| jonwil | ok so you only have 4 lines in your hildon-application-manager.list? | 00:01 |
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| jonwil | the 2 linenoise ones and the 2 extras ones? | 00:01 |
| jonwil | I mean maemo.org ones | 00:01 |
| fishbulb | I don't know if they're all listed twice | 00:01 |
| fishbulb | now I do, yeah, there are 5 | 00:02 |
| jonwil | so the 5 you have are the 2 linenoise ones? | 00:03 |
| jonwil | and then 3 for repository.maemo.org? | 00:03 |
| fishbulb | community extras extras-testing <-- for maemo.org | 00:03 |
| fishbulb | and the two linenoise ones | 00:03 |
| fishbulb | it doesn't make sense | 00:03 |
| jonwil | ok, you want to remove the one that says extras-testing | 00:03 |
| fishbulb | wait there could be some in fapman | 00:04 |
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| jonwil | anyhow, having extras-testing enabled is why your getting the wrong version of fmms | 00:04 |
| fishbulb | nope I depeted all the repos | 00:04 |
| jonwil | ok so delete the extras-testing from sources.list.d and then reinstall fmms | 00:05 |
| fishbulb | I'll just disable it in app manager | 00:05 |
| jonwil | yeah do that | 00:05 |
| jonwil | then reinstall fmms and see if that fixes your problem | 00:06 |
| fishbulb | I will do so immediately | 00:06 |
| fishbulb | app manager is really slow | 00:07 |
| fishbulb | although for a "phone" that would have been in school for 2 years now it's not too bad | 00:07 |
| fishbulb | if it was a child. | 00:07 |
| fishbulb | hey should I apt-get update | 00:08 |
| jonwil | no | 00:08 |
| jonwil | I would rather keep my N900 that use a Galaxy S6 or an iPhone 6S | 00:08 |
| fishbulb | I would rather use this, because I can keep it to texts calls and gps | 00:08 |
| fishbulb | there's no facebook alerts, or other bullshit, constant dinging crap | 00:08 |
| fishbulb | SHIT | 00:10 |
| fishbulb | it failed again | 00:10 |
| fishbulb | it tried to download an mms that failed | 00:11 |
| jonwil | you deleted and reinstalled fmms? | 00:11 |
| fishbulb | yeah | 00:11 |
| jonwil | what version does it say its running now? | 00:11 |
| fishbulb | and it came up with the contents still | 00:12 |
| fishbulb | 1.3.3 | 00:12 |
| jonwil | which is the right version for extras (non-testing/non-devel) | 00:12 |
| jonwil | well I am out of ideas but at least you dont have any bogus repos there now | 00:12 |
| fishbulb | yeah. I'm thinking this should work. maybe the ones that were sent to the broken one won't open | 00:13 |
| jonwil | i.e. anything you shouldn't have | 00:13 |
| fishbulb | yeah thanks for the help | 00:13 |
| jonwil | never used fmms myself (never ever sent or received an MMS actually) | 00:13 |
| fishbulb | I'm pretty sure I did apt-get upgrade with the testing repo in there | 00:13 |
| fishbulb | I have to because everyone else with a phone does that all the time | 00:13 |
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| jonwil | well you have the correct fmms version anyhway | 00:14 |
| jonwil | anyway | 00:14 |
| fishbulb | like I use this phone to communicate with non tech people | 00:14 |
| fishbulb | I can send a picture to myself | 00:14 |
| jonwil | yeah if other people use mms then yes you need to :) | 00:14 |
| fishbulb | I'm not about to buy a wafer thin quadcore thing that goes flat in 4 hours | 00:15 |
| jonwil | the physical keyboard on the N900 is the best I have used on any mobile device | 00:16 |
| fishbulb | I think it's the only one I've used? | 00:16 |
| jonwil | and much easier to type with than the crappy virtual keyboard on iPhones and etc | 00:16 |
| fishbulb | seriously even a mouse is easier to type with | 00:17 |
| fishbulb | smudgy bullshit | 00:17 |
| fishbulb | that needs serious processing power to predict all the failures that always happen | 00:17 |
| jonwil | I will keep using my N900 until one of 3 things happens:1.I somehow manage to get myself a Neo900 2.My N900 dies and cant be fixed or 3.I am unable to use my N900 anymore because of changes made by my cellular carrier or something | 00:17 |
| fishbulb | why would it stop working? | 00:18 |
| jonwil | the carrier might switch frequency bands | 00:18 |
| jonwil | or I may need to switch carriers for some reason | 00:18 |
| fishbulb | well I think only japan has abandoned gsm | 00:19 |
| fishbulb | 3g won't disappear for another decade or two | 00:19 |
| fishbulb | maybe? | 00:19 |
| jonwil | yeah but some carriers use (or might use) 3G frequency bands that the N900 cant do | 00:20 |
| jonwil | i.e. 850MHz UMTS | 00:20 |
| jonwil | One carrier uses it exclusively | 00:20 |
| fishbulb | oh | 00:20 |
| jonwil | and other carriers are potentially going to use it | 00:20 |
| jonwil | and yes the carriers in Australia are looking at getting rid of GSM so they can have even more bandwidth for high-capacity LTE | 00:20 |
| jonwil | or whatever | 00:20 |
| fishbulb | well gsm is the obvious one to go | 00:21 |
| fishbulb | that's only half of this phone though | 00:21 |
| jonwil | yeah but like I said, it may be that I end up forced onto UMTS 850 | 00:21 |
| jonwil | for some reason | 00:21 |
| jonwil | which is when I would need to stop using my N900 | 00:21 |
