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DocScrutinizer05cmd: Di 15. Sep 04:08:13 CEST 201505:08
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zGrrmoin :)14:19
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KotCzarnymissing bot14:40
Sicelojust wanted the microb-thumb-renders-like-mad factoid14:42
KotCzarnytry google14:42
KotCzarnymight be there somewhere14:42
Sicelogot it in logs14:42
KotCzarnywhat are you hacking?14:42
Sicelonothing haha. just wanted to see if there's anything "special" to do in order to see the speed improvement14:43
KotCzarnymost likely free ram14:44
KotCzarnyif you dont use modest/rss try disabling their autostart14:44
KotCzarnyfew megs never hurt14:44
Siceloi use them14:44
Siceloi'm trying to learn C again, for the 100th time, heh14:45
KotCzarnyits easy14:45
Siceloif i do:14:45
Siceloarray[5], then i can put values in array[0] to array[4]. Or is it to [3] only? where [4] would be the null character?14:47
KotCzarnybut if you dont include null char, you will have troubles14:47
KotCzarny(well, in string related tasks)14:48
Sicelodoesn't the null char add "itself" for strings?14:48
KotCzarnysome functions do14:48
KotCzarnybut c is quite raw14:48
KotCzarnyso dont rely on it being present 100% of the time14:49
KotCzarnyand make your functions safe from such situation14:49
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drathirsad that n900 cant put output on tv w/o lcd present...15:43
sixwheeledbeastshould do unless I misunderstand15:44
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drathirsixwheeledbeast: sadly no, bc looks like it takes resolution only when display connected and working...15:45
KotCzarnyyou mean it requires edid or n900's screen on?15:46
drathirKotCzarny: not sure what correctly needed, but w/o lcd attached no useful signal at tv out...15:47
KotCzarnymost likely edid then15:49
Sicelodrathir is right. i remember reading about this15:49
drathirSicelo: KotCzarny not sure about tech side, i guessing DocScrutinizer51 may be more oriented about that hw side...15:51
KotCzarnyedid is data sent from monitor to device about available freqs and some other info15:53
KotCzarnyolder monitors didnt support it, but currently EVERYTHING supports it15:55
Wizzupsurely this can be faked in sw15:55
KotCzarnystill, how does it work over 3x cinch cable o.O15:56
SiceloEDID also depends on the connecting cable15:58
KotCzarnybut now i think about it, regular analog av cable doesnt support it, so it might be simply tv not supporting n900's resolution16:01
KotCzarnydrathir, maybe you need to select ntsc/pal ?16:02
KotCzarnyor your tv is so old it only supports secam?16:02
Siceloi'm lost :) he's not having  that problem, is he?16:04
KotCzarnynot sure16:04
Siceloi think he's got bad lcd?16:04
KotCzarnybut as much i understood it works on lcd tv but doesnt on analog tv16:04
Siceloand had hoped to at least use tv out in the absence of working lcd .. which doesn't work16:04
Siceloi think he means N900 lcd :)16:05
Sicelobroekn ribbon or cracked screen16:05
drathirim pretty sure cinch/rca not support data transfer... the phone have tv out settings attached...16:07
drathirand its connected directly with no connected lcd im guessing...16:08
* Sicelo is completely lost now16:09
KotCzarnydrathir: pytanie w czym problem16:10
KotCzarnydrathir: co konkretnie dziala/nie dziala i kiedy16:10
drathirin theory some kind of paralel mode both are connected each other, or some kind of similar to back panel switch sd card behaviour, w/o connected workin lcd not enabling signal out...16:10
KotCzarnySo if your TV doesn't recognize the video out of the N900, I'd first try to display a bright image to see if that helps, or just wait a few minutes. You also need to connect the video source prior to connecting the cable to the N90016:12
drathirno lcd connected no tv out available, workin lcd attached tv out available and fuly workin...16:12
KotCzarnyn900 tv out signal is ~0.5V instead of standard 1.0V16:12
drathirSicelo: and yea lcd=builid in lcd...16:13
KotCzarnyso, you mean tv signal is only present when device is unlocked?16:16
drathirtv signal out workin only when working builidin lcd attached...16:17
Wizzupare you sure X even starts?16:17
KotCzarnyattached like in ribbon cable connected?16:18
drathirwhen builid in lcd unattached the tv out signal not workin...16:18
KotCzarnywhat wizzup said16:18
KotCzarnymaybe it doesnt boot properly without lcd attached16:18
drathiryea, builid in lcd connected to board and disconnected from board...16:19
drathirWizzup thats really: good point, maybe the X crashing w/o builid in lcd connected to board... i guess  need to check that by ssh connect to phone...16:21
Wizzupdrathir: that or serial16:22
drathirthat also could mean tv out and builid in lcd out could be linked each other in some way...16:22
* drathir thinks all the time that are both separate device outs...16:24
WizzupI wonder if you can have them show separate things16:24
Wizzupas much as I would *love* that16:24
WizzupI am not so sure if that is possible16:24
Wizzupcc DocScrutinizer5116:24
KotCzarnydoes xrandr work on n900?16:24
WizzupKotCzarny: likely not with omapfb16:25
WizzupI mean, you could check...16:25
WizzupI also doubt you'd control the tv out with xrandr16:25
Wizzupbut maybe ... just maybe16:25
KotCzarny(II) FBDEV(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message.16:26
KotCzarnybut no word in xlog about tv out16:27
KotCzarnyonly lcd16:27
Wizzupof course ... not visible atm16:27
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drathirbut even if that all no success i guess at least stay vnc...16:28
KotCzarnydrathir: or usb video card16:28
Wizzupdrathir: what is it that you want to do16:28
drathirWizzup: not sure if clean mamemo have it too, but with kernel power i was i menu the type pal/ntsc and i guess also resolution...16:29
KotCzarnydrathir, never saw resolution applet for tv out16:29
