IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2015-11-23

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DocScrutinizer05what's cellwriter?00:03
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M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: maybe this thing ?
ceeneyep, that's the thing00:31
ceenein fact, that's how i reached cellwriter00:34
ceeneby asking here about something similar to graffiti :)00:34
ceenei had a palm m125 and a palm tx00:35
ceenei still like those PIM applications a whole lot more than those of maemo and android00:35
ceenei liked too the fact that you could obscure/hide certain entries a protect them with a password00:36
ceenemaemo can't do that, and as far as i know, android can't unless using specific apps, if they even exist00:36
DocScrutinizer05"using certain apps" is the generic way which applies to maemo as well00:44
DocScrutinizer05but yes, I fully agree that all maemo core apps are *very* poor on separating stuff (except for calendar which actually is great with multiple separate calendars). See gallery for a abysmal example, as well as contacts00:45
DocScrutinizer05we should add a "user2" or $younameit account on most basic unix level, and a way to actually log in not only with "lock-code" but also with selecting which user account to log into00:47
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: maemo5 fremantle has a single user account "user"00:48
DocScrutinizer05well, it actually also has "root"00:48
ceenethat way you could lend the phone to friend without fear of him reading your personal mail, contacts or whatever00:48
bencohyeah, I kinda know about it ;)00:48
bencohlending my n900 feels a bit odd though00:48
ceenenobody knows how to use it :)00:49
DocScrutinizer05separating private and business use scenarios however feels pretty sane00:49
bencohkrkr :)00:49
DocScrutinizer05I doubt gallery would benefit from an additional user, but gallery is fubar anyway00:50
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DocScrutinizer05call history and contacts actually would work as expected with a user-too00:50
DocScrutinizer05also messaging00:51
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DocScrutinizer05I guess camera and gallery *could* get set up in a way so they ignore the alien account's directories and files. Maybe even with mount namespaces00:52
ceenegallery doesn't run with 'user' privileges?00:53
ceeneor does it use trackerd which is global?00:53
DocScrutinizer05the latter, though tracker is not exactly global00:54
ceenetwo trackerd then, one per user?00:54
DocScrutinizer05you could probably lock tracker.cfg so user can't edit it without root permissions. Then config tracker so it doesn't index the photo dirs of user200:55
DocScrutinizer05well, two tracker.cfg and databases, one per user00:55
DocScrutinizer05both life in $home anyway, so there's no magic in this00:55
DocScrutinizer05the major problem is missing comprehensive file permissions on the 29GB ~/MyD*00:56
ceenewell, MyDocs should be ext3 or whatever00:57
ceeneah, so many things to do00:57
DocScrutinizer05but *maybe* that could get cured by sophisticated mounts00:57
DocScrutinizer05yes, with ext3 MyDocs would be easy to handle00:57
DocScrutinizer05right now camera stores pictures on a fatfs MyDocs dir and that's pretty difficult to separate for tracker, unless you configure tracker.cfg accordingly to ignore any data in ~/MyDocs/$path1 and only index ~/MyDocs/$path200:59
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DocScrutinizer05*or* you simply create separate user-proprietary MyDocs partitions on eMMC and only mount the one that is owned by lohgged-in user01:00
ceeneis tracker open source?01:02
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ceeneanyway, i guess the easiest thing would be to simply execute every user file accesing daemon twice as current user, and simply use an ext3 MyDocs01:03
ceeneprobably a full /home/ that is mounted in the space currently reserved for MyDocs01:03
ceeneand simply remove the concept of MyDocs01:03
DocScrutinizer05trackerd is open iirc01:03
ceenethat's right01:07
ceenei can't really understand the need to have a 2Gb /home partition01:07
ceeneit'd be simpler if /home was /dev/mmcblk0p1 extending until current end of /dev/mmcblk0p201:08
ceene this?01:08
