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| Maxdamantus | Hm. Does Opera try to hide the fact that their "Mini" browsers always use a proxy? | 04:09 |
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| * Maxdamantus can't find any mention of something like that in the UI. | 04:09 | |
| * Maxdamantus wonders what their business model is. | 04:11 | |
| totalizator | US news headlines FTW: "Calif. deputy shoots at driver from helicopter; suspect dead" | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hooray | 04:33 |
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| ds3 | selling information? :D | 05:00 |
| Maxdamantus | Apparently phone manufacturers pay them to be able to include Opera Mini in their OSes. | 05:19 |
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| Maxdamantus | [max@jove (~/build/gecko-dev)]$ git rev-list HEAD | while read x; do echo "$x $(diff /tmp/geckotarget <(git cat-file -p "$x"^{tree}:./js/src) | wc -l)"; done >microb-find | 07:02 |
| * Maxdamantus vaguely remembers seeing a post on TMO about finding the commit for the microb xulrunner tree. | 07:03 | |
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| Maxdamantus | Apparently that doesn't work—looks like there's additional licensing stuff added everywhere. | 07:37 |
| Maxdamantus | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94107&page=7 | 07:44 |
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| KotCzarny | Maxdamantus: could be included in opera license agreement | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | (information about proxy) | 09:06 |
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| Maxdamantus | Hm, so there's already a wiki entry for this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_on_Debian | 09:30 |
| Maxdamantus | Though that maemory.com domain doesn't seem to exist anymore. | 09:31 |
| Maxdamantus | last edited in 2011. | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | most activity related to n900 ended in 2011 | 09:32 |
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| * Maxdamantus wonders what people are intending to run on their Neo900s then. | 09:38 | |
| KotCzarny | firefox, most likely | 09:38 |
| Maxdamantus | FirefoxOS? | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | 1gb should be enough finally | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | as for os i dont know, just saying what i would use | 09:39 |
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| KotCzarny | and if it will be as open as they plan, you could just run any linux distro | 09:41 |
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| Maxdamantus | You can probably already do that on the N900. | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | unless you accept loss of cellular and some other things | 09:42 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect that'd work atm as long as you stick to the same old kernel. | 09:42 |
| Maxdamantus | just using ofonod or fso, and whatever software works on top of that. | 09:42 |
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| Maxdamantus | I was able to boot a fairly plain Debian install with a 3.14 kernel and send/receive SMS using ofonod. | 09:44 |
| Maxdamantus | (just using the example scripts) | 09:44 |
| Maxdamantus | could probably do the same thing with the old kernel and also get speech. | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | many tried, no one reported full functionality success | 09:44 |
| * Maxdamantus wants a second device to try stuff out on :\ | 09:46 | |
| Maxdamantus | maybe I should just buy one off ebay rather than waiting for one to appear on the local thing. | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | ebay is a bit pricey | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | shipping kills the price | 09:47 |
| Maxdamantus | Yeah, iirc shipping was a significant part of the price last time. | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | if you manage find one from your country it will be good | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | most '100% working' local offers in pl go for ~50eur | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | (that including shipping) | 09:50 |
| Maxdamantus | Yeah, seems to be a bit cheaper than that here. | 09:51 |
| Maxdamantus | but not a very big sample (have seen three past sales) | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | you can of course hit some occasion, i got fully working n900 (- magnet in the cover) for ~15eur) | 09:52 |
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| Maxdamantus | There's an N9 at least for NZ$110 (€63), which might be interesting to experiment with (and possibly substitute as a phone occasionally) | 09:56 |
| Maxdamantus | “Has multiple scratches on the screen and body, when screen is going it looks fine. ” | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | dont know n9 usual fails, for n900 its either bad screen, usb port or modem chip | 09:58 |
| Maxdamantus | It has a bit of plastic around the phone jack missing, which I've read other people referring to. | 09:59 |
| Maxdamantus | but that's not a component failure. | 09:59 |
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| Maxdamantus | (that 3.14 kernel I mentioned was built from Linus' tree btw, not one of the separate n900-related repositories) | 10:41 |
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| Maxdamantus | Bah. Whenever I try something like conkeror/firefox from a normal Debian chroot, I'm reminded how much better the fonts can be. | 12:01 |
