IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2016-03-20

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OksanaSounds neat: Curious about its Gtk2 GUI...01:18
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OksanaWhat does timidity-daemon actually do? Take up the role of mod-player-back-end for media-player-front-end?01:20
ecc3gprobably workaround to existing software that needs the classical MIDI API.  So more or less...01:37
OksanaFor somebody: in timidity-interfaces-extra, move *.desktop from /usr/share/applications/ to /usr/share/applications/hildon/01:37
OksanaAlso, probably update timidity in maemo repositories from 2.13.2 to 2.14.0? Hopefully, it's not that much different...01:44
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OksanaPali: How do I join mstardict project? It's related to I already clicked [Request to join] once at
OksanaIt was, maybe, week or even more ago...01:52
PaliOksana: probably some administrator must accept your request01:53
Pali"If you would like to contribute to this project by becoming a developer, contact one of the project admins, designated in bold text below."01:54
PaliI'm not project admin :-(01:54
OksanaOkay, so I should gmail the admin?..02:08
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HtheBanyone awake?03:01
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OksanaNot much. And yes, I gmailed, just now03:30
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KotCzarnyoksana: fremantle already includes wildmidi (ie. midi playback), which is 1/ easier on resources, 2/ still supported09:23
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sixwheeledbeastOksana: you request has to be accepted by admin09:46
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bencohOksana: what do you want to change in mstardict?10:13
bencoh(I have an issue with mstardict and RTL languages but never took the time to patch it)10:14
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sixwheeledbeastyou can upload to devel anyway without being a maintainer.10:28
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DocScrutinizer05not recommended12:11
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DocScrutinizer05council should be able to grant admin/developer status in any arbitrary garage project12:11
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DocScrutinizer05one of the many council tasks nobody seems to even know about, and that never will fly with a "maemo eV" of dozens or even hundreds of members in charge of deciding and actually doing such stuff12:14
DocScrutinizer05those who argued "why do we need council? we got maemo eV" evidently have no faintest clue12:15
DocScrutinizer05the >>you can upload to devel anyway<< actually is an infra flaw, since it was too complicated to limit upload to the garage project related files only12:25
DocScrutinizer05you only can apply for upload to extras-devel with a garage project anyway, and you're *supposed* to not abuse those upload rights for other projects owned by others. Particularly since the licensing of your files to upload are explained inside the garage project application and your upload rights to extras-devel are decided based on that licensing and project description12:27
DocScrutinizer05at least that was the original idea12:28
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DocScrutinizer05well, actually seems I'm wrong, you technically can also apply for upload permission to extras-devel without owning (or being member of) a garage project. But then in upload permission application you can't refer to the garage project but need to do all the declaration stuff what exactly you want to upload in the application. And this again defines and limits what you're supposed to use your upload permission for12:35
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DocScrutinizer05uploading arbitrary stuff you didn't apply (and got permission) for is pretty much abusive12:37
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DocScrutinizer05in the past councils were very liberal with enforcing this rule, but that doesn't mean we should deliberately suggest ignoring it12:39
DocScrutinizer05the correct procedure is: when you want to upload something new, let council and community know about it several days ahead of time, and allow council and staff to veto. When you want to contribute to an existing project, become meber of the group either by approval from project admins or by requesting to take over the project administration when the former admins are not responsive12:43
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DocScrutinizer05project admistration takeover should get granted liberally by garage admin resp council, since they don't do much damage with doing so. If former project admin (which stays in charge until new admin kicks him from project) has any objections with the newly added co-admin, everything can get rolled back without problem12:46