ceene get rid of the MyDocs partition, setup a single 31 GB ext3 partition, and replace MyDocs with loopback file(s) that could also be USB exported and have arbitrary size and filesystem. This is useful if you rarely need USB mass storage mode or if you want to export different filesystem images depending on the computer. However, the loopback files may be significantly slower.01:09
DocScrutinizer05yes, resizing /home is a well known and documented process. You just need to take care about stuff like camera which has hardcoded path to MyDocs01:09
ceenei guess this is the only thing that could be a bit cumbersome01:10
ceenenot being able to mount any partition as usb mass storage01:10
DocScrutinizer05loopback device?01:10
ceenedd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/MyDocs.ext2 bs=1G count=201:10
DocScrutinizer05yes, mass storage wouldn't work for sure with ext301:10
ceenewell, that would fill up n900 ram01:11
ceeneso probably bs=32M count=whateever01:11
ceeneand they MyDocs would live in that file01:11
ceenethat could be mass storage mounted01:11
DocScrutinizer05great idea indeed01:11
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ceenethe only problem seems to be those apps with hardcoded references to partition names01:12
ceenepaths hardcoded to MyDocs can always be solved with symlinks or simply creating that directory, or via the loopback trick01:12
ceenei want a 2nd n900 to try out all these things01:13
DocScrutinizer05unless some drunken coder used "/MyDocs/pictures" in one process and "/MyDocs/Pictures" in another one, and didn't even bother about file owner. We had that in camera which caused camera to break epically when MyDocs been a case sensitive fs like ext301:15
DocScrutinizer05actually I dunno if it ever got fixed01:15
ceenei'm sure it'd be pretty easy to make an ext3i to mount MyDocs01:16
ceenenot that it wouldn't irk me01:16
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ceenewell, it's time for me to sleep01:17
tiwakeinteresting people enh?01:17
ceenegood night, cya!01:17
tiwakeI just got here01:17
pavitiwake: ask DocScrutinizer05 your questions on cssu01:18
infoboti guess combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like,, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh01:19
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tiwakeat the moment I'm downloading RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin01:19
tiwakefrom here
paviDocScrutinizer05: what phone are you hacking these days ? Still n900?01:20
DocScrutinizer05though yes, my daily phone and only hacking (if I find time for hacking) is N90001:21
DocScrutinizer05currently Neo900 eats pretty much 200% of my time01:22
paviDocScrutinizer05: Will neo900 chip be ever for sale ?01:22
DocScrutinizer05well, I realy hope so01:23
paviisnt it too late post jolla?01:23
DocScrutinizer05though right now I got massive issues with PayPal which puts the whole project on peril01:23
DocScrutinizer05Jolla is no competition to Neo90001:24
tiwakesounds like paypal...01:24
pavijolla with other half keyboard took away all interested people ( just a guess )01:25
DocScrutinizer05Jolla and Neo900 have a completely segregate target group of users01:25
paviI agree . neo 900 is the best device for free software enthusiasts01:26
DocScrutinizer05when you're not interested in 100% openness in, and control over your phone, and you don't see the difference between sailfish and maemo, between capacitive and resistive screen, then Jolla is the way smarter choice for you. Only for those who really care about that stuff, Neo900 is faintly affordable01:27
paviby 100 % did  you include graphic drivers01:28
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paviDocScrutinizer05: I dont know if you are on diaspora but we had a discussion free software and mobile os
DocScrutinizer05pavi: the POowerVR drivers are not FOSS, but are also not needed to run a 100% FOSS linux (not maemo) on Neo900. We can't provide FOSS PowerVR drivers since nobody can01:38
paviohh ok01:40
DocScrutinizer05however TI provides them PowerVR drivers as free (as in beer) blobs01:45
pavijust like nvidia01:51
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DocScrutinizer05anyway note that X11 doesn't need OpenGL-ES, and there are distros like SHR working just fine on a bare bones N900 via framebuffer only. Most likely it will be apps like mediaplayer that notice lack of PowerVR support02:03
paviJust now checked the at 990 is it the most expensive board ?02:04
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paviI remember when it started the estimate was around 600 for the board ?02:05
