| Linkandzelda | is there like a 2015/2016 guide to the n900 with all current stuff in it that i can follow so i make no mistakes? | 00:00 |
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| Sicelo | tbh, i use apt 99% of the time, but, i am not saying you should | 00:00 |
| Linkandzelda | i would, but right now i just wanted an easy way to get the name and description of all available packages so i get what looks interesting | 00:03 |
| Sicelo | apt-cache search quicker for that, and absolutely safe, of course | 00:04 |
| Linkandzelda | guess i'll check out speedyham, failing that apt-cache | 00:05 |
| Linkandzelda | ~speedyHAM | 00:05 |
| infobot | SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb. SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU-testing now | 00:05 |
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| Linkandzelda | is there a place i can read all commands this bot offers? | 00:05 |
| Sicelo | dunno :) | 00:08 |
| Sicelo | ap-cache search will be faster than any gui package manager fwiw | 00:09 |
| Sicelo | *apt | 00:09 |
| Sicelo | Linkandzelda: there's the wiki to help you with current know working stuff .. but as you can realize .. commuinity effort, and some stuff therefore may not be always up to date there. asking here on IRC or tmo will usually result in quick responses, depending on time of day | 00:11 |
| Sicelo | and our greatest devs also can be found at both places | 00:11 |
| Linkandzelda | sweet | 00:12 |
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| Linkandzelda | Sicelo: are you a dev? | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell Linkandzelda about jrtools | 01:02 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~listkeys #maemo | 01:20 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo' by key (15 of 104): #maemo beasttweaks ;; #maemo bm-images ;; #maemo bme-replacement ;; #maemo closed ;; #maemo cssu-state ;; #maemo db ;; #maemo debhelper7 ;; #maemo donate ;; #maemo emmc2 ;; #maemo emmc3 ;; #maemo gmo ;; #maemo mcebug ;; #maemo mhd ;; #maemo microb-proxy ;; #maemo mirrors. | 01:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I doubt random factoids will help | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help | 01:21 |
| infobot | I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?" | 01:21 |
| infobot | 37 topics: action, addressing, alternation, author, banadd, bandel, botmail, chanadd, chandel, chaninfo, chanset, chanunset, chattr, chnick, chpass, contents, convert, cookie, corrections, cpustats, crypt, cycle, dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dice, dict, dns, do, dollar variables, dstats, factinfo, factstats, flags, forget, freshmeat | 01:21 |
| infobot | 39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostadd, hostdel, httpdtype, identify, ignore, ircstats, join, karma, kernel, kick, lart, lc, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lobotomy, lock, main, math, md5, mode, news, news add, news del, news mod, news set, news set expire, nickometer, onjoin, ord, page, part, piglatin, quote, redirection | 01:21 |
| infobot | 33 topics: rename, reply, reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen, slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic mod, topic mv, topic restore, translate, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock, upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, verstats, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~searchvalues maemo.org | 01:22 |
| ds3 | y is at http:/// | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues maemo.org | 01:22 |
| ds3 | where can i find y? | 01:22 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'maemo.org' by value (18 of 198): #maemo bnf ;; #maemo cherry ;; #maemo power ;; #maemo uboot ;; #maemo vkbd-portrait ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; arch-n900 ;; becomeroot ;; bme ;; boot-sd ;; bq-calibrate ;; bupbat ;; cssu-devel ;; extras-product ;; extras-upload ;; hildon-extras ;; jrtools ;; maemo-packaging. | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~where is y | 01:22 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: what are you talking about? | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~y | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys y | 01:22 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'y' by key (13 of 9246): (well everyone ;; babelfish x to de: today ;; btw., the man pages are the only documentation, or ;; country .bv ;; country bouvet island ;; country kenya ;; country vanuatu ;; diary.py ;; ebonify "my kung fu ;; gyahtzee ;; haha you ;; linux intrusion detection system ;; only does it when s/. | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys ^y$ | 01:23 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '^y$' by key returned no results. | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~y is blabla | 01:23 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys ^y$ | 01:23 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '^y$' by key (1): y. | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~y | 01:23 |
| infobot | i heard y is blabla | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget y | 01:23 |
| infobot | i forgot y, DocScrutinizer05 | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 01:24 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: thanks | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget (well everyone | 01:25 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot (well everyone | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget babelfish x to de: today | 01:25 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot babelfish x to de: today | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget btw., the man pages are the only documentation, or | 01:26 |
