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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I was curious to know if I truly can use a CF HDD (CompactMagnetic) in my Canon PowerShot G6 because a CF card using flash memory (literally CompactFlash) is a Type I card (3.3 mm thick) but a CF HDD is a Type II card (5 mm thick). [1] explicitly says “Compact Flash Type I or Type II (Slot 2)” and “IBM Microdrive supported”. | 00:26 |
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| brolin_empey | [1] http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong6/2 | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | type is only for thickness | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash#Type_I_and_Type_II | 00:27 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Yes, I know. If the PowerShot G6 can use only a Type I card, I cannot even try to use a CF HDD unless I can find a CF HDD that is a Type I card. | 00:29 |
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| KotCzarny | um, but that spec you've pasted sayd g6 supports type i and ii (and microdrives) | 00:30 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: You are misunderstanding me. Days ago, I mentioned in this channel that it would be novel to use a CF HDD in my PowerShot G6. At that time, I thought that a CF HDD can fit in all CF slots/connectors because I forgot that there are multiple thicknesses (Types) of CF cards because I have used only Type I cards because I have used only literal CompactFlash, not CompactMagnetic. Today I researched the subject to see if using a CF HDD in the | 00:35 |
| brolin_empey | PowerShot G6 is possible in practice. | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | ok, what is cf hdd you are talking about, microdrive? | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/5/0900001295/01/PSG6CUG-EN.pdf | 00:37 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I do not have a CF HDD. | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | manual for g6 says it works with type 1 and 2 | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | page 199 | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | what other info you need? | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | but you can buy bigger cf flash cards than microdrives, and probably much faster too | 00:39 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I know that. As I said before, my interest in a CF HDD is only because it would be novel to use magnetic storage in this application, like the Sony DSC that uses a 3.5-inch flexible disc drive. | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ it would work (unless you get some early microdrive that draws more than type ii spec), 2/ it will be slower and less reliable (shocks) | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | modrana should observe a reasonable memlimit when downloading map data (rather: trying to download) Trying a level18 download of 20km radius goes straight to swap hell before even starting actual data transfer | 01:01 |
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| * brolin_empey just noticed that “swap” is “paws” backwards. | 01:42 | |
| Ras_Older | good catch there :D | 01:57 |
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| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: Hey | 04:25 |
| Airwave | It showed up in dmesg, and it showed up as a removable device. | 04:26 |
| Airwave | And on the phone, the battery indicator is showing a charging animation now. Nice. | 04:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | your device seems OK. Wallcharger missing D*- line short | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~charging | 04:29 |
| Airwave | Okay | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm no such factoid? strange | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | after charging battery for 2h from PC, you may start flashing. You can try before but it might not work and simply fall back to charging, then you need to wait a bit longer | 04:31 |
| Airwave | Okay. | 04:32 |
| Airwave | I'll wait. No rush. | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what does battery indicator show whan you stop charging (unplug)? What's displaued for battery status in the systray menu? | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: ^ | 04:39 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: Like roughly how many % full it is when I unplug it? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, how many? | 04:40 |
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| Airwave | I'd say roughly 10%. | 04:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | when you click on the battery icon, what does it show for battery status? | 04:42 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: Just says "battery." | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, no CSSU installed | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | charge for 2h | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lock the screen with side slide lockswitch, this will significantly speed up charging | 04:46 |
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| Airwave | Okay. | 04:46 |
| Airwave | I might go to bed before it finishes charging then, but in that case I'll just flash it in the morning. | 04:47 |
| Airwave | I really appreciate all the help, by the way. | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: meanwhile you can download the flasjing script and see if you need to install 32bit libusb on your PC | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems most 64bit systems don't come with 32bit support per default nowadays | 04:55 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: I just run flasher-3.5 and see if it complains about missing libraries? | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | simply download and start the flashitall.sh and see if it drops an error | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 04:56 |
