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| ebzzry | What is the best epub reader on the N900 now? | 05:57 |
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| KotCzarny | dont know about best, but try fbreader or coolreader | 08:19 |
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| Sicelo | epub reader -- i found dorian to be the best. no bloat | 08:35 |
| Sicelo | better memory management | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | doesnt look bad, pity it has only epub format | 08:41 |
| ebzzry | Sicelo: thanks | 08:48 |
| ebzzry | how about for PDFs? | 08:48 |
| ebzzry | KotCzarny: ok that | 08:49 |
| Sicelo | pdf stock one is fine for most purposes ... can try mupdf for faster rendering, but there's no menu ... ymmv. you can also get evince. those are the ones i've used | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | fbreader can do many formats | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | fb2, html, chm, plucker, palmdoc, ztxt, tcr, rtf, oeb, ePub, pdb, openreader and more | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | misread pdb for pdf hrm | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | oh well | 08:54 |
| Sicelo | yeah, if one needs more than epubs, then they are 'forced' to use fbreaded. looks like the op only needs epub though :) | 08:56 |
| ebzzry | so, dorian and stock pdf reader? | 08:57 |
| ebzzry | and fbreader | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | fbreader has pdf plugin, but i dont know if anyone compiled it for n900 | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | ebzzry: evince or xpdf/poppler for pdfs that stock pdf reader couldnt read (there are some cases) | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | usually those with 'no copy' flag | 08:58 |
| ebzzry | How's the speed of evince? | 08:58 |
| Sicelo | xpdf available for N900? | 08:58 |
| ebzzry | Is evince in testing? | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: xpdf is practically poppler | 08:58 |
| Sicelo | i don't remember seeing it in repos .. let me check. on computer i use xpdf a lot | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | no xpdf, but poppler is there | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | wonder whats included in poppler-utils | 09:00 |
| ebzzry | What's the site again for package lookups? | 09:00 |
| Sicelo | that's only what i see .. not poppler by itself | 09:01 |
| KotCzarny | ebzzry: apt-cache search somepackagename | 09:01 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/poppler/ | 09:01 |
| ebzzry | On WWW | 09:01 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: still :) | 09:01 |
| Sicelo | there's no popple in the repos | 09:02 |
| ebzzry | I want to know if evince is in testing or devel | 09:02 |
| Sicelo | poppler-utils contains pdfinfo, pdftops, etc | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | ebzzry: apt-cache search evince | 09:02 |
| Sicelo | evince is in regular repos .. not devel or testing | 09:03 |
| ebzzry | Sicelo: ok | 09:03 |
| ebzzry | Is there a web interface for the packages? | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | ebzzry: depends for which repo | 09:03 |
| Sicelo | ~maemo-pkg | 09:03 |
| Sicelo | ~maemopkg | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ | 09:04 |
| Sicelo | http://maemo.org/packages/ | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | for extras ones with descriptions | 09:04 |
| ebzzry | There | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | and categorized nicely | 09:04 |
| ebzzry | By the way, what are the implications of having both extras and extras-testing? Can I have just one of them? | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | ebzzry: you can have both, but extras-testing is more raw/untested | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | and usually contains newer versions | 09:05 |
| ebzzry | So extras-testing is a superset of extras? | 09:05 |
| ebzzry | strict superset? | 09:05 |
| ebzzry | Or no? | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | package gets first uploaded (unchecked) to extras-devel, then developer promotes it to extras-testing for testing, then if it gets enough votes it gets into extras | 09:05 |
| ebzzry | ok | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | thats why extras-devel and -testing is virtually raw, ie. can have bad packages | 09:06 |
| ebzzry | Do some of you run Mer? | 09:06 |
| freemangordon | ebzzry: noone, afaik | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:06 |
| ebzzry | o | 09:07 |
| ebzzry | ok | 09:07 |
| freemangordon | it doesn't make sense on n900, compared to Fremantle | 09:07 |
| ebzzry | ok | 09:07 |
| ebzzry | Before I lost my first N900, I heard there was a port of Meego to N900. How did it go? | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: compiling xpoppler/xpdf should go clean (because libpoppler-dev is already done) | 09:08 |
| Sicelo | i think so. maybe they had problems with right-click :/ | 09:08 |
| Sicelo | which is used quite extensively in xpdf | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | or they just needed poppler for some other app | 09:08 |
| freemangordon | ebzzry: there still is, but it is unusable for daily usage | 09:09 |
| ebzzry | freemangordon: ok | 09:09 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: did you read through FB app review process? | 09:10 |
| Sicelo | i did, but got a little confused, then side-tracked | 09:10 |
| Sicelo | let me get back to it again | 09:10 |
| freemangordon | just a little confused? | 09:10 |
| freemangordon | good | 09:10 |
| freemangordon | seems you;re way smarter than me, as I got totally confused :D | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:11 |
| Sicelo | i think this is meant for heavy FB users. i was only using it for keeping in touch via xmpp | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | tech smart but not mublejumblelawtrashtalk smart? | 09:12 |