| infobot | i forgot btw., the man pages are the only documentation, or, DocScrutinizer05 | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal haha you | 01:26 |
| * infobot beats you about the head with the ha ha bat | 01:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal only does it when s/ | 01:27 |
| infobot | "only does it when s/" is "the first of the line?" | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lforget only does it when s/ | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget only does it when s/ | 01:27 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot only does it when s/ | 01:27 |
| azkay | ecc3g: Those kits are still too big, I need something that'll fit in headphones | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like hardware | 01:28 |
| Sicelo | Linkandzelda: no, no dev. just hopeless user | 01:29 |
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| azkay | Yeah I'm trying to find a small fm stereo receiver with analog volume that I don't need a microcontroller to use :P | 01:30 |
| azkay | They're more uncommon than I thought | 01:30 |
| azkay | I think I'll just have to get a tiny microcontroller and get one of the controlled ones | 01:30 |
| azkay | maybe sparkfun.com/products/retired/8770 + adafruit.com/products/1500 | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why don't you slaughter a cheesy tiny FM radio? | 01:32 |
| azkay | Haven't found one small enough | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are as small as a quarter of a matchbox | 01:32 |
| azkay | I had a pair of cheapo chinese FM headphones, took the receiver out of those but they were still too big | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually only know of I2C controlled chips, but that doesn't mean a thing, never searched for all-in-one chips | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet there must be chips that have 4 lines for pushbuttons: freq+/- and vol+/- | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | van't be larger than 6mm^2 | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't, even | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need some additional birdseed | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FFS, digikey gives me error infinite redirect | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://search.silabs.com/search?q=FM%20receiver&site=english&client=silabs&proxystylesheet=silabs | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | azkay: ^^^ | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might find a few useful chips there | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://pages.silabs.com/LP-ATDD-Radio.html | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (additional birdseed) prolly as low as 3 to 5 components | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: you still around? | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: ~jrtools first 3 plus some paragraphs should get you started | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus, of course: | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 01:53 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys flashing | 01:53 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'flashing' by key (11 of 12): yes. the flashing the bootldr #DEL# ;; maemo-flashing ;; flashing it past during installation ;; #qi-hardware flashing ;; qi-hardware flashing #DEL# ;; #openmoko-cdevel flashing ;; flashing ;; #harmattan flashing ;; flashing-cmdline ;; no. maemo-flashing #DEL# ;; are we sure eflashing. | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing-cmdline | 01:53 |
| infobot | flashing-cmdline is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12 | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget are we sure eflashing | 01:54 |
| infobot | i forgot are we sure eflashing, DocScrutinizer05 | 01:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 considers a fiasco that has automatic firstboot HTTP:// download for additional scripts | 01:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err combined of course | 01:57 |
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| azkay | I seee | 02:04 |
| azkay | Theres also littlebirdelectronics.com.au/products/grove-fm-receiver but not sure if it's stereo | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fist educated guess: http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/File:Grove_-_FM_Receiver_Photo.jpg looks like stereo (3pin) jack | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first* | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/images/7/70/Grove_-_FM_Receiver_v1.0_sch_pdf.pdf confirms that | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's prolly as good as it gets, nice design | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | azkay: nice find! :-) | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/images/d/df/SX6119_%E6%94%B6%E9%9F%B3IC_datasheet.pdf FFS! :-( | 02:17 |
| azkay | Haha yeah, nice english right? :P | 02:18 |