| Maxdamantus | Stupid people doing stupid thing to degrade typographical experience. | 12:01 |
| Maxdamantus | I don't usually notice on the N900 because the resolution is far greater than any other display I frequently use, but proper font rendering makes a massive difference. | 12:02 |
| Maxdamantus | proper = minimal antialiasing, more hinting | 12:02 |
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| KotCzarny | upgrade font lib? | 12:13 |
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| Maxdamantus | It's not really a matter of upgrading. | 12:15 |
| Maxdamantus | But it might involve replacing the freetype build with one with different compilation options, not sure. | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | how's that different from upgrading font lib? | 12:19 |
| Maxdamantus | It would be the same version of the library. | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | but with better features | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | so inferior -> superior | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, freetype is open source which means its doable (unless they did bad things to it) | 12:21 |
| Maxdamantus | http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/a.png http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/b.png http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/c.png | 12:26 |
| Maxdamantus | (those are three different links) | 12:27 |
| kerio | what's the first browser? | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | conqueror | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | konqueror | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | kde's default one | 12:28 |
| Maxdamantus | No, conkeror. | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 12:28 |
| Maxdamantus | not related to konqueror. | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | never heard of it | 12:29 |
| bencoh | :) | 12:29 |
| Maxdamantus | the second one is also conkeror, but using microb-xulrunner. | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | does it run well on n900? | 12:30 |
| Maxdamantus | With microb-xulrunner it seems to run quite smoothly. | 12:30 |
| Maxdamantus | but it's buggy, possibly to do with an extra script I wrote to do grab scrolling. | 12:31 |
| Maxdamantus | (doesn't produce the same bugs as when run using a iceweasel from wheezy) | 12:31 |
| Maxdamantus | Dunno what the differences are. | 12:32 |
| Maxdamantus | might be graphics libraries. | 12:32 |
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| Maxdamantus | Ah, right. 2010 was before anyone was allowed to use the hinting information from TTFs. | 13:18 |
| Maxdamantus | well, 2009. | 13:18 |
| Maxdamantus | so it's stuck with autohinting, which sucks. | 13:18 |
| KotCzarny | which means i was right, upgrade | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:19 |
| Maxdamantus | Well, the codebase has the option, but it's disabled by a define, because it would probably have been illegal do distribute the binaries otherwise. | 13:19 |
| Maxdamantus | No, just need to change that option. | 13:19 |
| Humpelstilzchen | so we can just rebuild? | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | shuldnt hurt to bump the version tho | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | to get all the hinting improvements | 13:20 |
| Humpelstilzchen | you can't bump the version | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | i meant, to compile newer version | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 13:20 |
| Humpelstilzchen | KotCzarny: you will use the 3d driver | 13:20 |
| Humpelstilzchen | *loose | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | freetype uses 3d? | 13:21 |
| Humpelstilzchen | x11? | 13:21 |
| Maxdamantus | WE CAN REBUILD IT | 13:21 |
| Maxdamantus | Well, I'm seeing if it works now, hang on. | 13:21 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm. Didn't seem to do anything. | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | needsconfig/reboot? | 13:37 |
| Maxdamantus | Maybe the define is overridden somewhere else. | 13:37 |
| qknight | hey. http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/NokiaN900/InstallGuide <- how to compile the dov4l2 binary? | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | is it me or its not maemo related at all? | 13:46 |
| KotCzarny | ie.different os | 13:46 |
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| qknight | hm. for the nokia n900 phone i need it | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | you need build env for that os, it calls: | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | #source the devshell | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | oe_runmake | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | scp dov4l2 root@192.168.0.202: | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | so to get help i would ask that guide author | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | or shr people in general | 13:51 |
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| KotCzarny | nice, n900 can be used as a luxometer | 14:07 |
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| Maxdamantus | http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/1.png | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | missing 'before' pic | 14:21 |
| Maxdamantus | Should've tried it before, but that's what it notes looks like with freetype 2.4.9 | 14:21 |
| Maxdamantus | xulrunner is still bad though. | 14:21 |
| Maxdamantus | I was wondering if the gecko in microb did something weird with the font rendering to enable zoom to work properly. | 14:23 |