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's still the most recent (and hopefully not final but highest) estimation on cost of the NeoN-board to upgrade your N900 yourself02:05
DocScrutinizer05700, yes02:05
paviso how much is the latest estimate for  total phone ?02:05
paviok it says 130 more02:05
DocScrutinizer05NeoN board plus a 130.- on top for a complete N900 we source for you02:06
paviWith Neo900 we could run maemo , replicant and maybe also Nemo on it. Complete multi boot support is guaranteed02:07
pavi^ hope I am right ?02:07
DocScrutinizer05not maybe, it's clear that Nemo porting should be feasible02:08
DocScrutinizer05I mean, it's a completely open hardware, how could Nemo not be possible to get ported?02:08
paviI appreciate all your efforts in bringing this device to daylight. yes its damn expensive but still it serves as role model.02:09
paviI wish I had such deep pockets. :(02:10
DocScrutinizer05yes, it'S a pity how expensive stuff is02:10
paviMaybe if someone sells their neo900 on ebay for cheap I will try to grab it ;)02:11
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DocScrutinizer05on the bright side: for all US customers the device pretty much stayed at initially estimated price02:11
paviyeah thats great. Atleast the $ paying customers would be happy ! I wish the first people who paid are still there to finish order02:12
paviI mean the first ones way back in 2013-14 or so02:12
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DocScrutinizer05yes, indeed. We have quite a number of unuser vouchers02:39
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infobotrumour has it, maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh02:54
tiwakesays it failed with error code 002:54
tiwakeoh, maybe flasher 3.5 is not +x02:56
tiwakeI bet it isnt02:56
tiwakeor hmm02:56
tiwakebleh, I don't know bash enough to know what it means02:58
DocScrutinizer05tiwake: you did ./ ?03:00
tiwakeyeah, as root03:01
DocScrutinizer05please pastebin the full session03:01
DocScrutinizer05possibly again the libusb32 problem03:01
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tiwakeI'm on debian testing03:03
tiwakeif that makes a difference03:03
DocScrutinizer05please try - in this directory - a verbatim03:05
DocScrutinizer05and pastebin result if it differs form a single line  maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: No such file or directory03:05
tiwakeno, same03:06
DocScrutinizer05please pastebin result of03:07
DocScrutinizer05ls -l maemo_*03:07
tiwakethought it was because of no +x, cause thats how it acted, but I realized with ls -l was showing it as +x already.. heh03:09
DocScrutinizer05I guess you're missing the libusb 32bit version03:10
tiwakeif its a 32bit binary then it probably will have issues, I don't have any of the 32bit runtime stuff installed03:10
DocScrutinizer05or you are using a architecture that's not x86 at all03:10
tiwakeneh, its x86_6403:11
tiwake4.2 kernel, debian testing03:11
DocScrutinizer05hmm, it *should* say ./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory03:12
DocScrutinizer05apt-cache search libusb03:13
DocScrutinizer05hmmm, I can't spot the libusb-0.1.4-32bit or whatever the name03:16
tiwakethis is it, I'm guessing03:17
tiwakelibusb-0.1-4 - userspace USB programming library03:17
tiwakebut its installed already03:19
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DocScrutinizer05tiwake: you need the 32bit compatibility lib of this03:21
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DocScrutinizer05apt-get install libusb-0.1-4:i38603:26
DocScrutinizer05also try>   ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.503:27
tiwakeyeah, getting there... had to add multi-arch03:27
DocScrutinizer05lists all libs needed03:28
tiwakedoes that mean is not provided for yet?03:30 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/  :-)03:30
DocScrutinizer05dunno, maybe it'S already in place03:31
DocScrutinizer05just no symlink03:31
tiwakewell, it did something03:31
tiwakewhen I ./flasherwhatever03:31
tiwakeI'll try the script again03:31
tiwakesuitable USB device not found, waiting03:32
DocScrutinizer05first try   maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 --help03:32
DocScrutinizer05ooh, ok03:32
tiwakeits doing stuff03:33
tiwakewoo \o/03:33
tiwakeerasing CMT03:33
DocScrutinizer05glad my script works for you03:33
tiwakea tiny bit of documentation might help :303:34
tiwakeDocScrutinizer05: after its done I'm going to try the stable branch...
