IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2015-12-04

KotCzarnybut surprisingly enough, swapped qemu works with a little bit of hacking00:00
* APic likes the UML better than the QEmu. But that is obviously a Matter of Taste.00:02
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KotCzarnywow, multimeg error msg00:08
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Luke-JrDocScrutinizer51: any chance you'd be interested in helping me de-brick some unrelated hardware? XD05:49
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brolin_empeyjonwil: Hello.06:56
freemangordonjonwil: hi06:57
jonwilgood job so far with equ stuff06:57
freemangordontoldya, equ stuff is easy06:57
freemangordonthough I wonder if you wish to test while I am REing, we can use the original exported functions for what is still missing06:58
jonwilRight now with the way my N900 is, I dont want to dogfood pulseaudio bits or do anything else that might increase the chances of the phone crashing or restarting or doing other things that might get in the way. I do plan to look at some more REing soon though07:00
freemangordonRE PA or something else?07:00
jonwilmore PA related things07:01
jonwilHave a fiddle with the Harmattan blobs07:01
freemangordongreat. What do you plan to RE, to not do the same stuff?07:02
jonwilwhat do you plan to do next?07:02
freemangordonfir, maybe07:02
freemangordonbut I'll leave it to you and jump on aep if you say so07:02
jonwilyou go ahead and do fir if you want07:03
freemangordonthe point is that is it easy, because of the x86 Harm blobs07:03
freemangordon*it is07:03
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jonwilDid we find out if the EAP stuff in Harmattan is a usable replacement for the EAP stuff in Fremantle?07:08
freemangordoneap or aep? as we already have the EAP stuff :). however, no, that is still to be done, we need Meego DE N900 parameters I am still to extract from the Meego image I have here07:10
stryngsviva la n90007:10
freemangordonif the parameters are the same, I guess the algos are as well07:10
stryngsOut of curiosity, why have things, like ca-certificates, not been updated since 2011?07:10
jonwilyeah aep07:10
stryngsWhat gives with that07:10
jonwilstryngs: Installing the Community SSU on your N900 will give you something more up to date07:11
jonwilNokia stopped suppoting the N900 years ago07:11
jonwiland the community is now releasing fixes and improvements07:11
stryngsjonwil: u have ssu?07:12
jonwilI am not running the Community SSU on my own phone for various reasons (mostly related to the dev work I am doing) but lots of people run it07:12
jonwilAnd its certainly safe to run07:12
stryngsI just hate the disjointed effort jonwil07:13
stryngsI tried to bring folks together, failed miserably...07:13
jonwilwhat do you mean disjointed effort?07:13
stryngsjonwil: Nobody gives a damn07:13
stryngsjonwil: I love the maemo community, but, truth be told, not many folks give a rats ass07:14
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stryngsjonwil: i.e.07:14
stryngsWhat's the latest bash version with ssu?07:14
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stryngsWhy are we still vuln to ghost07:14
stryngsNobody gives a true darn.07:14
jonwilI care07:15
jonwilI care about the security of my device07:15
jonwilbut Bash isn't something that runs on the phone by default07:15
jonwilBusybox shell does07:16
jonwilso less people care about that than a stock package07:16
stryngsjonwil: Yeah, but busybox sucks07:17
stryngsjonwil: Why not run something with more HP?07:17
jonwilBash isnt even part of communmity SSU either, its part of extras07:18
stryngsIt should be standardized07:18
stryngsjonwil: imho anyways07:18
jonwilnot really, cssu isn't for extra things like bash, cssu is for updates to existing packages like openssl or mce or connui-home-cellular07:19
jonwiland if you really want the latest bash on the N900, compile it youself :07:22
jonwilyourself :)07:22
jonwilme, I have audio blobs to play with07:22
klopsi-u3 jonwil speaking of audio blobs07:24
klopsi-u3 what do you think of this
jonwilNot my kind of music :)07:27
jonwilThis is my kind of music :)07:28
* stryngs prefers type of music07:29
stryngsSquirtin in the usa07:29
* stryngs waits for kick07:29
freemangordonrelax, doc is on holiday :D07:30
ds3UML? does UML work on ARM?07:34
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Luke-Jrwhy wouldn't it?07:50
jonwilok, its clear there is absolutely nothing I can do with aep (Fremantle blobs, Harmattan blobs or MeeGo blobs) so I will play with eq stuff07:58
jonwilFreemangordon: Looks like fir_eq structure is different in Harmattan and Fremantle, can you help me figure it out?08:06