| ebzzry | Sicelo: evince is reported to be in -devel http://maemo.org/packages/view/evince/ | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | there is also epdfview port | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | (using libpoppler) | 09:14 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: no, I regularly pass through some kind of certification process (certifying applications, not myself), and usually the certification docs are over-engineered, but you can get what is expected to be done. not the case with FB docs | 09:14 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: what is meant for heavy FB users? | 09:14 |
| Sicelo | just people who use many apps that integrate with facebook for example, etc. but yeah, let me get back to the page and hopefully things will make better sense today | 09:18 |
| freemangordon | ok | 09:18 |
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| ebzzry | Does anybody know if the emacs at http://maemo.org/packages/view/emacs24/ is optified? | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | download and unpack? | 09:35 |
| ebzzry | KotCzarny: ok | 09:38 |
| ebzzry | What GPS apps do you use? | 09:45 |
| Defiant | ebzzry: modrana | 09:46 |
| ebzzry | Defiant: why? | 09:46 |
| Defiant | why not? | 09:46 |
| ebzzry | Why modrana, instead of the other apps? | 09:46 |
| Defiant | Because modrana does not crash every 10 minutes and has more features then most of the rest | 09:47 |
| Defiant | ooh and it can use osm and not nokia maps | 09:48 |
| ebzzry | Defiant: thanks | 09:48 |
| ebzzry | Does the modrana in testing and devel have a significant difference? | 09:48 |
| Defiant | no idea | 09:49 |
| ebzzry | Defiant: ok | 09:49 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ebzzry: I use devel one for modrana | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | mm, another fine example of dev pissed with extras/-testing/-devel scheme | 10:03 |
| ebzzry | sixwheeledbeast: ok | 10:06 |
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| Pali | vote for ipv6 support packages: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1483833&postcount=28 | 11:50 |
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| KotCzarny | amazing even you have to go through vote system | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, should i vote without testing? | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | (because i have no ipv6 setup here atm) | 11:52 |
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| Sicelo | lol. voting without testing defeats the purpose | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | he didnt ask to test and vote, but to vote | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i'm asking | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | they are in testing since 2013 which pretty much sums up the -testing failage | 11:59 |
| Sicelo | i did test IPv6 on my N900 in the past, through a VPN tunnel | 12:03 |
| Sicelo | ah, so it's not new packages ... i'll vote | 12:04 |
| ceene | i still see no use for ipv6 | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, ipv6 will get there, local ISPs starting to add it to services | 12:05 |
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| ceene | so they keep saying | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | and it's nice because then most people wont have to pay for external ips | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | (unless they start charging for ipv6, he he) | 12:05 |
| ceene | most people don't want external ips | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, external ip is useful, very useful | 12:06 |
| ceene | in fact most people would benefit from being behind a nat that stops attacks and worms and all that | 12:06 |
| ceene | maybe for you and for me | 12:06 |
| ceene | for the 90% of the population they are more trouble than anything else | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | it frees us from 3rd party server reliance | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | but yes, what you are saying is also true | 12:07 |
| ceene | in fact, most 3g connections are through nat | 12:07 |
| ceene | and nobody seems to care | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | as long you are just consuming data, yes | 12:08 |
| ceene | and that's what most people does :) | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | if you want to do anything more, you see the difference | 12:08 |
| Sicelo | hmm, looks like i never used any of those packages for IPv6 .. did it manually. can't vote. | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: :) | 12:09 |
| Sicelo | and that VPN server isn't around anymore .. can't test | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | if you have tunnel account still active you can easily test | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | there are many ipv6 services, www, irc | 12:11 |
| Sicelo | the IPv6 was tunneled. i'll check the other services later | 12:12 |
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| jon_y | ceene: that's terrible | 12:34 |
| jon_y | we can't have nice things because 90% of the population | 12:34 |
| Sicelo | he didn't say that | 12:35 |
| jon_y | well thats the most common excuse | 12:36 |
| jon_y | so common I get annoyed | 12:37 |
| jon_y | < ceene> in fact most people would benefit from being behind a nat that stops attacks and worms and all that | 12:37 |
| ceene | isn't that true? | 12:37 |
| jon_y | I hope you like staying behind 3 layers of NAT | 12:37 |
| ceene | i personally don't like it, but I see how everyone I know benefits from it | 12:37 |
| ceene | I remember installing windows on my uni's computers | 12:38 |
