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bencohjonwil: :-)00:43
Paliyes, libcodelockui is also good!00:43
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VajbSicelo: i fix that usb problem just by reselcting peripheral mode in usb mode menu08:15
KotCzarnybut reselecting would work only once08:17
KotCzarnythen button becomes inactive08:17
Sicelo009NVajb: makes sense. ke-recv-test roughly does the same.i had only tried one out of the two possibilities08:24
Vajbit works one time enough KotCzarny :)08:25
Vajbalso i avoid that problem completely by plugging in charger first to phone and second to wall socket08:27
keriothe stuck usb?08:27
kerioyea that's annoying08:27
Vajbyes stuck usb08:27
kerioi usually reboot :\08:27
kerioit consistently happens if i attach the charger and then power on08:28
Vajbi reboot only to recalibrate bme08:28
KotCzarnyi reboot usually when battery drains out08:28
Vajbbtw does anyone else have keys wearing out?08:29
KotCzarnykeycaps or not registering clicking?08:29
Vajbmy ask and l are soon completely white08:29
KotCzarnydo you use nails to press them?08:29
KotCzarnythen you are typing too much08:30
Vajbjust my gentle climber fingers :D08:30
KotCzarnybut keycaps are easily replaceable08:30
Vajb(i heard they are kinda rough)08:30
Vajbone by one or whole part?08:30
KotCzarnywhole part08:30
KotCzarnyits one piece08:31
Vajbyea that's what i thought but asked anyway08:31
Vajbhmm maybe some stickers could do the job too08:31
KotCzarnyyou can also cannibalize some poor 'no telephony functions' or 'charger port broken' device08:31
KotCzarnynail varnish?(or whatever its called)08:32
Vajbnail paint remover?08:32
KotCzarnythe other thing08:32
Vajbpaint itself08:32
KotCzarnyyeah, but colorless08:32
Vajbah to protect keys beforehand08:33
Vajbnice idea, but too late for me :)08:33
KotCzarnytry on the already worn kb first to see if it doesnt break anything08:33
Vajbi think i would need to use some harsh cleaning solution first to make it stick better08:34
KotCzarnyi think it sticks to almost anything08:34
KotCzarnycould be chipping out tho anyway08:34
Vajbtrue, but if there is some grease leftovers from fingertips08:35
KotCzarnynot that harsh yet doing its work08:35
KotCzarnywould work too08:35
Vajbwhat i good reason to cook it08:36
Vajb"oh mr police i made it for cleaning purposes only"08:36
Vajbhmm i=a08:36
KotCzarnyisopropanol is very cheap :P08:36
KotCzarnyalso, for cleaning purposes 100-200ml is plenty, not 5l :P08:37
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Vajbhaha from 5l one has plenty to sip from08:38
Sicelo009NVajb: by the way i removed the "peripheral mode" status menu item on my N900 long ago :)08:55
Vajboh. So you don't use usb mode or you change it by other means?08:56
Vajbusb host mode08:56
Sicelo009Ni use usb mode, rarely .. from application menu. just didn't like having a bit too much on status menu08:56
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Sicelo009Non 2nd N900 i still have it on status menu (which reminds me to remove it) ... not too fond of 'long' status menu09:01
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Vajboh right. Didn't even realize it was there. I rarely use applications menu. I just have all programs i use shortcutted on desktop.09:22
Vajbbtw i asked this long time ago and apparently it is not too relevant or is hard to do, but is it possible to hide that "two windows" button in top left corner? It isn't really needed since i use ctrl+backspace to switch between programs.09:24
Vajband to be clearer, i didn't got answer first time i asked :)09:24
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Vajbhmm let me rephrase myself once more. Is there a way to hide "see running apps" button in top left corner?09:32
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Sicelo009Ni doubt. you possibly could "hide" it by replacing its image but the functionality would still be there, my guess09:38
Vajbyes, that is exact case with maemeego theme. It hides button, but functionality is still there.09:41
* Sicelo009N uses stock themes only09:43
Sicelo009Nbtw, why you want to remove that button09:44
Vajbjust my obsession of "slim things". It's not needed because i can access it via ctrl+backspace09:44
Vajbso for me it is silly to get there by two ways09:45
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Sicelo009Nin the corner it's not taking up much screen estate :)09:47
