| KotCzarny | but surprisingly enough, swapped qemu works with a little bit of hacking | 00:00 |
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| * APic likes the UML better than the QEmu. But that is obviously a Matter of Taste. | 00:02 | |
| KotCzarny | uml? | 00:02 |
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| KotCzarny | wow, multimeg error msg | 00:08 |
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| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer51: any chance you'd be interested in helping me de-brick some unrelated hardware? XD | 05:49 |
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| jonwil | hi | 06:41 |
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| brolin_empey | jonwil: Hello. | 06:56 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: hi | 06:57 |
| jonwil | good job so far with equ stuff | 06:57 |
| freemangordon | toldya, equ stuff is easy | 06:57 |
| freemangordon | though I wonder if you wish to test while I am REing, we can use the original exported functions for what is still missing | 06:58 |
| jonwil | Right now with the way my N900 is, I dont want to dogfood pulseaudio bits or do anything else that might increase the chances of the phone crashing or restarting or doing other things that might get in the way. I do plan to look at some more REing soon though | 07:00 |
| freemangordon | ok | 07:00 |
| freemangordon | RE PA or something else? | 07:00 |
| jonwil | more PA related things | 07:01 |
| jonwil | Have a fiddle with the Harmattan blobs | 07:01 |
| freemangordon | great. What do you plan to RE, to not do the same stuff? | 07:02 |
| jonwil | what do you plan to do next? | 07:02 |
| freemangordon | fir, maybe | 07:02 |
| freemangordon | but I'll leave it to you and jump on aep if you say so | 07:02 |
| jonwil | you go ahead and do fir if you want | 07:03 |
| freemangordon | the point is that is it easy, because of the x86 Harm blobs | 07:03 |
| freemangordon | *it is | 07:03 |
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| jonwil | Did we find out if the EAP stuff in Harmattan is a usable replacement for the EAP stuff in Fremantle? | 07:08 |
| freemangordon | eap or aep? as we already have the EAP stuff :). however, no, that is still to be done, we need Meego DE N900 parameters I am still to extract from the Meego image I have here | 07:10 |
| stryngs | viva la n900 | 07:10 |
| freemangordon | if the parameters are the same, I guess the algos are as well | 07:10 |
| stryngs | Out of curiosity, why have things, like ca-certificates, not been updated since 2011? | 07:10 |
| jonwil | yeah aep | 07:10 |
| stryngs | What gives with that | 07:10 |
| jonwil | stryngs: Installing the Community SSU on your N900 will give you something more up to date | 07:11 |
| jonwil | Nokia stopped suppoting the N900 years ago | 07:11 |
| jonwil | and the community is now releasing fixes and improvements | 07:11 |
| stryngs | jonwil: u have ssu? | 07:12 |
| jonwil | I am not running the Community SSU on my own phone for various reasons (mostly related to the dev work I am doing) but lots of people run it | 07:12 |
| jonwil | And its certainly safe to run | 07:12 |
| stryngs | I just hate the disjointed effort jonwil | 07:13 |
| stryngs | I tried to bring folks together, failed miserably... | 07:13 |
| jonwil | what do you mean disjointed effort? | 07:13 |
| stryngs | jonwil: Nobody gives a damn | 07:13 |
| stryngs | jonwil: I love the maemo community, but, truth be told, not many folks give a rats ass | 07:14 |
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| stryngs | jonwil: i.e. | 07:14 |
| stryngs | What's the latest bash version with ssu? | 07:14 |
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| stryngs | Why are we still vuln to ghost | 07:14 |
| stryngs | etc.. | 07:14 |
| stryngs | Nobody gives a true darn. | 07:14 |
| jonwil | I care | 07:15 |
| jonwil | I care about the security of my device | 07:15 |
| jonwil | but Bash isn't something that runs on the phone by default | 07:15 |
| jonwil | Busybox shell does | 07:16 |
| jonwil | so less people care about that than a stock package | 07:16 |
| stryngs | jonwil: Yeah, but busybox sucks | 07:17 |
| stryngs | jonwil: Why not run something with more HP? | 07:17 |
| jonwil | Bash isnt even part of communmity SSU either, its part of extras | 07:18 |
| stryngs | It should be standardized | 07:18 |
| stryngs | jonwil: imho anyways | 07:18 |
| jonwil | not really, cssu isn't for extra things like bash, cssu is for updates to existing packages like openssl or mce or connui-home-cellular | 07:19 |
| jonwil | and if you really want the latest bash on the N900, compile it youself : | 07:22 |
| jonwil | yourself :) | 07:22 |
| jonwil | me, I have audio blobs to play with | 07:22 |
| klopsi-u3 | jonwil speaking of audio blobs | 07:24 |
| klopsi-u3 | what do you think of this http://picosong.com/bd8Q/ | 07:24 |
| jonwil | Not my kind of music :) | 07:27 |
| jonwil | This is my kind of music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_BuT8qg4lA :) | 07:28 |
| * stryngs prefers tubgirl.ca type of music | 07:29 | |
