IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2015-09-22

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MaxdamantusDownloaded: 280 files, 18G in 9h 19m 57s (563 KB/s)05:21
stryngsMaxdamantus: 1994 called; it wants it's dialup back05:23
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KotCzarnystryngs: not everyone is a bit leecher08:28
KotCzarny5mbit isnt bat for everyday use08:29
MaxdamantusMy connection is about three times that.08:33
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DocScrutinizer05"3 times2 is an irrelevant improvement in IT10:11
DocScrutinizer05"3 times"10:11
DocScrutinizer05"10 times" is significant10:11
DocScrutinizer05sorry, just kidding. Actually anything smaller "2 times" is considered irrelevant10:12
DocScrutinizer053 times is rather noticeable10:12
bencohunfortunately last mile / home uplinks dont follow moor's law10:13
DocScrutinizer05no matter if link bandwitch, or storage, memory, CPU speed...10:13
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: yeah, they stopped to do that10:13
DocScrutinizer05for a few years they were even way better10:14
DocScrutinizer05actually my 16/1 is usually OK for down. what frequently sucks is uplink bandwidth10:16
KotCzarnyi have 5/510:16
KotCzarnythe lowest from this isp10:16
KotCzarnybut yeah, uplink matters more than downlink for me10:16
DocScrutinizer05actually there are two classes of metrics: when your video stream needs 8.2Mbit but you have only 8; when your program needs 50 bytes more RAM than you got; when you have a shootout in Tinseltown and the deputy has a internet link 10ms faster than yours - those are the "does it suffice?" cases (maemo 256MB RAM is one of those). For the generics "this machine feels so much faster than that machine" case otoh nothing matters that's smaller10:28
DocScrutinizer05than a full two-times improvement10:28
DocScrutinizer05for the first class overclocking might be a valid solution10:29
DocScrutinizer05(not for maemo since RAM is the bottleneck)10:30
DocScrutinizer05unless we talk 768p here10:30
DocScrutinizer05or other highres video formats10:30
DocScrutinizer05for which overclocking is almost mandatory10:30
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* DocScrutinizer05 just had a "patent" idea for handling inbound calls on devices with scarce resources that need time to establish: do NOT try to establish a full duplex voice connection immediately - rather playback a calling tone to the remote caller and the called party simply switches off that tone generator when all resources for a decent stutter-free full duplex audio are established10:40
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bencohon a developer .... wtf10:45
KotCzarnymaybe some iprange splash damage10:46
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kerioyea we had like a hundred spam accounts in #znc10:57
keriothere was some mass K-lining10:57
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buZz09:45:30 < bencoh> on a developer .... wtf11:22
buZzon irccloud.com11:22
buZzthat shitfest11:22
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DocScrutinizer05<nchambers> it should be reversed now11:30
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DocScrutinizer05<nchambers> ariqs: accidental kline of irc clound11:31
DocScrutinizer05<marienz> jwheare: I haven't fully caught up to what happened here (I dropped by shortly after the kline happened)11:32
DocScrutinizer05<Ilyas> admit it, someone took their cat to work no?11:33
DocScrutinizer05<jwheare> and as always, if there are abuse issues that we can address, please contact abuse@irccloud.com11:34
DocScrutinizer05<marienz> jwheare: yeah, we tend to forget just how large your service is until something like this happens...11:35
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DocScrutinizer05during last 12 months there were actually three where adobe had only one security update. Instead the usual 2 or more12:04
DocScrutinizer05and I guess all were considered critical12:05
DocScrutinizer05\o/ adobe flash12:05
DocScrutinizer05what a crap12:07
DocScrutinizer0523/113 Technical Warnings are for Adobe. This is for _all_ technical warnings regarding all relevant OS for end users, during 2014
DocScrutinizer05I.E. the rest is for Mac, windows, linux, all other apps...12:14
DocScrutinizer05firefox: 1112:15
DocScrutinizer05and not all of them were security updates12:16
Vajbwell, if they made flawless apps coders would be jobless ;)12:26
MaxdamantusMaybe they'd be doing something more productive.12:27
Vajbit is like coders "lightbulb conspiracy"12:28
DocScrutinizer05never attribute to malice what could as well get explained by mere incompetence12:30
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KotCzarnytrue that12:50