Sicelo009Nnot saying you shouldn't remove it09:47
Vajbtho i would do it just because it can be done :)09:49
Vajbif it could be done09:49
Vajbdoes anyone know where to start digging, if i try to remove it?09:50
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Sicelo009Ndunno .. but that sounds like some deep hildon stuff. or fiddle with the dbus messages? :/10:03
Sicelo009Nmaybe better luck via dbus10:03
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Vajbhmm maybe dbus yeah10:13
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Vajbok mdbus2 -l shows absolutely nothing when i hit the app selection button10:34
Vajbi guess that means no go from that way10:34
KotCzarnyits just internal button in application i guess10:38
Vajbyea thats where im digging now10:40
kerioVajb: i strongly recommend making it 0 width instead of removing it10:42
kerioremoving it will require a lot more efford10:42
Vajb0 width makes it non pressable right?10:43
kerioi would assume so10:50
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Siceloswift110-phone: hi10:58
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L29Ahhow do i export n900 contacts over ssh these days?13:52
L29Ahosso-addressbook-backup doesn't seem to work13:52
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klopsi-u3 hi L29Ah - sorry i don't know14:14
L29Ahnevermind: osso-addressbook-backup works if you su user14:17
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KotCzarnyl29ah: bluetooth14:24
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zGrrmoin :)14:34
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bencohhmm, there's some chinese spam in TMO/Community15:44
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jonwilfreemangordon: ping15:51
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KotCzarnywhat brick head packaged libao0-dev16:36
jonwilwhere are you getting libao0-dev from and what is wrong with it?16:37
KotCzarnyUsername - mickenordin16:37
KotCzarnywhat would you expect from a -dev package?16:38
KotCzarnywhat is included? /usr/share/doc/readme16:38
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jonwilKotCzarny, I suspect if you installed libao-dev from extras-devel (which is where I guess you got libao0-dev from) then you would get the header files you want16:46
swift110-phoneWhat devices is maemo on?16:49
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KotCzarnyswift110-phone: nokia 770, n8x0, n90016:55
KotCzarnyjonwil: miss, its from extras-devel16:55
Sicelo009N& N9 (although many would like to not call it Maemo)16:57
KotCzarnyyup, harmattan is an abomination not fitting anything16:57
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KotCzarnyanyway, libao doesnt seem to work on n90016:59
swift110-phoneN900 is quite old17:05
KotCzarnyif you are looking for newest maemo compatible device check neo90017:06
infobotneo900 is, like, at, or at
KotCzarnybut its 1000eur vs 40eur price tag17:07
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swift110-phoneOk 2014 isn't bad17:08
swift110-phoneDo any of you have the neo90017:09
bencohneo900 hasn't been released yet17:09
KotCzarnyswift110-phone: try #neo90017:09
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KotCzarnyfunny enough libao fails with "Input/output error"17:16
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Siceloswift110-phone: what are you looking for in a phone/tablet?17:19
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KotCzarnybencoh, what should i look for?17:25
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freemangordonjonwil: pong17:33
jonwilBeen making some progress on libcodelockui but now I am stuck17:34
freemangordonjonwil: want help?17:35
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jonwilYes please17:35
freemangordon:D. ok, share your DB and troubles.17:35
jonwil is my latest db17:37
jonwilI have figured out 99% of the private structure for the dialog code but there are a couple bits I cant work out (some help would be nice)17:38
freemangordonok, will see what can be done17:38
freemangordonjonwil: last 2 fields?17:38
jonwilalso I am having trouble with a few functions that are doing weird stuff. zcodelock_password_change is doing something very werid with __OFADD__ or something, no clue what the code should look like for that17:39
freemangordonlets first reveal the priv struct17:40
jonwilok, lets do that17:40
freemangordonjonwil: are those fields used somewhere?17:42
