IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2015-09-21

ceeneyappari 2.0.21 is out00:37
ceeneexcept for implementing textsecure, i don't see any other way of making it behave more like S40 official version00:37
ceeneprotocol wise, of course, there's still missing functionality and all that00:38
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Siceloceene: \m/01:01
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Vajbhooray. In version 2.0.21 of yappari i was finally able to leave group. Remains to be seen if yappari will be stable now.08:56
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ceenei hope so too09:38
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Vajbi think i tried to leave group since version .18. I even deleted the group log from yappari folder, but still that group stayed in my history.10:37
KotCzarnydlna is evil10:38
Vajbsounds more like plain stupid for me :)10:48
KotCzarnynope, planned evil10:49
KotCzarnyone good thing it's standardizing to some little subset10:49
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KotCzarnybad thing, makes ligthweight embedded server impossible without pricy hardware10:50
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Vajbbut cpu sellers will happily sell u their newest cpu :)10:51
KotCzarnysee tht pricy hardware part10:51
Vajbjust tried to be sarcastic :p10:51
Siceloum, dlna is evil?10:53
KotCzarnyit is castrated upnp a/v10:53
* Sicelo goes to the article ... at this rate what won't be evil??10:53
bencoheverything is evil10:54
KotCzarnyarticle is from 2011, some things might have changed since that time10:54
KotCzarnysicelo: open standards and no patents10:56
KotCzarny(and yeah, looking to add upnp/dlna client support to oscp)10:59
Vajbso then it would be able to serve as media server for ps3, right?11:01
KotCzarnyno, client, not server11:03
KotCzarnyfor ps3 see the ushare11:03
KotCzarnypeople donated ps3 to libdlna/ushare author11:03
KotCzarnyand it works11:03
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KotCzarnyand you can install it on n900 probably11:04
KotCzarnyunless i misread your sentence11:05
KotCzarnyyou want to play what from where?11:05
Sicelorygel does dlna or upnp?11:07
KotCzarnyrygel - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services11:08
KotCzarnywho knows11:08
Siceloi get this guy's point about formats, etc, but the rest looks like advertising ushare :/11:08
KotCzarnynope, its not only about formats11:09
Siceloi've used rygel a couple of times with n900 ... then again. i hardly ever stream media... i just wanted to test the functiona!ity on the n90011:09
KotCzarnysicelo, as for ushare argument, it's a blog of the author, so he wrote about his experiences with implementing upnp/dlna11:10
KotCzarnyin comments you see another upnp author11:11
KotCzarnywhich agrees with him11:11
KotCzarnyAs the developer/maintainer of GUPnP/Rygel, I have been dealing with DLNA for some years now and I must say I fully agree with everything you said here. Actually, I was thinking of writing up a post like this but I guess you saved me time by writing it for me.11:11
Sicelothe formats/codecs/containers issue is real .. i did notice it ...had problems transcoding on the fly for n900 as client11:13
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KotCzarnyif they made some content negotiation, it would be easier11:14
KotCzarnybut less money11:14
KotCzarnyas in, 'lets most popular httpd server and write a module for implementing flexible standard'11:15
KotCzarnys/lets/lets grab/11:15
infobotKotCzarny meant: as in, 'lets grab most popular httpd server and write a module for implementing flexible standard'11:15
ceeneall i can say is i've got minidlna running on quite an old and not very powerful pc11:16
ceeneto watch films and series on a samsung tv11:16
ceeneand it works wonderfully11:16
ceeneit's got 256Mb of ram or so11:16
ceeneso more or less like the n90011:16
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zGrrmoin :)11:18
KotCzarnysicelo, have you seen the link about nokia maps script?11:20
Siceloyes, that's the "standard" way :)11:20
Sicelodon't know if the path is still correct11:20
KotCzarnywell, script worked11:21
