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| Sicelo | does anyone know what map source the location widget uses? it seems a bit different from ovi maps. | 00:04 |
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| Sicelo | location-test-gui has same display as location test | 00:05 |
| Sicelo | *widget reather | 00:06 |
| Sicelo | hmm, seems to be here.com :-O | 00:13 |
| Sicelo | location widget opens connection to download.linux.s2g.gate5.de, and location-test-gui uses loc.desktop.maps.svc.ovi.com | 00:17 |
| Sicelo | some wireshark blues | 00:22 |
| Sicelo | wireshark -i wlan0 -k -f host 192.168.1.94 | 00:22 |
| Sicelo | wireshark: You can't specify both a live capture and a capture file to be read | 00:23 |
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| Sicelo | ugh! location-test-gui is also non-free | 00:35 |
| ceene | that's murphy for you | 00:50 |
| Sicelo | i just noticed both location-test-gui & location widget get the very latest maps off here.com. if only ovi maps also used the same urls | 00:55 |
| ceene | is it known which urls ovi maps use? | 00:56 |
| Sicelo | wireshark :p | 00:56 |
| ceene | it's somewhere in closed source you mean | 00:56 |
| Sicelo | yes. hardcoded clearly | 00:57 |
| Sicelo | anyway, window's ovi suite still does get maps onto n900 .. although not very up-to-date, but useable | 00:58 |
| ceene | nokia has sold here maps too | 00:59 |
| Sicelo | yes. i saw. nokia will be completely erased off the planet | 00:59 |
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| Maxdamantus | Xorg/XKB comes with a decent compose map, but the Maemo libraries do something strange to intercept the compose key and produce the dialogue you normally see (or maybe something else using a different IME or something, haven't really experimented with those) | 02:20 |
| Maxdamantus | if you run a program that's not linked against the Hildon stuff, you can just use fn+sym then type something like 'a to get á. | 02:21 |
| * Maxdamantus wants to figure out how to stop the Hildon behaviour. | 02:22 | |
| Maxdamantus | Also thought of something that might help me solve another issue I have, with osso-xterm. | 02:25 |
| Maxdamantus | Could use that X11 wrapper thing to try figuring out what key combination causes it to close randomly. | 02:26 |
| Maxdamantus | xscope | 02:29 |
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| bencoh | Maxdamantus: you can also change the compose key (via xkb) | 09:48 |
| Maxdamantus | bencoh: there's nothing wrong with the compose key. | 09:51 |
| Maxdamantus | bencoh: the problem is the way Hildon applications respond to it. | 09:51 |
| bencoh | I know :) | 09:52 |
| Maxdamantus | It opens a the "Sym" dialogue when you press the key instead of inputting the compositions that should follow. | 09:52 |
| bencoh | I think hildon maps the Multi_key | 09:54 |
| bencoh | not the compose modifier | 09:55 |
| Maxdamantus | Multi_key is compose. | 09:55 |
| Maxdamantus | compose isn't a modifier. | 09:55 |
| Maxdamantus | Multi_key is usually fn+sym in Maemo. | 09:56 |
| Maxdamantus | Xorg itself generates the actual composition results. | 09:56 |
| Maxdamantus | but the Hildon applications ignore them. | 09:57 |
| bencoh | not exactly | 09:57 |
| bencoh | compose is an xkb option | 09:57 |
| bencoh | Multi_key is a xkb keysym mapping | 09:57 |
| Maxdamantus | Whatever the source is, they're sent over the X11 connection. | 09:57 |
| Maxdamantus | It's not up to the applications to read the composition map and deal with it specially. | 09:58 |
| bencoh | so you should be able to set the compose option to some other key/keysym | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | hwclock --utc --systohc | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | hwclock: unrecognized option `--utc' | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | Usage: hwclock [-r|--show] [-s|--hctosys] [-w|--systohc] [-l|--localtime] [-u|--utc] [-f FILE] | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | is busybox drunk? | 09:59 |
| bencoh | high on heavy fuel | 10:00 |
| Maxdamantus | It'll do UTC by default. | 10:00 |
| * Maxdamantus just uses `hwclock -w` | 10:00 | |
| KotCzarny | still, not accepting option then suggesting it on the next line isnt consistent | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | unless someone castrated long opts but didnt update help | 10:01 |
| Maxdamantus | bencoh: I don't think you can fix it by creating a new xkb identifier alongside Multi_key, if that's what you're saying. | 10:02 |
| Maxdamantus | bencoh: I think the Hildon input system just drops the key events generated by the composition mechanism. | 10:02 |
| Maxdamantus | and those events shouldn't have anything to do with what it's called in XKB. | 10:03 |
| Maxdamantus | https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/90f98b83d9f39476f301 | 10:03 |
| Maxdamantus | That's xev output on my desktop when I type `→.` (the first character using the compose key) | 10:04 |
| Maxdamantus | You can distinguish between the `→` and the `.` events using something like the state property | 10:05 |
| stryngs | ~xy | 10:22 |
| infobot | hmm... xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal | 10:22 |
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| Maxdamantus | Ahah! I fixed it! | 11:03 |
| Maxdamantus | Just have to remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/hildon-im-module.so | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | dont forget to post to wiki or tmo | 11:03 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: maemo busybox is somewhat old | 11:03 |
| Wizzup | 'remove'? :P | 11:04 |
| Wizzup | So what does this break? | 11:04 |