tiwakeor should I do something else?03:35
DocScrutinizer05install BM first03:35
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is
DocScrutinizer05and do a backup of your clean system03:35
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DocScrutinizer05though not exactly mandatory for a freshly flashed system, it's still a best practice and you should get used to BM03:36
infobot[cssu], or (Community Seamless Software Update)03:36
tiwakebackup menu?03:36
tiwakeI backed up my contacts already, as thats the only thing I really care about03:37
DocScrutinizer05please don't ignore BM, it's a really great tool and you should use it regularly03:37
tiwakeheh, alright03:38
DocScrutinizer05it's in extras-devel repo03:38
DocScrutinizer05or actually even in extras-testing now03:38
tiwakeis there a good IRC client for it?03:39
tiwakeI had xchat on it, but.. meh03:39
DocScrutinizer05why 'meh"?03:39
DocScrutinizer05I'm quite happy with my xchat03:39
tiwakeI couldent figure out how to tab-complete nicknames03:40
DocScrutinizer05it just needs massive configuration03:40
infobotjrtools is, like,
DocScrutinizer05I'm using shift-space, see
tiwakeits like getting a new cellphone again and...03:42
tiwakewhy do I see my old background image?03:42
DocScrutinizer05did you flashh eMMC?03:42
tiwakeyeah, at least it should have03:42
DocScrutinizer05did you spell "YES" ?03:42
tiwakeit showed my old background image, but after a second changed it to the default image03:43
tiwakeyeah, though it was lowercase03:43
DocScrutinizer05hmm, that's quite weird indeed03:43
DocScrutinizer05dunno, maybe lowercase03:43
tiwakeit appears to be default03:43
DocScrutinizer05sorry? what is default?03:44
tiwakethe background, and the "desktops"03:44
DocScrutinizer05aah, well, when your old background been default, then I guess the old and new background shouldn't differ?03:45
tiwakeit was just for like 2 seconds when it showed my old background images03:45
tiwakewhich, was weird03:45
tiwakealright, so what are the things I need to do now03:46
DocScrutinizer05add extras-devel, install BM03:46
DocScrutinizer05disable extras-devel, reboot with open slider, do a backup with BM03:47
DocScrutinizer05do NOT install any suggested updates when extras-devel is enabled03:47
tiwakeoh thats right, app manager03:48
tiwakebeen a couple years since I've been in this corner of my phones software03:49
DocScrutinizer05app manager alias HAM will take ages to come up again after enabling extras-devel - for the last time, since in CSSU you got speedyham03:50
DocScrutinizer05which takes like 10s for somethhing the stock HAM needs 10 minutes03:50
tiwakenew catalog then?03:51
DocScrutinizer05or simply click the link in  ;-)03:53
tiwakewaiting for updatingness03:54
DocScrutinizer05don't forget to disable all those extras-* and tools and whatnot catalogs after installing whatever you want (here: backupmenu)03:55
DocScrutinizer05updatingness takes 15 minutes ;)03:55
tiwake"checking for updates, please wait"03:55
DocScrutinizer05well, with extras-devel only it may take only 903:55
DocScrutinizer05or rather, the selection of "all" in "insstall new" will take that long, with no polite note asking you to wait03:56
DocScrutinizer05dunno, can't check what exactly took that long, since my device already has speedyham03:57
tiwakeoh, its complaining about the official catalogs not working03:58
DocScrutinizer05install "backupmenu", you can search for the package by simply starting to type on keyboard03:58
DocScrutinizer05hmm, nevermind, I hope that will not be a problem03:58
DocScrutinizer05however while you're at it, you should fix this:03:59
infobot[repos] "deb ./ ;; deb ./", or see
tiwakeah, there is backupmenu04:00
tiwakeoh, its missing dependencies04:00
tiwakeso I need those other catalogs?04:01
DocScrutinizer05iirc it's i2ctools which is missing04:02
infobotmethinks pkg is
DocScrutinizer05hmm nope,
DocScrutinizer05it's in extras, extras-testing, and extras-devel04:05
DocScrutinizer05so what been the "details" of missing packages?04:05
DocScrutinizer05tab: details04:05