| jonwil | but hey, until that (unlikely) event happens, I can keep using it :) | 00:22 |
| fishbulb | are you in australia? | 00:22 |
| jonwil | yes I am | 00:22 |
| fishbulb | yeah same | 00:22 |
| jonwil | which carrier are you with? | 00:22 |
| fishbulb | vodafone | 00:23 |
| jonwil | I am with TPG (who use the Vodafone network) | 00:23 |
| jonwil | TPG used to use the Optus network but then they did a deal with Vodafone | 00:23 |
| kerio | jonwil: i think i'll stop using the n900 soonish :\ | 00:26 |
| jonwil | why? | 00:26 |
| kerio | neo900 costs almost more than a car | 00:27 |
| kerio | and n900 has awful specs to do anything except IRC | 00:27 |
| fishbulb | I can absolutely buy a working car for the price of the neo900 | 00:27 |
| Wizzup_ | Maybe go to #cars instead | 00:27 |
| fishbulb | a working road legal car that would get me across the country | 00:27 |
| bencoh | ke:( | 00:28 |
| bencoh | kerio: * | 00:28 |
| kerio | do note that it's not in any way a criticism of the neo900 | 00:28 |
| kerio | i understand where the price is coming from | 00:28 |
| kerio | it's just too much for me :( | 00:28 |
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| fishbulb | why would it matter if it was a criticism? | 00:29 |
| fishbulb | it's more expensive than most other phones that exist | 00:30 |
| kerio | so what | 00:30 |
| kerio | that's like complaining that a concept car costs more than a house | 00:31 |
| fishbulb | I've built a touring car that "should" have cost as much as a house | 00:31 |
| fishbulb | and cost me less than the worst new car you can find | 00:31 |
| fishbulb | not worst, I mean cheapest | 00:32 |
| jonwil | My 2 main wishes for the N900 right now are to improve the security of the N900 (which I am doing my best to help with) and a better browser that can visit more modern websites (e.g. www.trello.com) | 00:33 |
| jonwil | but that last part isn't vital since I can still visit 99% of the sites I actually want to visit when I am out and about | 00:33 |
| fishbulb | I never bother visiting sites | 00:33 |
| fishbulb | the screen is tiny and awful, the sites mostly have to be mobile ones | 00:34 |
| fishbulb | if I want to internet, I use an android tablet and a shitty wep or open hotspot on this phone | 00:34 |
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| fishbulb | though what else from 7 years ago is still alright? | 00:37 |
| fishbulb | obviously everyone here keeps the thing for some reason. | 00:37 |
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| bencoh | no real alternative? ;) | 00:53 |
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| fishbulb | I tried apt-get update | 01:02 |
| fishbulb | and the keyring for the two linenoise repos is... | 01:02 |
| fishbulb | not working for some reason | 01:02 |
| fishbulb | fMMS isnt' working anymore either. | 01:02 |
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| fishbulb | I mean still isn't working | 01:06 |
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| fishbulb | this is really frustrating | 01:15 |
| fishbulb | I deleted the linenoise repos becuase they didn't seem to work | 01:15 |
| jonwil | no ideas | 01:16 |
| ceene | O_o | 01:16 |
| ceene | i've managed somehow to make qt4 use tlsv1.2 | 01:16 |
| ceene | not that it's a solution right now | 01:16 |
| ceene | because i deleted things that need to be there | 01:16 |
| kerio | lol | 01:17 |
| ceene | but a little thingy i wanted to use that connected to a tlsv1.2 only https site now works with these changes i've made | 01:17 |
| kerio | qt4 being tls1.0 only is an endless cause of frustration | 01:17 |
| ceene | yes it is | 01:17 |
| ceene | i have a piece of software that didn't work | 01:18 |
| ceene | (getmewheels) | 01:18 |
| bencoh | it's plain stupid, too | 01:18 |
| ceene | but now it connects to the server and everything seems fine | 01:18 |
| ceene | the changes are pretty small | 01:18 |
| ceene | i have to restore back some things i deleted and debug it | 01:18 |
| kerio | mumble/murmur :| | 01:18 |
| ceene | but i think we can have a .deb soon | 01:18 |
| kerio | i have to tweak the port's makefile to make it use qt5 | 01:19 |
| bencoh | I dont really get one thing though... why are there any change needed ? | 01:19 |
| bencoh | +s | 01:19 |
| bencoh | ceene: I guess you've built qt against openssl-1.x? | 01:20 |
| ceene | because it has code such as this | 01:20 |
| ceene | case QSsl::SslV2: | 01:20 |
| ceene | ctx = q_SSL_CTX_new(client ? q_SSLv2_client_method() : q_SSLv2_server_method()); | 01:20 |
| ceene | break; | 01:20 |
| ceene | yes, i got openssl-1 on the n900 | 01:20 |
| bencoh | ceene: yeah but that's for sslv2 vs sslv3 vs tlsv1 | 01:21 |
| bencoh | what about tlsv1.0 vs 1.x? | 01:21 |
| ceene | case QSsl::TlsV1: | 01:21 |
| ceene | ctx = q_SSL_CTX_new(client ? q_TLSv1_client_method() : q_TLSv1_server_method()); | 01:21 |
| ceene | break; | 01:21 |
| bencoh | what does q_TLSv1_client_method use? | 01:21 |
| ceene | but if you want to use v1.2 you need to use q_TLSv1_2_client_method() | 01:21 |
| bencoh | meh | 01:22 |
| bencoh | that's silly | 01:22 |