KotCzarnythough i saw desktop widget with scaling etc16:30
Wizzupyou cannot change the resolution16:30
drathirKotCzarny: yea that too but powered modified usb hub needed for that i guess...16:30
KotCzarnyand tv system16:30
WizzupI wonder why I cannot find wiki pages on it16:30
KotCzarnytv out control widget16:31
WizzupI mean on how it works internally16:31
Wizzupon the wiki16:31
drathirWizzup: im thinked about connecting n900 w/o lcd to tv instead...16:31
KotCzarnytv out is limited to 576px vertically16:31
KotCzarnywhich sux for anything16:31
* Wizzup looks at libtvout-ctl16:33
Wizzupdrathir: so you want to get a higher res output on the tv?16:33
drathirKotCzarny: played 720p with nice looks and cool sound...16:34
drathirbut up than 720p is really trouble ;/16:34
drathirWizzup: and no needed high res on tv, enough standard one w/o attached builid in lcd to board....16:37
Wizzupdrathir: you're really confusing me16:38
Wizzupdid you just say you managed to output more than 480x800 on the tv out16:38
drathirWizzup: when You put out builid in lcd from boad, You have only board and to be able connect only board w/o builid in lcd directly by tv out...16:39
WizzupSo what? Just leave the lcd on for now16:40
WizzupI do not understand the whole discussion16:40
drathirin case i dont have lcd its broken or wathever reason no lcd connected to board...16:40
Wizzupso the whole discussion was never about a different resolution on anything16:41
Wizzupjust ssh to it already and figure out if X is still working or not16:41
drathirno lcd connected to board = tv out not workin...16:41
Wizzupyou said this a 100 times16:41
drathirWizzup: yea i will check all the things mentioned...16:41
drathirand ofc thanks a lot for all useful ideas...16:44
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Siceloanyone knows why Google, when `inventing` Android, decided to combine Linux with Java?18:35
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KotCzarnysicelo, for science and stuff!19:12
KotCzarnybut seriously they needed cheap platform with sandbox19:12
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Siceloi'd assume close to vanilla linux would be cheap enough19:24
WizzupSicelo: google never invented android19:25
WizzupThey bought it19:25
Sicelofrom? and still .. they should have bought tizen :P19:28
Siceloor webos (or were these not around in those days)19:30
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DocScrutinizer05((<drathir> no lcd connected to board = tv out not workin...)) yes, this seems to be correct. Probably X11 (or kernel module) doesn't initialize the LCD display buffer. mind you "LCD" also has a lot of other subsystems like "mousepointer" aka touchpanel, bacjlight for LCD, camera, ALS, proximity sensor19:36
Siceloanyway .. just random musing. the fate of android is sealed19:36
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: first Android device was OM Freerunner and I don't think tizen existed at that time, neither webos was 'available'19:37
Sicelowould been interesting if google went with either of those19:38
DocScrutinizer05you seen werner almesberger's talk on Neo900? he's mentioning the unknown fact about very first Android device19:40
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Sicelono. will look at it again19:41
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Sicelohaha, from wikipedia:19:43
SiceloSeveral security firms, such as Lookout Mobile Security,[171]  AVG Technologies,[172]  and McAfee,[173]  have released antivirus software for Android devices. This software is ineffective as sandboxing also applies to such applications, limiting their ability to scan the deeper system for threats.19:43
DocScrutinizer05(OM Freerunner) I rather guess it was OM GTA0119:50
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SiceloDocScrutinizer05: link for the video?19:59
DocScrutinizer05 p.620:01
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DocScrutinizer05yw :-)20:08
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Sicelotoo late, lol. i'm at 6 min already20:20
Sicelohe's calling our OS FREEmantle!! insult20:20
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drathirDocScrutinizer05: ALS is light sensor right?21:40
drathirSicelo: comodo suggesting rooting of device for extra feautures ^^21:41
Sicelore ALS ^^21:41
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Wizzup~seen pali22:26
KotCzarnybot still missing22:28
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ceenenow that i think about it23:40
ceenethere should be a way of sniffing out the messages between whatsapp and its servers23:41
ceenemaybe i could compare the group creation messages23:41
ceeneor maybe it is decipherable in the decompiled code, dunno23:41
L29Ahthey should be talking over tls23:41
ceeneif wa verifies the cert of wa servers there isn't anything i can do, is it?23:42
L29Ahtry hijacking the tls lib23:42
L29Ahto dump the plaintext23:43
ceenei could write a shared library that replaces the original23:43
ceeneseems a bit complicated23:43
L29Ahyou need to write a shared library that proxies the calls to the original one23:44
L29Ahor you need to patch the original one to dump stuff you need23:44
L29Ahgo ldd the client to see if it actually uses any23:44
ceenei think that won't be needed23:45
keriothere's very little you can't do if you have root23:46
ceenei got the decompiled coded and seems readable23:46
kerioat least, in theory23:46
L29Ahwhat did you use to decompile it?23:46
keriodoes android use openssl?23:47
L29Ahoh java23:47
ceenebasically first google entry for "java decompiler"23:47
ceenethere seems to be a new entry23:51
ceenecalled "web"23:51
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ceeneit's not always set23:52
ceenedon't know, I'm confused23:52
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ceenei can't see any difference :(23:56
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