IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2015-09-27

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MaxdamantusThe point with what I'm talking about is it should be a runtime optimisation.00:01
Maxdamantusand because it's content-addressing code, it shouldn't have to give up other optimisations that can't be done when conforming to ABIs.00:02
Maxdamantus(again, runtime optimisations, not compile-time)00:03
MaxdamantusCurrent C compilers are just horribly slow because of what they do.00:03
Maxdamantusconvert each source file to an object file, then at some point link and hope that they can fit together.00:04
MaxdamantusTechnology sucks.00:09
MaxdamantusBiology has already made crazy "brain" things that noone understands but which seem to far surpass computers in computational power per unit volume.00:10
Luke-Jrvectis: you don't need to emulate the N900, just the ARM CPU00:17
Luke-Jrvectis: chroot + qemu-system00:17
MaxdamantusLuke-Jr: that seems like a weird combination. Do you mean qemu-user?00:17
Luke-Jroh, yes, sorry00:17
Maxdamantusand if you can't be bothered setting up binfmt, proot instead of chroot.00:19
Maxdamantus(or are not privileged to)00:19
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Tekk_Is there an MMS application that properly handles group chats?00:34
Tekk_FMMS is capable of doing multicast, but it doesn't actually keep the information so you can't reply to the group, for example00:34
Tekk_unless you manually re-add everyone00:34
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esaym153ugh, why the heck is mmc1 and 2 mounted with noexec? How do I stop that, or remount it so it isn't?00:41
MaxdamantusMaybe `mount -o remount,exec /media/mmc1`00:43
Luke-JrTekk_: I didn't even know SMS/MMS supported groups00:44
esaym153Maxdamantus: I think I found it: http://www.vinc17.org/maemo/index.en.html00:45
MaxdamantusAh, Maemo 4 or something.00:46
MaxdamantusThat remount thing will probably also work (each time you use it)00:47
MaxdamantusOh, if the issue is partly FAT, maybe not.00:48
Maxdamantusif you're using FAT, you probably have other issues too.00:48
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Tekk_hm00:49
Tekk_Luke-Jr: actually I'm not entirely sure how it works, but it seems like other mobile OSes seem to have some sort of group chat functionality00:50
Tekk_from what I've seen at least00:50
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DocScrutinizer05group chat for SMS/MMS? that's a brilliant function, prolly invented and implemented on their subsidized phones by the carriers. SMS has no multicast, IOW answering to a chat with a group of 200 users means you're sending 200 SMS or MMS (maybe -1 for yourself). Now *I* pay 19 cent per SMS, a lot more for MMS01:10
Tekk_DocScrutinizer05: interesting01:10
* Wizzup has free sms in .eu01:11
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and particularly interesting:01:11
DocScrutinizer05~200*0.1901:11
infobot3801:11
Tekk_Well they tend to not be for large groups, to be fair :p01:12
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DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: yes, "free"01:16
Wizzupas free as internet packets01:16
DocScrutinizer05honestly? who donated that generous gift to you01:16
DocScrutinizer05you either pay with your money or with your privacy, no matter what. I don't know of a single *free* service for sending SMS01:17
Wizzupoh, sure, it costs.01:18
Wizzupit's just 'unlimited' for very little money01:18
Wizzupand: tmobile01:18
DocScrutinizer05usually you get "200 FREE sms for only 19.99 per month" or sth like that01:18
Wizzupno, it's unlimited, just like my 3g (64kb/s 'unlimited')01:19
DocScrutinizer05yes, and bs like "group SMS app" are made to lure you into those offers01:20
Wizzupnever saw that01:20
Maxdamantusso 20 GiB a month.01:21
WizzupI just did not want to worry about extra costs in .eu01:21
DocScrutinizer05it a typical offer of our "up-to" times01:26
DocScrutinizer05"up to 16 Mbit/s, up to 3 GB/month, up to 300 free SMS per month"  NO LESS than 29 EUR per month01:27
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: I can make unlimited calls (in my own country), texts (eu), and internet (eu) for not that much moneh01:30
DocScrutinizer05at least O2 changed their standard procedure a few years ago: formerly when the 30 days prepaid data volume*period expired, they switched to charging a 19ct per started minute*MB. Now they actually have the decency to simply stop the data traffic01:30
Wizzupmoney*01:30
Wizzupseems like a decent deal for me.01:30
WizzupI prefer to pay for some service and not be bothered by just how much they would ask for a single sms/text.01:31
WizzupBecause 19ct is bloody ridiculous01:31
DocScrutinizer05sure, depends on your usage pattern, often it's actually OK01:31
Maxdamantus3 GB is enough to send far more than 300 messages through other protocols.01:31
WizzupMaxdamantus: great, now I just need to find a free sms bridge01:31
WizzupOh wait... it was included in the internet package anyway01:32
MaxdamantusStupid limits based on marketing rather than technical issues.01:32
MaxdamantusCommerce sucks.01:33
MaxdamantusEverything sucks.01:33
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: the providers calculate the prices on average usage. You may (or may not) profit from their offers when you're significantly above average. Unless your provider has additional 'fair use' terms that limit your service nevertheless as soon as you exceed what they think is "average" and thus "fair" usage01:37
DocScrutinizer0564kbit/s is pretty much ridiculously useless "internet" access01:38
Maxdamantus(that's 20 GiB/mo)01:38
DocScrutinizer05it would serve me right for IRC01:38
DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: so what?01:38
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: even if I pay more, a constant price makes me feel better01:39
DocScrutinizer05it only takes two weeks to download the new installation DVD iso?01:39
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: useless? I have my ssh whereever I go :)01:39
WizzupAnd I travel in .eu quite a lot01:39
Wizzupbuying 'internet access' per country or per 'MB' is already more expensive, and still a one time thing01:40
Wizzupas an experiment I also have 64kbit/s in my home country, and it's been just fine so far.01:40
WizzupI don't know what you do over 3g - but I just use ssh, and sometimes check some trains.01:40
DocScrutinizer05I'm just saying there's no such thing like "free SMS". They been free (as in beer) when they were invented, back in the 1990s01:40
Wizzupsure, for the provider01:40
WizzupI'm not saying it's not all a big scam01:41
Wizzup:)01:41
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MaxdamantusRegarding the registers file again: https://vcs.maemo.org/git/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/bq27x00-sysfs-registers.diff;h=3f0ac979e4dfc191fa0321e15a0d7f136b1400d2;hb=d40aed045abdfa257a112079efe7e4a03d9de65607:03
MaxdamantusSo probably not something that's going to appear in mainline.07:04
* Maxdamantus wonders if there's a typical way to handle that sort of thing.07:04
MaxdamantusIs the source for the CSSU version of camera-ui still available somewhere?08:24
MaxdamantusAh, it's in community-testing.08:28
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* Maxdamantus is going to see if he can add some sort of "fix" mechanism to camera-ui.08:51
Maxdamantusso when it's in that mode, it doesn't autofocus/autoexpose, etc08:51
Maxdamantushave to keep setting focus back to closest after taking each picture, and if you want to take something like a panorama, you should have the same exposure/ISO/colour/focus/..08:52
Maxdamantusfcamera kind of does it, but it's weird.08:53
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ebzzryWhere is modified-hildon-desktop?09:47
KotCzarnyhttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/m/modified-hildon-desktop/09:49
KotCzarnycould be in -testing or just extras too09:49
KotCzarnynope, just -devel09:49
KotCzarnyusual extras-devel warning applies09:50
ebzzryBy the way, which is more practical, having just -devel, or both -devel and -testing?09:56
sixwheeledbeaster mhd is included in CSSU09:58
ebzzrysixwheeledbeast: cssu-testing?09:58
sixwheeledbeastyep09:58
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sixwheeledbeastand you are best to only have -devel otherwise you'll slow HAM down, it also strongly advised you only enable devel when you need it.10:00
abramelinHello. Does anyone know of a good calendar / agenda / organiser application?10:00
sixwheeledbeastI use the Qt version of the stock one?10:01
abramelinI'm not content with it, as it cannot remind you earlier than 15 minutes beforehand10:02
abramelinAnd there are not recurring reminders10:02
sixwheeledbeastI doubt mhd in extras is even up to date with CSSU changes.10:02
KotCzarnyebzzy: never ever do apt-get upgrade (or update in ham) with extras-devel enabled10:02
KotCzarnyjust use it to install single packages10:03
sixwheeledbeastabramelin: I believe in the Qt version you can, not sure about reoccuring tho10:03
KotCzarnyabramelin: setup a regular alarm clock for recurring events?10:04