tiwakeit was libsomething04:06
tiwakehold on04:06
DocScrutinizer05ugh, this one again04:07
DocScrutinizer05nah, just I heard this name so often in the past04:08
DocScrutinizer05in "Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel"04:09
DocScrutinizer05which is the missing Nokia repo04:09
tiwakewhat catalog do I add to get it?04:09
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DocScrutinizer05there's also a version in "Fremantle SDK tools free armel"04:10
DocScrutinizer05click on the link in  ;-)04:10
DocScrutinizer05it seems it's in tools repo04:11
DocScrutinizer05however you should add the muarf repos as substituate of the Nokia base repos04:11
infoboti heard repos is "deb ./ ;; deb ./", or see
tiwakeshould it be added thought the GUI? or commandline by editing sources.list?04:12
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DocScrutinizer05editing cmdline is a bit tricky, rather do it via GUI or by clicking on my link and then simply deleting what you got twice or don't need04:13
DocScrutinizer05surf to
tiwakeoh, gotta install xchat or something04:14
tiwakeor that04:14
DocScrutinizer05wiki is a tad slugguish right now, seems the backup on is running04:15
DocScrutinizer05http  ://
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AnaskoIs multi-user chat doable in telepathy?04:57
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: hey! :-)04:59
DocScrutinizer05please check
Sicelo009NAnasko: yes, it works05:16
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: I'd really appreciate those install files rather living on official maemo05:17
DocScrutinizer05need mimetype05:17
DocScrutinizer05dunno if it's compliant with maemo (council) policy regarding support of alien repos05:18
DocScrutinizer05please a few of users in here check one-click install of muarf repos:
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DocScrutinizer05nobody willing to test catalog one-click install?05:38
AnaskoTwo clicks, one click per catalog, I guess?05:40
AnaskoFull link:
DocScrutinizer05err the muarf.install installs both repos05:41
DocScrutinizer05so it's either / or. Depending on whether you want to also add devel and tools05:42
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DocScrutinizer05tiwake: :-)05:51
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DocScrutinizer05Anasko: you tried it?06:31
DocScrutinizer05~jrrepos is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0506:36
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DocScrutinizer05tiwake: see ^^^06:44
infobotsomebody said jrrepos was
DocScrutinizer05tiwake: also
tiwakeI think I'm going to make some mac&cheese first06:46
tiwakekinda hungry06:46
tiwakeDocScrutinizer05: I went to it on my cellphone... click on one of them?06:48
DocScrutinizer05I tested nuarf06:49
DocScrutinizer05muarf even06:49
DocScrutinizer05yes, click muarf.install06:49
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tiwakealright, backupmenu finally installing06:59
tiwakeset new root password?07:00
DocScrutinizer05having a decebt root password is a nice thing07:01
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tiwakeok and just boot the cellphone up with the keypad open07:03
DocScrutinizer05(root pw) ->   search for "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot"07:04
Siceloand no cellphone ;)07:04
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: you lost me07:05
Sicelo009Nthat was for tiwake ... alluding to fact that we don't typically refer to N900 as a cellphone. i can 'see' the unintended pun though .. didn't mean that07:06
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tiwakeSicelo009N: donno, thats all I've ever used it for07:07
DocScrutinizer05a running gag: "N900 is no phone"07:08
tiwakeits probably the last of the badass cellphones nokia makes07:09
tiwakealright, booted into backupmenu07:10
tiwakeand pressed b07:10
tiwakeprobably t, to backup everything07:10
DocScrutinizer05backup everything w/o compression, ideally to uSD card07:11
tiwakenot with compression?07:11
DocScrutinizer05takes aaaaaages07:11