| stryngs | =) | 07:29 |
| stryngs | Squirtin in the usa | 07:29 |
| * stryngs waits for kick | 07:29 | |
| freemangordon | relax, doc is on holiday :D | 07:30 |
| stryngs | =} | 07:32 |
| ds3 | UML? does UML work on ARM? | 07:34 |
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| Luke-Jr | why wouldn't it? | 07:50 |
| jonwil | ok, its clear there is absolutely nothing I can do with aep (Fremantle blobs, Harmattan blobs or MeeGo blobs) so I will play with eq stuff | 07:58 |
| jonwil | Freemangordon: Looks like fir_eq structure is different in Harmattan and Fremantle, can you help me figure it out? | 08:06 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, its not so different after all, I think I am figuring it out | 08:31 |
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| jonwil | ok, now I am stick again, I cant figure out what the last two fields of fir_eq are nor can I figure out if the IFIREQ_Status structure used by Harmattan is a 100% match to what Fremantle expects to receive in fir_eq_change_params | 08:53 |
| jonwil | stuck | 08:53 |
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| jonwil | ok, confirmed that IFIREQ_Status matches Frematnle | 09:07 |
| jonwil | Fremantle | 09:07 |
| jonwil | cant find any users of those 2 variables | 09:07 |
| jonwil | so I think I am good to go on cloning this now | 09:07 |
| jonwil | except that now I am planning to go out (going to a local food truck event :) | 09:08 |
| jonwil | Will clone iir_eq soon | 09:08 |
| jonwil | I mean fir_eq | 09:08 |
| jonwil | shouldn | 09:08 |
| jonwil | shouldn't be that hard to do now that I got the things going | 09:09 |
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| klopsi-u3 | i appreciate your work | 09:21 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | there are bash versions in extras NFC how up to date they are. | 10:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Luke-Jr: I'm in reconvalescence-leave disguised as 'holiday' and not really online, but shoot | 10:39 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer51: I succeeded in recovering from bricking my new http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16881117020 | 10:43 |
| Luke-Jr | now pondering whether to try messing with OpenWrt with the factory software in a chroot, or what | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Luke-Jr: part of my current status implies I cant follow links to newegg :) | 10:45 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer51: network PTZ camera thing aka baby monitor | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | other limitations are around amount of stuff to type and general online time | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah baby phone/cam? | 10:46 |
| Luke-Jr | yeah | 10:47 |
| Luke-Jr | it's pretty nice, except for being semi-proprietary XD | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess you'll need to find the JTAG pins on PCB to unbrick | 10:47 |
| Luke-Jr | finding the UART was enough. UBoot worked and loaded over TFTP | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wow | 10:48 |
| Luke-Jr | hm, rebuilt busybox with df, but it doesn't seem to get valid info | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | smart babyphone :) | 10:48 |
| Luke-Jr | which part? XD | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | some other guy you might want to ask for help is freemangordon, he's also extremely savvy of such low level stuff | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd say 'and wpwrak aka werner' but he's not in here | 10:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Luke-Jr: you say 'unbrick'? then you tell you made it boot via uBoot, so where's the problem? | 10:56 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer51: time delta; in the 5 hours difference, I got it unbricked | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah :) | 10:57 |
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| Luke-Jr | just barely, though | 10:57 |
| klopsi-u3 | so early in the morning | 10:58 |
| KotCzarny | how did you brick it in the first place? | 10:59 |
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| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: web firmware update, with result of their GPL source release | 11:04 |
| Luke-Jr | for some reason, it builds a kernel that can't de-LZMA itself or something | 11:04 |
| Luke-Jr | next annoyance: it seems there's no read-write storage on this that I can get to spawn telnetd at boot | 11:05 |
| Luke-Jr | (nor install a firewall so it doesn't phone home, which is basically my main goal) | 11:05 |
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| jonwil | now that was some AWESOME food : | 11:07 |
| jonwil | :) | 11:07 |
| jonwil | but this code isn't going to write itself :) | 11:07 |
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| Sicelo | stryngs: failed to bring folks together? what happened? | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | people are lazy | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:49 |