KotCzarnytried it yesterday11:21
KotCzarnyand started downloading maps11:21
* Maxdamantus downloaded the OpenStreetMap data a few years ago.11:22
Sicelo11:54 < Sicelo> in the meantime, i think we have better chances trying to get the url which is used by Nokia Suite, and then we can  download ourselves :)11:22
Sicelo11:55 < Sicelo> which is how most of us Linux users have mostly been getting maps on N900 even when map download was working properly11:22
Maxdamantuswas something like a 300 GB XML file.11:22
Sicelo11:55 < KotCzarny> but this is hit and run game11:23
Sicelo11:56 < Sicelo> why?11:23
Sicelo11:57 < KotCzarny> because it can change at any time, and without vendor support there is no guarantee how long it would work11:23
Maxdamantuscompressed to twenty something.11:23
KotCzarnymaxd: single file?11:23
KotCzarnymust be hell of a random access11:25
Wizzupnot if it is all in ram11:25
KotCzarnyssd mapped as ram11:25
MaxdamantusIt's pretty much as hard in RAM.11:26
Maxdamantusyou need an additional index in either case.11:26
WizzupI have not seen said XML file anyway11:26
WizzupLet alone know if they really used that as backend11:26
KotCzarnymodifying that file is hell too11:27
KotCzarnybet they keep it in sql and just export as xml11:27
Maxdamantus-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 303G May 18  2012 planet-120508.osm11:27
Wizzupok, so how do you use this file to serve content?11:27
Wizzupand how does osm do it?11:27
MaxdamantusYou don't. The idea is to transform it into a form you can use.11:28
Wizzupok, then xml makes perfect sense11:28
MaxdamantusXML is a bit silly tbh.11:28
MaxdamantusThey have a binary format too.11:28
KotCzarnyhow big is the binary one?11:28
MaxdamantusOnly slightly smaller (compressed)11:28
Maxdamantusuncompressed, it'll be a lot smaller.11:29
Maxdamantusthough afaik it's still not inherently indexable.11:29
Maxdamantus(you can of course create indexes for either format)11:29
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MaxdamantusAn actual useful form would be bigger any more complicated anyway.11:31
KotCzarnyi guess, they could export it as sqlite db11:32
Maxdamantuseg, you can't just use an XML file like that to render an outline of the US.11:32
MaxdamantusProbably better solutions than sqlite3.11:33
MaxdamantusYou'd probably want some sort of quad tree.11:33
MaxdamantusWhere information is simplified each time you approach the root.11:34
MaxdamantusWell, for doing spatial things with it at least.11:35
Maxdamantusif you want to create a search index to look up coordinates for things, you'd want something else.11:35
Maxdamantusbut that's very different to looking up what is within some particular area.11:36
KotCzarnyhmm, offtopic, any way of making wget -c and -O options work as expected?11:38
MaxdamantusDo they not work?11:39
KotCzarnynot as expected11:39
KotCzarnywget -c "${server}/${basedir}/" -O ./IndexNorthCentralAmerica.zip11:39
KotCzarnytries to reget whole file11:39
MaxdamantusAre you the one that added all the busybox symlinks?11:39
KotCzarnyeven if its already done11:39
KotCzarnynope, apt-get install wget11:39
KotCzarnyii  wget                                                1.10.2-2osso311:40
MaxdamantusMaybe the server doesn't support partial downloads.11:40
KotCzarnyi'll try without -O then, just for that11:40
Maxdamantus-c is the one to do with partial downloads.11:40
KotCzarnyyes, but -O breaks it11:40
KotCzarnyat least in wget 1.10.211:41
KotCzarny  Accept-Ranges: bytes11:42
KotCzarnyso it SHOULD work11:42
KotCzarnybut apparently doesnt (even without -O)11:42
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KotCzarnyworks with -c -O on kernel.org11:46
KotCzarnymight be broken server11:47
KotCzarnyor just weird display in wget11:52
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* Maxdamantus is downloading these files now.12:09
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MaxdamantusSo does ovimaps usually just do partial requests on the zip files?12:17
MaxdamantusLength: 1988953069 (1.9G) [application/zip] Saving to: “”12:17
MaxdamantusI'm guessing it doesn't normally download that entire file.12:17
KotCzarnynokia map loader does just that12:18