tiwakealso, I have no card07:11
DocScrutinizer05then use internal storage for now07:12
DocScrutinizer05however you eventually want to do backups to a removabe storage device07:12
DocScrutinizer05i.e. a uSD07:12
tiwakeprobably won't happen07:13
DocScrutinizer05no micro SD cards available at your place?07:14
tiwakecause I'm not going to spend any money on this cellphone.. heh07:14
tiwakeI'd rather trash it and get something that runs sailfishOS honestly07:14
tiwakebut that will be a while yet07:15
DocScrutinizer05I'd rather use one of my 20 or 30 uSD cards that collect dust here, than "spending money" or using N900 without uSD07:15
tiwakeplenty of space on this07:15
tiwakenow that there is a backup...07:16
tiwakedisable the catalogs and install the CSSU07:17
DocScrutinizer05actually swapping device when I need to is a matter of doing a BM backup to the uSD, then ripping out uSD and SIM and place it into the spare device, flash the spare device with BM-augmented fiasco image and boot into BM to restore all the data and stuff from BM backup on uSD07:18
tiwakeah yeah07:18
tiwakethat would be nice for having more than one N90007:18
DocScrutinizer05((disable the catalogs and install the CSSU)) yep, you should disable: the original broken Nokia catalogs, maemo_extras-(testing|devel), and any tools or SDK repo you might have07:19
infobotsomebody said cssu was, or (Community Seamless Software Update)07:20
DocScrutinizer05then proceed to ~cssu and click the distro of your choice. Maybe you even want "cssu-testing" which as well is considered quite stable and way more up to date07:20
infobotit has been said that nit is Nokia Internet Tablet07:21
DocScrutinizer05tiwake: you can "upgrade" from cssu-stable to cssu-testing any time though07:22
DocScrutinizer05not the other way round07:22
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, when your cmdline/bash experience is approaching zero, I can see why you would prefer sailfish07:23
DocScrutinizer05tiwake: you shouldn't forget to hook up the device to charger soonish07:26
DocScrutinizer05(unless you already did)07:26
tiwakeyeah, I've owned this long enough to know ;)07:30
tiwakeit installed the thing07:35
tiwakenow... up07:35
DocScrutinizer05please follow install instructions on ~cssu varefully. This is a multi-step process07:36
tiwakeoh right07:37
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tiwakeit rebooted07:55
tiwakenow what07:56
tiwakere-enable the catalogs?07:56
tiwakeoh I should get my contacts back on it08:03
DocScrutinizer05the catalogs I listed above are default disabled. You only enable one of them temporarily to install a particular app from that repo. NEVER do an "update all" when any of the extras-(testing|devel) or tools etc catalogs are enabled08:03
DocScrutinizer05[2015-11-23 Mon 06:19:08] <DocScrutinizer05> ((disable the catalogs and install the CSSU)) yep, you should disable: the original broken Nokia catalogs, maemo_extras-(testing|devel), and any tools or SDK repo you might have08:04
tiwakeso it should be good to go then, cause the CSSU has all that stuff or w/e?08:04
DocScrutinizer05I recommend another BM backup, just in case you want to roll back to "virg08:05
DocScrutinizer05to a mint system when fiddling with apps too much08:05
DocScrutinizer05you definitely want "simple brightness applet"08:08
DocScrutinizer05# "fix" the hold-key=sym nonsense08:10
DocScrutinizer05gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/inputmethod/ext_kb_repeat_enabled --type boolean true08:10
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DocScrutinizer05# set ctl-BS to my preferred operation mode. like Alt-Tab on PC KDE08:11
DocScrutinizer05gconftool-2 -s  /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 508:11
Maxdamantusalternatively, rm /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/hildon-im-module.so08:12
DocScrutinizer05when you press and hold a key, it doesn't repeat but rather turns into the blue symbol on same key08:12
tiwakeoh hey, adblock plug08:12
MaxdamantusYeah, HIM does lots of weird things.08:12
DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: HUH?08:12
MaxdamantusYou can just remove HIM.08:13
MaxdamantusYou lose the VKB though.08:13
DocScrutinizer05wtf is HIM?08:13
MaxdamantusHildon Input Manager.08:13
Maxdamantusor input mode or something.08:13
DocScrutinizer05and what would I gain by removing it?08:13
MaxdamantusYou remove all the weird things you get with it, like that repeating thing, and instead get a mostly normal Multi_key.08:14
tiwakeis there a map program that I can use offline?08:14
Maxdamantus(fn+sym is Multi_key)08:14
DocScrutinizer05I don't know of a single really weird thing HIM does08:14
DocScrutinizer05tiwake: there are a few, yes08:15
Maxdamantus19:12:31 < DocScrutinizer05> when you press and hold a key, it doesn't repeat but rather turns into the blue symbol on same key08:15
MaxdamantusWhat about that one?08:15
DocScrutinizer05so what?08:15
MaxdamantusThat always annoyed me.08:15
Maxdamantuscouldn't use vim effectively.08:15
DocScrutinizer05then you should have used gconf to disable it08:16
tiwakewhich one would be best?08:16
MaxdamantusI also prefer the normal Xorg Multi_key behaviour over HIM's symbol selection dialogue.08:16
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Maxdamantusie, fn+sym, ‹"›, ‹o› = ö08:17
Sicelo009Ntiwake: Ovi Maps :)08:18
DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: then you should adapt your keymapping08:18
MaxdamantusDocScrutinizer05: how?08:18
tiwakeSicelo009N: I would also need a good source for a map :-x08:18
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders what's fn+sym08:18
Maxdamantusfn+ctrl, if you want.08:18
Sicelo009Ntiwake: nokia maps...08:19
MaxdamantusDocScrutinizer05: so what parts of HIM do you find useful?08:21
tiwakeI don't have a dataplan, and always find it annoying when they try to use internet for a map thing08:22
DocScrutinizer05I'm not going to give you another opportunity to harass me08:22
DocScrutinizer05^^^ Maxdamantus08:23
MaxdamantusOkay, sorry. Didn't realise you were sensitive about these discussions you invoke.08:23
tiwakeI had doom installed... was fun to show people08:24
tiwakeesp. back when I first got it... could play doom and talk to people on the cellphone and whatever else I wanted to do at the same time08:25
tiwakenow thats a more common thing for cellphones08:25
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tiwakelol borg sound effects08:28
tiwakeI'm going to have fun browsing08:28
Sicelo009Ntiwake: ovi/nokia maps only use dataplan for searching. you can save all map data ahead of time08:30
* Sicelo009N does08:30
Sicelo009Nand i don't even search 90% of the time08:30
tiwakeCUPS server? lol awesome08:35
tiwakeooo offline wikipedia08:38
Sicelo009Nnow you know why we don't refer to N900 as a cellphone so much08:39
tiwakeenh yeah08:39
tiwakeI wont use this stuff hardly at all08:39
tiwakeI'm just going over the "its shiny and new" stage because re-installed the OS and updated it08:40
tiwakeonly I did it correctly this time08:40
tiwakethanks to you guys08:40
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tiwakeI guess its not any worse than overclocking the router08:50
infobotsomebody said omap-oc was  read that!, or and this
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infobotoc is probably an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s08:52
tiwakeI want an OC3 line08:52
infobot"OK, listen up.  This is your CPU."  apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan.  "This is your CPU on overclocking.  Any questions?"08:52
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zGrrmoin :)10:49
klopsi-u4 moin zGrr10:49
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* jonwil is making more progress on module-nokia-voice than he thought he would :)12:03
klopsi-u3 cool12:03
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merlin1991go jonwil :D15:23
jonwilok, that's about as much as I can do, now its up to freemangordon to do more :)15:51
jonwilor someone else with more skills than me :)15:53