KotCzarnyyou can choose which days of week its active10:04
sixwheeledbeastFor reoccuring things I have always used alarmed10:05
sixwheeledbeast~qalender10:05
sixwheeledbeast~alarmed10:05
sixwheeledbeast~ping10:05
infobot1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss10:05
sixwheeledbeasthmm10:05
KotCzarny~listkeys alarm10:06
infobotFactoid search of 'alarm' by key (8): 12 alarmer ;; gtkalarm ;; smoke alarm ;; alarm applet ;; ipaq alarm ;; argh - some car alarm ;; ants alarm ;; ipaqalarm.10:06
KotCzarny~listkeys calendar10:06
infobotFactoid search of 'calendar' by key (10): calendars for the web ;; event calendar ;; mod_perl calendar system ;; tkccalendar ;; myphpcalendar ;; rosenet community calendar ;; cst-calendar ;; webcalendar ;; webevent calendar ;; calendar faq.10:06
ebzzrysixwheeledbeast: thanks10:06
ebzzryBTW, when installing catorise, I got: "Can't locate Locale/gettext.pm in @INC ..."10:06
sixwheeledbeastebzzry: np10:07
sixwheeledbeastI would use catorise myself10:07
sixwheeledbeasts/would/wouldn't/10:07
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: I wouldn't use catorise myself10:07
sixwheeledbeastabramelin: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90820 for Qt Calendar10:08
sixwheeledbeast~qalendar10:08
sixwheeledbeastinfobot: qalendar is http://wiki.maemo.org/Qalendar10:09
infobotsixwheeledbeast: okay10:09
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sixwheeledbeastabramelin: the other work around if you do not wish to install alarmed for your re-occuring events is to import an iCal made elsewhere into your calendar10:11
sixwheeledbeastebzzry: There are many "widgetz" that offer limited extra functionality, however they are normally costly to system performance.10:13
abramelinsixwheeledbeast how can I install qalendar? I couldn't find it in extras-devel10:21
KotCzarnyno info on that wiki page/10:22
sixwheeledbeastabramelin: it's listed on the wiki page how to change your default calendar to qalendar. The package currently is in -devel I believe.10:23
KotCzarnycssu-devel or extras-devel?10:23
sixwheeledbeastalso worth reading the thread ^^^10:23
KotCzarnyyeah, info about install is in wiki (indirectly but is)10:24
abramelinextas-devel10:24
sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: you should know better :P        extras10:24
KotCzarnyswb: i've just started my cssu adventure :P10:25
KotCzarnycssu-thumb even10:25
sixwheeledbeastcssu-devel is experimental system updates for devs, apt-get only!10:26
KotCzarnyyeah10:26
sixwheeledbeastcssu-thumb is pretty solid I would use it only I don't wish to be forced into some of the other packages it comes with10:27
sixwheeledbeasthappy only stable10:27
sixwheeledbeasts/only/on/10:27
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: happy on stable10:27
KotCzarnyim planning on creating some dummy replacement packages10:27
sixwheeledbeaststill not stumbled on that thread of mt's about dummy packages10:28
KotCzarnyin debian its done via equivs util10:28
sixwheeledbeastThat maybe it, ported10:29
KotCzarnyhttp://eric.lubow.org/2010/system-administration/creating-dummy-packages-on-debian/10:29
abramelinsixwheeledbeast the thread only tells me to look for a package called qalendar in extras-devel, and the instructions on the wiki assume that I've already installed it10:29
abramelinAm I overlooking something?10:29
KotCzarnyabramelin: wiki page explains gotchas for qalendar10:30
sixwheeledbeastnope, install package with HAM (or whatever). Then do the instructions on the wiki so the widget will default to qalendar.10:30
ebzzrysixwheeledbeast: ok. thanks.10:32
sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9265310:33
abramelinsixwheeledbeast that's the point. I can't find any package named qalendar10:33
sixwheeledbeastabramelin: oh well it's there. maybe your repos are incorrect or out of date?10:34
KotCzarnyswb: thx, last time i looked at equivs it required some recent debian utils10:37
sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: I have never tried it but it appears to work from reading the thread10:38
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KotCzarny The mere existance of this package is a great indicator for how broken Maemo really is.10:39
KotCzarnyhehe10:39
abramelinYeah, I think there's definitely something wrong with my repositories. I can't find nearly as many applications as before, and half the applications I install don't show up in the menu10:40
KotCzarnyabramelin: it's a fresh install?10:41
abramelinYeah10:41
KotCzarnywhat repos do you have enabled?10:41
abramelinextras-testing, extras-devel, cssu-testing10:42
KotCzarnyenable extras10:42
KotCzarnyand disable extras-devel10:42
abramelinIn fact, extras was also enabled10:42
KotCzarnyand 'before' was it configured by you or some second-handed fresh buy?10:42
abramelinI reflashed10:43
ebzzrysixwheeledbeast: isn't mhd's name modified-hildon-desktop? I have CSSU-Testing but I can't search it via 'apt-cache search modified-hildon-desktop'10:44
abramelinextras-testing was only enabled in Faster Application Manager but I've enabled it in the normal one too now10:45
sixwheeledbeastebzzry: the packages is not installed but the patches are included in the system10:45
KotCzarnyswb, ask him if he has cssu or stock10:46
sixwheeledbeastabramelin: qalendar is in -devel not -testing10:46
sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: testing ^^^10:46
KotCzarnyright10:46
KotCzarnyquestion is, was it properly installed?10:46
sixwheeledbeast~xy10:46
infoboti guess xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal10:46
KotCzarnyi have mixed feeling about cssu installation process10:47
KotCzarny(it requires proper repos setup and clicking on enabler icon)10:47
sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: it had to be designed that way.10:47
ebzzrysixwheeledbeast: how can I make the patches active?10:48
KotCzarnyi understand, still, repos setup should be checked and fixed by installer10:48
sixwheeledbeastnot sure if it can check stock repos, it installs the new repos for you.10:49
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KotCzarnystill, having cssu-thumb is worth it10:50
KotCzarnyand i thank cssu team and freemangordon10:50
KotCzarny:)10:50
ebzzryby the way, what's -thumb?10:51
Tekk_ebzzry: it's a way to save memory10:51
Tekk_it's a separate arm instruction set where a lot of the instructions take up half as much memory10:51
Tekk_(for the very basic version)10:51
ebzzryYa, I remember now.10:51
KotCzarnybut is not that much tested package wise on maemo10:51
Luke-JrI wonder if -thumb is why recording calls doesn't work10:52
ebzzrySo, regarding my question earlier, how will I take into effect the MHD patches from CSSU-Testing?10:52
Tekk_I actually wonder why -thumb wasn't the default in the first place10:52
KotCzarnyluke, install stock + cssu and compare10:52
DocScrutinizer05~jrtools10:52
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools10:53
KotCzarnytekk: bugs in chip10:53
Tekk_ah10:53
KotCzarnyie. unstable at places10:53
Tekk_I'd always assumed it was the same shining competence that gave us the dependencies in packages :p10:53
DocScrutinizer05~tell ebzzry about jrtools10:53
Luke-JrKotCzarny: too much time/trouble10:53
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sixwheeledbeast~tell ebzzry about cssu-thumb10:54
KotCzarnyluke, n900 devices go cheaply nowadays, grab some10:54
Luke-Jrmeh10:54
Luke-JrI have a spare, but still takes time10:54
Luke-JrI haven't flashed fresh since 2010 or earlier.10:55
KotCzarnyflashing and installing few apps can be done in 15-30 mins10:55
Luke-Jrso I'd have to read up on how10:55
KotCzarny~flashing10:55
infoboti heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh10:55
KotCzarnyuse docs tool ./flash-it-all.sh10:55
KotCzarnyits fully automatic10:55
sixwheeledbeastebzzry: the list of mhd features is on the cssu wiki age I believe10:55
KotCzarnys/docs/doc's/10:55
ebzzryhmm10:55
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop10:58
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features10:59
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU10:59
ebzzryCan anyone point me to the customizing rx-51 page?11:00
KotCzarnywhat do you mean by that11:01
KotCzarnymaemo is all about customizing11:01
KotCzarnyand hacking11:01
ebzzryI mean, are there now things about rx-51 now, aside from it lives in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-5111:03
KotCzarnystill too generic11:03
KotCzarnywhat do you want to do11:03
ebzzryI lost my config. I'll try to restore it from memory, then I'll ask if I'm stuck.11:04
KotCzarny~bm11:04
infobotrumour has it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6397511:04
KotCzarnyfor future reference for you11:05
ebzzryYa. I remember using that before.11:05
ebzzryForgive my ignorance but what is uBoot?11:06
KotCzarny~uboot11:06
infobotN900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8161311:06
ebzzryWhat does it do?11:06
KotCzarnysee the link?11:08
ebzzryAre the Qole, Ruskie, Matan, 0xab still alive?11:09
KotCzarnyhaven't seen them on irc11:09
KotCzarnysee the tmo user statistic pages for their last activity date11:09
ebzzryI mean the repos11:09
KotCzarnysame11:10