DocScrutinizer05servicing is one of the regular tasks of council, unless they delegate to some admin12:47
DocScrutinizer05I've seen requests lingering on for months there, should get serviced at least once per week12:50
DocScrutinizer05and could somebody please remove the friggin red [BETA] right side of ""12:55
sixwheeledbeastI would argue you could upload to devel and therefore inspect the package for promotion. But yes maintainer request page seems to have been forgotten about., I was looking after that during migration but it is a CC/sysop task.13:00
sixwheeledbeastYou are correct tho it was designed back it the day when a garage page was the way to go. Times change people prefer git pages etc etc13:05
DocScrutinizer05yep, of course13:09
DocScrutinizer05and even back then garage and autobuilder/repos were to segregate systems technically (one midgard, I forgot the name of the other forming garage), so merging the two was not exactly simlple13:11
DocScrutinizer05I _think_ garage even supports git ?13:12
DocScrutinizer05Oksana: please hit "take over meintainership" button and push council members to approve at
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, Pali is (one of) maintainer at - so you don't need to "Request to be maintainer of this package"13:18
DocScrutinizer05it's strictly only about the garage project then13:18
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: (git)  git clone
DocScrutinizer05I see Pali is developer on
DocScrutinizer05Pali: I'll switch you to admin role on mstardict13:21
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DocScrutinizer05Oksana: contact Pali about getting membership status on mstardict, please13:23
DocScrutinizer05ooh, seems you are already13:24
DocScrutinizer05err nope, pending requests13:24
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: there are a few requests pennding to get serviced, incl your for admin (which I serviced now), on
DocScrutinizer05Pali: if you feel like getting admin by my discretion on mstardict is not the correct thing to do, you're free to drop own permissions13:29
DocScrutinizer05@council: if you have any objections to Pali getting admin on, please holler13:32
DocScrutinizer05(or reset Pali's role on your own, you all automatically got permission for that)13:32
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: ^^^13:34
DocScrutinizer05Oksana: btw as ex-council you should be in the group "ex-council" in garage and have full access to
PaliDocScrutinizer05: I will try contact roman as mstardict is his project13:36
DocScrutinizer05Pali: well, up to you to consider if he's dead or gone fitjii islands or is content with you helping with admin stuff on that project13:37
DocScrutinizer05I see your request for admin status on mstardict was lingering too, like oksana's and some other pal13:38
Paliehm... roman could be in same city as me :-) so I can try to find him13:38
Palibut email should work too13:39
DocScrutinizer05I guess adding Oksana as junior debvel so she can checkin her own git branch (or whatever you git guys do) is a good thing anyway, and won't do any harm13:40
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DocScrutinizer05I'm absolutely sure you will handle that correctly13:41
DocScrutinizer05ohmy you guys failed to add council to garage group "council"?13:43
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DocScrutinizer05well, at least juiceme is admin of council group13:48
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: the policy is to keep ex-council in garage council group13:48
DocScrutinizer05usually, unless they ask for getting removed13:49
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DocScrutinizer05juiceme: usually parting council makes sure new council members are added to maemo-council garage group13:51
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ could you please check if you can reach the page
sixwheeledbeastdenied, could have broken during migration?14:02
DocScrutinizer05nope, you're just senior developer in maemo-council14:02
DocScrutinizer05wait a minute14:02
DocScrutinizer05please try again14:03
DocScrutinizer05(you prolly need to relogin to garage)14:03
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: ^^^14:04
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: ok I did login14:05
DocScrutinizer05on that page?14:05
sixwheeledbeastI am logged in to garage and then browsing to that page I get permission denied.14:07
DocScrutinizer05please check
sixwheeledbeastyep I see me14:09
DocScrutinizer05ok can you click on "admin" and see the edit features?14:10
DocScrutinizer05if that works, please proceed to and click "admin"14:12
sixwheeledbeastI can see edit role?14:14
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: sorry?14:14
