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| * jonwil is still no closer to getting the NSS tools to build for maemo microb-engine :( | 00:26 | |
| bencoh | what's wrong? | 00:27 |
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| jonwil | It seems like the build process for microb-engine just doesn't compile them and I cant find anything in the build system to indicate why | 00:31 |
| jonwil | or how to get the build system to compile them | 00:31 |
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| jonwil | it doesn't help that the microb-engine/mozilla build system isn't exactly easy to understand | 00:33 |
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| bencoh | you could fetch nss and build them from there | 00:34 |
| bencoh | (a fresh independant copy of nss) | 00:34 |
| bencoh | and yeah, mozilla build system is a mess ... probably a joke | 00:34 |
| bencoh | something to make us feel bad after using it | 00:34 |
| jonwil | We need them to build from the micro-engine source (which is a specific revision of the mozilla tree with a bunch of local patches) and not just some random nss source from somewhere | 00:35 |
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| jonwil | only way to get tools that will actually run on-device | 00:36 |
| bencoh | why? | 00:37 |
| bencoh | are there that many patches to the nss utils themselves? | 00:37 |
| jonwil | there are patches to the way the build system builds stuff | 00:38 |
| jonwil | There is no gaurantee that something build elsewhere will work the way we need it to | 00:38 |
| jonwil | Plus there is no gaurantee that if I took the unmodified mozilla code matching microb-engine and built that, I would get a set of nss tools out of that either | 00:39 |
| jonwil | And we need it to be the same codebase as the nss version we are using otherwise it wont be compatible | 00:39 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I know what mSATA is. Which “controller chip issue” do you mean? | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<DocScrutinizer05> on unrelated OT sidenote: deadbeef is an awesome music player)) OH WOW!! >> What other portable devices does Deadbeef run on? --- People succeeded to build and run it on Pandora and N900.<< | 02:05 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Does deadbeef use COW? ;-) | 09:41 |
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| brolin_empey | My Socket A tower computer that has been used since year 2002 seems to be more reliable than my Socket T (LGA775) tower computer that has been used since year 2009. :-/ | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | and more slow at that | 09:49 |
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| brolin_empey | Neither computer still has the original hardware configuration even though they both still have at least the original case, motherboard, CPU. | 09:54 |
| brolin_empey | I do not think I have ever had a genuine IBM/Lenovo motherboard fail. | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | well, its been 14 years | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | electronic components can fail | 09:57 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I did not mean to imply that either of these computers has an IBM/Lenovo motherboard. The Socket A motherboard is from MSI and the Socket T motherboard is from Asus. | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | doesnt matter, electronics are bound to entropy as everything else | 10:02 |
| brolin_empey | “[15:18:34] <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: I know what mSATA is. Which “controller chip issue” do you mean?” Time stamp is for America/Vancouver (Pacific time zone, UTC -8 hours). | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | think about it: there has to be chip to convert sata signal into pata, right? | 10:07 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Yes. So what? | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | but im happy with ~80MB/s transfers on my box because my x40 flies | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | and i think part of the bottleneck is pata chip on laptop | 10:09 |
| zGrr | moin | 10:09 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: So what is this “controller chip issue” you mentioned? | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | just that, dont expect hundreds of megs of transfer | 10:11 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: AFAIK, the theoretical maximum throughput for last-generation PATA (using UDMA transfer mode) is only 133 MB/s (or MiB/s?). | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 udma6 | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | Timing buffered disk reads: 230 MB in 3.00 seconds = 76.58 MB/sec | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | Model=SAMSUNG SSD PM830 mSATA 32GB | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | but its more than enough for a snappy x40 | 10:15 |
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| brolin_empey | So, since I last asked months ago, has anyone made a fanless >=80686 notebook computer that uses the IBM Personal Computer-compatible BIOS instead of EFI (or at least EFI with CSM and ability to disable “Secure Boot” (sic)) and that has a proper/decent integrated display instead of Yet Another™ pathetic TN AMLCD panel? And that can boot and run from removable non-volatile memory? And that preferably has removable main memory? | 10:24 |