ebzzryOhh. uBoot has bootmenu too?11:12
ebzzrycan uboot and backupmenu co-exist?11:12
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Maxdamantusebzzry: u-boot can practically coexist with anything.11:20
ebzzryMaxdamantus: ok11:20
MaxdamantusI think backupmenu is just within Linux, so it shouldn't clash.11:20
ebzzryAre there must-have apps before, that are considered deprecated now, or maybe supplanted by other apps?11:21
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Maxdamantusu-boot is a bootloader that can be used to load a desired kernel with desired arguments and a desired initrd.11:21
Wizzup"apps" :)11:22
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MaxdamantusHm. I figured out how to remove the dialogue that pops up when you connect a USB cable: uninstall hildon-status-bar-usb11:29
Maxdamantusbut something else turns the screen on.11:30
* Maxdamantus suspects it's mce.11:30
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MaxdamantusHm. Does `mce` just listen for commands from something else to toggle the display?11:36
MaxdamantusIf I disable the `display` module, the display doesn't turn on based on USB, but it doesn't turn on otherwise either.11:38
Maxdamantusbut something else seems to maintain a toggle for the input.11:38
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Maxdamantusso without mce turning the screen on/off, the input still toggles based on flicking the switch on the right, etc11:39
WizzupMaxdamantus: at some point you will have stripped out so much from maemo you'd be better of building your own mobile os11:46
MaxdamantusI'd like to do that at some point.11:47
Maxdamantusbut it wouldn't necessarily be a "mobile os"11:47
Maxdamantusit'd just be a system similar to the ones I already use, just slightly better optimised for a small device with a touchscreen and slightly reduced keyboard.11:48
DocScrutinizer05aka maemo11:48
Maxdamantusit's annoying trying to set all that up on my only phone though.11:48
MaxdamantusMaemo isn't much like the other systems I use.11:48
Maxdamantusit's probably more like it than other commercial phone OSes.11:48
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DocScrutinizer05N900 probably isn't much like the other PCs you use11:49
MaxdamantusWhy not?11:50
MaxdamantusIt's a box with a PCB inside that has a CPU and some other components.11:50
DocScrutinizer05krhrhr11:50
DocScrutinizer05that definition applies even to my microwave oven11:50
KotCzarny:)11:51
Maxdamantusmaybe if those components were useful enough and I could run Linux on the CPU, I'd want to spend more time on it.11:51
Maxdamantuser, thought you said my microwave oven.11:51
DocScrutinizer05nah, I'm already spending too much time on my oven11:51
KotCzarnythere are fridges that are connected to the internet11:51
KotCzarnyand coffee makers11:52
KotCzarnyand vending machines11:53
freemangordonMaxdamantus: there is hald plugin for detecting usb cable11:53
KotCzarnyanyway, maemo is nice enough to be used as an os, but it has annoyances11:53
KotCzarnybeing old and not being able to upgrade it to recent libs is one of them11:53
Maxdamantusfreemangordon: so does mce look at that?11:53
DocScrutinizer05yes. For example pukeaudio11:54
freemangordonMaxdamantus: use the source Luke11:54
freemangordon~mce11:54
infobotMCE = Machine Check Exception.  Mode Control Entity11:54
freemangordonhehe11:54
MaxdamantusYeah, got the source, looked at it for a few minutes.11:54
WizzupKotCzarny: amen to that11:54
KotCzarny~listkeys mce11:54
infobotFactoid search of 'mce' by key (11): #maemo mcebug ;; weathercode tlemcen zenata ;; mce ;; toolbox _delmcentries ;; toolbox _getmcentry ;; airport mce ;; toolbox _setmcentries ;; mcedit ;; weathercode kmce ;; weathercode mmce ;; weathercode mcentire air national guard weather facility base.11:54
WizzupKotCzarny: though, if people manage to get all the core parts open, you could theoretically port those parts11:55
Wizzupto newer versions11:55
freemangordonWizzup: actually, we have most of the core parts open11:55
KotCzarnywizzup, kernel+glibc is a must11:55
freemangordoniirc it is only PA modules and omap3camd that are show-stoppers11:55
WizzupKotCzarny: what about openssl? gnutls? support for newer crypto? openssh? :)11:55
Wizzupfreemangordon: right. Although cameras are not a necessary part of the 'open core' :-)11:56
freemangordonneither is sound, but still11:56
Wizzupfreemangordon: so basically the -voice module?11:56
KotCzarnywizzup, do they rely on some n900 specific hw/libs? once you have recent glibs you can pretty much upgrade them too11:56
freemangordon:nod:11:56
freemangordonWizzup: ^^^11:56
WizzupKotCzarny: well, I'm not a debian-package expert, and I think it'll still entail quite some work11:56
Wizzupfreemangordon: ?11:57
WizzupYeah. :)11:57
freemangordonWizzup: the ":nod:" was pointed to you11:57
MaxdamantusDebian stable is still using an old-enough glibc.11:57
Maxdamantus2.1311:57
Wizzupwhy would you want an old one? I don't get that.11:57
* Maxdamantus wonders when it's going to upgrade.11:57
WizzupTo be honest, I'm much more a fan of the rolling distro idea.11:57
MaxdamantusBecause 2.14 doesn't support Linux 2.6.2811:57
WizzupPackages get updates continually, but you can decide to stay at some older (more stable) versions fory ears11:58
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: thanks for the work on cssu-thumb, do you still use/maintain it?11:58
* Wizzup uses cssu-thumb11:58
WizzupMaxdamantus: if I had a choice I'd go for musl libc :)11:58
KotCzarnywizzup: i think l29ah tried using musl and had problems11:58
WizzupI use musl on several systems and it works, so I don't know what 'problems' means. But yeah, regardless11:59
freemangordonKotCzarny: yes, recently I was very short on spare time and very tired, things are getting better now, so I'll issue a new update soon11:59
freemangordonthe question "do you use it" is pointless :)12:00
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: my suggestion is to recompile next few entries in top12:00
DocScrutinizer05tomorrow mega-moon12:00
freemangordonKotCzarny: like which?12:00
KotCzarnyhmm, let me find the log12:01
freemangordonok12:01
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: tonight even, yeah :)12:01
MaxdamantusI think I've found the line in mce to skip.12:01
Wizzup'bloodmoon' :)12:01
* freemangordon is going to have some food12:01
* Maxdamantus wonders where to get hald-addon-bme-dev12:05
KotCzarny> freemangordon, would you find some time to recompile image-viewer, rtcom-call-ui, systemui ? and12:07
KotCzarny maybe browser*12:07
Maxdamantus“it is in rx51-bme-replacement/hald-addon-bme repository”12:08
* Maxdamantus wonders where that is.12:10
KotCzarnyhttp://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/maemo.20150602.txt12:11
KotCzarnyregarding musl12:11
freemangordonKotCzarny: browser is already recompiled12:14
freemangordonsystemui is some 20-30k binary iirc12:15
freemangordonand closed source12:15
KotCzarnyhmm, i just took few entries from the top12:15
freemangordonthe others are closed source as well12:15
KotCzarnyimage-viewer is closed?12:15
KotCzarnyO.o12:15
freemangordonyes12:15
KotCzarnymaxd: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement/hald-addon-bme/source12:16
WizzupKotCzarny: I totally forgot about that buildserver12:16
DocScrutinizer05lrn2useTAB12:16
MaxdamantusKotCzarny: does gitorious.org magically work for you, or have you not tried that link?12:17
KotCzarnydoc: lrnthatsomepeopledontusesamesoftwareyoudo12:17
KotCzarnyseen the archive.org move12:17
MaxdamantusAnyway, I found it.12:17
Maxdamantusthe -dev package that is, not hald-addon-bme itself.12:17
Maxdamantus(just need a single header file from that, I think)12:18
Maxdamantusalso, fwiw, I use QImageViewer, which I think provides a similar UI to the original one.12:18
Maxdamantusbut it seems to handle alternative directories better.12:19
Maxdamantusactually, that's probably not what's invoked by other Maemo things that try to open images.12:19
ebzzryI want to bind Fn+Left to Escape. How should I modify /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51?12:20
KotCzarnyi think fn is the third field12:21
KotCzarnyjust see the example on letter a12:22
KotCzarnyand compare which field maps to which combination12:22
ebzzryKotCzarny: ok12:22
MaxdamantusYay, my mce modification does what I want.12:23
Maxdamantushttps://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/d607903103bd63667fee12:23
KotCzarnycool12:24
KotCzarnymake it configurable somehow?12:24
MaxdamantusMaybe.12:25
KotCzarnybut yeah, its kind of wrong place for that originally12:25
DocScrutinizer05*sigh*12:25
KotCzarnypopup dialog should disable tklock, not tklock itself12:30
KotCzarnyusb popup, that is12:30
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MaxdamantusThat's not responsible for the dialogue or the display toggle.12:35
DocScrutinizer05right. and nobody said it was.   ke-recv-test at12:35
Maxdamantuske-recv isn't responsible either.12:35
DocScrutinizer05right. and nobody said it was.12:36
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DocScrutinizer05mce isn't responsible either12:37
DocScrutinizer05I guess poettering and dbus are responsible ;-P12:38