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MaxdamantusOh, so map loading is a separate function?12:18
KotCzarnymost likely12:18
KotCzarnysee the '.maploader.' in url?12:19
KotCzarnyit might be different service from that maps uses for 'on demand' downloads12:19
* Maxdamantus hasn't seen OVI maps functioning.12:19
* Maxdamantus has opened it once or twice and guessed the service had disappeared.12:19
KotCzarnywould be nice to have offline maps, especially legit ones12:20
KotCzarnydoes nokia maps have offline route calculation?12:20
Siceloonly search doesn't work offline.12:22
Siceloyou can also "hack" voice nav guidnance12:22
Siceloyou cannot search locations offline12:22
zGrrIs there a good OSM satnav?12:22
zGrrI mean, as good as garmin or better.12:22
KotCzarnyyou mean, i cannot find city/street offline?12:23
Siceloby "typing" its location? yes you cannot.12:23
Siceloyou can 'point' to it ;)12:23
KotCzarnythat's just crazy talk12:24
Sicelonot sure i follow12:24
KotCzarnysituation, im in some unknown city12:24
KotCzarnyi know the street address, but i dont know where that street is in that city12:25
KotCzarnycan i use nokia maps on n900 without internet to guide me there?12:25
buZzwhat about OSM?12:25
KotCzarnynot even street search? (without street address)12:25
Sicelosearch is completely online12:25
Sicelothere's a bug report about it, marked as wontfix12:26
ceenethe only good thing about that is that it searches on new maps12:26
ceeneas it requests the place to maps12:26
ceeneso if they get improved, you'll get that improvement12:26
buZzthere isnt a offline OSM tool for maemo?12:26
KotCzarnyoh well, 'we want money-pot safeguard'12:26
ceenebut no, you can't search for any place offline12:26
buZzoh there is12:26
ceenebuZz: there's marble at least12:27
buZza shitton12:27
ceeneto be honest12:27
ceenei found all of them ugly12:27
SicelobuZz: not Ovi Maps12:27
buZznearly all of them allow local street search12:27
ceeneand not very useful12:27
ceenethe best is still sygic12:27
buZzOSM dataset is insanely usefull here in western europe12:27
MaxdamantusIt's not necessarily offline.12:27
Siceloand i'm wiith ceene here .. i've tried all maps (except) sygic, and for my places, nothing beats
Maxdamantus(it's probably not offline)12:28
Siceloeven on the browser on pc .. google maps just doesn't do it12:28
buZzfyi, of that list, only 2 dont do offline storage12:28
buZzthe 7 others do12:28
buZz(as listed on that wikipage)12:28
KotCzarnyi have automapa for android, which is completely offline12:29
Sicelotry the others then KotCzarny12:29
KotCzarnysicelo, gotta check nokia maps first, and decide if i shall purge or use it12:29
MaxdamantusbuZz: is that meant to be listed on that page?12:30
MaxdamantusOh, "Stores map-data off-board"12:30
Siceloseems the search offline is a very important feature for you though12:30
KotCzarnywhat is the point of maps without search or route calculation12:30
buZzMaxdamantus: on-board ;)12:30
Maxdamantuser, on-board12:30
buZzoh lol, yeah12:30
buZzALL do offline12:31
Siceloroute works fine offline12:31
buZzah, osm2go is in extra repo :D12:31
buZzlets see12:31
Siceloand n900 does better routing (again for my locations at least) than google12:32
* Maxdamantus tried downloading a range of images from Google maps once.12:32
* Maxdamantus got blocked.12:32
KotCzarnyyou need to watch for captcha12:32
Maxdamantuswas unable to use Google maps for a day or two.12:32
KotCzarnythen just present it to user12:32
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bencohoffline search in marble/OSM kinda "works" ... kinda.12:40
bencohbut "exact" search only12:41
* Wizzup is hoping for a nice wiki article summarizing all this12:46
WizzupI've been wanting to find some better mapping sw12:46
WizzupI use maep mostly12:46
Wizzupbut it has no (working) search12:46
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KotCzarnymake a tmo post, gather data, create wiki page?12:46
Wizzupsomething like that.12:46
KotCzarnydont forget to include app versions12:48
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MaxdamantusHm. Does the thing on the back cover only need to be ferromagnetic, not actually magnetic?13:53
MaxdamantusSeems like it.13:54
