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| bencoh | jonwil: :-) | 00:43 |
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| Pali | yes, libcodelockui is also good! | 00:43 |
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| Vajb | Sicelo: i fix that usb problem just by reselcting peripheral mode in usb mode menu | 08:15 |
| Vajb | reselecting* | 08:15 |
| KotCzarny | but reselecting would work only once | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | then button becomes inactive | 08:17 |
| Sicelo009N | Vajb: makes sense. ke-recv-test roughly does the same.i had only tried one out of the two possibilities | 08:24 |
| Vajb | it works one time enough KotCzarny :) | 08:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:26 |
| Vajb | also i avoid that problem completely by plugging in charger first to phone and second to wall socket | 08:27 |
| kerio | the stuck usb? | 08:27 |
| kerio | yea that's annoying | 08:27 |
| Vajb | yes stuck usb | 08:27 |
| kerio | i usually reboot :\ | 08:27 |
| kerio | it consistently happens if i attach the charger and then power on | 08:28 |
| Vajb | i reboot only to recalibrate bme | 08:28 |
| KotCzarny | i reboot usually when battery drains out | 08:28 |
| Vajb | btw does anyone else have keys wearing out? | 08:29 |
| KotCzarny | keycaps or not registering clicking? | 08:29 |
| Vajb | my ask and l are soon completely white | 08:29 |
| Vajb | a,s,k* | 08:29 |
| KotCzarny | do you use nails to press them? | 08:29 |
| Vajb | no | 08:29 |
| KotCzarny | then you are typing too much | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:30 |
| Vajb | just my gentle climber fingers :D | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | but keycaps are easily replaceable | 08:30 |
| Vajb | (i heard they are kinda rough) | 08:30 |
| Vajb | one by one or whole part? | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | whole part | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | its one piece | 08:31 |
| Vajb | yea that's what i thought but asked anyway | 08:31 |
| Vajb | hmm maybe some stickers could do the job too | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | you can also cannibalize some poor 'no telephony functions' or 'charger port broken' device | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | um | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | nail varnish?(or whatever its called) | 08:32 |
| Vajb | nail paint remover? | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | no | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | the other thing | 08:32 |
| Vajb | paint itself | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, but colorless | 08:32 |
| Vajb | hmm | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | translucent | 08:32 |
| Vajb | ah to protect keys beforehand | 08:33 |
| Vajb | nice idea, but too late for me :) | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | try on the already worn kb first to see if it doesnt break anything | 08:33 |
| Vajb | i think i would need to use some harsh cleaning solution first to make it stick better | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | i think it sticks to almost anything | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | could be chipping out tho anyway | 08:34 |
| Vajb | true, but if there is some grease leftovers from fingertips | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | isopropanol | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | not that harsh yet doing its work | 08:35 |
| Vajb | moonshine! | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | would work too | 08:35 |
| Vajb | what i good reason to cook it | 08:36 |
| Vajb | "oh mr police i made it for cleaning purposes only" | 08:36 |
| Vajb | hmm i=a | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | isopropanol is very cheap :P | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | also, for cleaning purposes 100-200ml is plenty, not 5l :P | 08:37 |
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| Vajb | haha from 5l one has plenty to sip from | 08:38 |
| Sicelo009N | Vajb: by the way i removed the "peripheral mode" status menu item on my N900 long ago :) | 08:55 |
| Vajb | oh. So you don't use usb mode or you change it by other means? | 08:56 |
| Vajb | usb host mode | 08:56 |
| Sicelo009N | i use usb mode, rarely .. from application menu. just didn't like having a bit too much on status menu | 08:56 |
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| Sicelo009N | on 2nd N900 i still have it on status menu (which reminds me to remove it) ... not too fond of 'long' status menu | 09:01 |
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| Vajb | oh right. Didn't even realize it was there. I rarely use applications menu. I just have all programs i use shortcutted on desktop. | 09:22 |
| Vajb | btw i asked this long time ago and apparently it is not too relevant or is hard to do, but is it possible to hide that "two windows" button in top left corner? It isn't really needed since i use ctrl+backspace to switch between programs. | 09:24 |
| Vajb | and to be clearer, i didn't got answer first time i asked :) | 09:24 |
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| Vajb | hmm let me rephrase myself once more. Is there a way to hide "see running apps" button in top left corner? | 09:32 |
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| Sicelo009N | i doubt. you possibly could "hide" it by replacing its image but the functionality would still be there, my guess | 09:38 |
| Vajb | yes, that is exact case with maemeego theme. It hides button, but functionality is still there. | 09:41 |
| * Sicelo009N uses stock themes only | 09:43 | |
| Sicelo009N | btw, why you want to remove that button | 09:44 |
| Vajb | just my obsession of "slim things". It's not needed because i can access it via ctrl+backspace | 09:44 |
| Vajb | so for me it is silly to get there by two ways | 09:45 |
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| Sicelo009N | in the corner it's not taking up much screen estate :) | 09:47 |
| Sicelo009N | not saying you shouldn't remove it | 09:47 |
| Vajb | true | 09:49 |
| Vajb | tho i would do it just because it can be done :) | 09:49 |
| Vajb | if it could be done | 09:49 |