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jon_yhmm, how do you query infobot?16:39
KotCzarny~listkeys modeswitch16:39
infobotFactoid search of 'modeswitch' by key returned no results.16:39
KotCzarny~listkeys switch16:39
infobotFactoid search of 'switch' by key (10 of 27): factoid word switch ;; jargon big red switch ;; airswitch ;; they-switched-to-gnome ;; jargon big red switch3 ;; so when the switch to 5v ;; overrideswitch ;; jargon scram switch2 ;; then the orange led should be on if the switch ;; having to flush the caches on each context switch.16:39
KotCzarnybut maybe you need:16:39
infobotwell, hen is hostmode-easy-now, or, or see ~hostmode16:39
jon_yI remember the n900 can do host mode16:39
jon_yyeah that16:39
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klopsi-u3 how many n900s do you all have?16:49
KotCzarnythere is a thread on tmo for that16:49
Wizzupklopsi-u3: 816:50
KotCzarnyand this one is similar in meaning:
Wizzupjon_y: freemangordon: sorry I haven't been able to free up time for the pa mods REing yet, life is hard atm16:51
Wizzup(assuming jon_y is jonwil)16:52
KotCzarnyi thienk he is not16:52
merlin1991jonwil did quit about 30 mins ago ;)16:52
WizzupI saw that16:59
Wizzupoh well :)16:59
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freemangordonWizzup: yeah, jonwil is jonwil :)17:02
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KotCzarnyscammers gonna scam17:27
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brolin_empeytiwake: Quake III: (Team) Arena can run on Maemo 5 too.  Doom 3 has been ported to the Android OS.17:43
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brolin_empeytiwake: Quake II can run in a modern Web browser using WebGL.17:46
Sicelostock calculator, besides calculating say 14% of 100 (100%14), is there a simpler way to add 14% to 100?18:18
KotCzarnyecho $(( 100*114/100 ))18:19
Siceloi mean in the stock calculator...18:20
KotCzarnyuse the bash luke, use the bash18:20
KotCzarnyor just install some calc alternative that actually has calculator features18:21
KotCzarnyfree42, ati85 etc18:23
Sicelo100+14% actually works :)18:24
Siceloand, i do have ati85 ... but isn't that overkill for this function? and no, i'm not interested in having dozens of programs installed that do the same thing. i'd have gone android for that18:25
KotCzarnywell, its not about having dozens of programs, just 1 that works18:30
KotCzarnydozens of programs exist because people have different tastes/needs18:30
KotCzarny(and that's a good thing (having alternatives))18:32
klopsi-u3yes but too many bad alternatives are worse than a few good ones18:33
klopsi-u3they waste your time18:33
KotCzarnyunfortunatelly that's true18:33
KotCzarnystill, better to have alternatives and waste some time, than have no alternatives and keep grumbling everytime you have to do something18:34
Siceloosso-calc is preinstalled on device .. may as well learn to use it well if it can work for one's circumstances18:35
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Siceloand the coffee script could burn the heating element as there's no test for presence of water20:46
KotCzarnymaybe that's why he got fired20:46
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OksanaaHow to play h264/avc/aac/mp4 video on N900? Media format not supported22:56
OksanaaMaybe, too high resolution? 1000, whatever it means for ABC22:56
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Sicelo009Ncodecs installed?23:02
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OksanaaSicelo009N: omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti installed, yes23:24
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OksanaaIf you wish, test. , Koalas chewing bark, something_1000.mp423:25
jonwilfreemangordon: ping23:27
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brolin_empeyOksanaa: Have you tried using VLC Media Player?23:36
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Sicelo009Nmaybe give full link Oksanaa :) not finding it, and news sites make me drowsy23:42
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