MaxdamantusI can activate the sensor just using a pin or an SD card.13:54
MaxdamantusThe camera shutter one, that is.13:56
ceeneprobably what the board has is an inductive sensor13:57
ceenenot a magnet13:57
ceeneso anything that excites the inductive sensor would work13:57
ceenelike the one you have on the bike to measure speed :)13:57
buZzceene: those are hall effect sensors14:11
buZz(on bicycles)14:12
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jonwilAnyone else having problems with Skype? Mine has issues connecting and issues displaying the online/offline status of people14:43
buZzskype = down14:43
buZzthe NSA servers crashed so they turned off skype to prevent dataloss14:43
KotCzarnyits amazing m$ didnt kill off nmaemo skype14:44
KotCzarnymaybe they are bound to some license14:44
buZzthey cant, that would require changing the protocol14:44
jonwilIts possible killing Maemo Skype would kill Skype on other platforms they still need14:44
buZzbut as they fired nearly all their coders, they cant really do that14:44
jonwilthings that cant be upgraded14:44
WizzupbuZz: and replaced them with .js people -- hence ;)14:44
jonwiland now MS are making big noise about how "Skype works plugin-free on our new Windows-10 browser"...14:45
buZzvery edgy :P14:45
KotCzarnywell, they killed desktop skype easily by forcing to upgrade old versions14:46
KotCzarnywhich in turn required m$ login14:46
jonwilThe good news is that in theory if it runs in Edge without plugins (and Edge isn't providing some weird proprietary undocumented algorithms or interfaces to work which it probably doesn't given Microsoft has said it wants to make it work plugin free on other browsers once they support the right stuff) it should be possible to build a non-browser client that plugs into the same JS stuff and...14:48
jonwil...backend in theory14:48
jonwilthat said, Javascript is something I know nothing about and couldn't program in if my life depended on it so I dont know just how possible stuff like that might be :P14:49
jonwilanyhow its good to know Skype is just down and not broken14:50
erlehmannjust don't14:50
Wizzupusing a plugin it can also work in mozilla and chrome14:50
Wizzupit'll probably work in the future14:50
Wizzupjonwil: skype seems to resolve to localhost at some places14:50
Wizzupas in, the skype urls14:50
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jonwilI received a message just over 12 hours ago from someone, turned it off to go out and do stuff (so it wouldn't kill my battery and drain my expensive mobile data) and now it wont work either on my home WiFi or my mobile data link14:52
jonwilin any case says "we are having issues" so that confirms that it isn't me :)14:53
jonwilAll in all, I dont regret the decision to buy a Nokia N900 one bit14:56
KotCzarnyi bought 414:56
jonwilSome people have told me I should have bought something more mainstream (particularly since if I owned such a thing I could then develop apps for it, put them in the app store and use that to boost my portfolio and have a better chance of getting a job writing software) but screw em14:57
jonwilThe N900 is the best cellphone I have ever used14:57
jonwiland the only reason I will stop using it is if it fails in a way where it cant be fixed14:57
jonwilOr if I upgrade to something better (and the only thing I know of that would quality is a Neo900)14:58
WizzupI'm hoping to replace my maemo-based n900 with something very basic, kernel 4.1.0+ which can do 3g and phonecalls14:58
Wizzupor at least start using both14:58
jonwilNeo900 is the only "cellphone" I know of that might be usable with a modern kernel and a full Linux system14:59
KotCzarnyjonwil: buy few spares, they go as cheap as 15eur for fully functional ones14:59
jonwilNot here in Australia, getting hold of genuine working usable N900s is hard15:00
KotCzarnyhard but possible15:00
jonwilEspecially since I have had VERY bad experiences in the past with eBay and PayPal and refuse to use either company15:00
KotCzarnyif you keep on searching15:00
KotCzarnybrowse local classifieds regularly15:01