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| Sicelo | KotCzarny: last time people were interested (tmo thread) | 11:58 |
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| KotCzarny | interested is one thing, finding the poor mark that will actually do things.. | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:58 |
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| * Sicelo rather thinks the 'project admin' went awol | 12:01 | |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 12:05 |
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| abramelin | Hello | 20:12 |
| abramelin | If I flash the rootfs, will my calendar data, contacts, and similar application data still be intact? | 20:13 |
| abramelin | My N900 got soft-bricked and I need to access that data | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | probably, but: | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | ~bm | 20:13 |
| infobot | methinks backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | how did you brick it? | 20:13 |
| abramelin | Probably apt-get install ffmpeg as root. It returned something about broken packages and now I get a boot loop | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 20:16 |
| abramelin | Although nothing crashed while it was still running | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | but yeah, your data is on emmc | 20:17 |
| abramelin | That's the only thing I can think of. I did an upgrade with app manager even though there seemed to be problems with my catalogues, but I didn't know that can break anything | 20:17 |
| abramelin | ok | 20:17 |
| abramelin | May I ask where, exactly? | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | in /home/user/* ? my n900 is a bit out of my reach now so i cant say exactly the mount point | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | though.. hmm | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | 7255 7254 user R 48 0.0 99.0 gnome-pty-helper | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | weird, first time i see it hogging device | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 1385080 574272 71% /home | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | /dev/mmcblk0p1 28312128 23557248 4754880 83% /home/user/MyDocs | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it should survive flashing, as long you dont flash emmc | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | if you want to backup it just in case, you can boot rescueos and copy contents to sd card | 20:22 |
| drathir | wooow... | 20:27 |
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| drathir | thats ineresting 19:16 < abramelin> Probably apt-get install ffmpeg as root. It returned something about broken packages and now I get a boot loop | 20:28 |
| abramelin | It was the only thing I did as root | 20:28 |
| KotCzarny | drathir, most likely broken dependencies that got sucked along | 20:28 |
| abramelin | But there really was something wrong with my repositories | 20:28 |
| drathir | KotCzarny: i understand upgrade dist-upgrade but ffmpeg? | 20:29 |
| KotCzarny | drathir, that's part of the reason im building oscp with libav linked statically | 20:30 |
| KotCzarny | (libav is fork of ffmpeg aimed at code quality) | 20:30 |
| drathir | that even at battery out shouldnt take down the whole device... ofc in theory... | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | drathir, i suspect he got some lib upgraded in the process to version conflicting with system ones | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | maybe something got uninstalled too | 20:31 |
| * drathir when was workin usb port often plays with apt ofc carefully but not take down the whole device that why suprised me ffmpeg able to take down whole device... | 20:33 | |
| Sicelo | ffmpeg doesn't brick device. i have it installed too. | 20:41 |
| Sicelo | that's part of the reason im building oscp with libav linked statically <<< lol | 20:41 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, i meant dependency hell | 20:41 |
| KotCzarny | ffmpeg in -devel is broken into multiple packages, and they probably depend on whole lot of other things | 20:42 |
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| * Sicelo has never had dependency hell by the way ... or at least i forgot | 20:45 | |
| KotCzarny | or you didnt care | 20:45 |
| Sicelo | i'd care of course. otherwise why would i be installing package in the first place? | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | ever wanted to install package but looking at the list of dependencies to install and thinking 'meh' ? | 20:47 |
| Sicelo | wait ... that's dependency hell? | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | it starts to be when one of the deps isnt available, or is available from multiple conflicting sources | 20:48 |
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| Sicelo | i always thought 'hell' had to do with trouble | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | yes, it leads to trouble eventually | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | even if starts without error | 20:49 |