| Airwave | Runs fine. | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | great | 04:57 |
| Airwave | My package manager says that I have 32-bit libusb as well. | 04:57 |
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| Airwave | Well, it's been two hours now. | 06:42 |
| Airwave | Time to get cracking, I suppose. | 06:42 |
| Airwave | Okay, the flashing seems to have gone fine. I'm booting it back up again now. | 06:51 |
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| Airwave | The muarf mirror has "read WARNING" in the name. Which warning is this referring to? | 07:03 |
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| jonwil | hi | 08:27 |
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| brolin_empey | jonwil: ’lo. | 10:43 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: pong | 11:02 |
| jonwil | Made a bit more progress | 11:02 |
| freemangordon | great | 11:03 |
| * freemangordon is going to check on github | 11:03 | |
| jonwil | Done all I can do for now I think | 11:03 |
| freemangordon | looks good | 11:03 |
| freemangordon | will try to do more stuff today | 11:04 |
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| jonwil | I dont even want to think about the mess that is aep | 11:22 |
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| jonwil | Freemangordon: If you can figure out what the inline functions voice_cmt_dl_is_active_iothread and voice_cmt_ul_is_active_iothread actually look like, that will make it possible to clone a bunch more of the pulseaudio bits. Also, any information you have (or can figure out) about the functions (in Fremantle nokia-voice) at addresses 434DC, 4456C and 436CC would be very useful | 11:34 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: ok, just lemme finish voip_source_process_msg and voip_sink_process_msg | 11:45 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: 434DC looks like div | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | 4456C raises SIGFPE when 434dc tetects division by zero :) | 12:33 |
| freemangordon | 436CC looks like a wrapper | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | all praise to 434DC! it saves out n900 from sploding! | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | *our | 12:34 |
| freemangordon | :) | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | but seriously, i admire you two for doing that hard work | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | keep REing! | 12:35 |
| freemangordon | wanna join? | 12:36 |
| freemangordon | it is not that much remaining | 12:37 |
| freemangordon | just one AEP alog and a couple of functions :) | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | too little asm knowledge, and i'm hacking at my project atm | 12:37 |
| freemangordon | *algo | 12:37 |
| freemangordon | you don't need asm actually, IDA does it to C code for you | 12:37 |
| freemangordon | though saying "just one AEP" might give you wrong impression, actually that beast is huge and complicated | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | i would love to join, but i have to pass it for now | 12:39 |
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| Airwave | The muarf mirror has "read WARNING" in the name. Which warning is this referring to? | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | where? | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | package manager? apt? website? | 13:03 |
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| Airwave | KotCzarny: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf.install | 13:05 |
| Airwave | Linked from https://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29 | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | ask the doc, its his site | 13:06 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: ^ | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | but i guess it refers to the warning on the wiki page | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | most likely to this: # nokia is no more, muarf.org is private mirror | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | if you dont care about legal mumbo jumbo and just want nokia repo mirror you can safely ignore that warning | 13:07 |
| Airwave | Okay. Thanks. | 13:09 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: https://github.com/community-ssu/pulseaudio-nokia/commit/376f1a026f5fd964dff57b7aada95b0bb6baf6d5 | 13:25 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: pull the next commit as well | 13:28 |
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| baboo | hello its my first time here,can i know why my ip is is blacklosted on maemo(newly) and how could be solved? | 13:35 |
| baboo | i can access maemo.org, but not talk.maemo.org | 13:37 |
| freemangordon | ~techstaff | 13:43 |
| freemangordon | ~ping | 13:43 |
| freemangordon | she is dead :( | 13:43 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: ^^^ | 13:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 too | 13:44 | |
| freemangordon | amen | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ask chem|st | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | about IP whitelisting | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | email timriker about ibot | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or just wait | 13:47 |
| baboo | ok | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | and check if your ip isnt in any spam db | 13:57 |
