IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2016-04-12

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azkayWhy is it so hard to find a smalllll fm receiver that DOESN'T need a microcontroller to use? ):08:24
azkayI got some cheapo chinese FM headphones, but the pcb inside is too big to use, booo08:27
ecc3gthose push to tune receivers using the *9088 tuner chips?08:34
ecc3gscary that SMT is still too big...08:35
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Siceloanyone here going to DebConf16?11:47
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HRH_H_Crabanyone here got debian running on their n900? i finally got it installed via:
HRH_H_Crabthings seem to be working really nicely so far, but im a bit stuck with audio.12:50
HRH_H_Crabi read something about speaker damage and pulseaudio and xprot but im not really sure what to make of that.12:51
Sicelothese days there are many more running alt.os on N900 :) Wizzup one of them .. maybe he can help you12:52
HRH_H_Crabi think my (glorious 4.0.0-rc1+) kernel comes from Pali12:54
HRH_H_Crabhe may well know.12:54
Sicelowhat doesn't he know ;)12:54
HRH_H_Crabi should look at his sources too12:54
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drathirHRH_H_Crab: alarm rulez...13:41
HRH_H_Crabdrathir: not sure what you mean?14:01
Sicelohe means arch linux14:02
drathirL29Ah: szto eta?14:04
drathirHRH_H_Crab: Sicelo is correct https://archlinuxarm.org14:05
WizzupHRH_H_Crab: hi there14:09
WizzupI have gotten audio to work on 4.3 and 4.5 from Pali14:09
WizzupYou mostly just need to tweak a few ALSA settings14:09
WizzupI have them documented here somewhere...14:10
WizzupRight, see:
WizzupSpecifically the last two items are important14:10
Wizzup(just the volume change is not so important)14:10
WizzupHm, I recall there being more changes. Well, see if you can figure it out with this. If not, let me know14:11
WizzupYou can use amixer to dump the current config - that's how I made the diff14:11
L29Ahcan you make voice calls?14:16
WizzupL29Ah: for most usable purposes, no. pavelm managed to make some voice calls using mainline and ofono14:17
Wizzupbut I don't think it is "quite there" yet14:17
Wizzupsms and data seems to work on gentoo at least14:17
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HRH_H_Crabim getting lots of segfaults15:12
HRH_H_Crabmaybe i need a newer kernel15:12
Wizzupsegfaults in what15:15
HRH_H_Crabthings like installing mplayer / pulseaudio15:16
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HRH_H_Crabgonna rebuild the rootfs and use a newer kernel.15:17
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ceeneWizzup: what file is that patch for?15:21
Wizzupceene: it's not a patch, it's a diff for amixer output15:21
Wizzupso you can figure out what things to change in ALSA15:21
ceenewon't that break speakers?15:22
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KotCzarnyjust add highpass filter to alsa ?15:22
KotCzarnyor just remember to use headphones15:23
Wizzupceene: if you play too loud, you might.15:25
WizzupI used speakers without problems for a bit, but I was very careful to not play too loud15:25
HRH_H_Crabi don't understand this "speaker breaking" issue. i was planning to use it a lot for audio but maybe i should knock that idea on the head and leave that to maemo.15:26
KotCzarnyonboard speakers cant handle too much displacement15:27
infobotrumour has it, xprot is and
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ceeneI've got a few things in a Notes file15:36
ceeneregarding kernel and rootfs build for n90015:36
ceene and
ceenerecently updated with Wizzup's alsa details :)15:37
WizzupI have more notes that I plan to publish in a more usable form later15:38
ceenethat'd be cool15:39
ceenethose are just notes that I take while building the system15:39
Wizzupsame here15:40
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DocScrutinizer05moin folks16:40
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: (audio) \o/. How about a comprehensive amixer -c0>working.amixer-in16:43
DocScrutinizer05amixer -c1>>working.amixer-in16:44
WizzupThe problem is that I currently only have a working mixer. So I'd have to save that, reset to default state, and do that16:44
WizzupI can do that in a bit. But I want to double verify that it works >>atm<<16:44
Wizzupand I need to do some work first16:44
DocScrutinizer05working mixer is better than non-working mixer anyway - even for setting same stuff on other devices. You don't need to know what been wrong before16:46
DocScrutinizer05amixer is a tiny bit braindamaged in that it can't take own output for STDIN. Use `alsactl -f working.alsactl 0 store`16:51
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DocScrutinizer05^^^ is standard fremantle, incl frigiin PA over ALSA16:52
DocScrutinizer05while idle16:52
DocScrutinizer05`alsactl -f working.alsactl 0 restore` does exactly what it says16:53
DocScrutinizer05note the REstore16:55
DocScrutinizer05which is inverse to store16:55
* DocScrutinizer05 doesn't know if fremantle has the pretty much default `alsactl restore` (without -f, so it uses the defualt config file) in boot16:57
DocScrutinizer05>>/var/lib/alsa/asound.state (or whatever file you specify with the -f flag) is used to store current settings for your soundcards.<<17:00
DocScrutinizer05> /etc/rc0.d/K50alsa-utils:               alsactl -F restore $CARD >/dev/null 2>&117:00
DocScrutinizer05wow what a monster:
DocScrutinizer05and pretty weird on maemo too. anyway I don't have a /var/lib/alsa/asound.state17:11
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Linkandzeldahi, so i just picked up an n900. i havent had one since 2010. seems the nokia repos and ovi repos are no longer working? is there a replacement?20:07
infobotit has been said that maemo-repos is
KotCzarnybut those are mostly for reinstalling user induced b0rkages20:08
KotCzarnyovi store is no more too20:09
Siceloovi repos are mirrored on afaik20:09
Linkandzeldai see20:10
KotCzarnyif you need reflashing then:20:10
infobotit has been said that maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./; or see ~flashing-cmdline20:10
KotCzarnygrab the script, unpack and run20:10
KotCzarnyit will fetch needed files on the go20:10
Linkandzeldathanks, though i already managed to kill an image today and just reflashed about 30 mins ago :)20:11
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Linkandzeldaone other thing, does maemo have a chance of getting vsync or a screen tear fix?20:39
Sicelorestart :)20:40
Siceloyou have that?20:40
Linkandzeldai have screen tearing yea. im about to install cssu and see if it resolves it20:40
KotCzarnyhmm, the last person to hack around vsync was ssvb in ~200920:41
KotCzarnyi might be wrong tho20:41
Linkandzeldasurprising that nobody else attempted it since20:41
Linkandzeldathough funny thing, i dont remember it back in 2010, maybe i didnt notice20:42
Siceloi've had it only 3 times in 5 years of daily N900 use20:44
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sixwheeledbeastsame here, about the same as above.20:51
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Linkandzeldai have a small issue with the application manager. it takes about 5 mins to open and display the categories. then after i install an app it does the same thing and takes 30-40 seconds to show the old list before i can install another app. is there a way to speed that up?23:30
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sixwheeledbeastLinkandzelda: not really23:51
infobotham is, like, Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham23:51
sixwheeledbeastthere is speedyham but that is a testing thing at the moment23:52
Linkandzeldai just found fam, much better!23:58
Sicelomuch worse23:58
Linkandzeldahow is it worse?23:58
infobot[fapman] Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam23:58
Linkandzeldai should get with the times23:59
Siceloeither be patient enough with ham, or just get speedyham instead23:59

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