| Maxdamantus | because proper zoom doesn't work with proper font rendering, and microb has proper zoom iirc | 14:23 |
| KotCzarny | check with ldd what it uses? | 14:23 |
| Maxdamantus | -bash-2.05b$ cat /proc/1606/maps | grep freetype | 14:25 |
| Maxdamantus | 41428000-4147c000 r-xp 00000000 b3:02 1030338 /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6.8.1 | 14:25 |
| Maxdamantus | Probably more reliable than ldd. | 14:25 |
| Maxdamantus | but it could also have something statically linked in. | 14:25 |
| Maxdamantus | unlikely. | 14:25 |
| KotCzarny | apps can config freetype on runtime? | 14:25 |
| Maxdamantus | What do you mean by "config"? | 14:26 |
| Maxdamantus | freetype is a versatile library. | 14:26 |
| KotCzarny | i mean for example enable/disable hinting or subpixel rendering | 14:26 |
| Maxdamantus | You can use it to rasterise glyphs or extract vectors from them, etc | 14:26 |
| Maxdamantus | If something is creating something zoomable, you'd probably get the vectors. | 14:27 |
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| Maxdamantus | It renders nicely in Chromium if I force DJS with ~/.fonts.conf | 14:30 |
| Maxdamantus | (not in conkeror/xulrunner, though it does still use DJS) | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | look for FT_Load_Glyph in source code then compare flags? | 14:31 |
| Maxdamantus | Flags? afk a bit | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | for example FT_LOAD_FORCE_AUTOHINT | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | and similar | 14:32 |
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| Maxdamantus | Woah, this happened: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/3/21/155 | 15:42 |
| Maxdamantus | So I guess you can make phonecalls now using a kernel from Linus' repository. | 15:43 |
| KotCzarny | cool | 15:43 |
| Sicelo | Maxdamantus: no | 16:01 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm, no? | 16:02 |
| Sicelo | something else was still missing ..forgot what it is. haven't spoken to sre in a bit now | 16:03 |
| Sicelo | contact him via Jabber .. he's communicatiove | 16:04 |
| Sicelo | -o | 16:04 |
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| Sicelo | google maps are good. here maps rock (at least for south africa/swaziland) | 18:26 |
| Sicelo | with google maps i'll likely be lost most of the time (unless i'm in big towns or close to them) | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | while you are at that topic, did you use nokia maps that come preloaded on n900? | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | are they still valid/working? | 18:27 |
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| Sicelo | yes, they are the only maps i use | 18:29 |
| Sicelo | to updated them you need windows however | 18:29 |
| Wizzup | you can update the maps using windows? | 18:30 |
| KotCzarny | hum, so they aren't working out of the box ? | 18:30 |
| Wizzup | TIL | 18:30 |
| Sicelo | yes .. Ovi Suite | 18:30 |
| Sicelo | they should be working .. problem is that nokia maps looks for the maps in old location, which changed | 18:30 |
| Sicelo | ovi suite uses the new URL | 18:30 |
| KotCzarny | hum, yes, i've noticed they didnt fetch any map data | 18:31 |
| Sicelo | weird thing though .. location widget and location-test-gui fetch map data just fine, from here.com | 18:31 |
| Sicelo | i've run "strings" on the nokia maps binary and couldnt see any interesting URLs there .. had hoped to hex-edit the whole thing :p | 18:32 |
| Wizzup | probably a config file ven? | 18:33 |
| Wizzup | file even* | 18:33 |
| Sicelo | perhaps someone else can look :) | 18:33 |
| Sicelo | i didnt' get it .. will try other locations | 18:33 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe gconf | 18:34 |
| Wizzup | grep -r ? ;) | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | grep all /home | 18:34 |
| Sicelo | will try again | 18:35 |
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| Sicelo | tried (again) to fool N900 through /etc/hosts ... seems N900 makes "bad request" :( | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | means params/link have changed | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | try urlsnarf | 19:53 |
| Sicelo | going to have more info than wireshark? | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | havent tried wireshark | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | does wireshark get urls? | 19:54 |
| Sicelo | in the meantime, i think we have better chances trying to get the url which is used by Nokia Suite, and then we can download ourselves :) | 19:54 |
| Sicelo | which is how most of us Linux users have mostly been getting maps on N900 even when map download was working properly | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | but this is hit and run game | 19:55 |
| Sicelo | why? | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | because it can change at any time, and without vendor support there is no guarantee how long it would work | 19:57 |
| Sicelo | yes, that's the fun of it (think yappari) ;) | 19:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:58 |
| Sicelo | i don't know how other Nokia phones fare with regard to maps .. any with lifetime maps, besides the N9? | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | i think its not fun anymore for ceene ;) | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, it's so fun to have more than one n900, i can finally hack and slash the fs as much as i wanted | 20:00 |