| kerio | openssl is pretty silly, yes | 01:22 |
| bencoh | krkr | 01:22 |
| ceene | yes | 01:23 |
| bencoh | fishbulb: the gpg key used in mirrors is the same as the original ones (ie; the nokia ssu gpg key); it expired years ago | 01:23 |
| bencoh | it doesn't mean mirrors dont work | 01:24 |
| ceene | well | 01:25 |
| ceene | i gotta go to sleep now | 01:25 |
| ceene | i'm quite happy with this! | 01:25 |
| ceene | :) | 01:25 |
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| bencoh | :-) | 01:28 |
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| fishbulb | hey if I reflash | 01:52 |
| fishbulb | how do I backup texts calls calendar | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 02:44 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900 | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>(flashing the) eMMC aka *VANILLA*, which will replace the complete content of N900's internal 32 GB eMMC storage (embedded MMC), which is: the /home partition which has your stored browser passwords and game highscores and calendar and contacts etc.<< | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vs >>(flashing the) FIASCO aka *COMBINED*, also referred to as "rootfs"<< which obviously does not touch those items in /home | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then also >>It is strongly advised you regularly use the Backup application to create backups of your settings and data to a safe storage.<< | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>The Backup application will save: [...]<< | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also see: | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 02:50 |
| infobot | it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is yet another backup method than the above referenced Backup App | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I accomplished my daily duty of avoiding "RTFM" replies | 02:51 |
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| fishbulb | hey, every time this freenode webchat times out the text disappears | 03:07 |
| fishbulb | someone said something about a flasher and backup app? | 03:07 |
| fishbulb | is there a working whatsapp? | 03:07 |
| fishbulb | or any other way to either send pictures or chat on the n900 | 03:08 |
| fishbulb | with people who have normal phones | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yappari they said | 03:15 |
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| fishbulb | it's not in the repos | 03:23 |
| fishbulb | um, the backupmenu restores the exact settings | 03:27 |
| fishbulb | I don't know how but clicking on the repo install thing changed something that broke the phone | 03:28 |
| fishbulb | fMMS won't send or open pictures properly anymore | 03:28 |
| fishbulb | this is pretty crucial, I use it all the time | 03:28 |
| fishbulb | I get the mms, it comes through from a number, and fmms can't open it | 03:29 |
| fishbulb | it says the picture is sent, then the other person doesn't get it | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: please, if you repeat this "clicking on the repo install thing broke the phone" an N+1th time, I have to add you to my ignore list, to protect my sanity | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter if true or (most likely) incorrect, we *all* have heard it now | 03:37 |
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| fishbulb | ok I'm not sure how to diagnose how exactly fMMS stopped working | 03:40 |
| fishbulb | 100% stopped working when it was working perfectly before | 03:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when you didn't change anything, then probably something in the provider's infra/config changed. Nothing unheard of, actually. Providers do it all the time | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you make sure your account is actually working, I.E. you have a psitive balance and sending SMS and data connection are all fine? | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-01-10 Sun 14:10:47] <freemangordon> fishbulb: double check http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings against your fmms settings [2016-01-10 Sun 17:06:41] <fishbulb> I've double checked all of that :/ | 03:53 |
| fishbulb | yeah just ignore that last part | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect it needs a triple check then, involving googling for additional info about recent changes or problems on provider side | 03:53 |
| fishbulb | that's only the 10th + | 03:54 |
| fishbulb | time where I say all the settings are correct | 03:54 |