| azkay | Maybe I should risk it | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway among all the gibberish: "2.0V to 3.6V" | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you definitely should. if you want another source I just found http://digitalmeans.co.uk/shop/fm_receiver-grove | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (2V 3V6) means you prolly can even kick out the LDO they got there | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just run it from two AAAA or similar, or a CR2032 | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, and /join #qi-hardware | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sort of OT in here | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and keep pin15 floating ;-) | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need an antenna instead of the headphone cable they use in that Grove design | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually you could use the wires to other side of your headphones for antenna too | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mount the circuit left side, connect the GND wire from right side speaker via a bead to GND | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | have a sufficiently large GND plane (or wire) connected to circuit ground on left side | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the Grove antenna circuit is rather pathetic | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...given in your earphones' cable, GND and ROUT are parallel and very close together, and GND of earphones is connected to chip's GND without any bead | 02:30 |
| azkay | Thanks for all the help :) | 02:48 |
| azkay | Yeah I was planning on running an antenna through the top band of the headphones | 02:49 |
| azkay | Went back to my N900 just for the fm transmitter lol | 02:49 |
| azkay | Are you aware of anyone wiring up a different antenna to the n900? From the point here: wiki.maemo.org/images/b/b7/Nokia_N900_rear-internal-Hirose_u.fl_GSM_and_non_Hirose_u.fl_FM_transmitter_antenna_and_test_pads.png | 02:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, been afk | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could anybody please help a windows-7 noob how to configure a NIC to 192.168.1.11/48 on that friggin system? | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly not /48 ;-) | 05:24 |
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| azkay | Baaaaack, until I finish my last two sips of beer | 06:44 |
| azkay | But then the question is, should I order another beer? Or move to the library with the real internet, and not waste my data | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here it's pretty hard to order beer at this time :-) | 06:48 |
| azkay | Oh? What's the time? It's 1:48pm here :P | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cmd: Mi 13. Apr 05:49:16 CEST 2016 | 06:49 |
| azkay | Yeah, that's a problem :P | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | different antenna doesn't make too much sense. But connecting USB or headset cable makes much sense since every antenna is a dipole, and the GND half on N900 is actually pretty lame | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the question is: what do you want to achive? | 06:51 |
| azkay | I see. More range for the transmitter, I was thinking of replacing the stylus with some sort of antenna | 06:52 |
| azkay | Doesn't seem to want to reach from my pocket to my head as it is | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ideally for a better antenna for FMTX you insert a 70cm long thick stiff wire into the stylus slot | 06:52 |
| azkay | But that could also just be the antenna on the headphones are terrible :P So I'll need to do more testing | 06:52 |
| azkay | I see | 06:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you also can pump up the TX power quite a few dBm | 06:53 |
| azkay | Yeah I think I already maxed that | 06:53 |
| azkay | I'll be back in a bit, anyway. Moving to the library so I don't suck up my measley 1.5gb/mo | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the chip can do considerably more than what's allowed and implemented in stock maemo | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hardly can suck up 1.5MB/mo with IRC ;-9 | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 06:54 |
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| Sicelo | ceene: yappari getting IO error for 'everyone' | 07:00 |
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| Church- | Evening | 07:20 |
| azkay | Afternoon | 07:29 |
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| KotCzarny | Morning | 07:48 |
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| Vajb | Sicelo: i get connection closed by server. Or this is same thing? | 08:33 |
| Church- | Anybody feel like doing some compiling? :) | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | what are we, gentoo users? | 08:36 |
| Church- | Hopefully. | 08:37 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: yes. if you look in your log, you'll see the IO error, followed by connection closed.. | 08:38 |
| Sicelo | Church-: compiling what? | 08:43 |
| Church- | Trying to newsbeuter running on the 900. Been having a hell of a time. | 08:44 |
| Church- | to get* | 08:45 |
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| azkay | What problem(s) are you having? | 09:12 |
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| * Oksana wonders where humans' activity is going, if both http://talk.maemo.org and Freenode channels are quite quiet... | 10:23 | |
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| KotCzarny | no issues == perfect device :P | 10:25 |
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| Wizzup | hehe | 10:27 |
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| Wizzup | I think maemo is less quiet than it used to be | 10:27 |
| ceene | Sicelo: :( | 10:33 |
| ceene | even for me? | 10:33 |
| ceene | :D | 10:33 |