jonwilyes I believe they are17:42
jonwilat least one of them is17:43
jonwilI cant remember17:43
jonwilbut it would be one of the functions starting with a z17:43
jonwilanyhow, I need zzz soon since its nearly 2am here so I will write up all the things I am stuck on and put it in a pastebin then let you figure it out and get back to me later :)17:43
freemangordonjonwil: I guess field50 is actually ok_button_disabled17:51
jonwilI realized that a few of the functions that were giving me trouble were only ones that have gotos in the hex-rays output and that its probably perfectly fine to put a couple gotos in the reverse-engineered clone17:51
jonwiland then try to figure out what it really looked like later17:52
jonwilok, good to know that17:52
freemangordonwhy not, we can cleanup the code once it works ok17:52
freemangordonjonwil: ok_button_disabled should be gboolean I guess :)17:52
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jonwilyes most likely17:52
jonwilany sign of a user of field4C?17:55
freemangordonjonwil: BTW, don't we have x86 code as well?17:56
jonwilhmmm yeah we do although I dont see how that would be any different in terms of REing17:57
jonwilor are you suggesting x86 code may be cleaner and easier to RE?17:57
bencohyou could compare both17:57
freemangordonjonwil: why not17:58
freemangordonat least we can check17:58
jonwilyeah feel free to check it out if you think it will help17:58
jonwilThats what I got in terms of the ones doing wierd stuff I dont understand18:03
jonwilits possible the x86 version might shed light on some of that weirdness but I dont know for sure18:04
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freemangordonok, will look at the issues. when I have time, as now I am going to do some math exercises (with my daughter :))18:06
jonwilok, no worries18:07
jonwilzzz time for me, tommorow I will pick up the functions I can pick up18:07
bencohgood luck :)18:07
jonwilincluding maybe x86 stuff18:07
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KotCzarnyso, anyone knows what exactly does pulseaudio do to 'protect' device speakers and how to implement it with alsa or raw filters?19:13
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Sicelo009Ndoesn't look like. it's not even pulseaudio aiui .. but nokia modules for it19:15
bencohsee xprot19:15
bencohKotCzarny: and
KotCzarnyinfobot: xprot is and
infobotKotCzarny: okay19:17
KotCzarnyinfobot: forget xprot19:17
infobotKotCzarny: i forgot xprot19:17
KotCzarnyinfobot: #maemo xprot is and
infobotKotCzarny: okay19:17
infobotxprot is probably and
bencohwow, that's one year old already19:17
bencohKotCzarny: it's probably not the best link you could find about it, but ...19:18
KotCzarnythanks anyway19:18
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freemangordonKotCzarny: there is newer info available19:33
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KotCzarnyfreemangordon: cool, can it be made into alsa module?19:34
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freemangordonKotCzarny: no idea, I have no clue what als is :)19:42
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KotCzarnyalsa is something we can use on n900 to produce heavenly chip music without burning cpu in the process19:57
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freemangordonKotCzarny: keep in mind that if you move that out of PA, you should rewrite half (or more) of the audio/policy system20:02
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KotCzarnyhow about ignoring all that and just using alsa mixing20:03
freemangordonKotCzarny: btw I plan to either implement alsa eq plugin utilizing HW eq built in the audio chip or gst lib20:04
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freemangordonwithout xprot?20:04
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freemangordonspeakers will burn20:04
KotCzarnywith configurable xprot as amixer toggle maybe?20:04
freemangordonthe questionis - who will switch it on/off20:05
bencohfreemangordon: how would you do it as a gst lib?20:05
bencohwith a special gstreamer audio sink?20:05
KotCzarnyor maybe xprot as permanently enabled thing with detection of output device (hp/device/earpiece) that will switch internally between noop and xprot elago20:05
bencohcan you route audio through hw EQ and back to mem?20:05
freemangordonbencoh: not sink, just a filter20:06
freemangordonbencoh: no20:06
