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| Luke-Jr | hawaii: a free OS that has GPS capabilities? | 01:12 |
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| Oksanaa | The most curious part, for me, is adding into location-searcher capability to use cellular towers' signals + database of cellular towers' locations to give coarse location | 01:56 |
| Oksanaa | Without connecting to Internet or downloading almanac from satellites | 01:56 |
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| Maxdamantus | http://maxdamantus.eu.org/epa.jpg | 08:12 |
| Vajb | how did u made body for those parts? Some sort of epoxy? | 08:16 |
| Maxdamantus | Yes, just five-minute epoxy. | 08:17 |
| Vajb | were u able to make shape from fresh epoxy or u carved it after it cure? | 08:18 |
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| Maxdamantus | Fresh, but usually with multiple applications a few minutes apart. | 08:19 |
| kerio | wtf is htat | 08:19 |
| kerio | that | 08:19 |
| Maxdamantus | My modularised earphones. | 08:20 |
| Vajb | i see. Should be sturdy and even waterproof. | 08:20 |
| Maxdamantus | Unfortunately there are still jacks for water to get into. | 08:22 |
| Maxdamantus | In the case of the earpieces though, the crevasses for the jacks are isolated from the ones for the speakers. | 08:23 |
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| nick20151916 | my n900 asks | 08:27 |
| nick20151916 | my n900 says "insufficient charnign power" on half of laptop usb ports. Is it possible to fix this? | 08:28 |
| Maxdamantus | nick20151916: is the laptop on? | 08:28 |
| nick20151916 | yes | 08:30 |
| nick20151916 | it is on different PCs | 08:31 |
| nick20151916 | I believe that it's possible to change n900's requirements to power | 08:32 |
| Luke-Jr | offline mode probably will help | 08:32 |
| ecc3g | whenever I see "insufficient charging power" the USB port really is too weak... | 08:34 |
| nick20151916 | btw, my external battery(XP18000) doesn't charge it too | 08:34 |
| ecc3g | if I can't get 100mA from the USB port, I don't bother | 08:35 |
| nick20151916 | so it is obvious that the problem is in n900, not in other devices | 08:37 |
| ecc3g | if a regular wall charger can charge it, then it's not a problem with the n900 either... | 08:39 |
| Vajb | Maxdamantus: maybe u could put o-rings over plugs. So it would seal when connected. | 08:39 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect it's already pretty much water-resistant when connected. | 08:40 |
| nick20151916 | ecc3g the problem is that my n900 is the only device that is charging reliably with wall chargers only. | 08:42 |
| nick20151916 | my 7" tablet never complains about the chargers | 08:43 |
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| J0hnnyBrav0 | Trying to work through well documented issue about failed catalogues. I tried the solutions I found...but seems like the repos are no longer up. Can someone point me to the proper repos please? | 09:17 |
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| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 09:22 |
| infobot | well, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | nick20151916: maybe the cable is bad? | 09:23 |
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| J0hnnyBrav0 | Thank you! | 09:27 |
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| Vajb | yes cable could be the problem also. I have one powerbank with extendable cable. It doesn't charge n900 at all. Even though it looks like standard cable. | 09:49 |
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| jonwil | merlin1991: ping | 09:59 |
| nick20151916 | I used different cables | 10:19 |
| nick20151916 | the problem have persisted for 5 years so i tried different combinations | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | nick20151916: maybe your n900 is special | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | unless all the devices you've tried are having some incompatibility | 10:36 |
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| Vajb | is there program for measuring g-forces? | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | i dont think internal sensor is accurate enough | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | if there is one, that is | 11:13 |
| Vajb | yes. I heard they were planning to implement racechrono for maemo, but that didn't happen 'cause maemo didn't make it to mainstream. | 11:14 |
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| Maxdamantus | `ameter` seems to work fine. | 11:19 |
| Maxdamantus | The sensor seems accurate enough. It tells me the expected rate of upward acceleration it's feeling as it's sitting on a table (9.81 something m/s^2) | 11:20 |
| Maxdamantus | actually, it uses units of "g" | 11:20 |
| Maxdamantus | also, I think Nokia themselves made some ball game using the accelerometer. | 11:24 |
| bencoh | indeed | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | mine doesnt seem to work then | 11:24 |
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| Vajb | k will try ameter | 11:26 |
| Maxdamantus | ameter seems more natural with the default value for g negated. | 11:29 |
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| Vajb | at least it stays constant 1g if device is held vertically | 11:35 |
| KotCzarny | matrix | 11:35 |
| KotCzarny | you are in one | 11:35 |
| Vajb | will try how it works in car | 11:35 |
| Maxdamantus | Indeed. That's because your hand is accelerating upwards at 1 g. | 11:35 |
| Vajb | yeah. Im faster than bruce lee | 11:36 |
| Vajb | only thing missing is storing max g values | 11:37 |