DocScrutinizer05~xy12:40
infoboti heard xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal12:40
Maxdamantusmce doesn't do it in reaction to anything to do with ke-recv.12:45
sixwheeledbeastebzzry: re: apps that's a difficult question to answer. Applications come and go, bugs are found maintainers disappear, this is Maemo. It's different from other well maintained distros.12:46
ebzzrysixwheeledbeast: ok.12:46
Wizzupsixwheeledbeast: what other well maintained mobile distros are there out there12:47
MaxdamantusMaybe things would be slightly different if that project to move all the Maemo stuff into normal Debian were maintained.12:47
WizzupMaxdamantus: do it12:47
KotCzarny:)12:47
WizzupI think you're just preaching to the choir12:48
MaxdamantusIt's hard, and the software is old now.12:48
Wizzup(also, would prefer it to be not just debian)12:48
sixwheeledbeastthe best advise it's to minimize your "widgetz" and becareful what you install always have a backup12:48
Maxdamantushttps://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_on_Debian12:48
sixwheeledbeastLinux distros obv.12:48
KotCzarnyi think the only distro that can make phone calls on n900 is fremantle12:51
Maxdamantusassuming you want audio.12:51
KotCzarnyassume i want12:51
MaxdamantusBut what good is a phone call if you're unable to speak?12:52
KotCzarnyand 99.999% of the people that want phone calls12:52
KotCzarnyi can speak, but will they hear me?12:52
WizzupKotCzarny: I think that can be fixed/changed.12:54
WizzupAs fmg stated, reverse engineering the -voice module will make a difference12:54
Wizzupand since mainline also supports nokia modem + cmt_speech, with that module it should be possible to "make it work"12:54
WizzupAnd like the neo900 project would benefit too12:55
Wizzups/like/likely/12:55
infobotWizzup meant: And likely the neo900 project would benefit too12:55
KotCzarnyhow so?12:55
Wizzupif you want to run maemo on said device, the core pa part needs to be open iirc12:55
Maxdamantusbenefit from the porting of Maemo to Debian.12:55
Wizzupno, that's not what I meant at all12:55
KotCzarnydebian == dependency hell12:56
WizzupI meant that opening the pulse modules is essential to getting sound to work well there iirc (at least for maemo)12:56
KotCzarnyyou dont want debian on n90012:56
MaxdamantusNeo900 isn't going to require those pulse modules.12:56
* Wizzup wants a second opinion12:56
DocScrutinizer05"porting of Maemo to Debian" err what? porting demian to linux first?12:58
DocScrutinizer05debian even12:58
DocScrutinizer05maemo *is* a debian system12:58
MaxdamantusNo. It's an apt system.12:58
MaxdamantusIt's not compatible with debian.12:59
DocScrutinizer05no, it's a linux system12:59
DocScrutinizer05how is maemo not compatible with debian??12:59
MaxdamantusIt has its own system of packages independent from any of the Debian releases.13:00
DocScrutinizer05I have tons of debian tools installed to maemo without a single patch applied to them13:00
WizzupPlease don't argue stupid semantics. Maemo is based on debian.13:00
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders what's a "system of packages"13:01
MaxdamantusDocScrutinizer05: you can't smoothly use Debian's repositories for their releases of .. Debian.13:04
DocScrutinizer05tzz13:04
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Maxdamantusdpkg and apt don't imply Debian.13:04
DocScrutinizer05pretty happy about that - otherwise we had damn systemd now13:05
Wizzup+113:05
DocScrutinizer05and of course I can use e.g. devuan's ARM repos to install arbitrary binaries to maemo13:06
Maxdamantusfor some reason I have apt and dpkg installed on Gentoo.13:06
DocScrutinizer05as long as they don't conflict with libs13:07
WizzupMaxdamantus: it's in the repos (at least dpkg)13:07
Maxdamantus# epm -qf `which apt`13:07
Maxdamantusjava-config-2.1.11-r113:07
MaxdamantusO_o13:07
Wizzupapp-arch/dpkg13:07
MaxdamantusYeah, there's an actual package in portage for dpkg.13:08
Maxdamantuswhich is often useful.13:08
Maxdamantuslrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Nov 22  2010 /usr/bin/apt -> run-java-tool13:08
MaxdamantusThis `apt` thing is just weird though.13:08
Wizzupant ... apt ... only one char difference13:09
* Maxdamantus is removing java-config13:09
* DocScrutinizer05 suggests Angstrom aka openembedded, the "linux for microwave ovens". It already has everything removed, you can start tight away with the more interesting task of *adding* stuff again. Stuff like dedicated users - everything running under root on Angstrom13:12
DocScrutinizer05right, even13:12
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MaxdamantusApparently Ubuntu is based on an actual release of Debian.13:23
Maxdamantusso it, unlike Maemo, really is a variant of Debian and not just another OS that happens to also use apt/dpkg.13:24
Maxdamantusand debian doesn't really require systemd.13:25
Maxdamantussystemd is just a piece of software that you can choose not to use. The repositories have something like sysvinit still, and possibly upstart.13:27
DocScrutinizer05maemo **IS** based on debian!!!13:27
MaxdamantusIt's based on the package managers that Debian uses.13:27
WizzupMaxdamantus: maemo was made by taking a debian as base13:27
DocScrutinizer05>>systemd is just a piece of software that you can choose not to use<< plain wrong, see devuan.org13:27
Wizzupno, you're wrong13:27
WizzupIt actually uses debian13:27
Maxdamantusdevuan sounds like a variant of debian.13:28
Maxdamantusin the same sense of Ubuntu.13:28
WizzupMaxdamantus: step 1) take debian stable step 2) copy repos step 3) add maemo packages step 4) maemo was born13:28
DocScrutinizer05aha13:28
DocScrutinizer05interesting how that sounds13:28
DocScrutinizer05~systemd13:29
infobotsystemd cabal: a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, Harald Hoyer, Daniel Mack, Tom Gundersen, David Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced kernel, or see https://devuan.org  http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd13:29
KotCzarnyits not debian in the sense debian is a trademark hold by some group13:29
Maxdamantusit's not Debian in an additional sense, which Ubuntu is.13:30
DocScrutinizer05*plonk*13:31
KotCzarny*held13:31
KotCzarnyand i can have debian tools in slackware/gentoo etc, which doesnt make them debian13:31
KotCzarnydebian is a system which is installed from specified official repos packaged by debian team13:32
MaxdamantusYes, and that's what Ubuntu is too.13:32
KotCzarnyubuntu repackages debian stuff13:32
Maxdamantusbut not Maemo. Its base set of packages aren't from Debian.13:32
DocScrutinizer05BULLSHIT13:32
KotCzarnyif you take debian os and package it your own way you cant call it debian13:35
KotCzarny(trademark)13:35
WizzupMaxdamantus: it really is, though13:35
Maxdamantusapt-get source libc613:35
Maxdamantuslook at the changelog.13:35
DocScrutinizer05but honestly who except you cares? when you want debian, usedebian! maybe wen you ask nicely, they even will host maemo on their repo and so fullfill your dream of "porting maemo to debian"13:35
MaxdamantusDoes it look like it's gone through the history of Debian maintanance?13:36
KotCzarny<DocScrutinizer05> maemo *is* a debian system13:36
Maxdamantus  * Start debianised version glibc-2005q3-1 from CodeCourcery.13:36
Maxdamantus -- Yauheni Kaliuta <yauheni.kaliuta@nokia.com>  Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:22:25 +090013:36
DocScrutinizer05no, Mr Elop's dog coded that libc6 on a sunday afternoon13:36
MaxdamantusThat's the earliest entry.13:36
Maxdamantusit's obviously not part of Debian.13:37
KotCzarnyhmm, nokia 770 is pricey than n900/n913:37
DocScrutinizer05nothing of maemo is part of debian now, since maemo is 8 years old fork of debian13:38
Maxdamantusit's not a fork of Debian.13:38
DocScrutinizer05it is13:38
WizzupKotCzarny: yeah, it's odd. more vintage or something13:38
Maxdamantusotherwise things like libc would have Debian's changelog.13:38
DocScrutinizer05it is13:38
WizzupMaxdamantus: you're really just ... stop, please13:39
WizzupI don't even know why you guys are arguing about this13:39
WizzupYou both know exactly what the other person means13:39
* DocScrutinizer05 neither13:39
MaxdamantusHow is it part of Debian and not just another system that uses apt/dpkg?13:39
DocScrutinizer05it's a bullshit irrelevant sicussion13:39
DocScrutinizer05it is13:39
WizzupMaxdamantus: you shifted the definition to 'part of debian' now13:39
Wizzupubuntu is not a part of debian, either13:39
MaxdamantusI never shifted the definition.13:40
Wizzupit just merges some stuff from debian13:40
DocScrutinizer05it is13:40
Wizzup12:23 < Maxdamantus> Apparently Ubuntu is based on an actual release of Debian.13:40
Wizzupso was maemo13:40
MaxdamantusWizzup: it really wasn't.13:40
DocScrutinizer05it is13:40
Wizzupokay. whatever.13:40
MaxdamantusWizzup: look at the changelogs.13:40
DocScrutinizer05it is13:40
Wizzupyou have your world, I will have mine13:40
Wizzupcheers13:40
Maxdamantusmkdir gaentoo/usr/portage/core/libc.ebuild13:41
DocScrutinizer05it is13:41
Maxdamantusoh hey, I just made another distribution of Gentoo.13:41
DocScrutinizer05it is13:41
Maxdamantusafk13:41
DocScrutinizer05it is13:41