| Vajb | does anyone know where to start digging, if i try to remove it? | 09:50 |
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| Sicelo009N | dunno .. but that sounds like some deep hildon stuff. or fiddle with the dbus messages? :/ | 10:03 |
| Sicelo009N | maybe better luck via dbus | 10:03 |
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| swift110-phone | Hey | 10:06 |
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| swift110-phone | Ok | 10:08 |
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| Vajb | hmm maybe dbus yeah | 10:13 |
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| Vajb | ok mdbus2 -l shows absolutely nothing when i hit the app selection button | 10:34 |
| Vajb | i guess that means no go from that way | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | its just internal button in application i guess | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | hildon-desktop | 10:38 |
| Vajb | yea thats where im digging now | 10:40 |
| kerio | Vajb: i strongly recommend making it 0 width instead of removing it | 10:42 |
| kerio | removing it will require a lot more efford | 10:42 |
| Vajb | 0 width makes it non pressable right? | 10:43 |
| kerio | i would assume so | 10:50 |
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| Sicelo | swift110-phone: hi | 10:58 |
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| L29Ah | how do i export n900 contacts over ssh these days? | 13:52 |
| L29Ah | osso-addressbook-backup doesn't seem to work | 13:52 |
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| klopsi-u3 | hi L29Ah - sorry i don't know | 14:14 |
| L29Ah | nevermind: osso-addressbook-backup works if you su user | 14:17 |
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| KotCzarny | l29ah: bluetooth | 14:24 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 14:34 |
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| bencoh | hmm, there's some chinese spam in TMO/Community | 15:44 |
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| jonwil | freemangordon: ping | 15:51 |
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| KotCzarny | f*ckityf*ck | 16:36 |
| KotCzarny | what brick head packaged libao0-dev | 16:36 |
| jonwil | where are you getting libao0-dev from and what is wrong with it? | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | Username - mickenordin | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | eh | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | what would you expect from a -dev package? | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | headers. | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | what is included? /usr/share/doc/readme | 16:38 |
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| jonwil | KotCzarny, I suspect if you installed libao-dev from extras-devel (which is where I guess you got libao0-dev from) then you would get the header files you want | 16:46 |
| swift110-phone | What devices is maemo on? | 16:49 |
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| KotCzarny | swift110-phone: nokia 770, n8x0, n900 | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil: miss, its from extras-devel | 16:55 |
| Sicelo009N | & N9 (although many would like to not call it Maemo) | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | yup, harmattan is an abomination not fitting anything | 16:57 |
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| KotCzarny | anyway, libao doesnt seem to work on n900 | 16:59 |
| swift110-phone | Hmm | 17:05 |
| swift110-phone | N900 is quite old | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | if you are looking for newest maemo compatible device check neo900 | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | ~neo900 | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | ~ping | 17:06 |
| infobot | neo900 is, like, at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ | 17:06 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | but its 1000eur vs 40eur price tag | 17:07 |
| KotCzarny | so. | 17:07 |
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| swift110-phone | Woq | 17:08 |
| swift110-phone | Ok 2014 isn't bad | 17:08 |
| bencoh | 2014? | 17:09 |
| swift110-phone | Do any of you have the neo900 | 17:09 |
| bencoh | neo900 hasn't been released yet | 17:09 |
| KotCzarny | swift110-phone: try #neo900 | 17:09 |
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| swift110-phone | Ohok | 17:10 |
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| KotCzarny | funny enough libao fails with "Input/output error" | 17:16 |
| bencoh | strace | 17:16 |
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| Sicelo | swift110-phone: what are you looking for in a phone/tablet? | 17:19 |
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| KotCzarny | bencoh, what should i look for? | 17:25 |
| bencoh | dunno | 17:30 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: pong | 17:33 |
| jonwil | Been making some progress on libcodelockui but now I am stuck | 17:34 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: want help? | 17:35 |
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| jonwil | Yes please | 17:35 |
| freemangordon | :D. ok, share your DB and troubles. | 17:35 |
| jonwil | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9idqO9KygGsWEhZaEhvcnAxNkE/view?usp=sharing is my latest db | 17:37 |
| jonwil | I have figured out 99% of the private structure for the dialog code but there are a couple bits I cant work out (some help would be nice) | 17:38 |
| freemangordon | ok, will see what can be done | 17:38 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: last 2 fields? | 17:38 |
| jonwil | yres | 17:38 |
| freemangordon | ok | 17:38 |
| jonwil | also I am having trouble with a few functions that are doing weird stuff. zcodelock_password_change is doing something very werid with __OFADD__ or something, no clue what the code should look like for that | 17:39 |
| freemangordon | lets first reveal the priv struct | 17:40 |
| jonwil | ok, lets do that | 17:40 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: are those fields used somewhere? | 17:42 |
| jonwil | yes I believe they are | 17:42 |
| jonwil | at least one of them is | 17:43 |
| freemangordon | where? | 17:43 |
| jonwil | I cant remember | 17:43 |