| ceene | and getting infected with blaster during the installation itself | 12:38 |
| jon_y | sigh... | 12:38 |
| ceene | because thousands of attacks were reaching the new computer public ip address even before it had finished installing | 12:39 |
| ceene | now, i know how to solve that | 12:39 |
| ceene | go and explain it to my parents | 12:39 |
| jon_y | thats right, never allow ipv6, ever | 12:39 |
| ceene | i'm not saying that at all | 12:39 |
| ceene | and i'm not the one who was to allow or disallow it | 12:39 |
| ceene | i'm just saying that most people benefit from being behind a nat | 12:39 |
| jon_y | and? | 12:39 |
| ceene | and nothing else | 12:40 |
| ceene | why do i have to say anything else? | 12:40 |
| ceene | i only say that | 12:40 |
| jon_y | because that alone implies a lot | 12:40 |
| ceene | i don't mind, it's a matter or fact | 12:40 |
| jon_y | so if your parent's PC gets an ipv6 address | 12:40 |
| jon_y | now what? | 12:40 |
| ceene | now they will be more exposed to viruses and attacks | 12:40 |
| ceene | that they don't even know what they are | 12:40 |
| ceene | and i will be the one to maintain their pc | 12:41 |
| ceene | so the first thing i'd do, will be to setup our home router to do nat :) | 12:41 |
| jon_y | so your position is to ban ipv6 because 90% of the population is illiterate | 12:41 |
| ceene | no, i haven't said that again | 12:41 |
| ceene | 11:39 < ceene> i'm not saying that at all | 12:41 |
| ceene | 11:39 < ceene> and i'm not the one who was to allow or disallow it | 12:41 |
| ceene | 11:39 < ceene> i'm just saying that most people benefit from being behind a nat | 12:41 |
| ceene | that's what i said | 12:41 |
| ceene | don't put words in my mouth | 12:41 |
| ceene | s/who was/who has/g | 12:42 |
| jon_y | sure, I don't want to play the inquisitor | 12:42 |
| jon_y | but I fought tooth and nail to get ipv6 from my ISP | 12:42 |
| jon_y | "oh you won't need it" they say | 12:42 |
| jon_y | "for your own protection" | 12:43 |
| ceene | if you benefit from it that's good and all | 12:43 |
| ceene | but not everything that suits you suits everybody | 12:43 |
| ceene | i won't fight against ipv6 | 12:43 |
| ceene | but if anything happens to pose a threat to my parents computers i'll block it | 12:44 |
| ceene | they for sure don't need ipv6 | 12:44 |
| ceene | to be honest, they don't even need a computer | 12:44 |
| Sicelo | :) | 12:44 |
| jon_y | give them an ipad | 12:44 |
| jon_y | works for my parents | 12:44 |
| ceene | my mom likes her android tablet | 12:44 |
| ceene | but my dad only likes his laptopt | 12:44 |
| ceene | to each their own | 12:44 |
| ceene | gotta be going now | 12:45 |
| ceene | cya! | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | um | 12:51 |
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| KotCzarny | but people get infected even behind nat, shall we disallow email/im messages with link and www links in general? | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | we should educate, not nanny them | 12:52 |
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| jon_y | educated is nice | 12:53 |
| jon_y | unfortunately I don't really see it happening :( | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | educate your parents, friends | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | word gets around | 12:54 |
| zGrr | moin :) | 12:54 |
| jon_y | it was alien to them | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | too much knowledge at once, teach one thing per session | 12:55 |
| jon_y | I can't even hold my parent's attention for 5 minutes | 12:55 |
| jon_y | they'd go off to do their own stuff | 12:56 |
| jon_y | and/or forget the next day | 12:56 |
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| KotCzarny | repeat | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | that's how people learn things | 12:57 |
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| zGrr | My 80 years old mum likes only Linux. She struggles with Windows at my sister's place. | 12:57 |
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| erlehmann | my n900 sometimes does not recognize its SIM card | 14:39 |
| erlehmann | what can i do? | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | clean contacts | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | replace sim with new one | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | if that's not helping prepare for modem breakdown | 14:40 |
| Maxdamantus | ime, add two or three pieces of paper. | 14:42 |
| Maxdamantus | Maybe not three. | 14:42 |
| Maxdamantus | can't really say that my experience is well-tested though. I just remember having issues with it detecting it the first few times, then added the paper and haven't had it again since (and haven't removed the paper) | 14:44 |
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| ebzzry | I can't download any wiktionary dumps for the evopedia anymore. Does anybody have a mirror? | 15:15 |
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| leijjuva | .repo | 17:17 |
| leijjuva | ~repo | 17:17 |
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| leijjuva | ~maemo-repos | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bot rebooting | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please wait a minute | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb | 17:20 |
| infobot | It's great to be back! | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos | 17:21 |
| infobot | methinks repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 17:21 |
| leijjuva | muarf.org seems to be down also | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, not responsive at least | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http:// maemo.linenoise.info/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ seems to work | 17:24 |
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