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| brolin_empey | Oksana: Years ago, I bought dedicated Nokia BL-5J/BL-4J battery chargers on eBay. I do not know if such chargers are still available, though. | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | li-ion is a li-ion | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | if you know the pins | 11:59 |
| brolin_empey | I have already replaced my replacement for my Nokia N900, though. I replaced my Nokia N900 with a Geeksphone Revolution, which I have replaced with a Samsung Galaxy Note 3. | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | nice, atom phone | 12:06 |
| kerio | my replacement for the n900 was another n900 | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | +1 kerio | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | i already have 2.5 spare n900s | 12:07 |
| kerio | i might bite the bullet and switch to android though | 12:07 |
| KotCzarny | i've tried android, it was awful | 12:07 |
| kerio | yea but it's got specs | 12:08 |
| kerio | i like specs | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | and os eats 3/4 of them | 12:08 |
| Wizzup | the n900 also has specs | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | and also os eats 3/4 of them | 12:08 |
| Wizzup | more than many others | 12:08 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: :P | 12:08 |
| kerio | Wizzup: the n900 has a keyboard | 12:09 |
| kerio | a screen | 12:09 |
| kerio | and no ram | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | but still, if you start with 1G of ram 1/4 of it is more than 1/4 in n900 | 12:09 |
| Wizzup | kerio: no ram? | 12:09 |
| kerio | Mem: fuck all all none | 12:11 |
| kerio | kinda like that | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | if we replace hildon-dekstop with fluxbox we can regain some | 12:13 |
| brolin_empey | kerio: I meant replacement in terms of model, not in terms of instances of same model. My first Nokia N900 was replaced with another Nokia N900 due to broken microUSB connector. | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | i still use my first n900 | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | (since 2009) | 12:16 |
| kerio | this one has a broken wifi | 12:16 |
| kerio | the old one has a broken musb | 12:16 |
| kerio | feels bad man | 12:16 |
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| KotCzarny | it even has the original battery which holds charge for 4-5 days | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | and if one doesnt need modern (bloated) browser it has very good set of features | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | fm transmitter, ir transmitter | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | and of course linux | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:18 |
| kerio | "linux" | 12:20 |
| kerio | as it is, we have no way to run a recent enough glibc | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | if what sicelo said is true recent kernel has working cmt-speech | 12:22 |
| kerio | also fuck linux | 12:23 |
| kerio | it's bad | 12:23 |
| kerio | bsd or death | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | sure, whatever | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:24 |
| brolin_empey | Anyway, is there a model of fanless >=80686 notebook computer with a decent/proper integrated display instead of a pathetic TN AMLCD panel like in my Dell Latitude X1? | 12:26 |
| kerio | brolin_empey: macbooks have IPS panels | 12:28 |
| kerio | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 12:28 |
| kerio | the 2015 macbooks | 12:29 |
| kerio | the ones with less specs than the ipad pro | 12:29 |
| kerio | oh hey, the specs are similar to the latitude x1 huehueahueh | 12:31 |
| kerio | no but seriously the 2015 macbook is trash | 12:32 |
| brolin_empey | kerio: Is the 2015 MacBook proper (not MacBook Pro) fanless? Reportedly it is but I do not know based on my own experience. Does it have an integrated numeric keypad (overlaid is OK) and an integrated Ethernet port? | 12:35 |
| kerio | yes, no, no | 12:35 |
| kerio | it doesn't have ports | 12:35 |
| kerio | well idk about the numeric keypad | 12:36 |
| kerio | i guess you can just kludge it with a keyboard layout | 12:36 |
| kerio | the 2015 macbook has a headphone jack (supports mic, iirc), and a usb C port | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | one can hack ips display into thinkpad x40 | 12:37 |
| kerio | that's it | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | (which is the last truly fanless machine) | 12:37 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: but the macbook is fanless .-. | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | and what can you do with the macbook? | 12:37 |
| kerio | run a browser | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | can you run realBSD on it? | 12:39 |
| kerio | i dunno | 12:39 |
| kerio | it likely runs netbsd | 12:39 |
| kerio | because, you know, netbsd | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | osx is not realbsd | 12:39 |
| kerio | 1.1ghz dual core intel core M with boost up to 2.4 | 12:39 |
| kerio | except that you will never actually boost to 2.4 | 12:40 |
| kerio | and, in fact, sustained loads will throttle it down to like 900mhz | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:40 |
| brolin_empey | Can an x86 Mac even directly boot from an HDD/SSD using the MBR/MS-DOS disk label instead of the newfangled GPT? | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | gpt is not bad | 12:40 |
| kerio | brolin_empey: i'm actually not sure about the latest versions actually | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | you are thinking of uefi | 12:41 |
| kerio | because in theory they dropped w7 support | 12:41 |
| kerio | and both 8 and 10 boot via efi | 12:41 |