jonwilright now my N900 is fine though except for some minor screen damage, something wonky with the way it calculates battery levels (sometimes it will be at "battery low, charge me now" state then it will go up to a few bars without me plugging it in) and a little bit of minor cosmetic damage.15:03
buZzweird stuff, batt was at 60% , reboot, boom; 95%15:04
Wizzupjonwil: why do you say that?15:04
jonwilWasn't aware you could get a modern kernel on a N900 without loss of functionality15:05
jonwilBut if you can, that's great :)15:05
Wizzup'without loss of functionality'15:05
Wizzupthat's a very mean sentence15:05
Wizzupcheck that page to see what works15:05
jonwilI am happy enough with the stock kernel though :)15:06
Wizzupsome of the interfaces are (slightly) different, so you cannot just put it in maemo15:06
Wizzups good15:06
WizzupI want a more recent kernel if it at all possible15:06
jonwilThe N900 may not have LTE or Bluetooth 4.0 or 802.11nac or other more modern standards but its still way better than anything crApple has ever made :P15:09
jonwilApple is the only phone maker where you have to pay money to take an app you wrote and run it on a device you own.15:10
jonwilEven Microsoft stopped that a while back15:10
buZzapple doesnt, you can just sideload your own apps15:10
buZzno payment15:10
buZzsame @ android and winderp15:11
jonwilI wasn't aware Apple had changed its policies to allow you to side-load things onto an iPhone15:11
buZzthis has been the case since iphone #115:11
jonwiljailbreaking yes15:11
buZzof course, if you dont have root on your device you dont own it15:11
jonwilBut I wasn't aware that there was an official way to run your own code on an iPhone without paying the $99 to Apple15:12
buZzrandom google hit > Xcode 7 allows anyone to download, build and ‘sideload’ iOS apps for free15:12
jonwilok, so Apple must have changed its policy at some point15:13
buZzand before that there was
jonwilYou still need to buy both an iDevice AND a Mac to do it though so its a much higher cost of entry than other devices15:14
jonwilAnyhow, I love my N900 and if I had the time and energy I would get back into writing code for it15:17
KotCzarnyjonwil, battery woes == old battery, just buy replacement15:17
infobotpolarcell is, like, BL-5J Replacement15:17
jonwilThis isn't a particularly old battery, its about 1.5 years old15:18
KotCzarnydid you buy it new?15:18
jonwilIts not the original battery that went with the phone though, its a replacement (that may or may not have been a genuine Nokia)15:18
KotCzarnyspent time in hot areas?15:18
jonwilWell I do live in Queensland where it can get VERY hot and humid at times15:18 says my NAC/CACD/CACT (total capacity of the battery I think) is 767mAh which seems a little low15:21
jonwilsuggesting maybe this isn't a genuine Nokia BL-5J...15:21
KotCzarnyvery low15:21
KotCzarnywhat is value of CI ?15:21
jonwilI dont see a CI value15:21
jonwilwait I do15:21
* Maxdamantus has finally bought new earphones.15:21
jonwilCI is zero15:22
KotCzarnythen values should be true15:22
KotCzarnyanyway, buy new battery, that polarcell link is tried and tested one15:22
jonwilwhats even weirder is that "Last Measured Discharge" claims its 886mAh15:22
* Maxdamantus wonders if the Neo900 is meant to have a better audio signal than the N900 (not that I'm intending on getting one)15:22
* Maxdamantus hears noise on most things on his current earphones.15:23
KotCzarnymaxd: hearing voices?15:23
Maxdamantusbasically everything except the two dedicated music player devices I have.15:23
WizzupI think you're just a bit more sensitive when it comes to most things than other people in here15:24
MaxdamantusNo, just electrical static.15:24
WizzupI've never heard noise on my n900 port15:24
Wizzupaudio port*15:24
MaxdamantusThey're supposedly relatively low-impedence.15:24
jonwilAs for new battery, I just spent $50 on new ink cartridges for my printer, I cant afford a new battery right now :P15:24
KotCzarnyjonwil: polarcel is ~10eur15:25
KotCzarnybrand new 1500mAh action15:25
* Maxdamantus is meant to be getting one of those too in a few days.15:25
jonwilIs there somewhere to buy one that isn't eBay? And I bet shipping to Australia is expensive...15:25
buZzMaxdamantus: just add some 10k ohm resistors between your headphones15:25