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jonwilhmmm, its not so different after all, I think I am figuring it out08:31
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jonwilok, now I am stick again, I cant figure out what the last two fields of fir_eq are nor can I figure out if the IFIREQ_Status structure used by Harmattan is a 100% match to what Fremantle expects to receive in fir_eq_change_params08:53
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jonwilok, confirmed that IFIREQ_Status matches Frematnle09:07
jonwilcant find any users of those 2 variables09:07
jonwilso I think I am good to go on cloning this now09:07
jonwilexcept that now I am planning to go out (going to a local food truck event :)09:08
jonwilWill clone iir_eq soon09:08
jonwilI mean fir_eq09:08
jonwilshouldn't be that hard to do now that I got the things going09:09
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klopsi-u3i appreciate your work09:21
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sixwheeledbeastthere are bash versions in extras NFC how up to date they are.10:05
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DocScrutinizer51Luke-Jr: I'm in reconvalescence-leave disguised as 'holiday' and not really online, but shoot10:39
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer51: I succeeded in recovering from bricking my new
Luke-Jrnow pondering whether to try messing with OpenWrt with the factory software in a chroot, or what10:44
DocScrutinizer51Luke-Jr: part of my current status implies I cant follow links to newegg :)10:45
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer51: network PTZ camera thing aka baby monitor10:46
DocScrutinizer51other limitations are around amount of stuff to type and general online time10:46
DocScrutinizer51aah baby phone/cam?10:46
Luke-Jrit's pretty nice, except for being semi-proprietary XD10:47
DocScrutinizer51I guess you'll need to find the JTAG pins on PCB to unbrick10:47
Luke-Jrfinding the UART was enough. UBoot worked and loaded over TFTP10:48
Luke-Jrhm, rebuilt busybox with df, but it doesn't seem to get valid info10:48
DocScrutinizer51smart babyphone :)10:48
Luke-Jrwhich part? XD10:49
DocScrutinizer51some other guy you might want to ask for help is freemangordon, he's also extremely savvy of such low level stuff10:49
DocScrutinizer51I'd say 'and wpwrak aka werner' but he's not in here10:51
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DocScrutinizer51Luke-Jr: you say 'unbrick'? then you tell you made it boot via uBoot, so where's the problem?10:56
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer51: time delta; in the 5 hours difference, I got it unbricked10:56
DocScrutinizer51aah :)10:57
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Luke-Jrjust barely, though10:57
klopsi-u3so early in the morning10:58
KotCzarnyhow did you brick it in the first place?10:59
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Luke-JrKotCzarny: web firmware update, with result of their GPL source release11:04
Luke-Jrfor some reason, it builds a kernel that can't de-LZMA itself or something11:04
Luke-Jrnext annoyance: it seems there's no read-write storage on this that I can get to spawn telnetd at boot11:05
Luke-Jr(nor install a firewall so it doesn't phone home, which is basically my main goal)11:05
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jonwilnow that was some AWESOME food :11:07
jonwilbut this code isn't going to write itself :)11:07
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Sicelostryngs: failed to bring folks together? what happened?11:44
KotCzarnypeople are lazy11:49
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SiceloKotCzarny: last time people were interested (tmo thread)11:58
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KotCzarnyinterested is one thing, finding the poor mark that will actually do things..11:58
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zGrrmoin :)12:05
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abramelinIf I flash the rootfs, will my calendar data, contacts, and similar application data still be intact?20:13
abramelinMy N900 got soft-bricked and I need to access that data20:13
KotCzarnyprobably, but:20:13
infobotmethinks backupmenu is
KotCzarnyhow did you brick it?20:13
abramelinProbably apt-get install ffmpeg as root. It returned something about broken packages and now I get a boot loop20:16
abramelinAlthough nothing crashed while it was still running20:16
KotCzarnybut yeah, your data is on emmc20:17
abramelinThat's the only thing I can think of. I did an upgrade with app manager even though there seemed to be problems with my catalogues, but I didn't know that can break anything20:17
abramelinMay I ask where, exactly?20:17