| jonwil | freemangordon: what do you plan to work on next? | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | because it actually is | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/185.72.219.1 | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | that info on maemo site should state it more clearly what is happening and what should user do | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | maybe setup readonly mode for the same db? | 13:58 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: not sure. fir maybe | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: could you check if ibot or apt or purl are still online? if yes, I can do sth about the bot | 14:03 |
| jonwil | btw its clear from the info we have that voice_cmt_ul_is_active_iothread and voice_cmt_dl_is_active_iothread should be in voice-cmtspeech.h not voice-cmtspeech.c and also they clearly dont have the ENTER | 14:03 |
| jonwil | ENTER() macro at the start | 14:04 |
| jonwil | otherwise there would be a debug log call that macro | 14:04 |
| jonwil | and there isn't | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is_active sounds like a boolean test | 14:05 |
| jonwil | yeah both return pa_bool_t : | 14:05 |
| jonwil | ) | 14:05 |
| jonwil | :) | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's a 4-liner, no much use in debugging it | 14:06 |
| brolin_empey | http://www.pcjs.org/devices/pc/machine/5160/cga/256kb/win101/ | 14:07 |
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| baboo_ | i dont really get what i should do, i have a limited knowledge concerning all these stuff | 14:08 |
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| KotCzarny | baboo_: 1/ get an external ip (if its your home), or 2/ get a proxy without kids accessing it | 14:14 |
| KotCzarny | and you can 3/ send an email to tech staff at meamoe.org | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody checked if ibot or apt or purl is online? | 14:15 |
| jonwil | in any case it doesn't look like having voice_cmt_ul_is_active_iothread/voice_cmt_dl_is_active_iothread makes the remaining functions easier to reverse engineer | 14:15 |
| jonwil | Some of the missing stuff uses ARM FP | 14:15 |
| jonwil | ARM FPU instructions (something I cant decode) | 14:16 |
| jonwil | well FPU or NEON (same difference to me, I cant understand that stuff at all) | 14:16 |
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| baboo_ | ok i guess its better to contact someone from staff, who shall i contact? | 14:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | baboo_: ping chem|st | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or send a mail to techstaff AT maemo org | 14:21 |
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| baboo_ | how to ping him?sorry but its my first time here | 14:24 |
| jonwil | Looks like we are very close to having all the functions that touch PulseAudio completed :) | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: sorry I'm semi-offline and purl and ibot also not online. Zilch I can do before xmas. when you send a mail to tim riker. include subject 'greetings from DocScrutinizer, please restart infobot" | 14:26 |
| KotCzarny | that infobot is down a lot nowadays | 14:27 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: I flashed my phone this morning, and now I have CSSU running on my phone. Thanks a lot for the help! | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yw :) a.so welcome to this nice community | 14:32 |
| Airwave | Not sure exactly what to do with this thing now though. ;-) I just bought it used kinda for fun. Considering upgrading it to a Neo900 when that becomes available. | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | airwave, are you going to use it as a phone, smartphone or pocket linux ? | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | note that Neo900 is quite pricey and built to order | 14:34 |
| Airwave | KotCzarny: If I got Neo900, I'd use it as a smartphone. This N900 I probably won't use for much other than playing around with. | 14:35 |
| KotCzarny | airwave, it actually has a lot to offer, assuming you are familiar with linux and hacking things | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | main stopping point are old kernel/glibc and limited memory | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it's just pocket linux computer with phone module | 14:36 |
| Airwave | KotCzarny: I'm a GNU/Linux sysadmin, so I'm quite familiar. :-) | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | i guess you have installed ssh already and root access | 14:37 |
| Airwave | Yeah. | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | there are some pentest tools available | 14:37 |
| Airwave | That's handy. | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: you *wnt* to get: simple brightness applet | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | also, some puzzle apps come handy for bathroom time | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and possibly 2G/3G selector | 14:38 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: Got it now. Thanks for the tip! | 14:38 |
| Airwave | KotCzarny: :-D | 14:38 |
| Airwave | I'm kind of a free software guy, so if I could get this thing running with mostly just FOSS, that would be really neat. | 14:39 |
| Airwave | Would be nice to remove all of this Facebook and Amazon stuff that I don't really want. | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | and if you play music there are quite a few players available, having cssu install omp (open media player) or my oscp if you prefer directory based browsing/using | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | yes, you can | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: pro tip: press and hold the rectangle left side. when it vanishes (and backlight state toggled) drag your finger to not get a pen-up event in the app with focus | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Slimming_OS | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: you can uninstall all that silly cruft quite easily | 14:41 |
