
LinkandzeldaKotCzarny: alright, i'll check that out. thanks15:31
KotCzarnyyou can try some things from here (especially if you dont use particular apps)15:31
Siceloand installing thumb can help to some extent15:31
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Linkandzeldai heard about that thumb, not entirely confident about what it is and if it has any implications15:32
KotCzarnythumb is special cpu mode which results in ~1/2..1/3 smaller apps15:32
KotCzarny~cssu-thumb15:32
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb15:32
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Linkandzeldahow does this bot work? does it learn?15:33
KotCzarnyit's marked as testing, but many people use it without problem15:33
KotCzarnybot just remembers factoids from the channel, also can be taught15:33
Linkandzeldaneat15:35
DocScrutinizer05Linkandzelda: I strongly recommedn to consider thumb only later. It's prolly stable but has some implications regarding kernels to use, restore, etc15:38
DocScrutinizer05you don't want to*start* with thumb right away15:38
DocScrutinizer05~tell Linkandzelda about query15:39
DocScrutinizer05then help15:39
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues cloud-7.de15:40
infobotFactoid search of 'cloud-7.de' by value (16): #maemo bm-images ;; jrrepos ;; bq-calibrate ;; maemo-flashing ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; unplug-usb ;; malf ;; matan ;; bq27k-detail ;; #maemo mhd ;; #maemo dns #DEL# ;; #maemo interim-dns ;; bq27 ;; no. maemo-flashing #DEL# ;; flashing-cmdline #DEL# ;; #maemo wiki-backup.15:40
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DocScrutinizer05~aegis-no-thanks15:41
infobotaegis-no-thanks is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1178281#post117828115:41
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DocScrutinizer05~mhd15:42
infobotrumour has it, mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html DO NOT INSTALL MHD when you have CSSU!! the CSSU version is more recent!15:42
KotCzarnyLinkandzelda: definitely you want some version of cssu15:43
KotCzarny(better everything)15:43
Linkandzeldai have cssu testing i think15:43
KotCzarnyespecially desktop and app manager15:43
DocScrutinizer05open systemsettings15:44
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DocScrutinizer05there you got §About CSSU"15:44
DocScrutinizer05~s/§/"/15:44
Linkandzeldaversion: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1115:45
Linkandzeldaflavor: testing15:45
DocScrutinizer05ok15:45
DocScrutinizer05you *want* simple brightness applet15:47
DocScrutinizer05and15:47
DocScrutinizer05~bm15:47
infobotrumour has it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6397515:47
Linkandzeldastrange, im in HAM looking for rootsh. cant find it under system section15:48
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DocScrutinizer05try "all"15:50
DocScrutinizer05you know you can search simply by typing text?15:50
Linkandzeldai did not know that, thanks15:51
DocScrutinizer05:-)15:51
Linkandzeldai searched "root" and it came back with sudser?15:51
KotCzarnymagic15:51
KotCzarny:)15:51
Linkandzeldathats what i want? its not named "rootsh" so im not sure15:51
DocScrutinizer05same works on "desktop" for contacts (char) or phonenumbers (digit)15:51
KotCzarnynope, it's rootsh15:52
DocScrutinizer05no, sudser is crap15:52
DocScrutinizer05you got maemo repos?15:52
Linkandzeldaok, then i really dont have rootsh in my list15:52
DocScrutinizer05err replacements for nokia repos15:52
DocScrutinizer05maybe you already installed it? ;-)15:52
Linkandzeldai have maemo.org, community ssu, community ssu (testing), then 3 mirrors from maemo repos (nokia apps, ovi, ssu)15:53
Linkandzeldaand right, i did a lot of stuff last night so maybe i did15:53
Linkandzeldayes, i installed it.. now im an idiot15:53
DocScrutinizer05open a xterm (ctrl-shift-X) and type "root"15:53
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DocScrutinizer05no worries, I bet everybody did exactly same thing once15:54
DocScrutinizer05:-)15:54
Siceloapt-get remove --purge idiot :)15:54
KotCzarnymost apps are in extras and extras-devel nowadays15:54
DocScrutinizer05apt-get moo15:55
DocScrutinizer05~moo15:55
infobotmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.15:55
Linkandzeldagreat15:55
LinkandzeldaKotCzarny: so its ok for me to switch to extras devel?15:55
KotCzarnywith care15:56
Linkandzeldaand what about extras testing, more stuff there?15:56
KotCzarnyextras-devel is unchecked, anyone can upload anything15:56
DocScrutinizer05Linkandzelda: you should only temporarily for installing a particular package, then immediately disable it again15:56
DocScrutinizer05no, you don't need testing15:56
Linkandzeldai see15:56
KotCzarnybut has most recent versions usually15:56