| ceene | i haven't looked at my phone yet | 10:33 |
| ceene | yep, it's broken | 10:35 |
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| ceene | and there it is, fixed once again | 10:48 |
| ceene | http://www.filedropper.com/showdownload.php/yappari2027armel | 10:51 |
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| Sicelo | ceene: lol, looks like it broke again :/ | 11:58 |
| Sicelo | or i'm having network problem? hmm | 11:58 |
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| bencoh | or whatsapp is | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | definitely whatsapp | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | broken by design | 12:28 |
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| Vajb | working for me now | 13:28 |
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| Vajb | ceene is lightning fast fixer :) | 13:28 |
| Sicelo | worked for about 30 minutes for me | 13:29 |
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| ceene | these are the easy fixes | 13:47 |
| ceene | it should be working now | 13:47 |
| ceene | there's gonna be a couple protocol changes | 13:47 |
| ceene | one is being followed by the guys of chats-api | 13:47 |
| ceene | so i'd take that from there | 13:47 |
| ceene | or maybe from yowsupo | 13:47 |
| ceene | s/yowsupo/yowsup | 13:48 |
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| ceene | s/yowsupo/yowsup/ | 13:48 |
| infobot | ceene meant: s/yowsup/yowsup | 13:48 |
| ceene | infobot: can i correct a miswritten sed expression? | 13:48 |
| ceene | s#s/yowsupo/yowsup#s/yowsupo/yowsup/# | 13:48 |
| ceene | s/s/yowsupo/yowsup/s/yowsupo/yowsup// | 13:48 |
| ceene | i don't think you can | 13:48 |
| ceene | s/aa/aa/ | 13:48 |
| Sicelo | lol.. you'll get the bot crazy | 13:49 |
| ceene | s/aa/bb/ | 13:49 |
| ceene | poor thing | 13:49 |
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| Sicelo | my yappari definitely gone :( | 13:49 |
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| * Sicelo hops it's not a ban | 13:49 | |
| ceene | oh | 13:49 |
| ceene | but it shouldn't | 13:49 |
| Vajb | im logged in. Didn't try to chat tho | 13:49 |
| Sicelo | 2.0.27 worked for like 30 minutes | 13:49 |
| ceene | i assume you've restarted it? | 13:50 |
| Sicelo | then exact same as before | 13:50 |
| ceene | :/ | 13:50 |
| ceene | and the log says anything new? | 13:50 |
| ceene | i'm logged right now | 13:50 |
| Sicelo | There was an IO error: Connection closed by server. | 13:51 |
| Sicelo | Connection closed. | 13:51 |
| Vajb | yup works for me just now | 13:51 |
| Vajb | well didn't got reply yet but it shows msg went through | 13:52 |
| ceene | what if you try to re-register? | 13:52 |
| Sicelo | i'll try | 13:52 |
| ceene | i'm afraid you may be banned :/ | 13:52 |
| Sicelo | ah, lol. well, time to bring in my other number then | 13:52 |
| ceene | how many numbers do you have? | 13:53 |
| Sicelo | ah yes, i'm blocked. | 13:54 |
| Sicelo | registration log shows | 13:54 |
| ceene | sorry | 13:54 |
| ceene | don't know why, though | 13:54 |
| ceene | maybe the insistence on login while you're using an old version | 13:54 |
| Sicelo | i have 3 numbers | 13:54 |
| ceene | i only have two :) | 14:00 |
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| Sicelo | :) | 14:00 |
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| Sicelo | any yappari user successfully receiving messages from lumia users? | 14:01 |
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| Sicelo | yes, i can receive from all android and iphone just fine. but not lumia | 14:36 |
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| Linkandzelda | DocScrutinizer05: sorry i went to sleep, what is jrtools? | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 14:59 |
| infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 14:59 |
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| Linkandzelda | DocScrutinizer05: is there an explanation for why that speedpatch doesnt work? | 15:27 |
| Linkandzelda | ~speedpatch | 15:27 |
| infobot | somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch], or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328060&postcount=3325 [bug report] | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | Linkandzelda: two words: placebo effects | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | ~crappatch | 15:29 |
| infobot | i guess speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch], or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328060&postcount=3325 [bug report] | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | Linkandzelda: basically to speed up n900 you have 2 options, overclock cpu (not recommended) and increase ram available (not much to do apart from disabling some packages) | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Slimming_OS | 15:30 |
| Linkandzelda | KotCzarny: alright, i'll check that out. thanks | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | you can try some things from here (especially if you dont use particular apps) | 15:31 |
| Sicelo | and installing thumb can help to some extent | 15:31 |
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| Linkandzelda | i heard about that thumb, not entirely confident about what it is and if it has any implications | 15:32 |
| KotCzarny | thumb is special cpu mode which results in ~1/2..1/3 smaller apps | 15:32 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu-thumb | 15:32 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb | 15:32 |
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| Linkandzelda | how does this bot work? does it learn? | 15:33 |
