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| kerio | my battery is swollen :c | 16:56 |
| kerio | can i use it for 2 more hours | 16:56 |
| zGrr | you shoould change it before it burst or catches fire. | 17:11 |
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| L29Ah | kerio: try making a hole and evacuating the gas | 19:01 |
| kerio | D: | 19:01 |
| L29Ah | dunno if it can be done safely though as there's a risk of shorting it | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | or take a hammer and have fireworks | 19:02 |
| L29Ah | a tiny drill might do the job | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | its dangerous ayway | 19:02 |
| L29Ah | anyway order a replacement first | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | *anyway | 19:02 |
| L29Ah | also swollen battery might indicate a malfunction in the device | 19:03 |
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| KotCzarny | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH9GLlkWnJE | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | funny | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4qJ8WcNGwg | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | funnier ;) | 19:13 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it matters if battery was charged or empty | 19:13 |
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| KotCzarny | but i love this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEo0RhEhFYc | 19:14 |
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| kerio | what battery do i buy | 19:24 |
| kerio | i have a replacement bl-5j which is much less swollen | 19:25 |
| kerio | (ayy lmao) | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | ~powercell | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | hrn | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys power | 19:25 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'power' by key (14 of 69): #fightthepower ;; #maemo power ;; athlon powersave ;; cow powers ;; digital powerline ;; hee. too much power. ecl ;; hoarsepower ;; hostmode-powered ;; i need more power ;; in fact, our powerpc kernel ;; inpowerd ;; jargon power cycle ;; jargon steam-powered ;; kernel-power. | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys cell | 19:25 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'cell' by key (15 of 28): duracell80 ;; polarcell ;; cell.pl ;; weathercode monticello ;; miscellaneous unix scripts ;; html <table cellpadding> ;; weathercode celle ;; femtocell ;; cellrelay ;; luncellent ;; cmd: notcell (.*?) ;; html <table cellspacing> ;; kill cellbot ;; excellentt, where ;; primary cell. | 19:25 |
| kerio | do original BL-5Js exist | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | they were used by some ashas till 2014 or something | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | ~polarcell | 19:26 |
| infobot | from memory, polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | right, buy this one | 19:26 |
| kerio | i literally just searched for "microsoft bl-5j" | 19:28 |
| kerio | feels bad man | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | go for polarcell | 19:29 |
| KotCzarny | 1500>1320 | 19:29 |
| kerio | 1430 | 19:29 |
| KotCzarny | still | 19:29 |
| kerio | how the fuck do i search for an original bl-5j | 19:31 |
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| kerio | also who uses ebay anymore | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: search for asha bl-5j | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | but as i said, go for polarcell | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOKIA-BL-5J-BATTERY-FOR-NOKIA-Lumia-520-X6-X1-00-N900-C3-00-Asha-200-/321940050618?hash=item4af51f52ba:g:nYIAAOSwbdpWYsdc | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | can't say much if its fake or not | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | right, lumia 520 also uses bl-5j | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: L29Ah: damn NO! do not, I repeat *NOT* try to make a hole into the hull of a LiIon battery | 20:13 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: who are you to tell me what to do | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go do whatever you want | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | F U | 20:13 |
| kerio | :< | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | chicken wuss | 20:15 |
| L29Ah | DocScrutinizer05: why? | 20:15 |
| L29Ah | u don't like hydrogen or that's about shorting the foil layers again? | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because odds are you're shorting the cell, and for _sure_ you will allow oxygen reach the Li | 20:16 |
| kerio | it can kinda end up in a big flame | 20:16 |
| kerio | which can kinda be very fucking dangerous | 20:17 |
| L29Ah | 20:29:16]<KotCzarny> 1500>1320 | 20:17 |
| L29Ah | is this fake numbers as usual? | 20:17 |
| L29Ah | not big | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all cells have a vent, so no need to drill a hiole into the hull. WTF | 20:18 |
| L29Ah | nope | 20:18 |
| L29Ah | otherwise it won't swell | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BS | 20:18 |
| kerio | i don't think that's the reason | 20:18 |
| L29Ah | what's the reason then? | 20:18 |
| kerio | LiIon crystals betting out of shape or something | 20:19 |
| L29Ah | well, all the swollen batteries i had were quite easy to push back, more like gas than crystals | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: polarcell batteries usually have higher cap than 1500 | 20:19 |
| L29Ah | never disassembled them tho | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | usually ~1560 | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you might notice the swollen battery is "elastic", but pressure in cell is _not_ your problem | 20:20 |
| kerio | yeah yeah | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, L29Ah is right, it feels like gas | 20:20 |
| kerio | it's a symptom of something worse | 20:20 |
| kerio | i'm now calibrating this old-ish bl-5j | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your problem is that cell cheistry deteriorated and might eventially pierce the membrane | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chemistry* | 20:21 |