| Sicelo | i've not had dependency hell for sure :) | 20:49 |
| Sicelo | maybe because i'm selective what i install? but that's a problem i basically never deal with | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | me neither | 20:50 |
| Sicelo | i don't suppose you install only packages with statically built deps? | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, you dont know usually | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | still, oscp is ~5M, and libs it uses aren't used by anything else in the sys | 20:52 |
| Sicelo | oscp | 20:53 |
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| KotCzarny | libav is ~3M, song db is ~1M | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | rest is miniscule | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | now tell me, do you have libav or libxmp installed? | 20:54 |
| Sicelo | i suppose (and my N900 has never got bricked by it) :) | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | mine neither | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | ffmpeg went downhill | 20:55 |
| Sicelo | i don't have libxmp | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | and mind you, both libs are unavailable in -devel (there is libavmini, but its archaic) | 20:57 |
| Sicelo | i don't know what i'd need them for | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | for media decoding | 20:58 |
| Sicelo | such as? | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | .mod, .xm, .s3m, .it etc | 21:00 |
| Sicelo | :) | 21:00 |
| Sicelo | i never play those .. have no single file of that type | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | but if one would have them? | 21:01 |
| Sicelo | .mid is the only other file format i like, and have interest in | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | yes, oscp playes it too | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | using wildmidi | 21:01 |
| Sicelo | simpler for me to install wildmidi and use it directly, than install other stuff i won't ever use | 21:02 |
| Sicelo | which reminds me .. my / is getting too full :( | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | well, but oscp has a gui | 21:02 |
| Sicelo | ;) | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | clickable! | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:03 |
| Sicelo | i'm actually having great fun playing stuff via gstreamer .. so you can guess about gui | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | pity n900 is a tad slow for reverb :/ | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | it makes midis sound much nicer | 21:04 |
| Sicelo | i don't play them so often myself now .. | 21:04 |
| Sicelo | maybe i should keep looking for great sounding patches | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | i've found few | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | if you want the names | 21:05 |
| Sicelo | yes please, if you don't mind | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | 32mbgmst, 8mbgmpat, gdduspat, freepats, pc51f, pplt_150 (small size) timgm6mb (small too) | 21:06 |
| Sicelo | i've used freepats. will look at the others. thanks | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | there is an util to convert sf2 into gus compatible patchsets | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | also add 'unison' to above list | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | s/gdduspat/dgguspat/ | 21:08 |
| Sicelo | they are free? | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | never bothered, but i think i got them from free sites | 21:09 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.hammersound.com/ | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 21:09 |
| Sicelo | what's a nice site with great sounding midis? | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | and as i said, you can grab .sf2 ones | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, style? | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | and mostly its the patchset that matter for good sounding | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | then good rendering engine (current wildmidi is sweet) | 21:11 |
| Sicelo | i meant .. arranged | 21:11 |
| KotCzarny | www.classicalmidiresource.com for classical ones | 21:12 |
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| Sicelo | thx | 21:16 |
| Sicelo | how do i zoom out in fennec? | 21:19 |
| KotCzarny | volume - ? | 21:19 |
| Sicelo | doesn't seem to be working | 21:19 |
| KotCzarny | maybe its busy | 21:19 |
| Sicelo | the site needs login, but the login form is overlaid on the main page (as opposed to be on a separate login page). problem is that the Login button is outside display, and when you pan the form simply moves down | 21:20 |
| Sicelo | :p | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, i didnt use the login | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it changed since tha last time i slurped things from it | 21:21 |
| Sicelo | the problem is from the site, at least partly | 21:21 |