| KotCzarny | it's marked as testing, but many people use it without problem | 15:33 |
| KotCzarny | bot just remembers factoids from the channel, also can be taught | 15:33 |
| Linkandzelda | neat | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: I strongly recommedn to consider thumb only later. It's prolly stable but has some implications regarding kernels to use, restore, etc | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want to*start* with thumb right away | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell Linkandzelda about query | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then help | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues cloud-7.de | 15:40 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'cloud-7.de' by value (16): #maemo bm-images ;; jrrepos ;; bq-calibrate ;; maemo-flashing ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; unplug-usb ;; malf ;; matan ;; bq27k-detail ;; #maemo mhd ;; #maemo dns #DEL# ;; #maemo interim-dns ;; bq27 ;; no. maemo-flashing #DEL# ;; flashing-cmdline #DEL# ;; #maemo wiki-backup. | 15:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis-no-thanks | 15:41 |
| infobot | aegis-no-thanks is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1178281#post1178281 | 15:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mhd | 15:42 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html DO NOT INSTALL MHD when you have CSSU!! the CSSU version is more recent! | 15:42 |
| KotCzarny | Linkandzelda: definitely you want some version of cssu | 15:43 |
| KotCzarny | (better everything) | 15:43 |
| Linkandzelda | i have cssu testing i think | 15:43 |
| KotCzarny | especially desktop and app manager | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | open systemsettings | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there you got ยงAbout CSSU" | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~s/ยง/"/ | 15:44 |
| Linkandzelda | version: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 | 15:45 |
| Linkandzelda | flavor: testing | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *want* simple brightness applet | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 15:47 |
| infobot | rumour has it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 15:47 |
| Linkandzelda | strange, im in HAM looking for rootsh. cant find it under system section | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | try "all" | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know you can search simply by typing text? | 15:50 |
| Linkandzelda | i did not know that, thanks | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 15:51 |
| Linkandzelda | i searched "root" and it came back with sudser? | 15:51 |
| KotCzarny | magic | 15:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:51 |
| Linkandzelda | thats what i want? its not named "rootsh" so im not sure | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same works on "desktop" for contacts (char) or phonenumbers (digit) | 15:51 |
| KotCzarny | nope, it's rootsh | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, sudser is crap | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got maemo repos? | 15:52 |
| Linkandzelda | ok, then i really dont have rootsh in my list | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err replacements for nokia repos | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you already installed it? ;-) | 15:52 |
| Linkandzelda | i have maemo.org, community ssu, community ssu (testing), then 3 mirrors from maemo repos (nokia apps, ovi, ssu) | 15:53 |
| Linkandzelda | and right, i did a lot of stuff last night so maybe i did | 15:53 |
| Linkandzelda | yes, i installed it.. now im an idiot | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | open a xterm (ctrl-shift-X) and type "root" | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no worries, I bet everybody did exactly same thing once | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 15:54 |
| Sicelo | apt-get remove --purge idiot :) | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | most apps are in extras and extras-devel nowadays | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get moo | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~moo | 15:55 |
| infobot | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. | 15:55 |
| Linkandzelda | great | 15:55 |
| Linkandzelda | KotCzarny: so its ok for me to switch to extras devel? | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | with care | 15:56 |
| Linkandzelda | and what about extras testing, more stuff there? | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | extras-devel is unchecked, anyone can upload anything | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: you should only temporarily for installing a particular package, then immediately disable it again | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you don't need testing | 15:56 |
| Linkandzelda | i see | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | but has most recent versions usually | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | testing is a subset of devel | 15:56 |
| Linkandzelda | ok, well i have no idea whats on there and if i need anything from there yet | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkgs | 15:57 |
| infobot | from memory, #maemo pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 15:57 |
| Linkandzelda | thanks | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) | 15:57 |