| Airwave | Thanks for the tips guys. | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: one WARNING: maemo is not a plain debian, regarding apt and dpkg | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | NEVER think you could do a upgrade or dist-upgrade | 14:42 |
| Airwave | That's good to know. Thanks. | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | basically whole maemo is one large metapkg | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | keeping that in mind, it's easy going | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you should visit jrtools ;) | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas I lack the URL now that infobot is MIA | 14:45 |
| Airwave | What's jrtools? | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | something like wiki.maemo.org/user:joerg_rw/tools | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | airwave, its bunch of his tips/hacks | 14:46 |
| Airwave | Cool, thanks. | 14:47 |
| Airwave | I have this issue where when I try to scroll, I accidentally click instead. Any tips on avoiding that? | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | use stylus | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | press harder | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this is a resistive ts | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | use fingernail | 14:48 |
| Airwave | Okay, thanks. | 14:48 |
| inz | resisitve ts tries to resist you doing anything, you gotta do harder! | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | if you find some tool missing, its usually in extras-devel, and if you dont want to trust unknown compiles, you can install scratchbox and compile things yourself | 14:49 |
| KotCzarny | inz: what does capacitive do? | 14:49 |
| KotCzarny | caps you? | 14:49 |
| inz | KotCzarny, maybe capsize, not sure | 14:51 |
| KotCzarny | and touchscreen touches you | 14:52 |
| inz | maybe in soviet russia | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: again re Neo900: it never will 'become available' in a sense you can head out and shop it. Its built to order for those who preordered | 14:53 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: You're right. Thanks for the correction. | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just a heads up :D | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MAYBE we will roll a second batch when first one becomes so popular we thet we get enough preorders for that 2nd batch | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and IFF we can source more of the needed components | 14:55 |
| Airwave | I haven't decided whether or not to preorder. | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, it's a tough decision | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :) | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | once you learn to know and love your N900, it gets easier though | 14:57 |
| Airwave | :-D | 14:58 |
| Airwave | While I do think the N900 is a very nice phone (loving that physical keyboard), the biggest selling point for me is the free software aspect. | 14:58 |
| inz | "How I learned to stop worrying and love the N900" | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | airwave: firmware blobs or user software? | 14:59 |
| Airwave | KotCzarny: Both are important, but I place a higher value on the user software being free. | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Neo900 will be even better in FOSS regard, since it doesn't need closed blob NOLO bootloader and no obfuscated crappy ISI interface to modem | 15:00 |
| jonwil | Airwave: You will be happy to know that we are working to make one of the core components for audio on the N900 open source by reverse engineering it | 15:01 |
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| jonwil | And we have made a number of other key system components open source too like MCE | 15:01 |
| Airwave | My current phone is Samsung Galaxy S3 running CyanogenMod with F-Droid and no Google apps. I would use Replicant, but it doesn't support USSD codes, which I need for work. | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what? replicant doe no USSD??? WTF! | 15:02 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: The isolated modem aspect of the Neo900 is a big selling point for me. | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :D | 15:02 |
| Airwave | jonwil: That's excellent news. | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ta | 15:02 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: Samsung-RIL doesn't support USSD codes yet (http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/Samsung-RIL) | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: I did my very best to design the best phone I could think of | 15:03 |
| inz | Airwave, thanks for mentioning replicant, hadn't heard of it, maybe I'll try it on my Nexus S | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OHMY the RIL | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what a crap | 15:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 is so happy Neo900 won't need any friggin RIL | 15:04 | |
| Airwave | inz: It's pretty neat, but most phones are missing some notable features because of missing blobs: http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/ReplicantStatus | 15:05 |