| kerio | right up to the last requirement i was going to suggest the 2015 macbook | 10:25 |
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| brolin_empey | kerio: You suggested the year 2015 MacBook the last time I asked. | 10:28 |
| kerio | :D | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | brolin, thinkpad x61t (tablets had ips/flexview afair) | 10:29 |
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| KotCzarny | not sure if all models tho | 10:30 |
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| brolin_empey | s/removable non-volatile memory/internal removable non-volatile memory/ | 10:32 |
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| ceene | aargh how much i hate yappari and whatsapp | 13:07 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 13:09 |
| ceene | i'm on the brink of throwing it all out of the window | 13:11 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | textsecure or something more? | 13:19 |
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| Sicelo | ceene: what's up? or whatsapp? :) | 14:31 |
| buZz | ceene: i already did | 14:33 |
| buZz | fuck communicating over anything that isnt email or irc | 14:33 |
| Sicelo | buZz: ceene is currently one of most respected devs, haha. because people do use yappari so much. some even ready to ditch N900 if yappari cannot be maintained :p | 14:35 |
| Sicelo | not saying that's a good reason to keep working on it, or that other devs aren't popular ... | 14:36 |
| buZz | ? | 14:36 |
| buZz | i dont get your trail of thought | 14:36 |
| Sicelo | if you or i quit whatsapp, only one (or two) persons affected. if ceene does, maybe 60 or more % N900 users.. | 14:37 |
| buZz | good | 14:38 |
| buZz | let them suffer of their centralized chat solutions | 14:38 |
| Sicelo | lol. | 14:39 |
| Sicelo | personally i'd be happy if i had to only use irc, but everyone i know looks at it with such wide eyes you'd think they saw a ghost | 14:41 |
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| KotCzarny | sicelo, make them install pidgin or something with irc integrated and just coerce into it | 14:49 |
| Sicelo | easier said than done hey. more than half of my family are using Ashas for example, and whatsapp is bundled in :) | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | evil bundle power | 15:04 |
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| Sicelo | i had secretly hoped textsecure wouldn't be implemented in S40 whatsapp, but it is. if it wasn't, maybe whatsapp.inc would not push message encryption the way they have | 15:19 |
| ceene | now people can't register | 15:27 |
| ceene | there's some broken thingy that i've yet to discover | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | at least they are not banned for being not able to register | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | or are they? | 15:28 |
| ceene | also, textsecure libs won't compile on fremantle_x86, so i'll have trouble debugging it | 15:28 |
| ceene | nope, it's more low level than that, some ssl stuff | 15:28 |
| ceene | so no bans | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: tell thenm that's a new whatapp client that even doesn't need phone number and can run on PC without phone tethering | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 15:48 |
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| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: i think that's one of the "problems" ... stuff like whatsapp/facebook, etc has allowed people to communicate wthiout needing to configure aything really. | 15:54 |
| Sicelo | same reason that browsers have taken over all computing | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | so the problem is 'the people' | 15:54 |
| Sicelo | yes | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | sisters, mothers :P | 15:55 |
| Sicelo | and how do you fix them? you can't easily. you end up forced to 'lower your standards' so to speak :) | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | not entirely true | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | irc is almost 'no configure' | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | and there is 'chatzilla' extension | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | all clicky happy | 15:56 |
| Sicelo | 1. you look for a client among dozens of possibilities. 2. you choose a network among dozens too. 3. you find a server for the network ... | 15:57 |
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| KotCzarny | sicelo, 1/ chatzilla, 2/ ircnet or freenode. 3 is part of the 2 and is usually round robin dns | 15:58 |
| Sicelo | fwiw, i hate the fact that browsers are basically taking over everything. i still believe in proper irc lient, email client, rss reader, etc. but really, the vast majority is quite okay to have your firefox and nothing else | 15:59 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: having got on Freenode, they find geeks, not friends :) | 15:59 |
| Sicelo | that's the other problem | 15:59 |
| ceene | curiously enough, on mobile phones every website insists that you install their app | 16:00 |
| Sicelo | still usually a front-end to the website anyway (most) | 16:01 |
| ceene | so in handheld devices most of the work ends up being done on the device because you're running an app that uses your storage space | 16:01 |
