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| Maxdamantus | Hm. I'm pretty sure now that that osso-xterm closing thing can happen when I press esc, 'a' | 00:02 |
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| Maxdamantus | where esc is fn+enter | 00:02 |
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| bencoh | Maxdamantus: I'd use plai xterm if I were you :) | 00:38 |
| bencoh | (actually that's what I do) | 00:38 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~ping | 02:28 |
| infobot | ~pong | 02:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~botsnack | 02:28 |
| infobot | :), sixwheeledbeast | 02:28 |
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| drathir | infobot: botsnack | 02:43 |
| infobot | drathir: thanks | 02:43 |
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| Maxdamantus | bencoh: I'd probably need to figure out a new way to open links, and scroll. | 03:25 |
| * Maxdamantus has room for pgup/pgdown on his keyboard layout, though xterm usually expects you to use shift+.. | 03:26 | |
| Maxdamantus | and irssi/tmux use the other | 03:26 |
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| ceene | i may have found, once again, one possible reason for bans on group creation | 12:29 |
| ceene | now, would that be true? | 12:30 |
| ceene | could there be someone brave enough to test it? | 12:30 |
| ceene | i'm tired of releasing things that gets people banned :( | 12:30 |
| ceene | and i can't test it myself or i'd get my second number banned, and i don't think anybody would benefit from me not having access to whatsapp... | 12:31 |
| ceene | maybe there's some cheap way to buy a dozen or so of sims? | 12:32 |
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| Sicelo | ceene: i might make a plan | 12:48 |
| * Sicelo wishes he was still in Swaziland .. easier to get sim. no fancy registrations/paperwork | 12:49 | |
| bencoh | is the ban permanent? | 12:50 |
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| Sicelo | yes (qualified). they auto-unban you after like 3 months or so | 12:51 |
| bencoh | :/ | 12:51 |
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| KotCzarny | in .pl you can get no-contract sim for ~1.5usd | 12:53 |
| bencoh | hhmm shit I completely forgot the council election | 12:54 |
| Sicelo | me too :p | 12:55 |
| bencoh | :/ | 12:55 |
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| Maxdamantus | Ahah. I think I figured out why my boot has been taking so long for a while .. bootmenu -_- | 12:59 |
| Maxdamantus | Indeed. | 13:01 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders how long that was there. | 13:02 | |
| Maxdamantus | just turns into messy stuff moved around in the framebuffer, since fbcon is loaded so is printing the commands to wait for keys. | 13:02 |
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| Sicelo | so, isn't the problem fbcon then? instead of bootmenu? | 13:06 |
| Sicelo | i guess many of us have bootmenu, and observe no bootup delays | 13:07 |
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| Maxdamantus | It's probably because I always had the slide out which probably triggered the menu to appear, but I wasn't aware of it. | 13:12 |
| Maxdamantus | so just saw some random commands involving `evkey` and some apparent countdown. | 13:12 |
| Sicelo | and you didn't even see the bootmenu screen? :p | 13:12 |
| Maxdamantus | Not really, because fbcon was outputting the commands over it. | 13:13 |
| Sicelo | ok | 13:14 |
| Maxdamantus | I only saw moving fragments, like the number from the countdown, and I could see it saying something like "booting from NAND" for a split second. | 13:14 |
| Maxdamantus | not that it was booting from NAND anyway. | 13:14 |
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| ceene | i wouldn't mind paying 10~15 euros for a dozen of sims | 13:32 |
| ceene | or whatever | 13:32 |
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| ceene | but here in spain you pay ~10EUR for a SIM, and although you usually get the same amount to spend on phone calls | 13:32 |
| ceene | i don't even spend 4 euros monthly | 13:32 |
| ceene | so i'd have 100 euros that I wouldn't know what to use them for | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | no pay-by-sim services there? | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 13:33 |
| L29Ah | $0.9 in UA | 13:33 |
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| ceene | KotCzarny: yes, but they come preloaded with 10EUR, so you pay that | 13:33 |
| ceene | ah! | 13:34 |
| ceene | pay with your sim's money | 13:34 |
| ceene | nope | 13:34 |
| ceene | maybe there's some strange virtual mobile operator that has cheaper sims | 13:35 |
| KotCzarny | 10eur, right, but if you just need some disposable ones.. | 13:36 |
| L29Ah | tho if i were you, i'd just drop the damned service that shits on its customers | 13:36 |
| ceene | L29Ah: well, i'm not one of his customers, am i? | 13:36 |
| ceene | i don't pay them anything and I don't even use their software, just their servers | 13:37 |
| ceene | i'm more an abuser than an user, to be honest | 13:37 |
| ceene | we are all :) | 13:37 |
| L29Ah | then you should understand that your hack will work for some months until another update will come by and require more investment from your side and so on | 13:38 |
| ceene | i know that | 13:39 |
| ceene | i'll continue until i get tired | 13:39 |