sixwheeledbeaston I can't find "edit feaatures" I am listed in the column to the right14:15
DocScrutinizer05there's no "edit features" there are the features in the col at right that you can edit ;-)14:18
DocScrutinizer05"Role" for example14:18
DocScrutinizer05I guess that worked14:18
DocScrutinizer05now please proceed to and click "Admin"14:18
sixwheeledbeastYes I can see my role on the right which is the same a rzr juice etc.14:20
DocScrutinizer05you prolly also could edit roles14:20
sixwheeledbeastI have no "Admin" to click on mstardict14:20
DocScrutinizer05which is not supposed to get done in that group by you14:20
DocScrutinizer05that's pretty weird14:20
sixwheeledbeastMakes sense why I can't get to admin pages then14:22
DocScrutinizer05 the second row "Admin" - the dark one14:22
sixwheeledbeastyep I only have two options there14:22
DocScrutinizer05I rhought that should get autoenabled for all menbers of maemo-council group14:22
sixwheeledbeastoh actaully Summary SCM andtracker14:22
juicemeDocScrutinizer05, hi14:23
DocScrutinizer05hi juiceme14:24
DocScrutinizer05I'm just trying to get some light into garage admin14:24
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: can you see "approve" and "reject" on ?14:25
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: I can't access at all, it hangs and timesout14:25
DocScrutinizer05duh! you got fail2banned?14:26
juicemesixwheeledbeast, where are you connecting from?14:26
juicemeDocScrutinizer05, so Oksana could not access?14:27
sixwheeledbeastjuiceme: it what way? I am not using Tor for that connection I don't believe14:27
DocScrutinizer05prolly not when sixwheeledbeast could not14:27
juicemeok. just that at least I have no trouble connecting14:27
DocScrutinizer05both were only "senio devel" in garage maemo-council group which I thought was the main point to define permissions14:28
DocScrutinizer05you are admin14:28
DocScrutinizer05so you should be able to do all I can do (except some midgard specific editing maybe)14:28
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: can you reach and do you see the "admit" / "reject" links?14:29
DocScrutinizer05approve, sorry14:30
juicemeis it http or https?14:30
juicemeboth give me error 50014:30
DocScrutinizer05err here it's http, that link is ageold14:31
juiceme"Component org.maemo.packages failed to handle the request"14:32
DocScrutinizer05are you properly logged in?14:32
DocScrutinizer05(upper right)14:32
DocScrutinizer05sth severely broken in maemo, I guess. Or I didn't/don't understand how council permissions actually are handled in garage14:33
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: It seems I need to restart my browser ,but I have a load of stuff I am doing at the moment.14:33
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: no hurries, no hassle. When even juiceme can't reach a cheesy site like (which is no garage page, but anyway...)14:34
DocScrutinizer05prolly for it needs permissions from gforge(?) to migrate to midgard, which is a cronjob and often broken14:36
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: can you see the "role" dropdowns on when you click "Admin"?14:37
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juicemeI can see admins are Pali Rohár and Roman Moravcik14:40
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: sure, the question is however if *you* can admin that particular project too14:41
juicemeno admin button for me there...14:41
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: HTTPS Everywhere plugin breaks it would appear ;)14:49
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: this is the group that gives repo stuff
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DocScrutinizer05anyway I just added jussi to gforge group (#1)14:51
sixwheeledbeastI can access pending but still have no admin option in garage14:52
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: I can't access that URL14:52
DocScrutinizer05>>Zugriff verweigert.<<14:53
DocScrutinizer05not that I'd need to14:53
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: please re-login14:53
merlin1991it's the #1 group14:53
merlin1991you only get in via the edit group / searceh14:53
merlin1991the actual link in the end is dead meat :D14:53
DocScrutinizer05ok, then it's gforge14:54
juicemeOK now I got "admin" tab14:57
Paliso... roman give me permission to take whole mstardict project14:57
DocScrutinizer05you already 'did'14:58
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: great! that's group #1 (gforge)14:59
juicemeOK, do I need to change some of the roles?15:00
DocScrutinizer05so I hope you now can do all the admin stuff council is supposed to take care of15:00
DocScrutinizer05(change roles) I'd suggest to negotiate in council who takes care about all that garage admin15:00