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| fishbulb | all the settings are exactly right | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's the at least 2nd time I try to tell you that "correct" is a literally relative term, since it needs a reference to which it compares for correctness. When you say your settings are correct in relation to http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings then maybe that site is _not_ correct. That's why I said "...involving googling for additional info about recent changes or problems on provider side" | 04:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | from discontinuing an obsolete service on a particular deprecated APN to introducing a new version of the protocol used, there's a virtually endless number of possible changes on provider side | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | frals: ^^^ any comments? | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-01-10 Sun 14:26:59] <freemangordon> what log says it that their DNS has no clue about pxt.vodafone.net.au [2016-01-10 Sun 14:27:09] <fishbulb> their dns? [2016-01-10 Sun 14:27:13] <freemangordon> yes [2016-01-10 Sun 14:27:16] <fishbulb> so it's their fault probably | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (([2016-01-10 Sun 14:27:32] <fishbulb> I recieved an mms <fishbulb> it came to the phone, but I can't download the picture )) that's exactly a symptom of SMS with 'URL' to download the multimedia content arrived, but the URL doesn't resolve due to ^^^ | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard providers now and then have malfunctions. Sometimes for days or even weeks | 04:33 |
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| fishbulb | vodafone says there's no problem | 04:38 |
| fishbulb | this phone hasnt' been flashed in years | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there are two options: 1) wait for frals suggesting how to do in-depth analysis and debugging of this. I doubt it will get any better than what freemangordon already told you, without frals who's the author of fMMS. 2) completely delete and reinstall fMMS, redo all config and test again. | 04:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((vodafone says...)) I witnessed a 1 week complete breakdown of the 2G functionality of the cell servicing the area where I live. O2 never admitted any problems | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway a complete flashing can't hurt, particularly after using fapman and doing so since years without flashing. | 05:23 |
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| KotCzarny | <fishbulb> I'm pretty sure I did apt-get upgrade with the testing repo in there | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 06:55 |
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| frals | fishbulb: check fmms.log and see what error is reported when its trying to fetch the mms | 08:59 |
| frals | and as DocScrutinizer05 said, theres about a million different reasons it can randomly fail, most of them on the provider side | 09:02 |
| freemangordon | frals: nslookup cannot resolve the host needed to fetch the content | 09:03 |
| frals | ah, right | 09:03 |
| frals | try manually connecting to their MMS apn and resolve the host, otherwise the operator is most likely having issues with their service | 09:04 |
| freemangordon | frals: "manually connecting" - how? | 09:04 |
| frals | easiest is probably modifying the "internet apn" through internet conenction settings to use the same settings as the MMS APN and just connect thru the normal ui | 09:05 |
| frals | but its been a couple of years since i last used a n900 :) | 09:05 |
| freemangordon | hmm, yeah | 09:06 |
| freemangordon | fishbulb: ^^^ | 09:06 |
| frals | just scrolled waaaay back, make sure the proxy is set as well | 09:13 |
| freemangordon | he said the proxy is set-up | 09:13 |
| freemangordon | been asked several times | 09:14 |
| frals | aight | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi frals :-) | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for helping out | 09:15 |
| frals | shame the log pastebin expired, but easiest way to see if its fMMS or operator is by connecting through the standard interface and see if it works there | 09:15 |
| frals | the magic scripts i hacked together to bring up 2 connections at the same time arent as good as they should be.. but they mostly work ;) | 09:15 |
| frals | no worries :) | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | frals: is sending MMS also involving sending of a SMS, or is that SMS only on receiver side? | 09:15 |
| frals | sms only on receiver, http on sender | 09:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ack, ta | 09:16 |
| frals | the "problem" is that sending is usually just posting to the mmsc, which some oeprators have accessible through all their APNs, while getting the mms *might* be on a different host thats only accessible through their mms apn | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so when fMMS says "MMS sent", this means it actually could upload the content via HTTP | 09:17 |
| frals | yeah | 09:17 |
| frals | and that the server on the other side didnt say http 4xx as reply iirc | 09:18 |
| freemangordon | then it seems the APN is correct | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the TX APN yes | 09:18 |
| freemangordon | if he is able to send | 09:18 |
| freemangordon | it is only one APN | 09:18 |
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| frals | mmsc might not be accessible if hes not connected to the "right" APN, which is used for retrieving | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suspected wrong APN all the time actually | 09:19 |
