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| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb_: it's no bug, it's an error in wiki or wherever you got the vibrator dbus-send command from. It should have --type=method_call and there's actually no other way than redirecting output >/dev/null | 00:51 |
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| jonwil | bah, still no closer to figuring out why so many https sites dont work now that I have updated the root CA certificate store | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't there a cmdline tool to evaluate the certificate chain of an arbitrary site? | 00:56 |
| kerio | ssllabs.com and sslanalyzer.comodoca.com | 01:01 |
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| jonwil | At this point my guess is that NSS in Maemo is too old to handle certain certificates in the new root CA store for some reason | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks like online tools to evaluate a forgein or own server | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated nice stuff: http://khenriks.github.io/mp3fs/ http://sysadminsjourney.com/content/2008/12/11/convert-flac-mp3-fly-mp3fs/ | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fstab: /home/jr/Musik /home/jr/mp3cnv fuse.mp3fs ro,users,bitrate=192 0 0 #still needs `mount ~/mp3cnv` by user, when root does it the whole thing is completely untouchable in userspace, prolly thanks to systemd and dang cgroups and stuff | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if the whole thing goes south (it does sometimes, when there are broken .flac files), you need `fusermount -u ~/mp3cnv` since umount blows chunks | 02:33 |
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| luf_ | I want to assign and close some bug reports on bugs.maemo.org. Who can grant me permission to do it? | 03:47 |
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| luf_ | Does somebody has such permission to assign/close/... bugs? | 03:48 |
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| Oksana | Find assigned/closed bugs and look up who assigned-closed them? | 03:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd send a mail to council, that's clearly a question for them to answer | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | last bugmaster I seem to remember was Andre_Klapper(?) - council might have assigned the role to somebody else meanwhile | 04:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there are a few guys who can close bugs, however only council could assign the permissions to you to do so | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/assign/grant/ | 04:32 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: I guess there are a few guys who can close bugs, however only council could grant the permissions to you to do so | 04:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Document_maemo.org_processes | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team#Bugmaster even | 04:39 |
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| jonwil | No closer to finding a way to get NSS to give me more info on why it isn't working with certain domains/CAs (e.g. entrust) | 05:40 |
| Vajb_ | bencoh: ok | 05:48 |
| Vajb_ | DocScrutinizer05: I got it from phone control wiki page. Should i add that method-call to script? | 05:49 |
| * jonwil wishes this community had someone who knew stuff about microb-engine, gecko, nss, certs, ssl etc :( | 05:51 | |
| Oksana | Someday. What's the package with certificates, what's the package using them and complaining about them, and what change started the complaints? | 05:53 |
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| * Oksana wonders why so many people do not register with NickServ; is it such a hardship? It's not like they don't give their email to curious minds on silver platter... | 05:55 | |
| Oksana | bug #7357 | 05:58 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7357 MfE is missing some CA cert symlinks on some devices (NuevaSync) | 05:58 |
| jonwil | I updated the root CA store in maemo-security-certman to the latest Mozilla root set and now a bunch of different sites (for example any site using entrust as a CA including the entrust website itself) returns a "secure connection failed" error code sec_error_unknown_issuer. These sites all worked fine with the previous set of root CAs. | 05:59 |
| jonwil | Also other sites (e.g. google) do work fine | 05:59 |
| jonwil | And I would bet that the same "failing" sites would work just fine on a build of Firefox with the same set of root CA certificates that I imported into Maemo | 06:00 |
| Oksana | Not sure... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/275878/firefox-and-ssl-sec-error-unknown-issuer | 06:01 |
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| Oksana | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/984505 | 06:03 |
| Oksana | In short: there is a chain of certificates, and if there is a link (intermediary) missing, you get an error? | 06:04 |
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| * Oksana does not know how to pick through them and figure out which one is problematic and how | 06:05 | |
| Oksana | keep in mind bug #6211 | 06:09 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/6211 Installed root certificates not used until browser restarted. | 06:09 |
| jonwil | lets reboot just in case that somehow does something | 06:11 |
| jonwil | not that it will of course | 06:11 |
| jonwil | nope, nothing | 06:12 |
| jonwil | Oksana: I am guessing you dont know what maemo-security-certman actually is | 06:12 |
| jonwil | or what it does | 06:12 |
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| Oksana | Manages SSL certificates for secure connection in everything, like microb, probably telepathy too? | 06:16 |
| jonwil | yes it holds the master root certificate store that microb uses (and other things too although not telepathy) | 06:16 |
| jonwil | well maybe telepathy does I dont know | 06:16 |
| jonwil | but definatly microb uses it for its root store | 06:17 |
| Oksana | And hence Maps and Conversations, too | 06:18 |
| jonwil | well conversations doesn't ever use ssl or certificates for the web browser part | 06:18 |