| kerio | xp, vista and 7 used to boot via bios emulation, yes | 12:41 |
| kerio | with all that protective mbr crap | 12:41 |
| kerio | freebsd can boot via uefi | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | thats assuming uefi bios allows it | 12:42 |
| kerio | macs don't have secure boot | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | but they go into that direction too | 12:43 |
| KotCzarny | so they probably have it, just not used yet | 12:43 |
| kerio | do they? | 12:43 |
| kerio | they mostly ignored the efi stuff, actually | 12:43 |
| kerio | os x boots without an efi system partition | 12:43 |
| kerio | you only need it for firmware upgrades | 12:44 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I currently have no need to switch from the IBM Personal Computer-compatible BIOS and MBR/MS-DOS disk label, hence my question. | 12:44 |
| kerio | brolin_empey: no good reason to stay on it either, though | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | brolin, i think grub2 can happily boot gpt partitions | 12:44 |
| kerio | and yea, you only need a specific partitioning system to boot from a partition | 12:45 |
| kerio | but booting from partitions is like not even well supported anymore, anyway | 12:45 |
| kerio | grub on debian complains if it's not installed on a disk | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2#BIOS_with_GPT | 12:45 |
| kerio | indeed | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, gpt is not evil, uefi is | 12:46 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I never said GPT is evil. I said GPT is newfangled, which it is compared to the 1980s establishment. | 12:47 |
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| kerio | the future is bootloaderless | 12:48 |
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| brolin_empey | kerio: Does the 2015 MacBook have internal removable non-volatile memory? | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | it will only reach bootloaderless state when all memory becomes nonvolatile | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise you will always need some kind of 'load the next stage' | 12:57 |
| kerio | brolin_empey: idk if the m2 ssd is removable | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | m2 by definition is socketed | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise its just pcie | 12:57 |
| kerio | hm | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2 | 12:58 |
| kerio | nope, not removable | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 12:58 |
| kerio | https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/bgZDFB3MHBQaSVWC.huge | 12:59 |
| kerio | it's the orange | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | but then again, its not m.2 | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | just connected to the system bus | 12:59 |
| kerio | in fact, it's custom made | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | Buses exposed through the M.2 connector are PCI Express 3.0, Serial ATA (SATA) 3.0 and USB 3.0 | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | Beside socketed modules, the M.2 standard also includes support for permanently soldered single-sided modules.[11] | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 13:03 |
| brolin_empey | I have been screwed too many times by relying on non-volatile memory fixed on a motherboard. My Dell Latitude X1 boots from a removable 1.8-inch PATA SSD. | 13:03 |
| kerio | it's not standard i think | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | kerio, it is | 13:03 |
| kerio | brolin_empey: yea but this one is a ssd :3 | 13:03 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: no, the macbook one | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | brolin, i'm using 1.8" pata-ssd(msata) adapter for my thinkpad x40 | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | works like a charm | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | and you can get newer/bigger/cheaper ssds that way | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | pata ssds are overpriced, 1.8" are overpriced^2 | 13:05 |
| brolin_empey | kerio: As opposed to what? I said SSD, not HDD. I bought my Latitude X1 used without neither an HDD nor an SSD. | 13:06 |
| kerio | sata is too slow for modern ssds | 13:08 |
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| KotCzarny | 70MB/s with instant seeks is enough | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | unless you constantly move gigs of data | 13:09 |
| kerio | i didn't say sata is too slow for you | 13:09 |
| kerio | i said sata is too slow for modern ssds | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | its the iops that matters for daily use | 13:09 |
| kerio | yes | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | and mind you, i used to run that x40 from compactflash card | 13:10 |
| KotCzarny | (half of the os was in tmpfs, he he) | 13:10 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Does your ThinkPad X40 have an IPS panel? | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | i was thinking about it, even got me panel, but never made a cable needed | 13:22 |
| Maxdamantus | tmpfs is subject to swapping. Use ramfs. | 13:22 |
| KotCzarny | my soldering skills are close to 0 | 13:22 |
| KotCzarny | and soldering something to flexcable needs a bit of these | 13:23 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: And is a ThinkPad X40 with IPS panel still obtainable? | 13:23 |
| KotCzarny | there were never x40 model with ips panel, but if you find cmpatible and flexcable modded, it just works | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | it doesnt require any electronics, just pin reorder | 13:25 |