MaxdamantusShipping is free to Australia.15:25
buZzMaxdamantus: i'm sure that'll make the noise go away15:25
jonwilbut its still eBay :P15:26
KotCzarnyand do yourself a favour and buy kyocera ecosys laser printer (7200 pages on one ~30eur toner)15:26
Maxdamantusjonwil: it's from a trusted distributor.15:26
infobotit has been said that polarcell is BL-5J Replacement15:26
jonwilIts nothing to do with the seller, I just hate eBay and PayPal for all sorts of reasons I dont want to go into15:26
jonwiland wont use them for anything no matter how good15:26
KotCzarnyask someone to buy one for you?15:27
jonwilAs for the printer, this Canon Inkjet was a birthday gift so I didn't pick it15:27
KotCzarnyjonwil, you know that ink printers cost next to nothing and companies make money out of the cartridges?15:28
jonwilyes I know15:28
jonwilbut like I said, it wasn't my decision15:28
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KotCzarnydealer rule: first shot is free15:28
KotCzarnythen then hook you up and drain you15:29
jonwilAlso unless things have changed, color laser printers that can do photo-quality prints are still quite expensive (and yes I print things where quality is important)15:29
KotCzarnyprint things in photoshop?15:29
KotCzarnymuch cheaper15:29
KotCzarnyand higher quality15:29
KotCzarnyphot shop i mean15:30
KotCzarnythe one that prints your photos, not adobe money maker15:30
jonwilI dont know of any photo printing place that can print custom-made stickers for LEGO creations onto special sticker paper. And certainly not one that can do it from an SVG file created in Inkscape (or that can print multiple test prints first so I can check the sizing and such before I print on the stickers)15:31
sixwheeledbeastcba with inkjets, use more ink in cleaning than printing15:31
KotCzarnyyou can render svg into high res jpeg15:31
jonwilIn any case I now have a new pair of cartridges for this Canon and I can print the things I want to print :)15:32
MaxdamantusThey also have a website, so you can avoid eBay at least:
MaxdamantusThough I suspect you'd have to pay through PayPal.15:32
Maxdamantusand I can't tell if the shipping is worldwide there because it's in German.15:32
Maxdamantusall the emails I got from buying it on eBay were also in German.15:32
KotCzarnyshipping price15:33
KotCzarny4.90 eur to australia15:33
Maxdamantus“Ihre aktuellen Versandkosten für Vorauskasse Deutschland” sounds like not worldwide.15:33
jonwilI know of a very good (reputable reliable been around for ages) local chain store that does batteries for basically everything known to man and they can do a BL-5J compatible15:33
jonwilThey even told me it comes with some juice in it and I could test it out to make sure it works15:34
jonwilso if I decide to buy a new one I will go there15:34
KotCzarnyjonwil, just remember, n900's mAh counter gets close to real capacity in 3-5 cycles15:34
Maxdamantus"test it" as in use it for a few cycles?15:34
jonwilno, test it as in make sure its compatible15:35
jonwilWhich is all that would matter for the purchase15:35
jonwilThese guys dont make crap or fake junk15:35
KotCzarnybuying 700mAh knock off is not as good as 1500mAh one15:35
MaxdamantusWell, I suspect they wouldn't be making the batteries.15:35
jonwilno they dont15:35
jonwilbut they wouldn't be putting their name on junk15:36
KotCzarnyanyway, you shouldnt pay more than 15eur for good one15:36
KotCzarnyas you can get one from polarcell shop for 12eur+5eur shipping to australia15:36
jonwilanyhow, its not a high priority right now15:37
jonwilsince my phone DOES work15:37
jonwiland DOES get a full day of use most of hte time15:37
MaxdamantusChecking compatibility isn't a very good test.15:37
jonwilthe time15:37
jonwilI know that max15:37
Maxdamantusnot a very good test as in you probably shouldn't even waste your time doing it.15:37
Maxdamantusif it really is reputable, then "BL-5J" will be enough information to know that it's compatible.15:38
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MaxdamantusFair dinkum, that is.15:39
* Maxdamantus sleeps.15:40
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* jonwil wonders if there are many people left writing code for N900 or if everything is dead now15:44