| Maxdamantus | and maybe replace hildon-input-method, will see if that interrupts me when I restart that normally. | 11:04 |
| Maxdamantus | It replaces the weird Hildon IM stuff (eg, the popping up of the symbols dialogue) with normal Xorg behaviour (Multi_key on any typical desktop system) | 11:05 |
| Maxdamantus | "remove" as in make it not exist at that location, so whatever is loading it can't load it anymore. | 11:05 |
| Maxdamantus | Anyone been to Þruðvángr? | 11:12 |
| * Maxdamantus typed that on his N900, from osso-xterm, without silly dialogues. | 11:13 | |
| bencoh | Maxdamantus: "fixed" :)) | 11:13 |
| bencoh | I guess it disabled the vkb as well | 11:14 |
| Maxdamantus | Damn, misspelt, Þrúðvangr* | 11:14 |
| * Maxdamantus will check. | 11:14 | |
| * Maxdamantus usually has it disabled. | 11:15 | |
| bencoh | vkb is handy for foreign languages/alphabets | 11:15 |
| ceene | what i'd like to know is how to write on easy debian aplications special symbols that usually available on the Fn+Sym menu | 11:15 |
| Maxdamantus | Yes, that apparently doesn't work, though I don't use it. | 11:15 |
| bencoh | Maxdamantus: I wonder if vanilla scim/xim would work properly in gtk apps with HIM removed | 11:16 |
| * Maxdamantus will try. | 11:17 | |
| bencoh | that'd be cool | 11:17 |
| Maxdamantus | I tried scim once. | 11:17 |
| bencoh | I have both (vanilla) scim and hildon-scim here | 11:17 |
| bencoh | (use it once in a while for japanese input) | 11:17 |
| bencoh | unfortunately the gtk scim agent needs some patching to fix some battery leak | 11:18 |
| Maxdamantus | Battery leak? | 11:19 |
| bencoh | there is timer that keeps running even in background | 11:20 |
| Maxdamantus | Ah. | 11:20 |
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| Maxdamantus | Mm .. just getting BadLength errors on scim in Debian. | 11:33 |
| Maxdamantus | That seems to happen with a lot of things, I think always in Gdk. | 11:33 |
| Maxdamantus | dunno. | 11:33 |
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| fishbulb | hey | 12:47 |
| fishbulb | ~flasher | 12:47 |
| infobot | flasher is, like, at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 12:47 |
| fishbulb | what is the "best" setup for an n900 these days | 12:48 |
| fishbulb | I have 3 and I'm not willing to spend money on any other phone | 12:48 |
| fishbulb | if I need android I use a tablet | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | define 'setup' | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | what is your use case | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | also: | 12:49 |
| fishbulb | every day phone with as much added on stuff as possible | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 12:49 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | fisbulb: flash pr1.3.1 then go cssu (or cssu-thumb if you are feeling adventurous) | 12:49 |
| fishbulb | flash-it-all ? | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | just a name, it grabs images etc | 12:49 |
| Wizzup | I can confirm cssu-thumb works just fine | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 12:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu | 12:50 |
| infobot | cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | as for apps, do you listen to music? | 12:51 |
| Wizzup | lol | 12:52 |
| Wizzup | always plugging your own thing | 12:52 |
| Wizzup | I find the maemo media player quite good | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, omp > maemo media player | 12:52 |
| Wizzup | yes, sure | 12:52 |
| ceene | as music player i'm using someplayer lately | 12:53 |
| ceene | i think i did a comparison with oscp and someplayer used less cpu | 12:53 |
| ceene | though not by much probably | 12:53 |
| fishbulb | use cssu | 12:53 |
| fishbulb | I use | 12:54 |
| fishbulb | basically I want to wipe the phone and restore a fresh os | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | maybe i should try building oscp with thumb2 | 12:54 |
| fishbulb | then install all the normal trickery like cssu and that boot manager and shit | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | fishbulb, then ~flashing ~cssu ~maemo-repos | 12:54 |
| ceene | can you run non thumb apps on a thumb system? | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 12:56 |
| fishbulb | what's thumb | 12:56 |
| fishbulb | do you guys use these as your every day phone? | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | also thumb apps on nonthumb system (but you need kp | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | fishbulb: yes, since 2009 | 12:56 |
| ceene | so should i reflash to thum then, is it the recommended thing now? | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, thumb is experimental still | 12:56 |
| fishbulb | heh, I couldn't afford it in 2009 | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | stable mostly, but bugs can be quietly present | 12:57 |
| fishbulb | I've been running 3 for about 5 years | 12:57 |
| ceene | do you use 3 n900 at the same time? | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:57 |
| fishbulb | no | 12:57 |
| fishbulb | I have an n9 which is interesting because it has more power but nothing can beat this brick | 12:58 |
| fishbulb | in terms of keyboard and some of the hardware other phones don't have | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | and software | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:59 |
| fishbulb | um | 13:05 |
| fishbulb | python, clojure | 13:05 |
| fishbulb | command line stuff | 13:05 |
| fishbulb | which software do you mean? | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | all of them | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | basically linux | 13:06 |
| fishbulb | you can run bash on a rooted android device | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | i wrote few apps for myself | 13:06 |