DocScrutinizer05testing is a subset of devel15:56
Linkandzeldaok, well i have no idea whats on there and if i need anything from there yet15:57
DocScrutinizer05~pkgs15:57
infobotfrom memory, #maemo pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/15:57
Linkandzeldathanks15:57
DocScrutinizer05yw :-)15:57
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KotCzarnyidea was to have extras-devel (where devs upload often and early), then they promote package version to -testing (which is meant for testing staff) then testing staff vote package to normal extras for general audience15:58
KotCzarnybut due to lack of testing staff whole idea fails flat and devs often say 'f*ck it, you want package, just grab it from -devel'15:58
Linkandzeldai see15:58
DocScrutinizer05first of all: watch out and treat your USB jack gently and with extreme care15:59
Linkandzeldathat would suck if it broke, im usually really careful but at night i tend to fumble it in heh15:59
KotCzarny:)16:00
KotCzarnyuse backupmenu16:00
DocScrutinizer05don't pull the plug out but rather 'squeeze' it out with thumb and digit finger against the walls of case16:00
KotCzarnyyou can use it as restorepoints16:00
DocScrutinizer05fumbling in is no problem usually16:00
DocScrutinizer05~ping16:01
infobot~pong16:01
Linkandzeldawhen i got this n900 off ebay yesterday it was running pwnieexpress, and it had backup menu installed. i took a backup, then tried to restore to a backup that came from this phone from 2011. but it resulted in killing backupmenu and the phone boot looped16:01
LinkandzeldaDocScrutinizer05: i'll take that into consideration, is it a common flaw for usb ports to bust?16:02
KotCzarnymaybe kernel incompability16:02
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it probably already confronted you with thumb kernel fun16:02
DocScrutinizer05~usbfix16:02
infobotmethinks usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt16:02
DocScrutinizer05yes16:02
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Linkandzeldacome to think of it i installed kernelpower last night and havent rebooted yet16:02
DocScrutinizer05hmm, installing kernel will reboot afaik16:03
DocScrutinizer05uname -a16:03
DocScrutinizer05;-)16:03
DocScrutinizer05it's linux ;-D16:03
Linkandzeldasays power, so yep seems to have done it already while i didnt notice16:03
Linkandzeldaand yes, linux ftw. i need to get weechat installed somehow16:04
DocScrutinizer05you prolly also want openssh16:04
KotCzarnyLinkandzelda: you might try debian packages from lenny (has to be ~glibc-2.5)16:05
DocScrutinizer05it's extremely conevnient to access terminal on N900 from your PC, via WLAN. Or even browse the complete filesystem with e.g. konqueror sftp://IP-of-your-N90016:05
KotCzarnybut check extras-devel first16:05
DocScrutinizer05I also wouldn't want to miss bash16:06
DocScrutinizer05~messybox16:06
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils16:06
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DocScrutinizer05if you're a tiny bit into linux already, you might want syslogd16:07
DocScrutinizer05it ofen helps you out of a "what the heck is going on on N900 now" situations16:08
DocScrutinizer05often even16:08
DocScrutinizer05fun: LED pattern editor16:09
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Linkandzeldai installed last night an ssh applet which let me turn ssh on and off16:09
Linkandzeldai didnt try SSHing into it yet16:09
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DocScrutinizer05useful: edit the shutdown light so it doesn't go to completely off, so you see when the device *really* shuts off after you pressed power button16:09
Linkandzeldaoh yea that was a pain, i thought it died for a couiple of seconds there16:10
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, switching ssh on and off isn't too useful16:10
DocScrutinizer05proper config of sshd is, though. Only allow root login with root password/sshkey, and block user 'user' login16:11
* Sicelo has the opposite16:12
DocScrutinizer05prolly works too16:13
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Linkandzeldamy ssh best practices are to never allow root login, and only allow user login. if root is needed i sudo or su directly after logging in as a normal user16:13
DocScrutinizer05well16:13
DocScrutinizer05user "user" usually has no password set, while root always has a password set when you install openssh16:14
ceenei had a server of mine being hacked because someone got access to my non privileged user16:14
ceeneand made a 'su' script replacement16:14
ceenewhich captured root password16:14
ceeneso in the end i'd rather login directly as root16:14
KotCzarnyLinkandzelda: but seriously, most (all?) gsm companies do NAT by default16:14
DocScrutinizer05:nod: for sure on N90016:15