KotCzarnyjonwil, do you listen to music on n900?15:44
jonwilNo I dont listen to music on my N90015:44
jonwilwhy is that?15:44
KotCzarnyotherwise i would show you my audio player15:45
KotCzarnydo you listen ot music at all?15:45
KotCzarnybecause you can still run my player on some linux box and control it from n90015:45
jonwilThe only place I specifically listen to music from my music collection is on my main PC15:46
KotCzarnyso, wanna check my player?15:46
jonwilwhich happens to be running Windows 7 right now since none of the games I play are on Linux15:47
KotCzarny32 or 64bit?15:47
jonwil64 bit15:47
jonwiland no I dont need a new media player15:47
jonwilWinAmp works great :)15:48
KotCzarnyyeah, old school players ftw15:48
jonwilfor those times when I am not randomly browsing YouTube for cool crap to listen to15:48
KotCzarnynone of that media library crap15:48
jonwilthat's the good thing about YouTube, its got so much cool music (especially covers of existing songs) that it would take me years to listen to it all15:49
jonwilAnd more is being uploaded all the time15:49
KotCzarnycutetube2 for n90015:49
KotCzarnyi think it was still working for youtube15:49
jonwilDon't need YouTube on my N90015:50
jonwilPerfectly happy with YT on my desktop15:50
jonwilYT on N900 is just a great way to guzzle battery15:50
jonwiland mobile data15:50
KotCzarnyalso, you know about ?15:50
KotCzarnythats a nice place for checking anything maemo15:50
jonwilyes, what about it?15:50
jonwilI do know all about it15:51
jonwiland have posted many things on that forum15:51
KotCzarnyand yes, there are still people writing/porting to n90015:51
jonwilI have written a fair bit of N900 code in the past15:51
buZzis oscp in repo working yet?15:53
KotCzarnybuzz, grab one from extras-devel15:53
KotCzarnyone day i might gather enough active users to vote it into extras15:54
buZzgimme link where to click15:54
buZzto vote15:54
KotCzarnybookmark the oscp's thread, i'll post announcement one day15:54
infobotKotCzarny meant: subscribe the oscp's thread, i'll post announcement one day15:54
buZzi'll wait for your announcement :)15:55
KotCzarnybuzz: what you can do right now is to gather your experiences, feature requests, bugs, etc and post15:56
buZzbug; installing ocsp from appmanager doesnt work15:56
* jonwil wonders if the work he did on MCE has been of benefit to the Maemo community15:57
KotCzarnyworkaround: enabling extras-devel temporarily15:57
KotCzarnyjonwil: ask the cssu people15:57
KotCzarnylink to vote15:58
buZzwhat, i need a user?15:58
KotCzarnymake one?15:58
buZzsome day16:00
* buZz doesnt like forums16:00
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L29Ahi wonder why doesn't n900 want to charge if it fails to talk via usb17:17
keriobecause protocols n shit17:23
erlehmannmy n900 rebooted if it failed to talk17:25
APicIt probably needs to negotiate higher Current than USB provides per Default i could imagine17:32
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KotCzarnymaybe something gets stuck in the usb and bme doesnt get notification that i can charge17:52
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L29Ahi wonder if i can force it to charge anyway19:13
L29Ahdead microusb cables is a plague :/19:13
Sicelouse the charge21 script .. BUT not with PC, use wallcharger only19:17
APicYou do not own the original Wall-Wart?19:17
Wizzupare you sure the usb port is not broken?19:17
Wizzupiirc the n900 charges just fine with 'dumb' chargers too19:18
bencohnot with all "dumb" chargers19:18
L29Ahsure it's not, it works with some other cables19:18
WizzupI think I made a custom usb condom and it worked fine19:18
Wizzupwhich just passes no data19:18
L29Ahand the cables that are fucked up charge my android shit while being unable to talk to it19:19
bencohit depends on the cable (and/or dumbness)19:19
Wizzupbencoh: how much more dumb than no data' can it get?19:19
SiceloN900 will charge with any charger if that carger has a short for thr D+ & D- signals19:20
Sicelo*charger rather19:22
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ShadowJKcharge21 doesn't care if charger is smart or dumb20:36
ShadowJKIt will just try to draw charge at .95A20:37