| kerio | rip cell | 20:22 |
| kerio | where do i throw away the old batteries | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when that happens, youi got a possibly serious problem | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toxic waste | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: in the fire | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 20:22 |
| kerio | delicious toxic chemicals | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or leave where you get new cells and primary batteries | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | and fireworks | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | dont forget about fire | 20:23 |
| kerio | but i'm buying them on the internets D: | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, every<body does | 20:23 |
| kerio | do i trust this shit http://www.ebay.it/itm/Batteria-Blister-1320-mah-Originale-Nokia-BL-5J-bl5j-per-5228-5230-5800-XM-X6-N9-/181960459967?hash=item2a5db046bf:g:ZyIAAOSw5VFWIVtN | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: most electronic stores allow you to leave old batteries | 20:23 |
| kerio | oh god that's a big url | 20:23 |
| kerio | aww 1320mAh | 20:23 |
| kerio | it's one of the old ones, if it's original at all | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | go polarcell or be damned with a fake | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, try it, there's no way to tell without holding the battery in your hands (and even then...) | 20:24 |
| kerio | what if i get a fake polarcell | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | unlikely | 20:25 |
| kerio | should i bother checking IRL shops | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I found it's not really worth wasting lots of evaluation and pondering. Get a cell which looks good by specs, test it, when it's actually nice get some more | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cells >1500mAh are most likely scum | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >1600 for sure are | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | kerio, go tmo and search for happy polarcell users | 20:26 |
| kerio | i believe the polarcell is good | 20:26 |
| kerio | i don't know if this is a legit powercell | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got several goot "used" BL-5J at shoppee next corner | 20:27 |
| kerio | what the fuck is powercell anyway | 20:27 |
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| KotCzarny | polarcell, not powercell | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good* | 20:27 |
| kerio | er yes | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | advantage: when they are crap, I kick the shop owner's ass | 20:27 |
| kerio | oh | 20:31 |
| kerio | i just discovered something funny | 20:31 |
| kerio | this weird super chinese orange battery i had | 20:32 |
| kerio | (which calibrated at like 1500mAh, btw) | 20:32 |
| kerio | has ">2400µAh" written on it | 20:32 |
| kerio | which is definetely true | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | yeah yeah | 20:32 |
| kerio | but kind of expected | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | and will die in a month | 20:32 |
| kerio | i don't think you're getting it | 20:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05 got it | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | china is a bit far away | 20:33 |
| kerio | µAh, not mAh | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, utf | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | still on iso here | 20:33 |
| kerio | 2400µAh is 2.4mAh right | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the category of "this salad doesn't contain asbestos" | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I think there are like 2 or 3 genuine cell manufacturers out there | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they build lot of different stuff, but there's also stuff they cannot build | 20:57 |
| kerio | should i try overclocking | 20:57 |
| kerio | this n900 is kind of dying anyway | 20:57 |
| kerio | give it a last breath of life or something | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the bottleneck is RAM | 20:58 |
| kerio | should i try overclocking the ram | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that would actually make some sense | 20:58 |
| kerio | can i overclock the battery | 20:58 |
| kerio | to have more battery | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but strongly deprecated | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could charge it to 4.3 or even 4.4V | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will give you an extra 100mAh, and a tenth of cycles until EOL | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even risk of cell going thermal runaway | 21:00 |
| kerio | brb charging the battery to 8V | 21:00 |
| kerio | ok actually how can someone do that safely? | 21:01 |
| kerio | long cables and some sort of blast shield? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5m seem enough | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in plain air | 21:01 |
| kerio | what about the waste | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blast shield not needed | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the waste is nasty | 21:02 |
| kerio | but i wanted a blast shield :( | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the fumes are toxic | 21:02 |
| kerio | the blast shield will protect me from the fumes | 21:02 |
| kerio | hm, will the popo arrest me for freeing toxic fumes in the atmosphere | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 21:02 |
| kerio | that sounds like the kind of thing one should not be able to do | 21:02 |
| kerio | oh :< | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a LiIon going pooof emits HF aka flux acid | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not much, but HF is highly toxic, makes you get rubber bones | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofluoric_acid | 21:05 |
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| KotCzarny | rubber bones sounds awesome superpower | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | When the concentration of HF approaches 100%, the acidity increases dramatically because of homoassociation | 21:11 |