| freemangordon | :) | 17:43 |
| jonwil | but it would be one of the functions starting with a z | 17:43 |
| jonwil | anyhow, I need zzz soon since its nearly 2am here so I will write up all the things I am stuck on and put it in a pastebin then let you figure it out and get back to me later :) | 17:43 |
| freemangordon | ok | 17:44 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: I guess field50 is actually ok_button_disabled | 17:51 |
| jonwil | I realized that a few of the functions that were giving me trouble were only ones that have gotos in the hex-rays output and that its probably perfectly fine to put a couple gotos in the reverse-engineered clone | 17:51 |
| jonwil | and then try to figure out what it really looked like later | 17:52 |
| jonwil | ok, good to know that | 17:52 |
| freemangordon | why not, we can cleanup the code once it works ok | 17:52 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: ok_button_disabled should be gboolean I guess :) | 17:52 |
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| jonwil | yes most likely | 17:52 |
| jonwil | any sign of a user of field4C? | 17:55 |
| freemangordon | no | 17:55 |
| jonwil | ok | 17:56 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: BTW, don't we have x86 code as well? | 17:56 |
| jonwil | hmmm yeah we do although I dont see how that would be any different in terms of REing | 17:57 |
| jonwil | or are you suggesting x86 code may be cleaner and easier to RE? | 17:57 |
| bencoh | you could compare both | 17:57 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: why not | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | at least we can check | 17:58 |
| jonwil | yeah feel free to check it out if you think it will help | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | sure | 17:58 |
| jonwil | http://pastebin.com/WTJe8nTW | 18:03 |
| jonwil | Thats what I got in terms of the ones doing wierd stuff I dont understand | 18:03 |
| jonwil | its possible the x86 version might shed light on some of that weirdness but I dont know for sure | 18:04 |
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| freemangordon | ok, will look at the issues. when I have time, as now I am going to do some math exercises (with my daughter :)) | 18:06 |
| jonwil | ok, no worries | 18:07 |
| jonwil | zzz time for me, tommorow I will pick up the functions I can pick up | 18:07 |
| bencoh | good luck :) | 18:07 |
| jonwil | including maybe x86 stuff | 18:07 |
| jonwil | cya | 18:07 |
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| KotCzarny | so, anyone knows what exactly does pulseaudio do to 'protect' device speakers and how to implement it with alsa or raw filters? | 19:13 |
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| Sicelo009N | doesn't look like. it's not even pulseaudio aiui .. but nokia modules for it | 19:15 |
| bencoh | see xprot | 19:15 |
| KotCzarny | ~xprot | 19:16 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Audio/Q_and_A_RE-PA and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91325 | 19:16 |
| KotCzarny | ~ping | 19:16 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:16 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: xprot is http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Audio/Q_and_A_RE-PA and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91325 | 19:17 |
| infobot | KotCzarny: okay | 19:17 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: forget xprot | 19:17 |
| infobot | KotCzarny: i forgot xprot | 19:17 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: #maemo xprot is http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Audio/Q_and_A_RE-PA and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91325 | 19:17 |
| infobot | KotCzarny: okay | 19:17 |
| KotCzarny | ~xprot | 19:17 |
| infobot | xprot is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Audio/Q_and_A_RE-PA and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91325 | 19:17 |
| bencoh | wow, that's one year old already | 19:17 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: it's probably not the best link you could find about it, but ... | 19:18 |
| KotCzarny | thanks anyway | 19:18 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:23 |
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| freemangordon | KotCzarny: there is newer info available | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: https://notabug.org/freemangordon/pulseaudio-nokia/src/fremantle/src/xprot | 19:34 |
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| KotCzarny | freemangordon: cool, can it be made into alsa module? | 19:34 |
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| freemangordon | KotCzarny: no idea, I have no clue what als is :) | 19:42 |
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| freemangordon | *alsa | 19:42 |
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| bencoh | :] | 19:43 |
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| KotCzarny | alsa is something we can use on n900 to produce heavenly chip music without burning cpu in the process | 19:57 |
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| freemangordon | KotCzarny: keep in mind that if you move that out of PA, you should rewrite half (or more) of the audio/policy system | 20:02 |
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| KotCzarny | how about ignoring all that and just using alsa mixing | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: btw I plan to either implement alsa eq plugin utilizing HW eq built in the audio chip or gst lib | 20:04 |
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| freemangordon | without xprot? | 20:04 |
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| freemangordon | speakers will burn | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | with configurable xprot as amixer toggle maybe? | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | the questionis - who will switch it on/off | 20:05 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: how would you do it as a gst lib? | 20:05 |
| bencoh | with a special gstreamer audio sink? | 20:05 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe xprot as permanently enabled thing with detection of output device (hp/device/earpiece) that will switch internally between noop and xprot elago | 20:05 |