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/static/e/eb42356042ac11ddbc5f8dc15ddf368c368c_maemo_overview.png13:44
KotCzarny'related'13:45
KotCzarnynot 'included' or 'licensed'13:45
DocScrutinizer05/topic13:45
DocScrutinizer05unrelated not licenced non-inclusive comment13:47
DocScrutinizer05where's ubuntu's "debian-license"?13:48
KotCzarnyubuntu is not debian13:48
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DocScrutinizer05no, debian is debian13:48
KotCzarnyyes13:48
DocScrutinizer05HOORAY we found the final truth13:48
DocScrutinizer05the answer to everything13:48
KotCzarnytruly13:49
KotCzarnyhmm, 770 for ~30usd13:49
KotCzarnywonder if it has any problems13:50
sixwheeledbeast42?13:51
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: yes13:51
* DocScrutinizer05 wouldn't be surprised if it was also the crossfoot of KotCzarny13:51
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DocScrutinizer05Aprune is not a vegetable, cabbage is a vegetable13:53
sixwheeledbeastNot wishing to start all that up again.... but even tho you can have debian without systemd lots of things and DE's depend on systemd. So it's difficult to not have it. That's is a major part of the systemd argument.13:55
KotCzarnyswb, its simple, use slackware13:55
KotCzarnyand if gnome folks sold themselves, stop using gnome13:55
DocScrutinizer05http://www.zapkolik.com/video/frank-zappa-plastic-people-57321313:55
sixwheeledbeastmeh, I use Ubuntu MATE. Works well and no systemd.13:56
KotCzarnythat too13:56
KotCzarnyregular users dont care what they use as long they can get their work done13:57
DocScrutinizer05irregular users bitch about maemo not being debian13:58
DocScrutinizer05but.... ONLY DEBIAN is debian!13:59
KotCzarnyand doc is slowly turning into old grumpy troll13:59
KotCzarnywhich is a pity, really13:59
DocScrutinizer05wrong! I always been13:59
KotCzarnyfirst step of AA program, acknowledge the fact14:00
KotCzarnyso, there is some hope for you14:00
DocScrutinizer05and a way better troll than you newcomer-wannabes14:00
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/05/ubuntu_15_04_review/14:07
sixwheeledbeast DocScrutinizer05: yep as stock it will install with systemd however, MATE DE doesn't depend on it so I easily switched back to upstart14:11
DocScrutinizer05aaah, never heard of MATE, translated it to German :-)14:12
MaxdamantusUbuntu is a derivitive of Debian. I suspect if you `apt-get source libc6` on Ubuntu and look at the changelog, it won't start in 2006 from a guy with an address ending in @canonical.com14:13
Maxdamantusas I pointed out, if you do that on Maemo, you see a few changes, starting in 2006 with a guy whose email address ends in @nokia.com14:14
Maxdamantusbecause it's not a fork of the Debian package.14:14
DocScrutinizer05yeah, right, you found the evidence that Nokia and whole community lied to us since 8 or 10 years14:16
MaxdamantusI see the same thing with xorg-server, and I suspect the pattern will continue with all the other core packages that look like they might be from Debian.14:16
DocScrutinizer05I already disclosed the secret truth to you:  [2015-09-27 Sun 12:36:48] <DocScrutinizer05> no, Mr Elop's dog coded that libc6 on a sunday afternoon14:17
MaxdamantusThe system isn't based on Debian. It's a fairly separate system that happens to use the same package manager.14:17
DocScrutinizer05same dog coded xorg14:17
MaxdamantusSo Debian == Gentoo14:18
sixwheeledbeastI am sure it's something like apt-get install upstart-sysv, job done14:18
sixwheeledbeasthttp://mate-desktop.org/ BTW14:18
DocScrutinizer05then a dude of debian QA came along, noticed the faked changelogs and fixed them with the proper correct "created debianized foobar, dog@nokia.elop.moon14:19
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DocScrutinizer05anyway pretty funny how virtually any debian tool or app _just_works_ on maemo, after 8 years of betrayal and lies about maemo's true nature14:22
MaxdamantusIt doesn't just work. It has to be compiled for Maemo.14:23
DocScrutinizer05must be a really unfortunate coincidence, not intended by the dog and Mr Elop14:23
MaxdamantusChances are you can compile it for pretty much any Linux-based distribution.14:23
DocScrutinizer05no, it has to be compiled for ARM14:23
MaxdamantusThen you'd compile it for ARM.14:24
DocScrutinizer05anyway, you're really boring me14:24
DocScrutinizer05your argument is about an inexistent issue14:24
KotCzarnywow, debian invented libc6 and other things?14:24
MaxdamantusDebian invented the libc6 package for Debian.14:25
Maxdamantuswhich includes the glibc source and some patches and build instructions and a changelog.14:25
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DocScrutinizer05proof or it's a lie14:26
DocScrutinizer05~ Maxdamantus is <reply> Debian invented the libc6 package for Debian14:26
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay14:26
Maxdamantushttp://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.19-22.debian.tar.xz14:27
MaxdamantusThis one begins with:  -- Joel Klecker <espy@debian.org>  Sat,  6 Feb 1999 12:26:10 -080014:28
Maxdamantushttp://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libc614:31
Maxdamantusubuntu just provides a diff from the Debian package.14:31
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Maxdamantusafaict14:32
DocScrutinizer05~wiki libc614:32
infobotAt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libc6 (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Use dmy dates|date=July 2013}} {{Redirect-distinguish|glibc|GLib|Gnulib}} {{Infobox software | name = GNU C Library | logo = | author = Roland McGrath | developer = GNU Project | released = {{start date and age|1987}}{{cite web|url=https://lwn.net/Articles/488847/|title=A turning point for GNU libc|last=Corbet|first=Jonathan|date=28 March 2012|publisher=LWN.net}} | status =14:32
DocScrutinizer050.1 – 0.6 Oct 1991 – February 199214:32
MaxdamantusOh no, it's a diff from the eglibc source, but you can see that it's a fork of the debian package because the changelog is mostly filled with @debian.org entries.14:33
DocScrutinizer05glibc was initially written mostly by Roland McGrath, working for the Free Software Foundation (FSF) in the 1980s.14:34
DocScrutinizer05In the early 1990s, the developers of the Linux kernel forked glibc. Their fork, called "Linux libc", was maintained separately for years and released versions 2 through 5.14:35
DocScrutinizer05so... ***debian is not linux!!!***14:35
MaxdamantusSo you're saying that Debian is Gentoo?14:35
Maxdamantusbecause they both use glibc?14:36
Maxdamantusor .. what are you saying?14:36
DocScrutinizer05no, debian is based on a system that just happens to use a lib with the same name:   Joel Klecker <espy@debian.org>  Sat,  6 Feb 1999 12:26:10 -080014:36
DocScrutinizer05and you already said debian invented their glibc err libc6 by themselves14:37
DocScrutinizer05so evidently it's not linux, it's debian. It only looks like linux14:37
DocScrutinizer05MEH, this is funny but finally I get tired of it14:38
DocScrutinizer05o/14:38
KotCzarnyhmm14:38
KotCzarnyi got another14:38
KotCzarnydebian uses linux kernel14:38
KotCzarnyso linux kernel is debian14:39
Sicelocongrats on the N9 KotCzarny. i love it UI-wise14:39
KotCzarnybut more seriously, devuan is not debian in the sense of naming and being developed by different people14:40
KotCzarnysicelo: thx, gotta still wait for the package to confirm if i was lucky (should get it in a week)14:40
Sicelobattery isn't glued, but you pretty much disassembe whole device to remove it14:41
Maxdamantusbut disregarding naming issues, it is Debian in that the libc6 package is either directly from Debian's repositories, or its source package is a fork of that glibc package I linked earlier.14:41
Sicelowhich isn't terribly difficult if you have all the toolds14:41
Maxdamantus(and so on for most packages)14:42
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KotCzarnysicelo, good to hear, because most likely its battery could be dying (was unused for at least 4 months)14:42
Sicelolikely not :) the N9 i worked on had been unused for longet than that .. completely empty. but the battery seems to still be strong14:44
KotCzarny:)14:44
Sicelo64GB or 16?14:48
DocScrutinizer05debian been a fake linux written by a bonobo with a fake email addr of Joel Klecker <espy@debian.org>14:48
KotCzarnysicelo, dont know, but i bet on the 1614:48
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Maxdamantusapparently 64 GB is only available in black, so if that's true it might be narrowed down.14:49
Maxdamantus</guess>14:49
KotCzarnysicelo, still, i'm not gonna cry, as long it works, all i need it for porting oscp14:49
KotCzarnyheck, i might even use it as my main phone14:50
KotCzarnymaxd: its black14:50
MaxdamantusMeh, not narrowed down then.14:51
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DocScrutinizer05>>According to Richard Stallman, the changes that had been made in Linux libc could not be merged back into glibc because the authorship status of that code was unclear and the GNU project is quite strict about recording copyright and authors<<14:53
DocScrutinizer05of course it was unclear ;-P14:54
MaxdamantusCan someone ban this troll?14:54