| Sicelo | how is it going? | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | right now preparing base setup | 20:01 |
| Sicelo | image? | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | which means pr1.3.1+cssu-thumb with removed unneeded apps (*-installers, cherry, etc) and with few packages installed | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | more like installer | 20:02 |
| Sicelo | ah, i see | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | backup menu does similar thing | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | but i would target one-fs setup, which means non-standard way of mounts | 20:03 |
| Sicelo | btw, re: maps .. satellite view still downloads maps fine on N900 | 20:05 |
| KotCzarny | mmm, oscp rocks on n900 | 20:07 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, which app added reboot to powermenu? | 20:28 |
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| Luke-Jr | hmm, my USB stick SoC is faster than N900 :x | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | life | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | zx81 was fun in its day | 20:43 |
| bencoh | :)) | 20:44 |
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| buZz | Luke-Jr: a rockbox ? which chip | 20:48 |
| Luke-Jr | buZz: no, USB Armory | 20:49 |
| buZz | i think i have a RK3066 somewhere | 20:49 |
| Luke-Jr | Freescale i.MX53 ARM® Cortex™-A8 800MHz | 20:49 |
| Luke-Jr | https://www.crowdsupply.com/img/5601/usb-armory-front-back-2_png_project-body.jpg | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | luke, now the question is, can you ssh into it? | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it doesnt count ;) | 20:50 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: of course | 20:50 |
| Luke-Jr | it's just a regular linux box | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | cool | 20:50 |
| buZz | yeah pretty cool device | 20:50 |
| buZz | but >100 usd, isnt it? | 20:50 |
| Luke-Jr | probably | 20:50 |
| Luke-Jr | N900 is too :P | 20:50 |
| buZz | nope | 20:50 |
| buZz | 50 eu here on market | 20:50 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 20:50 |
| Luke-Jr | wow | 20:50 |
| buZz | its cheaper than n800/n810 | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | i bought n900 for ~15eur | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | fully functional | 20:51 |
| Luke-Jr | new or used? | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | and other for ~25eur | 20:51 |
| buZz | cant find them new | 20:51 |
| Luke-Jr | like new or clearly used? :P | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | used | 20:51 |
| buZz | somewhere between those two extremes | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | battery is quite strong too | 20:52 |
| KotCzarny | even has clock bupbat working | 20:52 |
| buZz | i bought a used original battery for my n800 | 20:53 |
| buZz | 3 usd incl shipping :) works a treat | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | (my main n900 which is in much better cosmetical condition has bupbat dead) | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | so i guess 15eur for 32mb of storage + other functionality isnt bad deal | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | i mean 32GB | 20:53 |
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| KotCzarny | sicelo: /usr/share/nokia-maps | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | mwconfig is password protected zip archive | 21:44 |
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| Sicelo | possibly hiding there .. everything else doesn't have the address linux.s2g.gate5.de | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | that .de address could be simply final one, could be intermediate load balancer somewhere too | 21:56 |
| Sicelo | the problems servers are rev.linux.s2g.gate5.de and ver.linux.s2g.gate5.de which Ovi Maps tries to contact. in addition, it tries to contact download.linux.s2g.gate5.de (which it can do so successfully) | 21:56 |
| Sicelo | g2g now however .. someone should try crack the mwconfig hten ;) | 21:57 |
| Sicelo | *tehn | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | im running fzipcrack, but my laptop is single core 1.2ghz ;) | 21:57 |
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| Sicelo | cool. maybe you get something | 21:58 |
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| Sicelo | but even when we can change the string .. question will be .. to what? | 22:00 |
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| KotCzarny | or just grab nokia map loader | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:04 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.anvo-it.de/wiki/avmapsloader:main | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder which format n900 uses | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: www.blog.d-11.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/download_ovi-maps.sh.tar.gz | 22:22 |
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| KotCzarny | bash + wget required but otherwise you can even run it on device itself | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | 16GB for the whole thing | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | and www.blog.d-11.de/2011/03/22/nokia-ovi-maps-3-0-0-1-25-114-direct-downloadlinks-und-downloadscript-for-maemo-n900-without-using-map-loader/ | 22:35 |
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| KotCzarny | perl-base - The Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister. | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 23:03 |
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