| KotCzarny | also, mind you, x40 is singlec core pentium-m | 13:25 |
| KotCzarny | x60s is obtainable with ips display, but its not as energy efficient as good ol' x40 | 13:26 |
| KotCzarny | x40 in idle without any fan achieves ~35-40C | 13:27 |
| kerio | my mbp reaches 100C with full load on cpu and gpu | 13:27 |
| kerio | :\ | 13:27 |
| KotCzarny | well, with fan on and full load x40 reaches ~60-67C | 13:28 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I have not yet looked up the specifications of the ThinkPad X40. However, my Latitude X1 has a 1.1-GHz Pentium M. | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | x40 has 1.2 or 1.5GHz cpu | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | x60 can have 1.6-2.2GHz coreduo | 13:29 |
| KotCzarny | x60s has 1.83 max i think | 13:29 |
| KotCzarny | (low voltage) | 13:29 |
| KotCzarny | there were ulv models too | 13:30 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: If the ThinkPad X40 has a fan, why are we discussing the ThinkPad X40? A computer with a fan that can be configured to run without using the fan is not the same as a computer without a fan. The Latitude X1 is literally fanless. | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | brolin, it has a fan, but it can be disabled | 13:33 |
| kerio | i'm confident that my macbook pro would work without fans | 13:33 |
| kerio | it would work really badly, but it would work | 13:33 |
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| KotCzarny | brolin, and as i said, in idle without a fan has <40C, undervolted and throttled to 1.2GHz it can run without fan too | 13:35 |
| KotCzarny | which is why 1.1GHz in your latitude can go without | 13:36 |
| kerio | yeah but you still have fans | 13:36 |
| kerio | they still take up space | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | sure, but they are configurable if you need cpu power | 13:36 |
| kerio | they still weigh | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | um | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | you know x40 weighs ~1.5kg? | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | a bit less with ssd ? | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | Minimum: 1.23kg (2.7lb) | 13:38 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: How is the fanless configuration achieved? By configuring only the BIOS or other firmware, or by configuring the OS installation? | 13:40 |
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| kerio | my mbp weighs 2kg | 13:44 |
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| KotCzarny | brolin: user space app (and kernel support for thinkpad bios functions) | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | brolin, google thinkpad fan control | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed | 14:11 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: More generally, by configuring the OS installation. | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed#Automated_program_-_Simple_ThinkPad_Fan_Control | 14:17 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I looked up the specifications of the ThinkPad X40 (https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd012476). Compared to the Latitude X1, the ThinkPad X40 has fewer columns on the integrated display (1024×768 instead of 1280×768), uses one generation earlier of DRAM (DDR1 SDRAM instead of DDR2 SDRAM), and possibly has a lower maximum amount of main memory. | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | max is 1.5GB | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | but its enough for most things (unless you run gnome/kde behemoths) | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | for single core and quite operation xfce/fluxbox is recommended tho | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | *quiet | 14:22 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: The Latitude X1 supports up to approximately 2 GiB using a 2-GiB SODIMM but Dell says the maximum for the Latitude X1 is 1.25 GiB (256 MiB fixed on motherboard + 1 GiB on SODIMM) because a 2-GiB SODIMM was not available when the Latitude X1 was developed. | 14:25 |
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| kerio | how can you use that | 14:26 |
| KotCzarny | use what? | 14:26 |
| kerio | my irc client is currently using 550mb of ram | 14:26 |
| KotCzarny | unless they crippled it in bios/chipset latitude x1 should work with 2GB module | 14:26 |
| KotCzarny | kerio, is that systemd-irc ? | 14:27 |
| kerio | no | 14:27 |
| bencoh | kerio: web irc client? | 14:27 |
| kerio | but it's an irc client that uses webkit for rendering | 14:27 |
| kerio | and i have huge scrollbacks | 14:27 |
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| bencoh | bwahaha | 14:27 |
| bencoh | (sorry) | 14:27 |
| KotCzarny | my irc client uses whatever-the-f*ck-terminal-you-are-using rendering | 14:28 |
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| KotCzarny | and doesnt rely on big gfx buffers to render things | 14:28 |
| kerio | haters gonna hate | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | users gonna use | 14:28 |
| bencoh | kerio: seriously, which one is it? | 14:28 |
| kerio | textual | 14:29 |
| kerio | (ironically enough) | 14:29 |
| bencoh | :D | 14:29 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 14:29 |
| kerio | i mean | 14:30 |
| kerio | i *am* keeping 5 days of messages right now | 14:30 |
| kerio | 2000 messages | 14:30 |
| KotCzarny | sure, 2000*512byte msg len == what, 1MB ? | 14:31 |