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| KotCzarny | idea was to have extras-devel (where devs upload often and early), then they promote package version to -testing (which is meant for testing staff) then testing staff vote package to normal extras for general audience | 15:58 |
| KotCzarny | but due to lack of testing staff whole idea fails flat and devs often say 'f*ck it, you want package, just grab it from -devel' | 15:58 |
| Linkandzelda | i see | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first of all: watch out and treat your USB jack gently and with extreme care | 15:59 |
| Linkandzelda | that would suck if it broke, im usually really careful but at night i tend to fumble it in heh | 15:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:00 |
| KotCzarny | use backupmenu | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't pull the plug out but rather 'squeeze' it out with thumb and digit finger against the walls of case | 16:00 |
| KotCzarny | you can use it as restorepoints | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fumbling in is no problem usually | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 16:01 |
| infobot | ~pong | 16:01 |
| Linkandzelda | when i got this n900 off ebay yesterday it was running pwnieexpress, and it had backup menu installed. i took a backup, then tried to restore to a backup that came from this phone from 2011. but it resulted in killing backupmenu and the phone boot looped | 16:01 |
| Linkandzelda | DocScrutinizer05: i'll take that into consideration, is it a common flaw for usb ports to bust? | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | maybe kernel incompability | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it probably already confronted you with thumb kernel fun | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix | 16:02 |
| infobot | methinks usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 16:02 |
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| Linkandzelda | come to think of it i installed kernelpower last night and havent rebooted yet | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, installing kernel will reboot afaik | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uname -a | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's linux ;-D | 16:03 |
| Linkandzelda | says power, so yep seems to have done it already while i didnt notice | 16:03 |
| Linkandzelda | and yes, linux ftw. i need to get weechat installed somehow | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you prolly also want openssh | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | Linkandzelda: you might try debian packages from lenny (has to be ~glibc-2.5) | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's extremely conevnient to access terminal on N900 from your PC, via WLAN. Or even browse the complete filesystem with e.g. konqueror sftp://IP-of-your-N900 | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | but check extras-devel first | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also wouldn't want to miss bash | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox | 16:06 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you're a tiny bit into linux already, you might want syslogd | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it ofen helps you out of a "what the heck is going on on N900 now" situations | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | often even | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fun: LED pattern editor | 16:09 |
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| Linkandzelda | i installed last night an ssh applet which let me turn ssh on and off | 16:09 |
| Linkandzelda | i didnt try SSHing into it yet | 16:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | useful: edit the shutdown light so it doesn't go to completely off, so you see when the device *really* shuts off after you pressed power button | 16:09 |
| Linkandzelda | oh yea that was a pain, i thought it died for a couiple of seconds there | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, switching ssh on and off isn't too useful | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | proper config of sshd is, though. Only allow root login with root password/sshkey, and block user 'user' login | 16:11 |
| * Sicelo has the opposite | 16:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly works too | 16:13 |
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| Linkandzelda | my ssh best practices are to never allow root login, and only allow user login. if root is needed i sudo or su directly after logging in as a normal user | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | user "user" usually has no password set, while root always has a password set when you install openssh | 16:14 |
| ceene | i had a server of mine being hacked because someone got access to my non privileged user | 16:14 |
| ceene | and made a 'su' script replacement | 16:14 |
| ceene | which captured root password | 16:14 |
| ceene | so in the end i'd rather login directly as root | 16:14 |
| KotCzarny | Linkandzelda: but seriously, most (all?) gsm companies do NAT by default | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: for sure on N900 | 16:15 |
| KotCzarny | which means you can only login to your n900 via wifi | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also fix sudoers: | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 16:15 |
| infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 16:15 |
| ceene | KotCzarny: here in spain, there's at least one company which lets you choose wether you want a public ip address or nat | 16:15 |