| freemangordon | frals: could we have different APNs for sending and receiving? | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: see frals' post 3 up | 09:19 |
| freemangordon | ah, you mean he is connected to the "internet" APN and is able to send, but not receive? that makes sense | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or are you asling if fMMS supports this per default | 09:20 |
| freemangordon | yes, if this is supported | 09:20 |
| frals | not supported in fmms | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | frals: is there a way to ask modem which is the APN currently used? | 09:21 |
| frals | uh icd had some stuff for that iirc | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AT cmd? | 09:21 |
| frals | gets bit tricky since fmms connects to 2 APNs in most cases... ) | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, shouldn't pester you when google would do | 09:21 |
| frals | basically fmms has a setting to automatically connect you to the mms apn in the background without disrupting the internet connection.. might be that vodafone stopped supporting multiple contexts at the same time | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the BB5 actually supports 2 concurrent APN? | 09:22 |
| frals | yeah, not sure what the upper limit was but 2 was fine | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 4 iirc | 09:22 |
| freemangordon | frals: he said he uses "havoc" mode | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | upper limit | 09:22 |
| frals | ok, havoc tries to connect automagically in the background | 09:23 |
| frals | i hope i logged something if it failed to do that... | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe | 09:23 |
| frals | but could be that he was connected to internet apn, and then the mms apn connect failed, and then that could explain what he was seeing | 09:23 |
| frals | changing connection mode to the safe one could be worth trying | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest using pnatd to ask modem which contexts/APN (there was even another better name, no?) are active | 09:24 |
| frals | anyway have to run to work, please ping me when he shows up / if i can help with anything else :) | 09:24 |
| * freemangordon has to run too | 09:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another idea: aiui fMMS creates a second network device for the second context/APN. So we could use wireshark to see what's going on there | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | frals: freemangordon: have a nice day both of you guys! | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (wireshark) actually a simple ifconfig before and after sending or trying to receive a MMS should already do, to see if any and how much traffic wnet via each of the two APN | 09:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc (long ago that I last looked at MMS from some distance) you even need to tell provider that your device can handle and wants to use MMS, so the provider enables some services (possibly the special APN) for you | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless fishbulb gets rootsh and network tools (dig/host, ifconfig, etc pp) installed, and learns how to connect to phone via ssh session from PC, we won't get anywhere debugging this | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first pretty simple test: spoil the standard APN for data connectivity, so we can be sure fMMS doesn't use "the internet" to send MMS | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I have to run as well. Need to sort my 2015 taxes | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heck! when you google for 3GPP AT commands, 2nd hit is "radekp" :-) | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://radekp.github.io/qtmoko/api/atcommands.html | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAH! "PDP context" was the name | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, BB5 (aka N900) supports THREE PDP contexts: http://paste.opensuse.org/30269195 | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | frals: does fmms come with apn db or it fetches it from somewhere? | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://ukblog.im-mobility.com/public/support/Nokia/Nokia_CS-10_AT_Command_Set.pdf search: "AT+CGDCONT" | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or jump to page 180 | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ l8rs | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH!!! | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AT+CGPADDR=1 | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ERROR | 09:45 |
| frals | KotCzarny: the device ships with mms apn db (since pr1.1 or 1.2) :) | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh, what? | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry i'm missing context | 09:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 opens chanlog | 09:49 | |
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| KotCzarny | frals, that's what i thought, because n900 didnt support mms, and settings were magically filled :) | 09:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mms apn db? really now? | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heck that thing must be out of date now | 10:03 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, if fishbulb is comfy in the terminal it should be pretty easy to figure out where things go wrong | 10:24 |