| ceene | while on your computer which has larger memory, more computing power, etc, you end up using web based applications | 16:01 |
| KotCzarny | geeks can be (geeky) friends too | 16:02 |
| ceene | it's quite nuts | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | as for app mess, i still like console ones | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | ie. my irc and message network is text based | 16:03 |
| Sicelo | same here. even on N900, mutt+irssi, etc ;) | 16:04 |
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| KotCzarny | + screen | 16:05 |
| Sicelo | for the server, yes. | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: guess how much I configured in my IRC client before joining first channel | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hint: freenode been in the presets already | 16:24 |
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| ceene | DocScrutinizer05: and how do you know who you want to talk to? | 16:26 |
| ceene | compare that with "i just have your phone number and by magic your name appears on my screen and i can talk to you" | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how do you know in wattsapp? just because the fucking shit soies on you and everybody else | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | spies even | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spys? | 16:27 |
| ceene | a user doesn't care | 16:27 |
| ceene | my mom just wants to talk with me | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the tell her you're ceene | 16:27 |
| ceene | yeah, and when she wants to talk to her brother? | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you had to tell her your phone number to, no? | 16:28 |
| ceene | or with her aunt who lives in another city? | 16:28 |
| ceene | she has had my phone number since years now | 16:28 |
| ceene | she hasn't changed her phone number ever | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh well, she had your name even longer | 16:29 |
| ceene | nor her brother nor her family | 16:29 |
| ceene | so when her cousin with whom she doesn't speak much just wants to send her a photo of whatever | 16:29 |
| ceene | she just does it | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly phonenumber. So 1980 | 16:29 |
| ceene | yeah, not that it's the optimal thing, but since it's been around since 1980 and her phone number hasn't changed since before then, it's convenient | 16:30 |
| ceene | what does she have to do, use the phone to call every person she knows and ask them which their IRC nick is? | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tzz, how's that a reason for requiring a *phonenumber* for a service that allows me to register with my clear name | 16:31 |
| ceene | why would she do that if she can just use the phone number right away? | 16:31 |
| ceene | now she has to keep two handles that identify everyone: the phone number and the nick, and what for? | 16:31 |
| ceene | do i have to notify everyone whenever i decide to change my nick? | 16:32 |
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| joerg_rw | what nick? | 16:32 |
| ceene | i don't change phone numbers and i don't want to because i'd have to tell the new one to everybody | 16:32 |
| ceene | i don't know who you are, joerg_rw | 16:32 |
| ceene | you're just someone | 16:32 |
| ceene | who may or may not be my son | 16:32 |
| joerg_rw | because you didn't give borth to me | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | now I'm you | 16:33 |
| joerg_rw | hardly | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how shall I explain that to mem? | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you think my mom cares? | 16:33 |
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| ceene | :) | 16:33 |
| ceene | if my mom saw that | 16:33 |
| ceene | she'd be calling the police | 16:33 |
| ceene | thinking someone has kidnapped me, you, or killed both of us | 16:33 |
| ceene | really, you can't compare the ease of use of whatsapp with irc | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't compare the evilness either | 16:34 |
| ceene | my mom doesn't even know itt's evil, and to be honest, it's not so evil for her | 16:34 |
| ceene | lots of people just shout at their phones thinking that since the other party is in another city the voice has to reach them | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't register to a service that already knows my name and address and all my potential contacts simly from spying on all my conatcts' phonebooks | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when I just tell them my *phonenumber* | 16:35 |
| ceene | i understand that you won't | 16:36 |
| ceene | but how many people do? | 16:36 |
| ceene | how many people care? | 16:36 |
| ceene | people in fact like that | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, *I* care | 16:36 |
| ceene | they do the least possible effort and they have instant communication with all the people they know | 16:36 |
| ceene | like it or not, that's convenient, and people like that | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and Iprolly will bash up a few "friends" eventually | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't gibve my phonenumber and address to them for them sharing it to fackebook or wattsapp | 16:37 |