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KotCzarnylol14:58
KotCzarnymaxd: that troll is one of the few most important people for n90014:58
KotCzarnypity he has bad attitude14:59
MaxdamantusI know. I'm joking about the ban part.14:59
DocScrutinizer05I just can't stand the off topic nonsense and wall of noise in here anymore14:59
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KotCzarnystill, sometimes it would be nice to ban him14:59
KotCzarny:)14:59
KotCzarnyjust for levelling the field14:59
DocScrutinizer05yeah. leveling it for walls of null-statements like >i got another<15:00
DocScrutinizer05>so linux kernel is debian<15:00
KotCzarny(now it gets personal)15:00
DocScrutinizer05yes, obviously15:01
DocScrutinizer05I can also get personal15:01
MaxdamantusI'm more amused by >its black<15:01
Maxdamantusit's bald.15:01
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freemangordonPali: https://github.com/community-ssu/rtcom-accounts-plugin-jabber/commits/master :)15:26
freemangordonPali: just compile tested, I have no idea how to test it on the device15:27
DocScrutinizer05:-)15:28
freemangordonPali: maybe it is a good idea to enable glib cast checks while testing15:28
DocScrutinizer05now RE telepathy-ring. Errr15:28
freemangordonPali: https://github.com/community-ssu/rtcom-accounts-plugin-jabber/blob/master/debian/rules#L1515:28
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm?15:28
freemangordonwhat is it?15:28
DocScrutinizer05nevermind15:28
freemangordonanyway, what is it?15:29
DocScrutinizer05telepathy cellmo "plugin"15:29
DocScrutinizer05aiui15:29
Palitelepathy-ring is telepathy connection module for csd cellular daemon15:29
freemangordonhttps://github.com/nemomobile/telepathy-ring15:29
freemangordonisn't that similar?15:29
Palithere are two versions of it: version 1 and version 215:29
DocScrutinizer05yes, most likely similar15:30
Paliversion 2 was open sourced and communicate with ofono15:30
Paliversion 1 is closed and communicate with csd/sscd15:30
DocScrutinizer05so maybe we could actually nuke all that csd et al crap and replace it by ofono (or even fso?)15:31
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freemangordonwell, I'd guess that the initial tree is vary similar to what we have in v1.015:32
freemangordon*very15:32
Palibut with stripped csd15:32
DocScrutinizer05yep, prolly. Then they adaped it to ofono15:33
freemangordonsure, but it will be waaay easier to just RE that part. I guess :)15:33
DocScrutinizer05define "that part" please15:33
Paliand why do you want to RE telepathy-ring?15:33
Paliwhat bring us that source code?15:33
freemangordon(15,28,21) DocScrutinizer05: now RE telepathy-ring. Errr15:34
freemangordon:)15:34
DocScrutinizer05just kidding15:34
freemangordonPali: BTW, why do you want that jabber code?15:34
freemangordonthere is a bug?15:34
DocScrutinizer05anyway telepathy-ring would be a rewarding object to look into, and see if we could get it working in a FOSS version15:34
Palisame what with gtalk code15:34
Paliadding support for setting resource priority15:34
freemangordonok15:35
Paliand other jabber properties15:35
freemangordonok, cool15:35
Paliand fixing mem leaks :-) if they are too15:35
freemangordonI didn't see any15:35
freemangordonjust one buffer on the stack used to g_sprintf a title15:35
freemangordonI replaced it with g_strdup_printf :)15:36
DocScrutinizer05replacing all that closed csd etc blobs was a nice plan from beginning. And I think mer actually *did* that on their proto implementation on N90015:36
Paliyes, ofono is working on N90015:37
DocScrutinizer05:nod:15:37
Palijust it is hard to integrate it into maemo subsystem15:37
freemangordonPali: BTW, are there more plugins in rtcom-accounts-ui?15:37
Palispecially with Call UI, Messaging UI and other apps15:37
freemangordonbesides gtalk and jabber15:37
DocScrutinizer05so when ofono is working on N900, why can't ofono work under maemo, given we 'update' telepathy-ring?15:37
Palifreemangordon: https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages15:37
Paliwill look at it15:37
PaliDocScrutinizer05: just because those closed UI applications use more CSD functions directly15:38
DocScrutinizer05can you list them?15:38
PaliCalll UI, Messaging UI15:38
DocScrutinizer05I mean the functions15:38
Palimaybe also Contacts UI15:38
Palifunctions?15:38
Palido not know exacly15:39
Palilot of dbus calls15:39
Palijonwil should know15:39
DocScrutinizer05dbus calls should be easy15:39
Palie.g. voice and video calls use something special15:39
DocScrutinizer05:nod:15:39
DocScrutinizer05prolly even calls to mafw15:39
DocScrutinizer05dbus calls15:39
DocScrutinizer05at least for video15:40
Palifreemangordon: rtcom-accounts-plugin-facebook, rtcom-accounts-plugin-nokiachat, rtcom-accounts-plugin-sip, rtcom-accounts-voip-support15:40
Paliso maybe SIP and VOIP support are relevant15:41
Palialso there is rtcom-abook-skype-plugin15:41
DocScrutinizer05I nevertheless wonder who's sending those special calls. I'd think it must be telepathy-ring, or some rtcom-stuff15:41
DocScrutinizer05(rtcom) yes, SIP is very relevant15:41
Palijonwil once tried to RE Call UI application15:41
Paliso should know more about those internal stuff15:41
Pali~seen jonwil15:41
infobotjonwil <~jonwil@27-33-80-219.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 23h 44m 8s ago, saying: ':)'.15:42
DocScrutinizer05yeah, call-ui is a monster. Not going to happen15:42
DocScrutinizer05but regarding dbus, it's just those calls that are *from* blob (e.g. call-ui) to blob (e.g. csd) which give us headache when we switch to ofono - right?15:43
DocScrutinizer05hmm, or from blob to telepathy-ring15:44
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DocScrutinizer05maybe those can actually get RE-ed by comparing telepathy-ring v1 against v215:44
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DocScrutinizer05dbus logs suck because of those 'anonymous' (numeric) bus clients - we should run whole system under strace, then combine that with a d-bus log of a outbound/inbound call and thus de-anonymize the dbus log, then filter it so we only see the relevant calls which come/go from or to one of the modem subsystems like telepathy-ring or csd15:50
DocScrutinizer05then do the same on mer, with telepathy-ring_2 and ofono :-)15:51
DocScrutinizer05err s/mer/sailfish15:51
DocScrutinizer05or nemo, or... I lost track15:52
DocScrutinizer05you know why BB5 modem audio sucks so much? just because >>lsmod ->  omap_ssi               18116  2 ssi_mcsaab_imp,cmt_speech<<  the modem has no dedicated audio lines that are used in N900 but rather pipes audio through a 'connection' on a bus with a protocol quite similar to TCP (omap_ssi)15:56
DocScrutinizer05luckily that's a quite uncommon design for modem audio15:58
ebzzryI've borked my locales. Now the time shows up as wdgt_va_24h_time. How can I restore it?16:00
DocScrutinizer05if at least the protocol on that connection over SSI was RTP/RTCP16:00
KotCzarnyebzzry, reflash or copy from working device16:00
DocScrutinizer05ebzzry: hmm, you probabaly messed up the locale cache, a 24MB size closed blob file16:01
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KotCzarnyyou can regen it to some extent tho16:02
ebzzryIs it /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive?16:03
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r--   1 root     root     23911920 Feb 19  2010 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive16:03
DocScrutinizer05yep16:03
KotCzarnymine is 1.3M16:03
KotCzarnyand apps work (ie. show proper strings)16:03
ebzzryDoes anybody have a public copy?16:03
DocScrutinizer05some do, most don't16:03
DocScrutinizer05ebzzry: wait a second16:03
KotCzarnyi think you can try putting en_US UTF-8 in /etc/local.gen and running locale-gen script16:04
ebzzryok16:04
KotCzarnythough i dont remember the exact name of the script apparently16:05
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DocScrutinizer05ebzzry: ETA 3 minutes16:05
KotCzarnybut just grab doc's file16:06
DocScrutinizer05ebzzry: you can't regenerate the cache, it has a lot of strings that are non-public16:06
ebzzryDocScrutinizerok16:06
KotCzarnydoc, everything i use (and need) has strings16:06
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KotCzarnyso, one can regenerate the file (and slim it down at the same time)16:07
DocScrutinizer05(everything I use) which can't be much after your 360° weed-out16:07
KotCzarnynope, its stock fremantle on that device16:07
KotCzarnydialer, image-viewer, ham16:08
KotCzarnyand more16:08
KotCzarnybasically everything16:08
KotCzarnyname one app i should check16:08
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DocScrutinizer050c0677ff23708192bc8e46187d9dedcf  /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive16:09
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ebzzryWhere can I fetch that?16:10
DocScrutinizer05wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/locale/locale-archive16:10
DocScrutinizer05fetch it then check md5sum16:11
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DocScrutinizer05I didn't check if upload went ok16:11
ebzzryfetching16:11
ebzzryBy the way, is kernel-power OK?16:11
DocScrutinizer05mostly yes16:11