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| frals | yeah, probably a tad out of date by now.. :) | 10:25 |
| frals | otoh from what i heard back while working on fmms operators rarely changed those settings | 10:25 |
| frals | someone could always write a small script to parse the OTA provisioning messages the operator sends out, but i didnt want to even look at that after reading the mms "standard" :D | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | but it can happen | 10:26 |
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| frals | yeah | 10:28 |
| frals | biggest issue is usually new mvnos | 10:29 |
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| fishbulb | hey did I mention I can send MMS to myself | 10:42 |
| bencoh | I think you did | 10:44 |
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| fishbulb | yappari seems to work | 10:45 |
| fishbulb | and be available on most phones | 10:45 |
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| frals | fishbulb: can you post the logfile to pastebin so i can have a look? | 11:01 |
| frals | include sending to yourself + failing to retrieve one if possible | 11:01 |
| fishbulb | hi I'm here for a few minutes | 11:02 |
| fishbulb | I'll post the one log file I have and make another one too | 11:03 |
| ceene | fishbulb: yappari works indeed, but do not create any group or whatsapp will ban you | 11:06 |
| ceene | that's something i'd really like to fix, but i don't know how | 11:06 |
| bencoh | ceene: did you try dumping traffic and compare it to what does an android phone to create groups? | 11:06 |
| fishbulb | ok. I just need one way of sending pictures to normal people's phones | 11:07 |
| ceene | bencoh: it's easier than that, we have decompiled code of official whatsapp | 11:07 |
| ceene | and i can't for the life of me get which is the difference between theirs and mine | 11:07 |
| bencoh | ceene: oh and, maybe you should disable the "create group" function meanwhile | 11:07 |
| ceene | that's true | 11:08 |
| ceene | i placed a big red warning explaining that | 11:08 |
| ceene | but still a couple people got banned | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, then packet dump | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | could be easier | 11:08 |
| bencoh | ceene: this is why dumping traffic might be a good idea :) | 11:08 |
| ceene | traffic is encrypted | 11:08 |
| bencoh | if you cant work it out from the decompiled source | 11:08 |
| ceene | and all that | 11:08 |
| ceene | xmpp protocol is first binary encoded | 11:08 |
| ceene | and then it goes through ssl | 11:08 |
| ceene | so it's quite a headache | 11:09 |
| bencoh | TPROXY + ssltunnel (for instance) | 11:09 |
| bencoh | but yeah, it's a pain | 11:09 |
| fishbulb | http://pastebin.com/KVTqCMFV | 11:09 |
| fishbulb | this is me trying to send one and trying to open one | 11:10 |
| fishbulb | I think I try to open one first | 11:10 |
| fishbulb | and then I send one maybe? | 11:10 |
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| frals | hmm | 11:13 |
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| frals | im thinking it doesnt work because of the failure to resolve the mmsc host to ip | 11:17 |
| frals | and the fmms_magic script doesnt early out there, it pretends everything is fine even though it goes bonkers | 11:17 |
| frals | can you try changing connection mode to the safe one | 11:17 |
| frals | "polite" or "rude" | 11:18 |
| frals | try "rude" first, it'll bring down the current connection though | 11:18 |
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| frals | or edit your normal 3G internet connection to use the MMS settings and see if you can receive mms while using that | 11:20 |
| KotCzarny | frals: what those rude/polite modes are for? | 11:27 |
| frals | * Polite (Default behavior <0.6): Only switch to MMS connection if no connection is active, otherwise do nothing (pretty much) | 11:32 |
| frals | * Rude: Force a disconnect of the active connection regardless of what it is, connect to MMS APN and then reconnect to the old one. | 11:32 |
| frals | * Havoc: Try to bring up a connection to the MMS APN in parallell with whatever is active, this is what most other phones do. Note that to get this functionality on the N900 there are a few ugly hacks active which might break stuff, but it *should* work | 11:32 |
| frals | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39737 ;) | 11:32 |
| frals | fishbulb: so, change 3g internet connection settings to look like the mms one, set connection mode in fmms to polite, manually ocnnect to your 3g connection and then try to fetch the mms | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | frals: thx | 11:34 |
| fishbulb | oh some info | 11:34 |
| fishbulb | I don't really have the internet going all the time | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | frals: may i propose names: 'lazy connect', 'force mms apn' and 'parallel' ? | 11:35 |