freemangordonKotCzarny: that may work20:06
infobotKotCzarny meant: or maybe xprot as permanently enabled thing with detection of output device (hp/device/earpiece) that will switch internally between noop and xprot algo20:06
freemangordonKotCzarny: but, why should we do that?20:07
KotCzarnyhow much cpu  that xprot eats?20:07
freemangordonnot that much20:07
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: its sick when i see 40% cpu burn from pulseaudio..20:07
freemangordonit is heavily NEON optimized20:07
freemangordonit is 40%@250MHz20:07
freemangordonand not all of that is xprot20:08
KotCzarnyoscp deciding things takes half of that in the same time20:08
Sicelobencoh: we have HW EQ?20:09
KotCzarnyi wonder if artifically switching cpu to the max would save some battery20:09
freemangordonbencoh: it won;t be a real filter, but just a way to control the eq. or maybe the idea is stupid20:09
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bencohfreemangordon: ah, I see20:09
freemangordonas a system-wide Settings plugin will do the same without overcomplicating things with gst lib20:10
freemangordonSicelo: yes20:10
freemangordonnot really an EQ, but bass-mid-trebble20:10
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bencohit's not exactly stupid as some gstreamer pipeline might want to actually allocate an EQ pipe/filter, but ... I dont think it's worth it20:10
freemangordonbencoh: yeah20:11
freemangordonon the other hand it will expect to have eq-ed output, which won't be true20:11
freemangordonso the idea seems more and more stupid to me20:12
Sicelointeresting :)20:12
bencohfreemangordon: indeed :)20:12
freemangordonbencoh: imagine it wants to analyze the signal after eq-ing ;)20:12
bencohyup :))20:12
bencoh"it's gone! goone!"20:12
freemangordonok, so system-wide cpl plugin, with preset (or policy) per device output20:13
bencohwhere would tis alsa plugin stand?20:14
freemangordonno idea, I was thinking of kernel interface20:14
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bencohwhere does pulseaudio route audio to? kernel-land alsa driver?20:14
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KotCzarnybencoh, most likely yes20:14
bencoh(do they even use the alsa library?)20:14
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freemangordonbencoh: yes, there is PA alsa plugin (or somesuch)20:37
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VajbKotCzarny: maybe you remember, but i tried to use alsa as mplayer output. It plays like 30 seconds and freezes. I was listening to via headphones, if it matters.21:25
MaxdamantusVajb: unless you've configured it otherwinse, alsa will go through PA (then PA will go through alsa) by default.21:31
KotCzarnyanything on console?21:36
KotCzarnysame effect if you play via ssh?21:36
Sicelo009NKotCzarny: oscp available for Android?21:37
KotCzarnysicelo, not yet, my htc hero display went bad21:38
KotCzarnyif i ever get any android device i might do it21:38
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KotCzarnysicelo, writing oscp-remote for android should be very easy, all it would have to do is to open network socket and write/read few strings21:56
VajbKotCzarny: i didn't configure it at all. Just wanted to try if it is less power hungry.21:57
Vajbi can kinda see how it was obvious it fails...21:58
KotCzarnyvajb, -ao alsa:dev=hw:0.0 or something21:58
KotCzarnydont remember the syntax21:58
KotCzarnybut keep in mind it might break your speakers21:58
KotCzarnyso test with headphones etc21:59
Vajbi know. Hence headphones21:59
Vajbthx, for the hint21:59
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KotCzarnyvajb, on sourceforge oscp's page there is an armel version that's compiled with alsa22:15
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OksanaaMussorgsky is basic in terms of metadata editing and nearly useless in terms of album art (really, no 'browse' button to point out a specific picture)22:38
bencohVajb: I experienced the same with mplayer22:38
bencohdunno why22:38
KotCzarnydoes it print anything?22:39
KotCzarnyalso, you may run with -vvvv22:39
bencohcmus plays fine so I suspect mplayer tries to do something smart/funny with alsa buffering/timestamps and eventually fails22:39
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PaliMussorgsky? I know just his Night on Bald Mountain and Pictures :-)22:58
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