ebzzryI remember before that during "random" times, the clock speed lowers.16:11
DocScrutinizer05actually I have a hard time telling anything that's not OK with it16:12
DocScrutinizer05nah, just don't mess with clock speed. Unless you do, power kernel should behave just like stock16:12
DocScrutinizer05cya16:13
DocScrutinizer05o/16:13
DocScrutinizer05dang16:15
ebzzryDocScrutinizer05: what is the name of the package?16:16
DocScrutinizer05moved it to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive16:17
DocScrutinizer05ebzzry: package? name of which package?16:18
ebzzrykernel power16:18
DocScrutinizer05err, dunno16:18
KotCzarny~kp16:18
infobotkp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9428716:18
DocScrutinizer05~pkgs16:18
infoboti heard #maemo pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/16:18
KotCzarny~kernel-power16:18
KotCzarnymost likely kernel-power16:18
KotCzarnyread the link tho16:19
KotCzarny(before installing)16:19
ebzzryOk. Do you guys use u-boot?16:20
DocScrutinizer05you need kernel-power *-flasher and *-modules16:20
KotCzarnyInstallation:16:21
KotCzarnyFrom Hildon Application Manager install package: Linux kernel for power user16:21
KotCzarnyOr via apt-get package: kernel-power-flasher16:21
KotCzarnyas i've said, read the link16:21
DocScrutinizer05for uBoot you also need http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-bootimg/16:22
KotCzarny U-Boot support (optional):16:22
KotCzarny Or via apt-get packages: u-boot-flasher and kernel-power-bootimg16:22
KotCzarnyFrom Hildon Application Manager install packages: U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 and Linux kernel for power user (boot image for U-Boot)16:22
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DocScrutinizer05~kernel-power is <reply>see kp16:26
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay16:26
DocScrutinizer05~literal kp16:27
infobot"#maemo kp" is "http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94287"16:27
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DocScrutinizer05ebzzry: (use uboot) not really, I don't need it16:31
Wizzupebzzry: I use u-boot16:32
DocScrutinizer05uBoot is really needed as alternative to:16:35
DocScrutinizer05~multiboot16:35
infobothmm... multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot16:35
DocScrutinizer05~maemo-multiboot16:35
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED16:35
DocScrutinizer05HOWEVER! Now finally after FIVE years it occurs to me: multiboot is flashing a new kernel "endocrine" - why did nobody implement that into BM already?16:37
DocScrutinizer05to backup and restore the right kernel together with the system16:37
DocScrutinizer05I should check how multiboot actually works, i.e. how it manages to flash a new kernel. Prolly it simply invokes the kernel-flasher package via apt-get install ;-)16:39
kerionanddump/nandwrite?16:40
kerioi mean16:40
KotCzarnyhmm, last time i checked dd worked with /dev/mtd (at least for reading)16:40
keriothe way i would do it if i had to do it this way would be to keep all the kernels somewhere else16:40
kerioand flash them16:40
keriobut obviously the solution is to just boot the goddamn kernel you want from uboot16:41
kerioi don't even have a kernel together with uboot anymore16:42
DocScrutinizer05kerio: (nanddump/write) that been also my first approach16:43
kerioi don't see why that wouldn't work16:44
keriobut maybe the flasher is doing something fancier?16:44
DocScrutinizer05kerio: (uboot solution) not for BM16:44
kerioDocScrutinizer05: well, the kernel *is* stored somewhere in the backup16:44
DocScrutinizer05(fancier) dunno, at least it is more "mainstream" and tested ;-)16:44
DocScrutinizer05it is?16:44
keriono i mean i don't know if it's actually doing the equivalent of nand write16:45
kerioor if it's handling some more cases16:45
kerioDocScrutinizer05: if you have the -bootimg, it is16:45
DocScrutinizer05neither do I16:45
kerioit's in /opt/boot16:45
DocScrutinizer05yes, but that's only given when you have uBoot16:45
KotCzarnyflash kernel then compare mtd contents with the file?16:45
KotCzarnycheck other mtd partitions for changes?16:46
kerioKotCzarny: more like "break a page in the nand and then try flashing"16:46
DocScrutinizer05kerio: are the kernel-flasher .deb supposed to live on in some apt cache?16:46
ebzzryDocScrutinizer05: thanks. it's working now.16:46
keriono16:46
keriowelll16:46
DocScrutinizer05ebzzry: :-) yw16:46
kerionah it gets deleted at some point16:46
kerioit's not reliable16:46
kerioi think HAM does the equivalent of apt-get clean16:46
kerioapt-get clean also does the equivalent of apt-get clean16:47
DocScrutinizer05:nod:16:47
kerioflashing the kernel is just the wrong approach tbh16:47
kerioi stopped doing that on my sheevaplug16:47
DocScrutinizer05arguable, yes16:47
DocScrutinizer05but anyway for N900 BM...16:47
kerioubi; ubifsmount; ubifsload; ubifsload; ubifsumount; bootm16:48
kerioi was going to say "even recording which modules are available would be enough"16:48
keriobut that's just the contents of /lib/modules16:48
kerioso you could check that already, in theory16:48
kerioidk about dumping the kernel16:48
kerioversus "having it" somehow16:48
kerioand flashing it with the approved nokia flasher16:49
DocScrutinizer05is there a way to add hooks to apt-get install?16:49
keriowhat for16:50
keriothe .fiasco image gets deleted after -flasher does its thing16:50
kerioand what about custom kernels and the like?16:50
DocScrutinizer05a hook like... a script that gets called after each installed package and checks if that installed package was a kernel-flasher. And if yes, save it away to a BM depot instead of waiting for apt to do 'clean'16:50
keriobackupmenu is relying on the partition layout because it has to16:50
kerioPali: can you nanddump and nandwrite the kernel partition without bad side effects?16:51
DocScrutinizer05I already did iirc16:51
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you got a fany little (4MB?) initrd partition that's completely unused and looks like made for such experiments16:52
DocScrutinizer05pali is gone16:52
DocScrutinizer05oh, he's back16:52
DocScrutinizer05fancy*16:53
DocScrutinizer05however watch out, nanddump and particularly nandwrite don't know about partitions afaik16:53
KotCzarnykerio, check if you can read/writ /dev/mtd* with dd16:54
keriothey do16:54
DocScrutinizer05o.O16:54
keriothe mtd is divided into separate devices by the kernel16:54
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KotCzarnyyes, that way layout is untouched16:55
KotCzarnyand you dont have to worry about offsets16:55
keriobased on the partition layout that's either compiled into the kernel or passed via cmdline (mtdparts)16:55
DocScrutinizer05prolly you're right, was mtd_debug that doesn't, maybe16:56
DocScrutinizer05the latter16:56
DocScrutinizer05it's hardcoded to NOLO though16:57
DocScrutinizer05afaik16:57
keriowhat kind of performance hit would you take with full disk encryption on the n900's cpu?16:58
KotCzarnydepends, but its ~5-10M/s16:58
keriocan you even do full disk encryption with a mtd16:58
ebzzryHow does update-sudoers work?16:58
KotCzarnyyou have to boot somehow something16:59
KotCzarnyand nolo doesnt know about encryption16:59
kerioebzzry: /etc/sudoers can and will be rewritten arbitrarily as you install or remove packages16:59
KotCzarnyunless you want to move whole os into emmc16:59
kerioso add a file in /etc/sudoers.d16:59
kerioand run update-sudoers16:59
ebzzrykerio: ok16:59
kerioupdate-sudoers is basically just a glorified "cat /etc/sudoers.d/* > /etc/sudoers"17:00
KotCzarnythat way you can have some base in mtd with mount tools and pivot a t some point17:00
kerioi enabled full disk encryption on my laptop today17:01
kerioit feels native17:01
keriobut that's to be expected i guess17:01
KotCzarnyencrypted swap would slow down poor n900 even more17:02
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jon_ykerio: software disk encryption?17:03
kerioyes17:03
keriobut, i mean17:04
keriolibressl's benchmark reports 1.5GB/s of aes-128-gcm on one core17:04
jon_ywell, there is that MS thing for laptops using TPM17:04
kerioi wonder if libressl can do xts17:04
KotCzarnyi wouldnt trust anything m$ish17:04
KotCzarnyespecially if it has 'security' or 'encryption' in the name17:05
KotCzarnyunless all you want is to hide evidence from your wife17:05
ebzzryWhat is the name of "<" and ">" WRT to rx-51 keyboard file?17:05
KotCzarnymaybe its just literal < and  >17:06
keriohah, libressl can do 3.6GB/s of aes-128-xts17:06
KotCzarnykerio: aes-ni ?17:06
keriono wonder there's pretty much no performance hit17:06
jon_ytpm should be tied to several pounds of thermite17:06
kerioyep17:06
kerioi assume apple's filevault uses similarly performant libraries17:07
KotCzarnyit all depends on cpu17:07
kerioi7 something17:08
keriowith aes-ni, yes17:08
ebzzryKotCzarny: got it. less and greater17:08
KotCzarnyhuh, by literal i meant just a chars < and >17:09
KotCzarnyfunnily it worked for you17:09
Wizzup16:04 < kerio> libressl's benchmark reports 1.5GB/s of aes-128-gcm on one core17:11
Wizzupnot using aes-ni?17:11
kerioof course it was using aes-ni17:11
DocScrutinizer51ebzzry: lt and gt I guess17:11