| fishbulb | it's never going actually. | 11:36 |
| fishbulb | there's no autodisconnect stuff | 11:36 |
| fishbulb | whoa, bowie is dead? | 11:36 |
| frals | KotCzarny: needed one word to fit in the UI ;) | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:37 |
| fishbulb | hey | 11:55 |
| fishbulb | sorry I'm not gonna be much use right now | 11:55 |
| fishbulb | it's like 9pm and there's stuff happening | 11:59 |
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| jonwil | hi | 13:36 |
| ceene | hi | 13:41 |
| ceene | jonwil: i don't know if you read me last night | 13:42 |
| ceene | but i've hacked something onto qt4 | 13:42 |
| ceene | and i've got it to connect to tlsv1.2 servers :) | 13:42 |
| jonwil | yeah I saw you did something with QT4 and newer openssl | 13:42 |
| jonwil | thats a good start | 13:42 |
| ceene | yeah! :) | 13:42 |
| ceene | something nice about qt | 13:42 |
| ceene | is that it doesn't link against openssl, but uses dlopen | 13:43 |
| ceene | and searches for the most up to date version | 13:43 |
| jonwil | nice one | 13:43 |
| ceene | so the patch i made last night is only needed to support new protocols | 13:43 |
| ceene | but at least, simply installing openssl1 will make qt use it | 13:43 |
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| ceene | there are quite a few changes on qt's network/ssl module between 4.7 and 5 | 14:05 |
| ceene | so i din't know how feasible it is to backport all of that | 14:05 |
| bencoh | we probably dont need everything just to use the right TLSv*_method (or whatever the enum/functions is) anyway | 14:14 |
| ceene | if that's the case, probably something very similar to what i've already done is enough | 14:15 |
| bencoh | I'd just patch 4.7 with the few lines need to enable tlsv>1.0 | 14:15 |
| ceene | which should be the default protocol, if any? | 14:15 |
| bencoh | most probably yeah | 14:17 |
| bencoh | \/43 | 14:17 |
| bencoh | woops | 14:17 |
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| ceene | i can see you're pretty excited about this :P | 14:18 |
| ceene | i'm thinking | 14:19 |
| ceene | that a priority based system could work | 14:19 |
| ceene | try first tlsv1_2, if can't connect, try again tlsv1_1 | 14:19 |
| ceene | etc | 14:19 |
| bencoh | KISS, we're talking about ssl/tls ;p | 14:20 |
| ceene | yeah, but | 14:20 |
| ceene | if i change the enums | 14:20 |
| ceene | we'd need to recompile every qt app out there | 14:20 |
| ceene | and i don't want that | 14:20 |
| ceene | i want all qt applications to use the most secure protocol by default | 14:20 |
| ceene | even if they don't know nothing about tlsv1.2, which they don't because qt4.7 didn't support it | 14:21 |
| bencoh | current code goes through the protocols list in enum order? | 14:21 |
| ceene | nope | 14:21 |
| ceene | current one | 14:21 |
| ceene | uses either user chosen protocol | 14:21 |
| ceene | or a default one, which is case QSsl::AnyProtocol: | 14:21 |
| ceene | default: | 14:21 |
| ceene | ctx = q_SSL_CTX_new(client ? q_SSLv23_client_method() : q_SSLv23_server_method()); | 14:21 |
| ceene | break; | 14:21 |
| bencoh | then you dont need to insert values in-between two enums, just add it at the end (?) | 14:21 |
| ceene | but in that case i'll need to change the default to one of the new protocols | 14:22 |
| ceene | otherwise, they wouldn't be usuable by anyone | 14:22 |
| ceene | i can add the tlsv1.2 code, but no application will know to chose it | 14:22 |
| ceene | and sslv3 is completely deprecated, so I guess we shouldn't even allow it | 14:22 |
| bencoh | just change the default: line | 14:22 |
| ceene | and set what? | 14:22 |
| ceene | tlsv1.2? | 14:23 |
| bencoh | sslv2 is deprecated as well | 14:23 |
| ceene | lol | 14:23 |
| ceene | ok | 14:23 |
| ceene | so should i just set tlsv1.2 as the default | 14:23 |
| ceene | and let applications choose something older if they want | 14:23 |
| bencoh | I think there is a generic tlsv1 call in openssl1.x | 14:23 |
| ceene | there may be, let me grep for it | 14:23 |
| ceene | TLS_method(), TLS_server_method(), TLS_client_method() | 14:24 |
| ceene | A TLS/SSL connection established with these methods may understand the SSLv3, TLSv1, TLSv1.1 and TLSv1.2 protocols. | 14:24 |
| ceene | but it alows sslv3 | 14:25 |
| bencoh | I think you can also pass it some flags to disable any protocol | 14:25 |
| bencoh | (same goes for ciphers) | 14:25 |
| bencoh | I dunno if we want to completely drop sslv3 from default | 14:25 |
| ceene | maybe not | 14:26 |
| bencoh | what does qt5 do for default? | 14:26 |
| ceene | i think... | 14:26 |
| ceene | // SSLv2 and SSLv3 will be disabled by SSL options | 14:27 |
| ceene | i don't know where it does that | 14:27 |
| ceene | but that comment is under SecureProtocols | 14:27 |
| ceene | so i think it accepts everything and then disables those | 14:27 |
| jonwil | In regards to what we enable/disable by default we should follow the practice of whatever others are doing (i.e. what QT5 does or what Firefox does or what Chrome does) | 14:28 |
| ceene | qt5 doesn't disable it completely | 14:28 |