DocScrutinizer05it's a pretty powerful role and not a good idea to keep "everybody and his dog" on that group15:01
juicemeok, need to discuss that then.15:01
juicemeI hope you can give some advice on the tasks needed for administration.15:02
DocScrutinizer05I'm absolutely sure in former times maemo-council group was relevant for this permission stuff15:02
DocScrutinizer05maybe actually broken during migration, dunno15:02
DocScrutinizer05(advice) sure, just holler15:03
DocScrutinizer05main issue is actually
DocScrutinizer05and there should be some email notification too for that (and garage project application etc) stuff, maybe ask warfare about which mail alias to edit and you guys at council discuss who should receive and manage them15:05
DocScrutinizer05possibly merlin1991 knows more details15:06
juicemeOK. still cannot access the pending page, though.15:06
DocScrutinizer05wait until that dang cronjob tosses ober the group permissions from gforge to midgard. Runs once a day iirc15:07
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DocScrutinizer05I suggested to change the design if infra there so every administrative edit in the gforge databese creates just one record of exactly this event and appends it to the ascii text file that f´gets read by midgard cronjob http poll, so the cronjob could run one per minute. Well it's a lot of work to chage that15:14
DocScrutinizer05s/ if / of /15:15
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: I suggested to change the design of infra there so every administrative edit in the gforge databese creates just one record of exactly this event and appends it to the ascii text file that f´gets read by midgard cronjob http poll, so the cronjob could ru...15:15
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L29Ahis there a page where i can see a history of additions/removals/updates of packages in extras?16:19
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DocScrutinizer05err yes?17:06
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DocScrutinizer05or did you think of sth different?17:12
DocScrutinizer05L29Ah: ^^^17:12
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L29AhYou don't have permission to access /packages/ on this server.17:52
KotCzarnyworks fine here17:53
L29Ahwent thru tor, 403 as well17:53
L29Ahmaemo infra is crap17:53
KotCzarnycould be worse17:53
KotCzarnyqa queue looks hilarious17:54
KotCzarnyqa effectively stopped happening ~200917:54
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DocScrutinizer05no, it's stopforumspam17:58
L29Ahi guess i can spam by updating my n900 repos17:58
L29Ahcan't i?17:58
L29Ahok nvm, apt-get update seems to work17:59
DocScrutinizer05sure, it doesn't use Tor18:00
L29Ahwho is the proper addressee of my whining?18:00
L29Ahi don't use tor either18:00
KotCzarnystaff at maemo.org18:00
KotCzarnyalso council18:01
L29Ahdoesn't look like valid email/im address18:01
L29Ahor forum id18:01
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff18:01
KotCzarnyright, techstaff18:01
KotCzarnybut i would try to put that issue to council18:02
infobotKotCzarny meant: but i would try through put that issue to council18:02
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DocScrutinizer05hmmm   wouldn't be surprised to find that provider's complete subnet on stopforumspam's blacklist18:03
KotCzarnyalso, i think poor is suffering from all that 7 years of packages history18:03
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KotCzarnyjust browsing 'all packages' requires ~20-30s of wait before page load18:04
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DocScrutinizer05~#maemo unbanip is also see
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0518:06
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DocScrutinizer05L29Ah: hmm I don't find anything for your v6 IP addr18:14
DocScrutinizer05L29Ah: also see host -a; it has no AAAA aka IPv6 addr18:17
DocScrutinizer05dunno if that's relevant here18:18
DocScrutinizer05it's at least relevant since I can't deduce your IPv4 address you might use to contact, from your IPv6 address according to your hostname in IRC18:19
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see
infoboti heard techstaff is techstaff(AT) - the folks that keep your maemo infra running. Devotion to Duty
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L29Ahsent it them18:43
L29Ahbtw insane captcha took me 15 seconds + several clicks to unblock its js18:44
L29AhIn order to confirm your email address and the validity of your removal request, we require that you click on the link below18:44
L29Ahsick shit18:45
L29Ahall this shit is done in order to READ a "PUBLIC" WEB PAGE18:45
L29AhYour request will now be reviewed by a moderator and can take several hours.18:45
L29Ahsounds legit18:45
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