| kerio | ayy lmao | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | in that case my irc client can store 500 days of messages in 500megs | 14:31 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: You seem to have incorrectly assumed that I want to run GNU+Linux(+X) on a fanless >=80686 notebook computer. My Latitude X1 runs Windows 8.1 Enterprise for x86-32 (with hostname “solidarity” because it is a solid-state computer). | 14:32 |
| kerio | hold on i just realized that you are talking about 32bit computers | 14:32 |
| kerio | fucking disgusting | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | brolin, you didnt mention any os | 14:33 |
| bencoh | kerio: wai, what? | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | also, win8, seriously? | 14:33 |
| kerio | bencoh: something something aslr | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | its designed for touch screens | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | thinkpads x61 are the ones with 64bit capable cpus | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | also, running windows on anything less than 2GB is a mistake | 14:34 |
| kerio | does windows fundamentals have a w7 equivalent? | 14:34 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: My Latitude X1 has approximately 2 GiB of main memory. | 14:35 |
| KotCzarny | still, its a waste imo | 14:38 |
| brolin_empey | kerio: My primary (desktop) computer at both ${HOME} and ${WORK} has a Core 2 x86-64 CPU but I do not use long mode because I use an x86-32 OS with PAE. Also, the Nokia N900 is a 32-bit computer. :-P | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | for old cpus one shall disable as much as you can | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | one useful feature that often comes with -64 is virtualization | 14:42 |
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| bencoh | by the way, looks like my headphones (or headphones jack) are dead, not my n900 :) | 15:46 |
| KotCzarny | hoo-ray? | 15:46 |
| bencoh | yup :) | 15:46 |
| bencoh | I really didnt want to mess with it open | 15:46 |
| KotCzarny | did you meet someone new too? | 15:46 |
| bencoh | nah, I just got home | 15:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:46 |
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| vakkov | can someone tell me a command to change the date ... date -s doesnt work | 15:58 |
| KotCzarny | ntpdate pool.ntp.org | 15:58 |
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| vakkov | no, i broke the os :P doesnt matter :D date 110813452015 does it | 16:05 |
| vakkov | now i need to synchronise the hwclock :D | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | hwclock -w | 16:05 |
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| vakkov | (y) | 16:06 |
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| KotCzarny | but ntpdate is the best as long you have internet connection | 16:07 |
| KotCzarny | (or working server on the network) | 16:07 |
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| ceene | i was wondering | 16:16 |
| ceene | is there any app for n900 that does ocr on more or less real time? | 16:17 |
| ceene | or even just ocr | 16:17 |
| ceene | without any kind of real time :) | 16:17 |
| ceene | i mean, handwritten ocr | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | try tesseract from google? | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | or do you mean user entry text? | 16:17 |
| ceene | user entry text | 16:18 |
| ceene | i want to draw on a note taking app | 16:18 |
| ceene | and select a chunk of it and ask it to ocr that | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | dont remember if n8x0 had one | 16:18 |
| ceene | so i can take notes with drawings and have the text converted to, well, text | 16:18 |
| ceene | i believe there are apps for that for ios and android | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | and actually its not done via ocr but capturing pen moves | 16:18 |
| ceene | that'd be cool too | 16:18 |
| ceene | i could even go with something like palm's alphabet | 16:19 |
| ceene | that was fast | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | i mean, its just gestures, right? | 16:19 |
| ceene | yep, in the end it is | 16:19 |
| ceene | i used to take notes on my palm tx | 16:19 |
| ceene | and it was quite fast | 16:19 |
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| ceene | graffiti it was called! | 18:42 |
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| Sicelo | ceene: graffiti looks like handwriting recognition? try cellwriter on N900 | 20:38 |
| ceene | it isn't on the repos it seems | 20:41 |
| ceene | oh, but it's on the garage | 20:42 |
| Sicelo | has one annoying bug .. on reboot, loses your learned strokes :( | 20:42 |
| Sicelo | maybe you can fix that :) | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | looks like it doesnt save its data/config? | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | maybe tries to write protected dir | 20:43 |
| ceene | it's less than 8000 lines of C | 20:44 |
| ceene | i'll try it | 20:44 |
| ceene | and i don't discard fixing that if it's feasible | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | and you can even make it into systemwide input plugin? | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:45 |
| ceene | that'd require some n900 specific api knowledge | 20:46 |
| ceene | so i won't promise anything :P | 20:46 |
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| KotCzarny | but if you like taking notes or just prefer writing instead of tapping letters.. | 20:46 |
| Sicelo | it is system-wide already | 20:46 |
| KotCzarny | hoo-ray? | 20:46 |
| Sicelo | just this non-saving issue | 20:46 |
| ceene | gconftool-2 --type string /apps/osso/inputmethod/default-plugins/finger -s him_cellwriter | 20:47 |
| ceene | so i do that | 20:47 |
| Sicelo | yeah | 20:47 |
| ceene | and instead of the virtual keyboard | 20:47 |