| Airwave | You could extract the blobs from the corresponding CM image and install them yourself though. | 15:05 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: The three things I dislike about my phone are: 1. No physical keyboard. 2. Some of the hardware requires blobs. 3. Poor modem isolation. | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | funny sidenote: N900 also didn't know USSD and 2-digit starhash codes initially, until finallly: starhash-enabler | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder why people buy such phones in the first place if they are unhappy, 'vote with your wallet' is powerful | 15:06 |
| Airwave | The Neo900 improves or fixes every single one of these. | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, of course it does | 15:07 |
| jonwil | The biggest missing open piece hardware wise on N900 is the PowerVR GPU drivers (used both for X11 via xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and for OpenGLES) | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's been topmost design goal | 15:07 |
| jonwil | As for Neo900 and cellular modem, Neo900 will definitely need some sort of cellular modem daemon that talks to the cellular module | 15:08 |
| jonwil | and exposes some sort of interface | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jonwil: yeah, annoying. But no showstopper | 15:08 |
| jonwil | (dbus probably) to the upper level of the system | 15:08 |
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| jonwil | The hard part there is figuring out what the various nokia dbus interfaces do so we can be compatible (since we want to be able to use stock N900 dialer app and things on Neo900 last I checked) | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ack | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | don't miss to check fso | 15:09 |
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| Airwave | Which operating system are people planning on installing on their Neo900s? | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fre smartphone org, of mickey lauer | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: I guess most want maemo | 15:10 |
| jonwil | but yeah the audio blobs and GPU driver are the 2 biggest missing pieces in regards to FOSS and hardware | 15:10 |
| jonwil | on Neo900 | 15:10 |
| jonwil | and indeed on N900 | 15:10 |
| jonwil | As mentioned, audio blobs are in the process of being cloned | 15:11 |
| jonwil | I dont think anyone out there has any real willingness to do anything with the GPU drivers though | 15:11 |
| Wizzup | jonwil: can't ofono do that? | 15:11 |
| Airwave | GPU driver is probably harder to reverse engineer, right? | 15:11 |
| inz | Airwave, I might have some versions of the blobs lying on disk already; already have self-built AOSP after some dev work on it | 15:11 |
| Wizzup | Airwave: just forget about the gpu driver :) | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Wizzup: we got FSO, why use dang ofono? | 15:11 |
| Wizzup | If that works, then that is fine too | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it already worked on SHR on Neo900 prot-v1 | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and generally SHR worked on Freerunner just fine | 15:13 |
| Airwave | inz: If you need any help getting it to work, let me know. I think I remember how to do it. | 15:13 |
| Airwave | Okay, this is pretty neat. I'm playing Heroes of Might and Magic 2 on my phone. | 15:13 |
| Airwave | I love this game. | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:14 |
| Airwave | Maybe this should be my main phone after all. :-D | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | buy bigger battery then | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it for sure is for me ;) | 15:14 |
| Airwave | Where should I buy another battery? eBay? | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | since 5 years | 15:15 |
| jonwil | but yeah whatever we use (ofono, FSO, whatever) we need to expose the right dbus interfaces that the stock apps are looking for :) | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | polarcell is known to be good (and has ~1500mAh) | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, 2nd battery is a good idea | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | if you want bigger, either hack the 2 in parallel, or go mugen (its ~2400mAh) | 15:16 |
| Airwave | The guy I bought it from actually gave me two extra batteries. | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jonwil: yep | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: ooh nice | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | did you already check their capacity :D | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you know we have decent battery gas gauge in N900 | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | where's the damn bot? GRRRR | 15:17 |
| Airwave | Wow, it's three extra batteries, actually. | 15:18 |
| Airwave | They all say 1320 mAh. | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | actual or just printed? | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if only I had checked my router's port forwards befor leaving | 15:18 |
| Wizzup | for me personally, maemo would ideally mostly stay the same, but actually be updated against recent libraries, with a recent kernel. of course a prerequisite for that is that all the parts are open | 15:18 |
| Wizzup | for example, openssl 0.9.8 support is being dropped as of the last release, apparently | 15:18 |
| Wizzup | even for security fixes, etc | 15:18 |
| Airwave | KotCzarny: How could I check? By plugging then in and checking in software? | 15:19 |
| inz | Airwave, ok, not sure if ill have any time to fiddle with it tho | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | airwave, if you have cssu it will report capacity | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | if you've changed batteries just wait 1-2 cycles | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | and then click on the statusbar | 15:19 |