KotCzarnyebzzry: anyway: https://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard17:13
ebzzrythanks17:13
kerioi don't even think libressl compiles in the code that doesn't use aes-ni17:13
DocScrutinizer51as in &lt;  &gt:17:14
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Wizzupkerio: uh ... are you saying I can't use libressl on arm?17:18
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Wizzupor on non-mobile intel17:19
kerioi'm saying that my libressl doesn't have any bytes that will do the inner aes rounds17:19
Wizzup(hint: of course they have software implementations, next to hardware engines)17:19
kerioif you want those you have to compile them in17:19
kerioi *think*17:19
keriobecause there used to be an envvar to forcibly disable the usage of aes-ni17:20
kerioand it doesn't work anymore17:20
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KotCzarnyi would like ssl lib using via aes intructions17:30
KotCzarnyor just use kernel ones17:30
KotCzarny*kernel engines17:30
KotCzarny    key <LEFT>  { type[Group1] = "FOUR_LEVEL", symbols[Group1] = [      Left,   less,   bracketleft,    braceleft       ] };17:31
KotCzarnyits less and greater17:32
KotCzarnybracketleft is [ and breaceleft is {17:32
KotCzarny*brace17:32
KotCzarnyhttps://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard#Switching_Layouts17:33
KotCzarnythis one is nice17:33
KotCzarnyimplementing special keys in hw map17:33
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ebzzryWhat package provides /usr/bin/keyboard-shortcut?17:45
KotCzarnydpkg -S /usr/bin/keyboard-shortcut17:52
ebzzrythanks17:52
ebzzryWhen I open the camera, I get "Operation failed", and all I see is black picture. Why?17:52
KotCzarnyebzzry, installed new kernel or camera drivers?17:52
KotCzarnyand forgot to reboot?17:52
ebzzryI have rebooted. I just installed kernel-power-flasher.17:53
ebzzryNo new camera drivers.17:53
KotCzarnystock camera app?18:01
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DocScrutinizer05ebzzry: uninstall and reinstall all camera apps18:16
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DocScrutinizer05actually uninstall all camera apps, then reinstall whatever you like to have18:17
DocScrutinizer05powerkernel comes with nd cam drivers but those can't get updated as long as multiple packages depend on them - or sth along that line18:18
DocScrutinizer05ask Pali about details18:19
ebzzryI only have the stock camera app, and fcamera18:25
ebzzryfcamera works, but the built-in camera app doesn't.18:25
KotCzarnyi think fcamera installs fcam drivers18:25
ebzzryDocScrutinizer05: how can I uninstall all camera apps?18:26
KotCzarnygo into application manager?18:26
KotCzarnyor if you are happy with fcamera just set it as default action18:26
ebzzryCan the built-in camera app be uninstalled?18:26
KotCzarnyfor lens-cover-open18:26
ebzzryI want to have both, since the default output of FCamera is too dark.18:27
KotCzarnyum, no exposure option in fcamera?18:28
KotCzarnyunlikely18:28
ebzzrythere is, but the defaults suck compared to the built-in one.18:29
KotCzarnythere are few camera apps18:29
ebzzryWhen I open the RAW file, or the JPEG proof in a RAW processor, the tint is too high.18:30
KotCzarnydont remember which one is the most recommended one18:30
ebzzryAside from fcamera, what can you guys suggest?18:30
ebzzrythere's blessn90018:30
KotCzarnyanyway, bbl18:30
ebzzryWait, uninstalling camera-ui results in a reboot loop?18:31
ebzzryI thought I have to uninstall all camera apps?18:33
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ebzzryWhere's the flasher? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com seems to be down18:50
ebzzryFound it at www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/18:54
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KotCzarny~flashing19:53
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh19:53
KotCzarnygrab it, unpack, run19:53
KotCzarnyno need for additional tools (all included)19:53
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KotCzarnyalso, yes, uninstalling core system packages can result in reboot loop19:53
KotCzarnyfremantle is very fragile in that sense19:54
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princefakhanHi guys!20:03
KotCzarnyfirst rule of irc, you never say 'hello' or 'bye', because you will never leave20:03
KotCzarnykind of hotel california for geeks20:04
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princefakhanLol. So true. I thought somehow I got away with this addiction.20:06
princefakhanBut now I realise that it was only that I had so much more going on with my life past these months.20:06
KotCzarnyo.O20:06
princefakhanAnd lo,  I am back again.20:07
KotCzarnygot married or something?20:07
princefakhanXD20:07
Siceloactually there's UGT20:07
Sicelo~ugt20:07
infobotmethinks ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html20:07
princefakhanNo. Passed high school.20:07
princefakhanAnd now I have no idea what to do.20:08
KotCzarnysicelo, unless your wife is calling20:08
princefakhanI was even thinking of leaving school for good,  as it is not doing any benefit to me.20:08
KotCzarnyyou either continue education or find practical sources of income20:08
princefakhanI was thinking of the later.20:09
KotCzarnyword you are thinking of is 'latter'20:09
KotCzarnyformer and latter20:09
princefakhanWell,  something I can learn from home,  like coding.20:10
princefakhanAh! Yes.20:10
KotCzarnykeep in mind code shops usually require some paper20:10
KotCzarnyunless you are good20:10
princefakhanMhmm20:11
princefakhanSo. What's up in the Maemo community.20:11
KotCzarnysame old20:12
princefakhanAny new developments? Last time I checked, our repository were gone for good and we were backing up all we could,  and create mirror repos.20:13
KotCzarny~maemo-repos20:13
infoboti heard maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories20:13
princefakhan:)20:14
KotCzarny2 at the moment, maybe i should add mine20:14
princefakhanAnd what's the progress on the rebasing of Maemo on latest Linux kernel.20:15
KotCzarnystill no working cmt-speech module20:15
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princefakhanOh! I think there are plenty more repos too.20:15
princefakhanOh! We will get around eventually.20:16
princefakhanAnd there was this Freemantle project?20:17
KotCzarnynever heard20:17
princefakhanI should maybe check the forums. :)20:17
KotCzarnyyes, that would be good starting point20:17
princefakhanYou know, so Maemo could run on other devices.  Specifically neo90020:18
princefakhan:P20:18
KotCzarnyyou should join #neo900 for that specific platform20:18
kerioi wonder if i can extend a ubifs partition "upwards"20:20
KotCzarnyprobably yes, but then only upward layer would write things20:20
KotCzarny(overlayfs?)20:21
keriono no20:21
keriolike20:21
keriobefore20:21
kerioin the mtd20:21
kerioas opposed to extending it afterwards20:21
keriowhich is a basic feature of pretty much every filesystem20:21
KotCzarnynand is scarce20:21
KotCzarnyi would leave it for battery charging/rescue/booting20:22
kerionot on my sheevaplug, i've got a kernel partition i'm no longer using20:22
kerio:>20:22
KotCzarnyahm, not n900 specific20:22
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ebzzrywhere does harmattan-black live? what repo?20:55
KotCzarnywhat?20:55
ebzzrythe theme20:55
KotCzarnyahm20:55
KotCzarnyhttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/h/harmattan-black/20:56
KotCzarnylooks like extras-devel at least20:56
ebzzrythanks20:56
ebzzryA related question, what packages that are in -devel that you install20:56
KotCzarnyoscp20:56
KotCzarnypierogi20:56
KotCzarnyrest is from extras or cssu-thumb20:56
ebzzrydo you use cssu-thumb exclusively, that is without the other cssu-* repos?20:57
KotCzarnycssu-thumb enables cssu-testing i think20:57
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KotCzarnyas it overlays it20:57
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ebzzryupon inspection of the .install file, it does.21:00
KotCzarnyif you plan on installing cssu-thumb do it via installer, then click enabler in apps21:00
KotCzarnyyou shouldnt just add repos21:01
ebzzryok21:01
ebzzrywhat is the disadvantage of just adding the repos?21:01
KotCzarnybroken system?21:01
KotCzarnyfor one it requires cssu kernel or power kernel21:01
ebzzryOK21:02
KotCzarnyalso it replaces some essential packages21:02
ebzzryBy the way, are the Nokia repos at http://maemo-repos.com/apt-mirror/ still relevant?21:03
KotCzarnyum21:03
KotCzarnynever seen that site21:03
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ebzzryAre the Nokia repos still usable?21:03
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KotCzarny~maemo-repos21:04
infobothmm... maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories21:04
ebzzrythanks.21:05
ebzzrywhat stuff are in the nokia repos that are deemed "important"?21:05
KotCzarnynothing you dont already have installed21:05
ebzzryKotCzarny: ok21:06
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KotCzarnybut sometimes if you play with os too much you would want to restore some package21:07
KotCzarny(without reflashing etc)21:07
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