| ceene | you go and explain that to them | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll do, right away | 16:39 |
| ceene | and then they'll continue using these evil thingies no matter what | 16:40 |
| ceene | because they're convinient | 16:40 |
| ceene | s/convinient/convenient/ | 16:40 |
| infobot | ceene meant: because they're convenient | 16:40 |
| ceene | yours is a fight I respect, but which has already been lost | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll just explain them why they get a good kick from me, for already having shared *my* data to wattsapp for *their* 'convenience' | 16:42 |
| ceene | "but it's not a big deal, why do you care?" | 16:43 |
| ceene | "i haven't shared my data with anyone" | 16:43 |
| ceene | "i just installed whatsapp, i didn't even talk to you" | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if any of my so called friends is stupid enough to ask that, I'll hand him a link to some imgur snapshots so they'll learn how it feels when other people upload your data to the web | 16:44 |
| ceene | but they don't even know they've uploaded any data of yours | 16:45 |
| ceene | they've just installed whatsapp | 16:45 |
| ceene | they happened to have your phone number in their phonebook | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if I can't already find some appropriate snapshot, I'll take one of me kicking their ass | 16:45 |
| ceene | and that got shared | 16:45 |
| ceene | but they didn't do anything | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'm now tempted to register with watsap just to check what are my 'friends' | 16:49 |
| ceene | you do understand that they don't even suspect there's something remotely wrong, right? | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | is this my fault? | 16:54 |
| ceene | not at all | 16:54 |
| ceene | but i don't think it's theirs either | 16:55 |
| Sicelo | :) | 16:55 |
| Sicelo | ceene: +1 | 16:55 |
| Sicelo | and yes, i wish the sitatuion was different. | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, nobody is responsible for own stupidity | 16:56 |
| ceene | it's not stupidity | 16:56 |
| ceene | you do know how your car works? | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 16:56 |
| ceene | i don't believe you | 16:56 |
| ceene | you don't even know how many lines of code there are in your car | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your problem, you don't know | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure about that? | 16:57 |
| ceene | unless your car is from the 80s, as your phone number :) | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I can tell you exactly how many LOC were in my last car | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it was from 1989 | 16:58 |
| ceene | and can you tell me the same thing about the elevator at your home or at work? | 16:58 |
| ceene | come on, we don't even have all the source of the n900 | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, but we have the fineprint | 16:58 |
| ceene | even your fridge now has microcontrollers on it | 16:58 |
| ceene | and nobody gives a damn | 16:58 |
| ceene | your fridge could have a microphone for all you know | 16:59 |
| Wizzup | not really | 16:59 |
| Wizzup | you can take these things apart, and many things are not IOT connected at all | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my fridge has microbes but no microcontrolers ;-D | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, you know that your data got used when you get: 1/ mail spam, 2/ phone spam, 3/ email spam, etc | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | if you want to explain id privacy, you explain it via spam | 16:59 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: 4/ killed? :) | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: depends on the data stolen ;) | 17:00 |
| ceene | KotCzarny: nobody cares about spam as long as the "gee meil thingy" removes it | 17:00 |
| ceene | i don't care about electronic spam, i filter it out | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, ever got phone spam? | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | with the 'offers' ? | 17:00 |
| ceene | i care a hell lot more about people leaving leaflets on my car | 17:00 |
| ceene | that get wet when it rains | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | or just random numbers disconnecting instantly? | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | spam is bad | 17:00 |
| ceene | sure, but does it mean my phone number has been leaked, or does it mean that someone has set up a wardialer and is just dialing random numbers of my area? | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at my car, those who leave the leaflets are the ones who get wet | 17:01 |
| ceene | DocScrutinizer05: are you Chuck Norris? | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I am known by many names ;-P | 17:01 |
| ceene | that'd explain a lot of things about your willingness to kick so many asses | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but my car can do such tricks without me helping on it | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, anyway, there is a msg network 'gadu-gadu', where you get registered by some random number, and guess what, people exchange those numbers to find their friends, so its not the reson not to use irc | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just add a switch to windshield wiper and connect it to the water jet | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for added fun, connect the ignition to the wiper arm | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so dude gets wet at top and at bottom | 17:03 |