| KotCzarny | homo association | 21:11 |
| KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HF_burned_hands.jpg | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | fun stuff | 21:15 |
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| kerio | is that a melted finger | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? in wikipedia article? | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw some of the cooling agents in car aircon also emit vast amounts of HF when car is burning | 21:27 |
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| KotCzarny | kerio, yup, you wont notice damage till the next day | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | fun stuff | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | it wont even hurt initially | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you shouldn't heat Galden (perflour ether) above 250°C since it also emits HF then | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | then your tissues start dying | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh it seems I've been wrong with 250°C | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I still wonder what's the relevant differences for vapor phase soldering between Galden LS230 and HT230 | 21:39 |
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| KotCzarny | talk article is funny on that acid | 21:48 |
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| bluto271828 | I need a fully mobile terminal to remotely access an ncurses tui over ssh. Thinking about buying a refurbished N900 sold on ebay. You all probably follow this stuff. Is there a better option? I need a keyboard, 3G/LTE networking and a true xterm+ssh. smaller the better so can keep with me. sorry if not good place to ask but doesn't exactly look over active so what the hell. why not ask you guys | 22:22 |
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| KotCzarny | bluto271828: n900 is good, kb is not bad | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | network wise it's nice too | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | for low memory hungry applications it's very useful | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | subnotebook would beat any mobile keyboard tho | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | try looking for old toshibas/sonys | 22:27 |
| kerio | the new 9" ipad pro with an apple smart cover | 22:27 |
| kerio | :D | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | ipad, pah | 22:28 |
| kerio | ipahd | 22:28 |
| bluto271828 | i want real keys | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | how small shall the device be? | 22:29 |
| bluto271828 | i really need in pocket so I liked old sharp netwalker | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | http://img.bhs4.com/10/7/107C483D6B685CC0F60C9DCDE40F6B65BCA72272_large.jpg | 22:30 |
| bluto271828 | but this doesn't have cell capability | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | keyword for you: umpc | 22:30 |
| bluto271828 | yes I know | 22:30 |
| bluto271828 | but I'm wondering if anything more recent | 22:31 |
| bluto271828 | and linux friendly ideally | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | n900 is not recent, 2009 era, 256M of ram, tiny part of it really available | 22:31 |
| bluto271828 | though non-linux is ok if I have true terminal | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | but real linux | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | which is really limiting mobile options | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/43814.aspx | 22:32 |
| bluto271828 | yeah do you think they will actually send me one if I buy what they are listing on ebay for sale n900 | 22:32 |
| bluto271828 | my netwalker is 2010 | 22:32 |
| bluto271828 | vaio is also discontinued correct | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | you can try pandora, it's a bit more recent | 22:33 |
| bluto271828 | basically I have a mission critical app that runs in a screen session and performs a heartbeat with a human | 22:33 |
| bluto271828 | this app is ncurses based and can navigate very complex commands and reports | 22:34 |
| bluto271828 | extremely quickly | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | well, used n900 can be had for ~20-40usd | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | grab it, test it, sell it if not good enough | 22:34 |
| bluto271828 | ok it is 100 on ebay | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | too much | 22:35 |
| bluto271828 | that is what I was going to do. or maybe that is refurbished | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | if you have friends in europe, try there | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | it's much more popular here | 22:35 |
| bluto271828 | but I see there is this IRC for the maemo software so I figure ask if something like that but obsurce that is newer | 22:35 |
| bluto271828 | is it easy to upload/modify | 22:36 |
| bluto271828 | like is bootloader GRUB or how you can put your own stuff? | 22:36 |
| bluto271828 | I mean ideally if it is accessible I would drop it down to framebuffer terminal for example | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | you can stick to maemo os | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | it's really nice/good | 22:37 |
| bluto271828 | ok so I'll go get one and come back when i'm trying to set it up. they should be unlocked and work on US cell system like a tmobile sim or whatever | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | sleepy time, nite nite | 22:39 |
| bluto271828 | sorry I talked to much? | 22:39 |
| bluto271828 | last question. how many character row and column do you think you can get? or what is best resolution an n900 will run in | 22:40 |
| bluto271828 | ok. i see it. nevermind. TFT 800 × 480 resolution | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((character row and column)) depends on font size in osso-xterm, which you can switch on the fly with volume rocker switch - very convenient (though your ncurses app will prolly not cooperate with on the fly fontsize change) | 23:59 |
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