| ceene | the cell thing will appear so i can write there | 20:47 |
| Sicelo | exactly :) | 20:47 |
| Sicelo | first time you may need to reboot | 20:47 |
| ceene | is there something else i need to run first to configure? | 20:47 |
| Sicelo | nothing besides that gconf one-liner | 20:48 |
| ceene | rebooting then | 20:50 |
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| ceene | uhm | 20:58 |
| ceene | it works | 20:58 |
| Sicelo | looks like there's even a gui for it :) | 20:58 |
| Sicelo | http://intranet/Home/MorningWorship?Length=4 | 20:58 |
| ceene | i didn't expect that | 20:58 |
| Sicelo | never seen this before | 20:58 |
| Sicelo | yes, haha. it works | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:58 |
| Sicelo | ah.. bad link .. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86640 | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | funnily how many things work on n900, isnt it? | 20:59 |
| ceene | yep | 20:59 |
| ceene | with a little more attention it could have been huge | 20:59 |
| ceene | and | 21:00 |
| ceene | the thing is that i have to train it | 21:00 |
| ceene | and the problem is that it loses the training files? | 21:00 |
| Sicelo | yes | 21:00 |
| ceene | so it's basically useless right now | 21:01 |
| Arch-TK | ceene: what? n900? | 21:01 |
| ceene | Arch-TK: yep | 21:01 |
| Sicelo | if you don't reboot, it's useful :D | 21:01 |
| ceene | i think the saving code is there | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:01 |
| Arch-TK | ceene: I don't know about that, people don't like options, customisation and configurability. | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | people who use n900 do like options | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | and customisation | 21:01 |
| Arch-TK | ceene: people like monolithic crap which lets you configure the colour and that's it. | 21:01 |
| Arch-TK | That's a minority. | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | people who like monolithic crap buy mainstream phones | 21:02 |
| Arch-TK | yes | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | people who use n900 buy it for specific reasons | 21:02 |
| ceene | i don't think that's completely true | 21:02 |
| ceene | look at the huge number of cyanogen installs | 21:02 |
| Arch-TK | that's why n900 wouldn't have been huge ever | 21:02 |
| Arch-TK | that's still a minority | 21:02 |
| ceene | that's people wanting to do something more than what stock android does | 21:02 |
| ceene | you have to admit that the n900 is lacking lots of things | 21:03 |
| ceene | people want phones that work | 21:03 |
| ceene | and as much as i love my n900 there are things which doesn't does as well as other phones | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | well, my phone works | 21:03 |
| ceene | and that's now with cssu | 21:03 |
| ceene | imagine back then when it was released | 21:03 |
| ceene | that couldn't do portrait mode :) | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | and it had non working player (not up to my expectations) so i wrote myself one | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | so in the end it WORKS as i want | 21:04 |
| Arch-TK | I guess the main issue I have with n900 is that all of the browser options I've tried have been rather sub-standard. | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | main problem with the browser is lack of memory | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | no going around that | 21:04 |
| ceene | i've resorted to using midori under debian | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | even on desktop 128MB for firefox is under reqs | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | 512MB of RAM | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:05 |
| Arch-TK | n900 users and cyanogen users are a minority (or just users of the lesser known android phones who are also not quite interested in what CM can do. | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | now do you expect 128M of ram to render monstrosities with all features? | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK | from me experience one needs about 16 GB of RAM to really use Firefox without issues on desktop :) | 21:07 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 21:07 |
| KotCzarny | now, even simple webpagees can easily eat memory in a blink | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | 10 full size images and you start swapping like crazy | 21:08 |
| Sicelo | Arch-TK: so what is your point? | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | now, fremantle on n9 would be huge | 21:09 |
| Arch-TK | My point is that n900 wouldn't have been huge even with more attention. | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 21:09 |
| Arch-TK | It's something I want and many people like me like, but something nobody else wants. | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | in 2009 it had a chance | 21:09 |
| kerio | btw , safari sis like the best browser i've ever used | 21:10 |
| Arch-TK | It's just the sad truth, the reality. | 21:10 |
| kerio | *is | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | now, if you dont need fancy web rendering, its very usable | 21:10 |
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| Sicelo | ok Arch-TK. gotcha | 21:12 |
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| KotCzarny | we can easily use linux software, unless we run out of hardware specs | 21:13 |
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| KotCzarny | that's why i always wanted to slim it down as much as possible | 21:14 |
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| ceene | what i don't like of cellwriter is that it fills the enter screen | 21:39 |