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| Oksana | Likely, yes | 06:19 |
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| Oksana | jonwil: Rebooting did not help? | 06:52 |
| jonwil | nope | 06:52 |
| jonwil | I wasn't expecting it to given how maemo-security-certman works | 06:52 |
| Oksana | Any way to trace error to what exactly is wrong? To figure out the certificate it struggles with? | 06:53 |
| Oksana | Even just a visual tree of certificates depending on each other would help to pinpoint exactly what node is responsible for cascade, though having exact logs from program would be preferable | 06:54 |
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| jonwil | I dont know but I am digging further into whether its possible to import a newer nss into microb or not | 07:02 |
| Oksana | Good | 07:02 |
| jonwil | that would in theory give us support for the latest tls standards | 07:02 |
| Oksana | Nice :-D | 07:02 |
| Oksana | As long as it's not a memory-eater ;-) Or CPU-eater. Or space-eater | 07:03 |
| jonwil | hmmm maybe we wont get that support, that code seems to live elsewhere | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil, does openssl on maemo use the same cert store? | 07:50 |
| jonwil | no idea | 07:50 |
| KotCzarny | openssl can be handy tool to check such things | 07:50 |
| KotCzarny | let me google the magic line | 07:51 |
| jonwil | I am using openssl s_client already | 07:51 |
| KotCzarny | right | 07:51 |
| KotCzarny | does it work or fail on that problematic site? | 07:51 |
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| jonwil | that works | 07:53 |
| KotCzarny | what is your openssl version? | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | also, can you pastebin openssl s_client -connect your.site:443 ? | 07:55 |
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| jonwil | its not just the one site, its a whole bunch of sites including www.microsoft.com | 07:59 |
| KotCzarny | ms site works on stock certs | 08:08 |
| jonwil | the fact that openssl s_client gives correct output when talking to failing sites with the new set of CAs installed means that the root CAs themselves aren | 08:14 |
| jonwil | aren't broken | 08:14 |
| jonwil | or missing | 08:14 |
| jonwil | and its something in nss or microb that is at fault | 08:14 |
| KotCzarny | or it uses different set | 08:15 |
| jonwil | nope it doesn't | 08:15 |
| jonwil | openssl and microb are using exactly the same set | 08:15 |
| jonwil | since I used -CApath argument to openssl to point it at the set in maemo-security-certman (which is what microb is also using) | 08:15 |
| jonwil | so its definatly got something to do with nss or microb-engine code and not the set of root certs | 08:24 |
| Oksana | Nice... | 08:27 |
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| jonwil | At this point we need to find someone that understands nss and gecko and stuff | 08:41 |
| jonwil | Finding someone who understands that will help us get a newer version of all that stuff into microb-engine as well... | 08:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: did you already add a 144 printf() lines? | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I at times had programs that were half their original size after I cleaned out all printfs | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ancient programming schemes ;-) | 14:00 |
| jonwil | bah, I cant properly debug browserd with gdb :( | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter why, that's exactly the age old rationale behind ancient printf() 'debugging' | 14:18 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 14:23 |
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| jonwil | adding debug printfs is a pain when it takes 20 minutes to rebuild microb-engine every time | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes its the easiest way | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, it took up to 30 minutes back when I used that technique, thus I added a *lot* of them so probability was high I would have one at the right place anyway. However it took a 2 or 3 spins to refine the printfs where stuff turned out te get more interesting | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil, also, add printf as a function or definition | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | so you can disable it easily later | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | (without removing everything) | 15:20 |
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| Wizzup | Why would gdb not be possible? | 15:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shodan is awesome ;-P so are some fools e.g. in USA http://98.213.179.248/nobody/mobile320.htm?Login=Quick | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | admin admin | 16:20 |
| kerio | lmao | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | someone parking car. Owner coming home? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm no | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/09/plasma-desktopCm3616.png | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course the geolocation is mostly bogus | 16:39 |
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| xes | Oh... just noticed why modest was refusing to download last messages without any error notification... syslog: GLIB WARNING ** camel-imap-provider - Unexpected response from IMAP server: A00001 NO [ALERT] Please log in via your web browser: https://support.google.com/mail/accounts/answer/78754 (Failure) | 22:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | xes: I have been having trouble with hotmail for a few weeks no idea why. | 22:10 |
| xes | ..these gmail (security) warnings are really annoying | 22:11 |
| xes | anyway, it would be nice if modest could report such kind of imap "[ALERT]" messages | 22:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I actually can't get any e-mails now by the looks of it, the other accounts have stopped updating. | 22:17 |
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| luf_ | Everything about bugs.maemo.org seems very outdated. Does it mean we don't want change it? | 23:59 |
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