| ceene | but seems to exclude it from the list of secure protocols | 14:28 |
| jonwil | Any site out there that actually needs SSLv3 and will fail with TLS is probably not a site worth caring about | 14:28 |
| ceene | else if (protocol == QSsl::SecureProtocols) | 14:29 |
| ceene | options = SSL_OP_ALL|SSL_OP_NO_SSLv2|SSL_OP_NO_SSLv3; | 14:29 |
| ceene | but you are free to choose sslv3 if you want | 14:29 |
| ceene | if i can invoke tls_method() and then disable sslv3, the i could set that as the default | 14:29 |
| ceene | but let people choose sslv3 if they explicitely want to | 14:30 |
| jonwil | Both browsers here on my system disable SSLv3 completly and only enable TLS (1.0, 1.1 and 1.2) | 14:30 |
| ceene | uhm | 14:31 |
| ceene | that documentation i pasted before about TLS_method() seems to be wrong | 14:32 |
| ceene | or non matching my openssl-1 version | 14:32 |
| bencoh | ceene: be careful, I'm sure TLS_client_method() is in openssl-0.9.x | 14:32 |
| ceene | as there's no match for TLS_client_method | 14:32 |
| ceene | yep, it's not there on 1 | 14:32 |
| bencoh | right ;) | 14:32 |
| ceene | so... what's the alternative on openssl-1? | 14:32 |
| jonwil | internet explorer lets you enable SSLv2 and SSLv3 if you need to but they are off on my system | 14:32 |
| jonwil | and my other browser doesn't even have options for SSL | 14:33 |
| bencoh | ceene: I dont remember :) | 14:33 |
| ceene | ok, don't worry | 14:33 |
| jonwil | Its great that we are updating OpenSSL and QT and stuff but we still need to figure out how to update nss in microb | 14:33 |
| jonwil | and I am still getting nowhere with updating the root CA store | 14:33 |
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| ceene | it seems tls_method will be back on openssl-1.1 | 14:36 |
| ceene | or maybe not | 14:36 |
| ceene | i don't understand openssl changelogs | 14:37 |
| bencoh | I think nobody understands openssl as a whole | 14:37 |
| ceene | lol | 14:37 |
| ceene | yeah, i think that's it | 14:37 |
| ceene | it'll be on openssl-1.1 | 14:37 |
| ceene | which is yet to be released | 14:37 |
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| bencoh | ceene: SSLv23_client_method in openssl-1.0.x allows tlsv1 | 14:39 |
| bencoh | and you can later restrict to disable sslv2 (or v3 for that matters) using SSL_set_options | 14:39 |
| ceene | but only v1.0 | 14:39 |
| bencoh | and in case you're wondering, yes, this API is plain shit. | 14:39 |
| ceene | yep | 14:40 |
| ceene | the names don't make any sense | 14:40 |
| ceene | nothing makes any sense in fact | 14:40 |
| ceene | i just want a secure_client() and a secure_server() | 14:40 |
| bencoh | :)) | 14:40 |
| ceene | that's why it's called open-ssl instead of o-secure-sl | 14:41 |
| ceene | because it's open, but being secure is something yet to proof | 14:41 |
| bencoh | anyway, unless you want to rewrite the qt/ssl glue to use libressl, we'll have to deal with it | 14:42 |
| ceene | i don't think so | 14:42 |
| bencoh | ? | 14:42 |
| ceene | that i'll rewrite that | 14:43 |
| ceene | i'll just deal with it :P | 14:43 |
| bencoh | :) | 14:46 |
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| ceene | i gotta go now | 15:00 |
| ceene | but i'm doing that we've talked about | 15:00 |
| ceene | i hope this week i can post somewhere a couple of .deb so they can be tested | 15:00 |
| ceene | cya! | 15:00 |
| bencoh | please rather send a couple of git links :) | 15:00 |
| bencoh | but thx :) | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, something for Pali, a pity he's not around: | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Device units do exist on the file system, solely for ordering purposes. They are generated only for devices tagged “systemd” for udev to interpret in its rulesets. They have no options, and have their primary use to implement a so-called “device-based execution”, which is a conditional execution of units based on udev device availability – this is, in fact, done with the cooperation of udev itself which understands rules like | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SYSTEMD_WANTS=. << http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OOOUUUUUUUUuuuuuUUUU! >>Automount units then are a further variation, as they drive autofs, though do explicitly queue jobs. In practice, they’re used to extend regular mount units by having mount points be attached lazily, i.e. deferring only until they are accessed.<< | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I've read ~40% now (up to >>The transaction manager<<) and I feel a strong nausea | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not because of the article but because of what it describes | 17:01 |
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| freemangordon | Wizzup_: you have gentoo booting on n900 with mainline kernel, ain't? | 22:34 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: poweroff -f on device does nothing, is that expected? | 23:34 |
| Pali | freemangordon: no idea... look into /etc/init.d/mini* scripts | 23:36 |
| Pali | there are scripts which do shutdown/reboot | 23:36 |
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