| ceene | i expected it to fill just one arrow of cells | 21:39 |
| ceene | so i can see what was written previously | 21:39 |
| KotCzarny | you are a coder, you should manage | 21:39 |
| ceene | lol | 21:40 |
| ceene | yes | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:40 |
| ceene | but i don't always have the time or the interest :P | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | now you have interest :P | 21:40 |
| ceene | but the interest has to surpass the lazyness | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | in this case it does | 21:40 |
| ceene | lol | 21:40 |
| ceene | i don't know | 21:40 |
| ceene | although i like very much that it's written on C | 21:41 |
| ceene | that scores points in favor of doing something with it | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | i see fellow c lover? | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | c++ is nice but tends to obfuscate too much in the process | 21:41 |
| ceene | yes, very much | 21:42 |
| ceene | i could survive yappari because, to be honest, it's very well written | 21:42 |
| ceene | and it's more qt than c++ | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | qt is c++ | 21:42 |
| ceene | so it's quite constrained to c with classes and little more | 21:42 |
| ceene | in theory yes | 21:42 |
| ceene | in practice it could have been hell itself | 21:42 |
| ceene | but it's something manageable | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | i manage c++ libs by hacking c interfaces into them | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | make libyappari | 21:43 |
| ceene | that's something that i really won't do :P | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:43 |
| ceene | i don't even know how to write UIs | 21:43 |
| ceene | if it weren't because the interface is already done | 21:44 |
| ceene | i wouldn't even know where to start coding one | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ choose toolkit | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | i wrote complete app in pygtk because i was lazy | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | it started as some proof of concept | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | then.. just happened | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | but its inefficient a bit | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | still, i can close it after setting playlist and core will continue to work, so its passable | 21:47 |
| ceene | there's a newer version of cellwriter | 21:49 |
| ceene | not for maemo specifically | 21:49 |
| ceene | well, there are several versions | 21:50 |
| ceene | latest says this: | 21:50 |
| ceene | * Possible fix for profile not being saved correctly. Return code was not being correctly checked. | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:50 |
| ceene | i don't like the 'possible' | 21:50 |
| ceene | i have several like that on yappari | 21:50 |
| ceene | and they always mean "Don't" | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | if it can barf out, it will? | 21:51 |
| ceene | i guess | 21:51 |
| bencoh | :] | 22:03 |
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| Sicelo | anyone looked at linkedin API? i'm 'forced' to have to use LinkedIn for something .. but it looks like the API is almost closed. Or am I missing something? Basically I would be happy if someone (myself) could write a working LinkedIn application for N900 | 22:16 |
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| KotCzarny | they have web interface? | 22:17 |
| Sicelo | website? of course, but microb can't handle it | 22:17 |
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| KotCzarny | fennec? | 22:18 |
| ceene | midori_ | 22:18 |
| ceene | ___>??? | 22:18 |
| ceene | what happened to my keyboard | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:19 |
| ceene | that-s for playing with cellwriter | 22:19 |
| ceene | ''??--___ | 22:19 |
| ceene | done | 22:19 |
| ceene | :P | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:19 |
| ceene | i think midori from debian is the best browser on maemo right now | 22:20 |
| ceene | i won't get tired of advising it | 22:20 |
| Sicelo | i'll try it :) | 22:20 |
| ceene | by the way, does anybody know a way to sync google contacts, including photo, to anything else, such as owncloud, a carddav server or something more standard? | 22:24 |
| ceene | i've found things which doesn't support pictures, which is what I'm most interested in | 22:24 |
| bencoh | ceene: "midori from debian"? | 22:26 |
| bencoh | straight from squeeze? | 22:26 |
| ceene | bencoh: in practice that means installing easy debian | 22:26 |
| bencoh | ah | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:26 |
| bencoh | I dont really like the easy-debian idea | 22:26 |
| ceene | why not? | 22:27 |
| bencoh | partly because of the lack of memory | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | a bit of overhead | 22:27 |
| ceene | storage is cheap | 22:27 |
| ceene | ram is not, of course | 22:27 |
| ceene | but if you're only going to run a couple applications | 22:28 |
| ceene | you won't notice | 22:28 |
| ceene | midori, even having to use debian's libraries and not reusing those from maemo, runs much more faster than any other browser | 22:28 |
| ceene | so even if in theory using easy debian is an overhead, it simply works better | 22:28 |
| ceene | if i had another n900 i'd consider just running debian on it, with no maemo | 22:29 |
| Sicelo | :) | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK | ceene: saw a talk from a guy doing just that today on a conference | 22:29 |
| Sicelo | it works pretty well | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK | ceene: with a vanilla kernel :) | 22:29 |