KotCzarnywhich is what it should do by default20:40
bencohoh ...20:43
sixwheeledbeastNot necessarily, you may not want the N900 pulling .95A from whatever you have it plugged into.20:43
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KotCzarnyswb: shouldnt device be amp regulated anyway and not give more than specced?20:46
sixwheeledbeastI am more thinking for example: you have a laptop and wish to copy some files about but not flatten your laptop battery20:47
KotCzarnystill, usb chip shouldn't give more than specced20:48
WizzupWhich is 0.5A20:49
sixwheeledbeastagreed but still if in the wall charge I would want as fast as possible charging, if in a USB I probably wouldn't want it to charge.20:49
Wizzupunless negiotiated differently20:49
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ShadowJKAlso, sometimes you can pull .95A from something, if you start low and slowly ramp up21:09
ShadowJKI forget if I had that in version 21, though if it's included there, it's only active on start of the script21:10
kerioi'm pretty sure that my laptop can do 1A21:11
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kerioon a single USB port21:11
kerioi don't actually know if it will, however21:11
keriobecause apple21:12
KotCzarnymost laptops can do 1A on usb ports21:13
KotCzarnyand it was preapple thing21:13
kerioholy shit i think it can actually do 2100mA21:17
kerioSleep current 210021:17
kerioayy lmao21:18
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: sure that's not µA ?22:31
kerioi'm pretty sure that an ipad would not charge at sub-mA currents22:32
keriono wait22:32
DocScrutinizer05usually Amperes and Volts are in micro-magnitudes22:32
keriois it 2.1 or 0.002122:32
DocScrutinizer05no idea where from you got that value anyway, so not even exact semantics of "sleep current" is clear22:34
DocScrutinizer05in USB specs there's a suspend mode iirc, that actually is specified to do sth in the 1 to 2 mA range22:35
DocScrutinizer05for OTG or somesuch22:35
DocScrutinizer05there are also special charging USB host specs that can do more than the nominal 500mA22:36
DocScrutinizer05supposedly even in device suspend mode22:36
DocScrutinizer05but generally you don't want N900 draw arbitrary too high current from an unidentified unspecified power source. Nokia been very cautious about that, not to break anything which would cause havok on them on a multitude of aspects22:38
DocScrutinizer05and yes, there *are* laptops that simply break when pulling >500mA from USB22:38
DocScrutinizer05very few but there are reports22:38
DocScrutinizer05AFK BBL22:39
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Maxdamantus`i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x42;` ← so would that 0x04 be changed to 0x01 to make it draw 0.65 A instead of 0.95?23:00
* Maxdamantus would like to try that on some silly solar charger he has, which seems to only charge the N900 with a flimsy cable that came with it.23:01
* Maxdamantus suspects it has a resistor in it.23:01
KotCzarnymaxd: there are usb volt/amp meters23:01
KotCzarnyeasy to check how device behaves23:02
Maxdamantuswait, no, that line has to do with voltage.23:03
HumpelstilzchenMaxdamantus: iirc the d+/d- lines need a special connection23:04
Humpelstilzchenboth to gnd or something23:04
Humpelstilzchenoh, just d+ to d-23:05
Maxdamantusand 0x04 is the register.23:06
* Maxdamantus has to leave.23:06
KotCzarnysomething similat to that thing23:06
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MaxdamantusHumpelstilzchen: yes, but ShadowJK said charge21 draws 0.95 A regardless.23:20
Maxdamantusie, it's the software that decides not to charge based on the inability to negotiate.23:21
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MaxdamantusKotCzarny: it'd probbaly be quicker to just connect a multimeter I already have to it.23:22
KotCzarnysure, if you dont mind breaking the cable, still, 1.5usd and free shipping23:23
KotCzarnyand no mess with exposed cables23:23
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KotCzarnyand you can check all the devices you have for real amp draw23:24
KotCzarnynot only for charging, but peripherials too23:25
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