| L29Ah | it's cheaper to just use email (: | 13:39 |
| ceene | it's not as convenient | 13:39 |
| ceene | i like irc much more | 13:39 |
| ceene | real time conversations with one or several people categorized in groups/channels | 13:39 |
| ceene | i don't know what jabber was invented for | 13:40 |
| ceene | irc does the same | 13:40 |
| L29Ah | decompiling stuff and reverse engineering protocols isn't convenient either | 13:40 |
| Sicelo | IRC \m/ | 13:40 |
| ceene | well, but it can be fun sometimes | 13:40 |
| ceene | some people enjoy running, some people enjoy resolving differential equations | 13:40 |
| ceene | i sometimes enjoy coding and reverse engineering protocols | 13:40 |
| * L29Ah uses irc over jabber because jabber features transports to other protocols and all the IM features one can imagine | 13:41 | |
| ceene | one can do that? | 13:41 |
| ceene | then maybe I undervalued jabber :) | 13:41 |
| L29Ah | yep, and there are implementations of transports to icq and vk; i also heard about ones to msn, sms, email, facebook, aim, twitter and skype | 13:44 |
| L29Ah | https://github.com/stv0g/transwhat wazzup | 13:45 |
| ceene | cool | 13:58 |
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| Wizzup | Does't bitlbee do similar things for ir | 14:15 |
| Wizzup | for irc | 14:15 |
| bencoh | it does | 14:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | plus jabber can do SIP | 14:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | works OTB on N900 | 14:16 |
| ceene | another option | 14:20 |
| ceene | the java class that seems to manage wa protocol | 14:20 |
| ceene | doesn't depend on anything | 14:20 |
| ceene | import java.io.IOException; | 14:20 |
| ceene | import java.io.InputStream; | 14:20 |
| ceene | import java.util.Enumeration; | 14:20 |
| ceene | import java.util.Hashtable; | 14:20 |
| ceene | import java.util.Vector; | 14:20 |
| ceene | just that | 14:21 |
| ceene | i could use it as binary blob | 14:21 |
| ceene | no protocol mismatch ever | 14:21 |
| bencoh | but it's java | 14:24 |
| bencoh | and a blob | 14:24 |
| ceene | yep | 14:24 |
| ceene | not cool | 14:24 |
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| KotCzarny | ceene: in the last release add warning before connect so people wont get banned | 15:00 |
| ceene | uhm | 15:02 |
| ceene | yep | 15:02 |
| ceene | i should release a new one with latest change | 15:02 |
| ceene | and explain that in the changelog | 15:03 |
| ceene | or won't people read the changelog? | 15:03 |
| L29Ah | sure they won't | 15:03 |
| ceene | i could block that functionality | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, and get banned | 15:03 |
| ceene | but i need someone that is willing to test that | 15:03 |
| ceene | or we'll never have that again | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo agreed | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | tell him what he needs to do | 15:04 |
| ceene | great | 15:04 |
| ceene | i'll be releasing that now, then | 15:04 |
| ceene | in the end every little change makes it better than before | 15:04 |
| ceene | so it can't be worse | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | well, it always can be worse | 15:11 |
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| Sicelo | some of us do read changelogs : | 18:04 |
| Sicelo | :) | 18:04 |
| Sicelo | in fact, i hope ceene will also explain what he's found | 18:04 |
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| Sicelo | ceene: my sisters have worked something out. perhaps give me a link to a deb, in case autobuilder takes time | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatsapp, ohmy. Some official entity checked whatsapp on android and found the *complete* contacts list gets instantly transferred to some US server | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | he, he, 'security' | 19:20 |
| Sicelo | that includes KotCzarny & DocScrutinizer05's numbers too, hehe | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either you're the customer or you are the product | 19:24 |
| Sicelo | yeah | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends on whether you pay or not | 19:24 |
| Sicelo | actually it's this very thing that i hate about whatsapp | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes even then you're still the product rather than a customer | 19:24 |
| kerio | you could also be a reseller | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | what a bout being a developer? | 19:26 |
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| ceene | Sicelo: thanks, but i'm not quite sure yet | 21:28 |
| ceene | first i thought i had found something because there was a couple lines of code that didn't belong in the place they were | 21:28 |
| ceene | but in the end they were doing the right thing, although not exactly in the place it should | 21:28 |
| ceene | but the data sent to the servers was what it had to be | 21:29 |
| ceene | so... nothing new for the moment | 21:29 |
| ceene | :( | 21:29 |
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| ceene | if you want, you can take a look at last commit on develop branch | 21:32 |
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| Sicelo | ok. will hear from you | 22:48 |
| Sicelo | i had looked at the code (with my limited understanding) | 22:48 |
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