KotCzarnywhich means you can only login to your n900 via wifi16:15
DocScrutinizer05also fix sudoers:16:15
DocScrutinizer05~jrtools16:15
infobotjrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools16:15
ceeneKotCzarny: here in spain, there's at least one company which lets you choose wether you want a public ip address or nat16:15
ceeneyou choose gprs.pepephone.com or gprsmov.pepephone.com16:15
ceenemost others just route you through nat, though16:16
SiceloKotCzarny: my gsm allows incoming connections by default (i was surprised to find this)16:16
ceenetheir recommendation for mobiles phones is to use nat, because it reduces data consumption16:16
KotCzarnylucky you16:16
LinkandzeldaKotCzarny: if i ever login to a wifi ap that isnt mine, i'll turn ssh off usually. but you made me think, is it possible to have a dynamic dns address to access the n900 over its gsm network outside of wifi?16:16
KotCzarnyno choice here16:16
ceenenot because nat reduces data consumption on itself16:16
DocScrutinizer05N900 exposed to internet (no NAT) is a very bad thing since your GPRS data TX is eating battery for each inbound ping (or anything else), even when all ports on device are closed16:17
ceenebut because it avoids receiving port maps, ssh brute force attacks, etc16:17
ceeneso in the end you receive less data, your battery lasts more and you spend less money on non desired data16:17
SiceloDocScrutinizer05: i just looked at my LED patters .. what is "DeviceSoftOff"?16:17
DocScrutinizer05err, charhing basically16:17
Linkandzeldaceene: that sounds like an ugly hack!16:17
ceeneit is what it is16:17
ceeneit's a fact, more than a hack16:17
SiceloDocScrutinizer05: there's different patter for charging16:18
Sicelo*pattern16:18
DocScrutinizer05no, not charging while up but charging "act_dead"16:18
DocScrutinizer05afaik at least16:18
Sicelookay16:18
DocScrutinizer05iirc "soft-off" == "act_dead"16:19
Linkandzeldamy mobile ISP gives me limited data, so i expect they dont allow inbound connections by default16:19
Linkandzeldabut im not sure, never tried16:19
KotCzarnymost likely that's the case16:19
DocScrutinizer05hard to actually check16:20
KotCzarnyyou can try ssh'ing from n900 to some shell (to get external ip) then sshing back from that shell16:20
DocScrutinizer05ping your PC's public IP from N900 via GPRS, then run a NMAP against that N900 IP addr from PC16:20
DocScrutinizer05nmap16:21
DocScrutinizer05or do a ping -f while checking power consumption (ideally via bq27200.sh)16:21
Siceloif you have public ip, it should be right on gprs0, so you can find it directly with  'ip a sh gprs0'16:22
Linkandzeldaim setting a wifi static ip now so i remember the ip16:22
DocScrutinizer05if the pings reach your N900 the TX of modem will eat lots of power16:22
KotCzarnysicelo: isp might assign internal ip, yet do snat anyway16:22
Linkandzeldai dont have a sim right now so i cant try any of that16:22
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: you still could suffer IP mapping NAT16:22
DocScrutinizer05dang, rain outside :´(16:23
* DocScrutinizer05 planned to test a few motorbike / scooter things16:25
Linkandzeldais there any way i can slow down the timeout of long pressing keys to get to thier fn equivalent? or a way to toggle fn on and off16:25
ceenethat can be disabled somewhere in the settings app16:25
DocScrutinizer05~jrtools16:25
infobothmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools16:25
KotCzarnyyes, you can disable long-press16:26
KotCzarny(but removing input method altogether ;)16:26
Linkandzeldaim half way reading that jrtools page16:26
DocScrutinizer05holler if you find anything non-convenient or incorrect16:26
KotCzarnyahm, you dont want to disable it, just making it faster16:26
Linkandzeldaand i didnt want to disable, i wanted ot make it shorter so i hold for less time. not sure if thaty would actually make things worse or better16:26
DocScrutinizer05ooh, shorter. You said longer16:27
DocScrutinizer05there's a key in gconf for sure16:27
Linkandzeldasorry, i said slow down, you're right. i meant speed up. but in this sense "slow down the timeout" i meant as in, make the timeout less... my communication skills fail me16:27
Linkandzeldaany way to check all keys in gconf? never used gconf before16:28
KotCzarnyi think there was a crude gui for gconf16:29
KotCzarnygconf-editor maybe16:29
Sicelogconftool -R / .. the list is very long .. so you may want to pipe output to less16:29
Sicelogconftool-2 -R / actually16:30
DocScrutinizer05gconftool -R /apps/osso/inputmethod|less +"/ext_kb_long_press_timeout"16:31
DocScrutinizer05sorry, had to find it first :-)16:31
Linkandzeldai was planning to grep for timeout and would have probably found it as well lol16:31
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