| Airwave | Neat. | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: bq27200.sh | 15:19 |
| Airwave | How do I enter the application switcher when I'm running a full screen program? | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | ctrl-backspace | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 15:20 |
| Airwave | That works. Thanks. | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: there's always ctrl-bs | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I use it with the right gconf key like alt-tab on desktop | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see jrtools | 15:21 |
| Airwave | This display is pretty nice for a device this old. | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I need to pimp this N900 xchat to have some udeful macros | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's almost sufficient for roaming a few weeks, but I miss my bookmarks | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and when even dang bot is MIA... :-S | 15:23 |
| Airwave | I feel like this phone is more of a portable computer instead of just a toy like most smartphones these days. | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: you bet it is | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | pocket linux computer | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | with phone app | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | remember, it started as nit (nokia internet tablet) | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alltime meme: N900 is *not* a phone | 15:24 |
| Airwave | I've always really disliked smartphones because of the touch screen keyboard and the toy OS. | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I dont want 'apps' | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and themes | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and ringtones | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I want /etc ;) | 15:25 |
| Airwave | You said it! :-D | 15:25 |
| KotCzarny | pity its one of the very few such devices, and after 6 years after its introduction, still useful | 15:25 |
| Airwave | Yeah | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | one positive side is that it can be bought second hand for ~20-50usd | 15:26 |
| Airwave | Can I sync contacts and calendars over CardDAV and CalDAV with this phone? | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | there been some solutions | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's linux ;) | 15:27 |
| Airwave | ;-) | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | calendar is evolution iirc | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | contacts you can export and import e.g. with a script you find in maemo.cloud-u.de/maemo/usr/bin or somesuch | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cloud-7 even | 15:30 |
| Airwave | Okay, thanks. | 15:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | also the stock maemo 'backup' creates tarballs | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with XML iirc | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | vcard | 15:31 |
| Airwave | Nice | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | backup's 'restore' is quite nice, you can select which apps to install - though it installs them from repo, not from backup tarball | 15:32 |
| Airwave | Interesting | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I already pondered distributing whole metapackages as backup tarball | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sth like 'My favorite Maemo Setup' package | 15:34 |
| Airwave | Cool | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | always been too lazy to set up an otherwise clean system to create such tarball | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | finally should do | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe between xmas and new year | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: check out maemo.cloud-u.de, you might find a few useful things | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dang | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maemo.cloud-7.de | 15:36 |
| Airwave | Thanks man | 15:36 |
| Airwave | I'll check it out | 15:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | don't miss backupmenu, commonly referred to as BM | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's essential | 15:38 |
| Airwave | Yeah, I installed that right before I installed CSSU | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :D good boy | 15:39 |
| Airwave | :-D | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | did it work? | 15:39 |
| Airwave | Yeah, worked great. I ran a backup with it. | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | installation is a tad cumbersome lately, I heard | 15:40 |
| Airwave | I just installed from App Manager. No issues. | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, not when you got muarf | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | repos | 15:40 |
| Airwave | Yeah, that's the first thing I did after flashing. | 15:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | :D | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I need to mirror muarf soonish | 15:41 |
| Airwave | Any thoughts on moving it to HTTPS? | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: did you mirror base repos? | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: I don't know shit about how apt and rrepos work ;) | 15:42 |
| Airwave | Hehe, okay | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I hope mirroring is a lightweight process | 15:43 |
| parazyd | which gcc can create executables? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | need my 'privatem mirror on my maemo.cloud-u | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | parazyd: none :D | 15:44 |
| parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: why?! | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the linker does | 15:44 |
| parazyd | bah, what do i use? | 15:44 |
| KotCzarny | parazyd, on device or dev env? | 15:44 |
| parazyd | on n900 | 15:44 |
| KotCzarny | its tricky | 15:44 |
| KotCzarny | first, little space on rootfs | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | parazyd: on-platform development strongly deprecated | 15:45 |
| parazyd | so should i compile it somewhere else? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | use scratchbox | 15:45 |
| parazyd | it has to work on the n900 though | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 15:45 |
| KotCzarny | parazyd, yes, scratchbox | 15:45 |
| parazyd | great | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas bot is missing, so no ~sb factoid | 15:46 |
| KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | afair you just get 2 scripts and run them | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | parazyd: there's a VM image with the devel environment | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | and there is also vm image too (prepared) | 15:47 |
| parazyd | oh nice | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X86 | 15:47 |
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| KotCzarny | be prepared that scratchbox with sdk can eat few gigs of space | 15:51 |
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| KotCzarny | on a positive side it can easily create installable debs from debian sources almost without user help | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | parazyd: with xephyr you even can run and test your app in the scratchbox environment | 15:53 |
| parazyd | yes, just reading it now | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's also an alternative called 'MADDE' but I don't know nuttin about it | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | iirc it's strictly only for Qt apps | 15:54 |
| parazyd | don't need qt | 15:56 |
| parazyd | but thanks :D | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sb supports all | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | madde is a functional subset, somewhat lightweight | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: writing from N900 xchat ;-D | 15:58 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: Nice :-D | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: re batteries: nuke skype! make sure your WLAN doesn't scan every 5 minutes. And you're good for almost a whole day of always online in IRC and GSM phone from one battery | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually when connected via WLAN, my phone easily idles more than one day *with* xchat online | 16:01 |
| Airwave | DocScrutinizer51: How do I turn off the WLAN scan? | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 3G is a known battery hog | 16:01 |
| Airwave | I don't use Skype, so that's no issue for me. | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | adjust scan interval to 15 or 30 minutes | 16:02 |
| Airwave | Does it scan even when I'm already connected to a network? | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for WLAN. Or adjust the 'always use WLAN when available' setting | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 16:03 |
| Airwave | Okay, good. | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | when associated to AP, it's prettu humble on energy | 16:03 |
| Airwave | That's good. | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but when not, it's a massive power hog | 16:03 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: hm? | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | unless you scan only every now and then, or never | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: muarf | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I want a tad more trusted mirrors of base repos | 16:04 |
| merlin1991 | well I have the stuff, but don't want to risk it | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I hope 'we' got them too? | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good :D | 16:05 |
| merlin1991 | I think so too | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: eventually please share it to me | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | distributed backup ;) | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thought about a CSSU patch to /etc/hosts : | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | damn, since quite some time something is terribly fuckedup in my microb bookmarks startpage: when scrolling to the bottom it violently kicks me back all to the top | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | only on the 'root', not in any subdirs in bookmark structure | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Airwave: you want to create a shortcut icon for 'settings' on your desktop | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and one for phone, one for conversations aka SMS | 16:36 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: that happened to me more than a handful of times | 16:38 |
| kerio | no idea why, no idea how it resolved itself | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I tried deleting bottom bookmark, didn't help | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe I got an invisible broken bottom bookmark? | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | one with icon size 800*800? | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I gather the whole UI is just another HTML/JS local file that's displaying the bookmarks? | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: thanks anyway :) | 16:45 |
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