| ceene | KotCzarny: and here we are on irc, the existence of alternatives doesn't mean whatsapp is simply convenient and easy to use | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, yes, but guess what, its not about simplicity, but popularity | 17:04 |
| KotCzarny | it gets bundled etc | 17:04 |
| ceene | KotCzarny: the value of the network is n^2 blah blah | 17:04 |
| ceene | but somehow it got to reach a big N | 17:04 |
| ceene | and it got to a certain point because it was easier than the alternatives | 17:04 |
| ceene | and maybe a bit of luck | 17:04 |
| KotCzarny | and lots of ads | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm from a socialization context where people didn't even dare to write down phone numbers into a paper book | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so are my friends - at least those who actually got my phone number | 17:06 |
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| Sicelo | never saw a whatsapp ad in my region. | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _we_ were the people our parents warned us to ever talk to | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the hippies, punks, whatever. And we all knew one thing: don't ever disclose any info to authorities or public | 17:09 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, it also depends on the usage, if your friends are geeks, you go irc/ml, gamers have steam, work people have emails/gtalk/jabber | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | WA is probably some hipster/teen movement that grew out of its cove | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we accepted fines of several 100s of bucks just because we didn't agree to tell the dude doing the census anything about us | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Volkszählung_1987.jpg | 17:12 |
| ceene | Es ist keine Datei dieses Namens vorhanden. | 17:13 |
| ceene | Dateiverwendung | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkszählung_in_der_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland_1987 | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | utf borkage | 17:14 |
| ceene | disambiguation page i guess | 17:15 |
| ceene | can't read german | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | kind of 404 in wiki | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just a tiny bit of info that shows there's not a general "nobody cares" at least in my generation, when it comes to privacy and data | 17:19 |
| ceene | today that may be true only for small sectors of the populace | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't educate the whole world, or just the youth of whole Germany, but I can expect those of my age are aware of the risks of 'computers' and read the fineprint of apps like watsap | 17:20 |
| Sicelo | not this side :) | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when they consider themselves my friends | 17:21 |
| ceene | if it makes you any happy, yappari is really on the verge now | 17:27 |
| ceene | :P | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it made me happy that yappari prolly is one of the very few watsap apps that didn't covertly share all phonebook data to the USA | 17:28 |
| ceene | oh, but maybe it does! | 17:28 |
| ceene | i'm sure you haven't read all the code :P | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't - thus 'prolly' | 17:28 |
| ceene | maybe i'm under CIA's paycheck | 17:29 |
| ceene | i should offer myself maybe | 17:29 |
| KotCzarny | well, your data is already in the internet thanks to google | 17:30 |
| ceene | maybe they'd help me know why the hell this thing now can't read a simple http reply | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I wouldn't read any code, since I also had to verify that the binary is actually built from that code and only that code. I'd simply run it under strace | 17:31 |
| KotCzarny | passive profiling is an amazing thing | 17:31 |
| ceene | well, i don't really know for sure, either... i upload the code to the autobuilder | 17:31 |
| KotCzarny | autobuilder can build blobs too i guess | 17:31 |
| ceene | maybe it takes all that time to be ready because someone manually inserts backdoors :) | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *could* check that, but I won't ;-) | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since it's not as trivial as it may sound, and would not help for changes with next version | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I trust in techstaff, particularly xes and warfare | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-d | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-d EVEN | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DANG!!! :-D friggin capslock | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | also, it takes redhat size of company to install bugs that dont do anything on their own, but together make up nice holes for the nsa | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | and mind you, redhat submits/manages a lot of core linux apps | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | and libs | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *tedhnicaly* what I see via ssh login is not necessarily what devices see on repo download | 17:35 |