| bencoh | can you route audio through hw EQ and back to mem? | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: not sink, just a filter | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: no | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: that may work | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | s/elago/algo/ | 20:06 |
| infobot | KotCzarny meant: or maybe xprot as permanently enabled thing with detection of output device (hp/device/earpiece) that will switch internally between noop and xprot algo | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: but, why should we do that? | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | how much cpu that xprot eats? | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | not that much | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon: its sick when i see 40% cpu burn from pulseaudio.. | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | it is heavily NEON optimized | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | it is 40%@250MHz | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | and not all of that is xprot | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | oscp deciding things takes half of that in the same time | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | *decoding | 20:08 |
| Sicelo | bencoh: we have HW EQ? | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if artifically switching cpu to the max would save some battery | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: it won;t be a real filter, but just a way to control the eq. or maybe the idea is stupid | 20:09 |
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| bencoh | freemangordon: ah, I see | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | as a system-wide Settings plugin will do the same without overcomplicating things with gst lib | 20:10 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: yes | 20:10 |
| freemangordon | not really an EQ, but bass-mid-trebble | 20:10 |
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| bencoh | it's not exactly stupid as some gstreamer pipeline might want to actually allocate an EQ pipe/filter, but ... I dont think it's worth it | 20:10 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: yeah | 20:11 |
| freemangordon | on the other hand it will expect to have eq-ed output, which won't be true | 20:11 |
| freemangordon | so the idea seems more and more stupid to me | 20:12 |
| Sicelo | interesting :) | 20:12 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: indeed :) | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: imagine it wants to analyze the signal after eq-ing ;) | 20:12 |
| bencoh | yup :)) | 20:12 |
| bencoh | "it's gone! goone!" | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | ok, so system-wide cpl plugin, with preset (or policy) per device output | 20:13 |
| bencoh | where would tis alsa plugin stand? | 20:14 |
| bencoh | this* | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | no idea, I was thinking of kernel interface | 20:14 |
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| bencoh | where does pulseaudio route audio to? kernel-land alsa driver? | 20:14 |
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| KotCzarny | bencoh, most likely yes | 20:14 |
| bencoh | (do they even use the alsa library?) | 20:14 |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: yes, there is PA alsa plugin (or somesuch) | 20:37 |
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| Sicelo | d | 21:04 |
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| Vajb | KotCzarny: maybe you remember, but i tried to use alsa as mplayer output. It plays like 30 seconds and freezes. I was listening to via headphones, if it matters. | 21:25 |
| Maxdamantus | Vajb: unless you've configured it otherwinse, alsa will go through PA (then PA will go through alsa) by default. | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | anything on console? | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | same effect if you play via ssh? | 21:36 |
| Sicelo009N | KotCzarny: oscp available for Android? | 21:37 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, not yet, my htc hero display went bad | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | if i ever get any android device i might do it | 21:38 |
| Sicelo009N | ok | 21:39 |
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| KotCzarny | sicelo, writing oscp-remote for android should be very easy, all it would have to do is to open network socket and write/read few strings | 21:56 |
| Vajb | KotCzarny: i didn't configure it at all. Just wanted to try if it is less power hungry. | 21:57 |
| Vajb | i can kinda see how it was obvious it fails... | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | vajb, -ao alsa:dev=hw:0.0 or something | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | dont remember the syntax | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | but keep in mind it might break your speakers | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | so test with headphones etc | 21:59 |
| Vajb | i know. Hence headphones | 21:59 |
| Vajb | thx, for the hint | 21:59 |
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| KotCzarny | vajb, on sourceforge oscp's page there is an armel version that's compiled with alsa | 22:15 |
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| Oksanaa | Mussorgsky is basic in terms of metadata editing and nearly useless in terms of album art (really, no 'browse' button to point out a specific picture) | 22:38 |
| bencoh | Vajb: I experienced the same with mplayer | 22:38 |
| bencoh | dunno why | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | does it print anything? | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | also, you may run with -vvvv | 22:39 |
| bencoh | cmus plays fine so I suspect mplayer tries to do something smart/funny with alsa buffering/timestamps and eventually fails | 22:39 |
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| Pali | Mussorgsky? I know just his Night on Bald Mountain and Pictures :-) | 22:58 |
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| Oksanaa | Lag | 23:37 |
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