| bencoh | M4rtinK: who? | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK | bencoh: Pavel Machek | 22:30 |
| Sicelo | N900 kernel guru | 22:30 |
| Sicelo | any link available? | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/ | 22:30 |
| Sicelo | thx | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | talk synopsis: http://openalt.cz/2015/cs/visitor_events.html#event_278 (in Czech though) | 22:31 |
| M4rtinK | and IIRC there should be video some time later | 22:31 |
| bencoh | "New Mer is "broken beyond repair" for n900.. as it uses qt5" so true :/ | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, pavel machek sounds familiar | 22:31 |
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| Sicelo | submitted many patches for n900 | 22:34 |
| Sicelo | i might be mistaken, but i vaguely recall he worked for nokia at some point. | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | https://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/ | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | links2 browser | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | ftp://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/pub/local/pmk/qweb/ | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | and other stuff | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | qweb is web browser | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, looks like I have found his slides from the talk | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | aged now | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK | they are in Czech though | 22:42 |
| l_bratch | Good evening! Is there a way to make osso-xterm (or another Maemo terminal) give an alert when receiving a bell? (like how xterm can set urgent on bell to flash the window on a regular Linux system) | 22:45 |
| bencoh | now that's a good question | 22:46 |
| bencoh | I doubt it, but I guess you could patch it :) | 22:46 |
| Sicelo | what do you need it for? might be easier to patch your application | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | nope, bell (ctrl-g) is standard | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | and its up to terminal what to do with it | 22:47 |
| Sicelo | in short, it is not supported in xterminal | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | is it? | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | last time i checked xterm did the audio bell | 22:48 |
| l_bratch | The reason I need it is that I'd like to get irssi alerts to give me a beep and/or an LED flash! And the reason I'm using irssi rather than XChat is because I can use irssi in a screen session over Mosh so I don't need to worry about roaming between networks... | 22:49 |
| Sicelo | N900 xterminal? let's exchange N900s | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | you mean osso-term? :P | 22:49 |
| bencoh | I stopped using osso-xterm a really long time ago, I just use xterm | 22:49 |
| Sicelo | aha .. l_bratch .. easiest way is use one of the perl scripts. that's why i asked what you want to do with it. adjust the script to play a desired sound | 22:50 |
| l_bratch | Sicelo: an irssi perl script? | 22:50 |
| Sicelo | yes, from irssi's official repo | 22:51 |
| l_bratch | I was thinking about that, but I can't think of a good way to get a remote script (I'm running irssi remotely!) to somehow traverse back through my screen session and trigger a load alert on my N900 | 22:51 |
| l_bratch | a local alert* | 22:51 |
| Sicelo | ah. i get you | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | told you | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | he needs working terminal | 22:51 |
| Sicelo | ? | 22:51 |
| l_bratch | (hence why I thought utilising terminal bells would be the best answer) | 22:51 |
| bencoh | just tried bells in osso-xterm and it just doesnt do anything ... no flash, no sound, no notif ... nothing. you'll have to patch it :) | 22:52 |
| l_bratch | OK, I'll look into patching it! | 22:52 |
| Sicelo | of course bells don't work. | 22:52 |
| bencoh | l_bratch: vbell is the indeed the right way :) | 22:52 |
| l_bratch | does hildon-desktop trigger an alert/beep/etc. on a normal X11 urgent hint? | 22:52 |
| bencoh | that's the other thing I was gonna check ;) | 22:53 |
| l_bratch | hehe :D | 22:53 |
| bencoh | let's try with xterm | 22:53 |
| bencoh | (the real one) | 22:53 |
| l_bratch | ha, I was just installing xterm! | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | mrxvt? aterm? | 22:53 |
| bencoh | l_bratch: nope :( | 22:55 |
| l_bratch | damn | 22:55 |
| bencoh | let's patch hildon-desktop as well? :D | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | it can just play sound | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:56 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: ? | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | on bell | 22:56 |
| bencoh | who/what? | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | terminal | 22:56 |
| bencoh | yeah, but H-D properly handling wm urgency hint would be nice | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:57 |
| l_bratch | bah, confirmed locally too: no response to urgency hint | 22:59 |
| l_bratch | well, I will try to produce a patch for both things | 22:59 |
| Sicelo | ceene: which ED image you use? | 22:59 |
| * l_bratch better get the Maemo SDK working then | 23:00 | |
| l_bratch | thanks for the help everyone :) | 23:00 |
| bencoh | that reminds me I should probably patch urxvt to not set the urgencyhint when it has focus | 23:01 |
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| ceene | Sicelo: don't remember... | 23:18 |
| ceene | the latest? | 23:18 |
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