| Sicelo | login works fine for others | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | try noframes version | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.classicalmidiresource.com/archives1.html | 21:21 |
| Sicelo | ah .. sorry .. that's the not the site giving me problem :) | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:22 |
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| KotCzarny | try disabling js | 21:22 |
| Sicelo | vol key working. whew | 21:22 |
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| KotCzarny | on unrelated note adding -msse2 to compile params changed my internal benchmark from 20.9s to 17.6 | 21:42 |
| Vajb | speaking of brwosers maemo.org crashed n900 opera browser | 21:46 |
| Vajb | can anyone see the irony in there? | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | yes, websites are too big for n900 | 21:47 |
| Vajb | :) | 21:47 |
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| jonwil | hi | 21:52 |
| Sicelo | which one? 11 or 12? | 21:52 |
| Sicelo | 12 is known to be finicky | 21:53 |
| Vajb | 12.10.16 | 21:53 |
| Sicelo | that one crashes by itself .. no relationship to the site at all :) | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:54 |
| Sicelo | if you want stability, use 11. | 21:54 |
| Vajb | hmm | 21:54 |
| L29Ah | i wonder how many security holes does the state-of-the-art maemo firefox contain | 21:55 |
| Sicelo | state-of-the art? | 21:55 |
| Vajb | only the small ones.... | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | disable js and you should be quite safe | 21:55 |
| stryngs | Friends don't let friends browse on the n900 | 21:56 |
| stryngs | lynx, ftw. | 21:56 |
| Sicelo | btw, seems fennec doesn't really give you Enter key via vkbd | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | elinks > lynx | 21:56 |
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| L29Ah | Sicelo: the one in the repos | 22:01 |
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| L29Ah | dillo > elinks | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | dillo doesnt run on console | 22:01 |
| L29Ah | who needs console | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | hackers | 22:02 |
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| abramelin | Is it okay to downgrade from CSSU to no CSSU? | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | its unsupported | 22:07 |
| abramelin | I think something went wrong when installing CSSU last time. I think that's what caused the trouble in the first place | 22:07 |
| abramelin | And switching from one CSSU repos to another? | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu | 22:08 |
| infobot | cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | in theory you can reinstall non cssu metapackage and downgrade packages, but i expecte dependency hell | 22:08 |
| abramelin | kk | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | so just use backup menu, backup, reflash, install wanted variant, restore backup | 22:09 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, wtf! swappiness on my N900 is set at 100 | 22:21 |
| abramelin | I think there's something really wrong with my repositories. I don't see ffmpeg in the package list even though I have the appropriate repos | 22:21 |
| abramelin | I have Extras and Extras testing enabled | 22:21 |
| Sicelo | hmm, that's default value, it seems | 22:22 |
| Vajb | Sicelo: yes thats default | 22:23 |
| Vajb | just checked and i have proposed value in use | 22:23 |
| Vajb | (the one that swappolube proposes) | 22:24 |
| * Sicelo goes to wiki to study the reasons for this 100 here | 22:24 | |
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| Sicelo | set it to 30. monitoring | 22:31 |
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| freemangordon | Sicelo: yep, 30 is what you need | 22:46 |
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| KotCzarny | https://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort/VfpComparison | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 23:11 |
| L29Ah | freemangordon: how's mainline on n900 these days? | 23:16 |
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| KotCzarny | wtf is gnome-pty-helper ? | 23:29 |
| Sicelo | https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Get_rid_of_the_gnome-pty-helper_process | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | quite radical, but because it hangs often today when i start the terminal it gets cut, thx | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | it lives in /usr/libexec/ on n900 | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | now it is no more | 23:37 |
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| KotCzarny | hrm | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | binutils from sb1 doesnt play nice with -mfloat-abi=hard | 23:41 |
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| jonwil | freemangordon: ping | 23:44 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: seems to be a setuid helper | 23:56 |
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