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MaxdamantusCoders are money-grubbing time wasters.12:52
DocScrutinizer05that's true in either case ;-D12:53
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zGrrmoin :)13:30
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keriotimeless is back!14:03
timelessyeah, um, irccloud got klined14:03
timelesswhat's up?14:03
timelessgood morning, happy new year14:04
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timelessand g'mar chatimah tova + Tzom Kal14:04
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DocScrutinizer05timeless: hi! long time no see14:09
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DocScrutinizer05(irccloud) yeah some freenode operator used *the big hammer[TM]* to fix  an issue with some spammers14:11
tmyes! I'm a big hammer!14:12
DocScrutinizer05they used you to k-line irccloud? ;-)14:13
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KotCzarnyhum, patient: n900 with broken screen and modem, on tv-out i see only yellow bar (but it disappears when device gets locked via switch, and appears when unlocked, so it boots to os). what could be the cause? i've noticed it on two different tvs (both lcd tho)19:32
esaym153I need to get more space on root. What is the best way to get rid of any dependencies that were installed and not removed when the parent package was removed?19:33
esaym153because I know I have installed several things with apt-get which pulled down other needed packages, and when I uninstalled the other package, it left the dependencies19:34
esaym153deborphan doesn't seem to exist19:34
KotCzarnynever ever use apt-get autoremove, thats for sure19:34
esaym153KotCzarny: heh, looked into that, but it only found one package19:35
KotCzarnyjust go through packages trying to remove things that dont depend on system19:35
KotCzarnyi can give you list of packages from my system, so you can compare19:36
esaym153KotCzarny: like dpkg --get-selections output? (don't even know if that works on this system..)19:36
KotCzarnythere is also synaptic in extras-devel (you can run it on n900 with DISPLAY pointing to your pc, so its easier to click19:36
KotCzarnyesaym153: yeah19:36
esaym153KotCzarny: yea, that will work19:36
KotCzarnydo you have plain fremantle or cssu installed?19:37
esaym153KotCzarny: this is n810 diablo19:37
esaym153should have mentioned...19:37
KotCzarnyahm, yeah, quite important bit of info19:37
KotCzarnyn800 should have similar set as its also diablo19:38
KotCzarnylet me find it in the stash19:38
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KotCzarnycant find it19:50
KotCzarnyi might've left it at gf's place19:51
KotCzarnystill, make a script that lists installed packages, grabs installed sizes, sort and print out19:51
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KotCzarnyive found it, do you still want that list?20:10
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L29Ahdoes anyone run fresh marble on a n900?20:50
KotCzarnymind you, it's not freshly flashed device (ie. its the current state of my device)20:53
KotCzarnyso there are things that are not needed for other users20:53
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esaym153KotCzarny: ty21:48
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KotCzarnyhmm, is there an applet to switch usb mode? (charging only/mass storage/pc suite)22:49
Wizzupin the notification/icon panel22:49
KotCzarnyit only displays mode22:49
KotCzarnycant click it to change it22:49
WizzupI think I could22:49
Wizzupare you on cssu?22:49
KotCzarnyyes i think22:50
Wizzuplet me try it22:50
Wizzupfor me it says: "USB Connected" "Charging only"22:51
WizzupWhen I press it, a menu pops up22:51
Wizzupand I can change it22:51
Wizzupbut only when I start it from charging22:51
WizzupI can't switch back from mass mode to charging only22:51
L29Ah22:49:49]<Wizzup> are you on cssu?22:53
L29Ahi wonder what does this question mean these days22:53
KotCzarnyit means that one installed one of cssu flavours22:54
KotCzarnyor not (stock fremantle)22:54
WizzupL29Ah: Why?22:54
L29Ahsomewhere i saw cssu is awesome22:55
L29Ahi pressed some button "go to cssu"22:55
L29Ahand nothing changed22:55
WizzupI think you should read the wiki22:55
infobot[cssu], or (Community Seamless Software Update)22:55
L29Ah hm ok22:56
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VajbKotCzarny: i think that dialog only pops up when you connect your n900 to pc.23:44
Vajband sometimes, if phone accidentally mistakes charger to be pc23:45
Vajbceene: .21 version of yappari is working great. Two days without any crashes. Keep up the good work :)23:46
KotCzarnyvajb, i was asking about some custom applet maybe23:51
Vajbwell then i don't know any.23:52

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