KotCzarnyin /home/user/* ? my n900 is a bit out of my reach now so i cant say exactly the mount point20:18
KotCzarnythough.. hmm20:18
KotCzarny 7255  7254 user     R       48  0.0 99.0 gnome-pty-helper20:20
KotCzarnyweird, first time i see it hogging device20:20
KotCzarny /dev/mmcblk0p2         2064208   1385080    574272  71% /home20:21
KotCzarny /dev/mmcblk0p1        28312128  23557248   4754880  83% /home/user/MyDocs20:21
KotCzarnyyeah, it should survive flashing, as long you dont flash emmc20:21
KotCzarnyif you want to backup it just in case, you can boot rescueos and copy contents to sd card20:22
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drathirthats ineresting 19:16 < abramelin> Probably apt-get install ffmpeg as root. It returned something  about broken packages and now I get a boot loop20:28
abramelinIt was the only thing I did as root20:28
KotCzarnydrathir, most likely broken dependencies that got sucked along20:28
abramelinBut there really was something wrong with my repositories20:28
drathirKotCzarny: i understand upgrade dist-upgrade but ffmpeg?20:29
KotCzarnydrathir, that's part of the reason im building oscp with libav linked statically20:30
KotCzarny(libav is fork of ffmpeg aimed at code quality)20:30
drathirthat even at battery out shouldnt take down the whole device... ofc in theory...20:31
KotCzarnydrathir, i suspect he got some lib upgraded in the process to version conflicting with system ones20:31
KotCzarnymaybe something got uninstalled too20:31
* drathir when was workin usb port often plays with apt ofc carefully but not take down the whole device that why suprised me ffmpeg able to take down whole device...20:33
Siceloffmpeg doesn't brick device. i have it installed too.20:41
Sicelothat's part of the reason im building oscp with libav linked statically <<< lol20:41
KotCzarnysicelo, i meant dependency hell20:41
KotCzarnyffmpeg in -devel is broken into multiple packages, and they probably depend on whole lot of other things20:42
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* Sicelo has never had dependency hell by the way ... or at least i forgot20:45
KotCzarnyor you didnt care20:45
Siceloi'd care of course. otherwise why would i be installing package in the first place?20:47
KotCzarnyever wanted to install package but looking at the list of dependencies to install and thinking 'meh' ?20:47
Sicelowait ... that's dependency hell?20:48
KotCzarnyit starts to be when one of the deps isnt available, or is available from multiple conflicting sources20:48
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Siceloi always thought 'hell' had to do with trouble20:48
KotCzarnyyes, it leads to trouble eventually20:49
KotCzarnyeven if starts without error20:49
Siceloi've not had dependency hell for sure :)20:49
Sicelomaybe because i'm selective what i install? but that's a problem i basically never deal with20:50
KotCzarnyme neither20:50
Siceloi don't suppose you install only packages with statically built deps?20:51
KotCzarnysicelo, you dont know usually20:51
KotCzarnystill, oscp is ~5M, and libs it uses aren't used by anything else in the sys20:52
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KotCzarnylibav is ~3M, song db is ~1M20:53
KotCzarnyrest is miniscule20:53
KotCzarnynow tell me, do you have libav or libxmp installed?20:54
Siceloi suppose (and my N900 has never got bricked by it) :)20:54
KotCzarnymine neither20:55
KotCzarnyffmpeg went downhill20:55
Siceloi don't have libxmp20:56
KotCzarnyand mind you, both libs are unavailable in -devel (there is libavmini, but its archaic)20:57
Siceloi don't know what i'd need them for20:58
KotCzarnyfor media decoding20:58
Sicelosuch as?20:59
KotCzarny.mod, .xm, .s3m, .it etc21:00
Siceloi never play those .. have no single file of that type21:00
KotCzarnybut if one would have them?21:01
Sicelo.mid is the only other file format i like, and have interest in21:01
KotCzarnyyes, oscp playes it too21:01
KotCzarnyusing wildmidi21:01
Sicelosimpler for me to install wildmidi and use it directly, than install other stuff i won't ever use21:02
Sicelowhich reminds me .. my / is getting too full :(21:02
KotCzarnywell, but oscp has a gui21:02
Siceloi'm actually having great fun playing stuff via gstreamer .. so you can guess about gui21:03
KotCzarnypity n900 is a tad slow for reverb :/21:04
KotCzarnyit makes midis sound much nicer21:04
Siceloi don't play them so often myself now ..21:04
Sicelomaybe i should keep looking for great sounding patches21:05
KotCzarnyi've found few21:05
KotCzarnyif you want the names21:05
Siceloyes please, if you don't mind21:06
KotCzarny32mbgmst, 8mbgmpat, gdduspat, freepats, pc51f, pplt_150 (small size) timgm6mb (small too)21:06
Siceloi've used freepats. will look at the others. thanks21:06
KotCzarnythere is an util to convert sf2 into gus compatible patchsets21:06