| ceene | you choose gprs.pepephone.com or gprsmov.pepephone.com | 16:15 |
| ceene | most others just route you through nat, though | 16:16 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: my gsm allows incoming connections by default (i was surprised to find this) | 16:16 |
| ceene | their recommendation for mobiles phones is to use nat, because it reduces data consumption | 16:16 |
| KotCzarny | lucky you | 16:16 |
| Linkandzelda | KotCzarny: if i ever login to a wifi ap that isnt mine, i'll turn ssh off usually. but you made me think, is it possible to have a dynamic dns address to access the n900 over its gsm network outside of wifi? | 16:16 |
| KotCzarny | no choice here | 16:16 |
| ceene | not because nat reduces data consumption on itself | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 exposed to internet (no NAT) is a very bad thing since your GPRS data TX is eating battery for each inbound ping (or anything else), even when all ports on device are closed | 16:17 |
| ceene | but because it avoids receiving port maps, ssh brute force attacks, etc | 16:17 |
| ceene | so in the end you receive less data, your battery lasts more and you spend less money on non desired data | 16:17 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: i just looked at my LED patters .. what is "DeviceSoftOff"? | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, charhing basically | 16:17 |
| Linkandzelda | ceene: that sounds like an ugly hack! | 16:17 |
| ceene | it is what it is | 16:17 |
| ceene | it's a fact, more than a hack | 16:17 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: there's different patter for charging | 16:18 |
| Sicelo | *pattern | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, not charging while up but charging "act_dead" | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik at least | 16:18 |
| Sicelo | okay | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc "soft-off" == "act_dead" | 16:19 |
| Linkandzelda | my mobile ISP gives me limited data, so i expect they dont allow inbound connections by default | 16:19 |
| Linkandzelda | but im not sure, never tried | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | most likely that's the case | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hard to actually check | 16:20 |
| KotCzarny | you can try ssh'ing from n900 to some shell (to get external ip) then sshing back from that shell | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ping your PC's public IP from N900 via GPRS, then run a NMAP against that N900 IP addr from PC | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nmap | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or do a ping -f while checking power consumption (ideally via bq27200.sh) | 16:21 |
| Sicelo | if you have public ip, it should be right on gprs0, so you can find it directly with 'ip a sh gprs0' | 16:22 |
| Linkandzelda | im setting a wifi static ip now so i remember the ip | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if the pings reach your N900 the TX of modem will eat lots of power | 16:22 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: isp might assign internal ip, yet do snat anyway | 16:22 |
| Linkandzelda | i dont have a sim right now so i cant try any of that | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: you still could suffer IP mapping NAT | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, rain outside :ยด( | 16:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 planned to test a few motorbike / scooter things | 16:25 | |
| Linkandzelda | is there any way i can slow down the timeout of long pressing keys to get to thier fn equivalent? or a way to toggle fn on and off | 16:25 |
| ceene | that can be disabled somewhere in the settings app | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 16:25 |
| infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 16:25 |
| KotCzarny | yes, you can disable long-press | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | (but removing input method altogether ;) | 16:26 |
| Linkandzelda | im half way reading that jrtools page | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | holler if you find anything non-convenient or incorrect | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, you dont want to disable it, just making it faster | 16:26 |
| Linkandzelda | and i didnt want to disable, i wanted ot make it shorter so i hold for less time. not sure if thaty would actually make things worse or better | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, shorter. You said longer | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a key in gconf for sure | 16:27 |
| Linkandzelda | sorry, i said slow down, you're right. i meant speed up. but in this sense "slow down the timeout" i meant as in, make the timeout less... my communication skills fail me | 16:27 |
| Linkandzelda | any way to check all keys in gconf? never used gconf before | 16:28 |
| KotCzarny | i think there was a crude gui for gconf | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | gconf-editor maybe | 16:29 |
| Sicelo | gconftool -R / .. the list is very long .. so you may want to pipe output to less | 16:29 |
| Sicelo | gconftool-2 -R / actually | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool -R /apps/osso/inputmethod|less +"/ext_kb_long_press_timeout" | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, had to find it first :-) | 16:31 |
| Linkandzelda | i was planning to grep for timeout and would have probably found it as well lol | 16:31 |
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