| buZz | redhat has a lot of code in linux kernel aswell | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that too | 17:35 |
| KotCzarny | yes, kdbus, *spits* | 17:35 |
| buZz | not just weird additions | 17:35 |
| KotCzarny | as if regular bugs werent enough | 17:35 |
| buZz | also plain stuff, like schedulers etc | 17:35 |
| KotCzarny | in short, linux makes you safe from regular joes, but is totally open for real espionage | 17:36 |
| buZz | KotCzarny: so, get started at porting plan9 | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the autobuilder and repo VMs are ubuntu | 17:37 |
| ceene | well, I think I've solved the registration issue with yappari | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 17:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:37 |
| ceene | at least for now | 17:37 |
| KotCzarny | all it needed was a motivational talk? | 17:37 |
| ceene | it's all a hack | 17:37 |
| ceene | this thing needs a rewrite of big chunks | 17:37 |
| ceene | i've got coderus' libwa, but it doesn't support qt4 yet, i'd have to backport it | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why the heck they don't publish a reference client implementation? | 17:38 |
| ceene | but it already supports textsecure | 17:38 |
| ceene | so i don't really know which way should i follow | 17:38 |
| KotCzarny | easier to maintain | 17:38 |
| KotCzarny | why 2 codepaths | 17:38 |
| ceene | coderus' implementation is better, i think | 17:39 |
| KotCzarny | convince him to write lib agnostic to qt | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought they're so "we don't sell adds to you" and "we rather make money from your payments than from your data" - BWAHAHAHA | 17:39 |
| ceene | but i'd have to change all of yappari to its api, which is similar but not equal to the actual one | 17:40 |
| ceene | so any option is really a lot of work | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like about time for yappari2.0? | 17:41 |
| ceene | if i had the time and the QT knowledge it requires... | 17:42 |
| ceene | i'm practically begging for someone who'd help me | 17:42 |
| ceene | but nobody wants to, or knows, or cares or... | 17:42 |
| ceene | i don't even use it much! | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't at all - not that I would be much of a help. Touched Qt development last time when it had a 3 at end | 17:43 |
| ceene | well, it'd be quite strange if you, of all people, were to participate in maintaing whatsapp status :) | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | around the time when twinklephone was 0.8 | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really. Exploiting their infra with a FOSS client that isn't rogue would count as a good thing to do, in my book | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the more people use such decent client instead of the proprietary spyware, the less the whole service sucks | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually a fan of the idea of not spending money for SMS texting when you have GPRS data anyway. Well, at times at least. | 17:47 |
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| ceene | well, i'm just uploading new version to the autobuilder | 18:03 |
| ceene | if you want to check it out that's the right moment! | 18:03 |
| ceene | maybe this also buys as some time on the ciphering issue | 18:03 |
| ceene | i'm too losing messages sent to groups | 18:03 |
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| Maxdamantus | Turns out the other package was another N900 .. guess no battery for the N97 then. | 22:54 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders if de could cut a bit out of the case and put a BL-5J in. | 22:54 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:55 |
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| Maxdamantus | deklaratsiya | 23:09 |
| Maxdamantus | deklariram, che tazi pratka ne syedyrxa predmeti i veshesva, neotpovariyashi | 23:11 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders if he's transcribing that correctly. | 23:11 | |
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| jonwil | Why would any sane person want to actually USE a Nokia N97? | 23:25 |
| Maxdamantus | Dunno if I want to use it, but it was $2. | 23:27 |
| Maxdamantus | I just booted it with a BL-5J held in anyway and the touchscreen only sometimes recognises presses and they're usually in the wrong place. | 23:28 |
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| Maxdamantus | N97 has an inconvenient keyboard layout for me too. | 23:29 |
| Maxdamantus | N97 mini seems alright, since it's the same as the N900. | 23:29 |
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| Maxdamantus | the left, down, right keys on my system are 'w', 'v', 'z' | 23:30 |
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| Maxdamantus | not enough space on the N97 to use Dvorak. | 23:30 |
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| jonwil | I am about ready to give up, figuring out the microb-engine build process (and all the extra stuff the debian packaging does on top of it) and figuring out how to get it to compile the things I need it to compile is just too hard :( | 23:57 |
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