KotCzarnyalso add 'unison' to above list21:08
Sicelothey are free?21:09
KotCzarnynever bothered, but i think i got them from free sites21:09
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Sicelowhat's a nice site with great sounding midis?21:10
KotCzarnyand as i said, you can grab .sf2 ones21:10
KotCzarnysicelo, style?21:10
KotCzarnyand mostly its the patchset that matter for good sounding21:10
KotCzarnythen good rendering engine (current wildmidi is sweet)21:11
Siceloi meant .. arranged21:11 for classical ones21:12
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Sicelohow do i zoom out in fennec?21:19
KotCzarnyvolume - ?21:19
Sicelodoesn't seem to be working21:19
KotCzarnymaybe its busy21:19
Sicelothe site needs login, but the login form is overlaid on the main page (as opposed to be on a separate login page). problem is that the Login button is outside display, and when you pan the form simply moves down21:20
KotCzarnyhmm, i didnt use the login21:20
KotCzarnymaybe it changed since tha last time i slurped things from it21:21
Sicelothe problem is from the site, at least partly21:21
Sicelologin works fine for others21:21
KotCzarnytry noframes version21:21
Siceloah .. sorry .. that's the not the site giving me problem :)21:22
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KotCzarnytry disabling js21:22
Sicelovol key working. whew21:22
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KotCzarnyon unrelated note adding -msse2 to compile params changed my internal benchmark from 20.9s to 17.621:42
Vajbspeaking of brwosers crashed n900 opera browser21:46
Vajbcan anyone see the irony in there?21:47
KotCzarnyyes, websites are too big for n90021:47
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Sicelowhich one? 11 or 12?21:52
Sicelo12 is known to be finicky21:53
Sicelothat one crashes by itself .. no relationship to the site at all :)21:53
Siceloif you want stability, use 11.21:54
L29Ahi wonder how many security holes does the state-of-the-art maemo firefox contain21:55
Sicelostate-of-the art?21:55
Vajbonly the small ones....21:55
KotCzarnydisable js and you should be quite safe21:55
stryngsFriends don't let friends browse on the n90021:56
stryngslynx, ftw.21:56
Sicelobtw, seems fennec doesn't really give you Enter key via vkbd21:56
KotCzarnyelinks > lynx21:56
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L29AhSicelo: the one in the repos22:01
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L29Ahdillo > elinks22:01
KotCzarnydillo doesnt run on console22:01
L29Ahwho needs console22:02
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abramelinIs it okay to downgrade from CSSU to no CSSU?22:07
KotCzarnyits unsupported22:07
abramelinI think something went wrong when installing CSSU last time. I think that's what caused the trouble in the first place22:07
abramelinAnd switching from one CSSU repos to another?22:07
infobotcssu is, like,, or (Community Seamless Software Update)22:08
KotCzarnyin theory you can reinstall non cssu metapackage and downgrade packages, but i expecte dependency hell22:08
KotCzarnyso just use backup menu, backup, reflash, install wanted variant, restore backup22:09
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Sicelohmm, wtf! swappiness on my N900 is set at 10022:21
abramelinI think there's something really wrong with my repositories. I don't see ffmpeg in the package list even though I have the appropriate repos22:21
abramelinI have Extras and Extras testing enabled22:21
Sicelohmm, that's default value, it seems22:22
VajbSicelo: yes thats default22:23
Vajbjust checked and i have proposed value in use22:23
Vajb(the one that swappolube proposes)22:24
* Sicelo goes to wiki to study the reasons for this 100 here22:24
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Siceloset it to 30. monitoring22:31
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freemangordonSicelo: yep, 30 is what you need22:46
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L29Ahfreemangordon: how's mainline on n900 these days?23:16
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KotCzarnywtf is gnome-pty-helper ?23:29
KotCzarnyquite radical, but because it hangs often today when i start the terminal it gets cut, thx23:35
KotCzarnyit lives in /usr/libexec/ on n90023:37
KotCzarnynow it is no more23:37
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KotCzarnybinutils from sb1 doesnt play nice with -mfloat-abi=hard23:41
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jonwilfreemangordon: ping23:44
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sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: seems to be a setuid helper23:56
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