| fishbulb | what do they do? | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | audio player, audio visualizer/pixel engine, image viewer, http/ftp proxy | 13:07 |
| fishbulb | no shit | 13:07 |
| fishbulb | do you have any video of the visualiser running? | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | one user made few (but its only a little bit what it does) | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | mostly 2d pixel stuff, no 3d | 13:08 |
| fishbulb | where can I see it? | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | searching, moment | 13:08 |
| fishbulb | I'm running opensuse, how do I install these .deb files | 13:09 |
| fishbulb | for flashing etc | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | um, just grab that flash-it-all | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | it has tools/links to auto get firmware etc | 13:10 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 13:10 |
| ceene | and of course there's yappari, which more often than not gets people banned, even the coder himself ;) | 13:10 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 13:10 |
| fishbulb | I use yappari on this | 13:10 |
| fishbulb | yappari keeps getting updates every time I look for any | 13:11 |
| fishbulb | it's basically the only app that ever gets regularly updated | 13:11 |
| ceene | oh, i know, i'm the guy who releases them | 13:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:11 |
| ceene | but don't get too used to that... | 13:12 |
| ceene | dunno, maybe I manage to implement textsecure | 13:12 |
| fishbulb | haha | 13:12 |
| ceene | the problem is that it's a never ending race | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | fishbulb: if you want to check you can grab osc and osc-pix packages | 13:13 |
| fishbulb | so people in here keep the repos etc maintained? | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | its still in unfinished form there and little manual | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | i think pressing h should show some help and starting with -h should print some more help | 13:14 |
| ceene | each coder is in charge of its own packages on the repos | 13:14 |
| fishbulb | I want to flash this phone back to stock then cssu, then kernel power and whatever else is necessary | 13:14 |
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| fishbulb | I have one n900 that I haven't re-soldered a usb connector onto | 13:15 |
| fishbulb | it got pulled out by someone else | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | i recently bought 3 more n900s | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | for 15, 25 and ~50usd | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | the cheapest one has broken modem chip but otherwise works 100% | 13:21 |
| fishbulb | how do you break a modem chip | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | pressure | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | or high/cold changes | 13:22 |
| KotCzarny | it unsolders itself | 13:22 |
| KotCzarny | freaking rohs | 13:22 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, is there any way to configure preffered maemo apps without editing configs manually? | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | *preferred | 13:28 |
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| fishbulb | like doing extended packet injection and shit? | 13:31 |
| fishbulb | I've got into a total of about 5 wireless networks with this dodo of a phone | 13:31 |
| fishbulb | that I remember | 13:31 |
| fishbulb | it's not great for doing that | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | you shouldnt break into private networks | 13:33 |
| fishbulb | it was friends places | 13:35 |
| fishbulb | it was still slow as hell | 13:35 |
| fishbulb | I think that's probably one way of overheating the wireless chipset | 13:35 |
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| Sicelo | Maxdamantus: i wonder if instead of removing the module you could perhaps disable (unset) the corresponding key in gconf | 14:09 |
| Maxdamantus | It looks like you'd remove it from /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules | 14:23 |
| Maxdamantus | Actually, no. That's apparently generated by scanning the directory. | 14:24 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm, dunno. | 14:24 |
| Sicelo | there's a gconf key .. let me find its path | 14:25 |
| Sicelo | ah .. i'm wrong .. that path is for something else, still relatted to HIM though | 14:26 |
| Sicelo | /apps/osso/inputmethod | 14:26 |
| Maxdamantus | Yeah, I've looked at that before and couldn't think of what might be useful to do there. | 14:27 |
| Maxdamantus | There should really be a way of making it not load the module in the first place. | 14:27 |
| Maxdamantus | Rather than loading the module so that it can read some configuration somewhere saying that it shouldn't do anything. | 14:28 |
| Sicelo | so after removing the module, how did you get maemo to put in the special characters? | 14:28 |
| Maxdamantus | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internationalization#Disabling_GTK_IM_modules_.28without_uninstalling.29 | 14:29 |
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| Maxdamantus | I just used the normal compose mechanism. | 14:29 |
| Maxdamantus | fn+sym is usually mapped to Multi_key, which usually lets you type special characters by writing sequences of typable characters after it. | 14:30 |
| Sicelo | say i want to input U+0104 . how you do that now? | 14:31 |
| Maxdamantus | but the Hildon IM thing makes the application respond in a special way to Multi_key, so it overrides the standard Xorg/X11 behaviour. | 14:31 |
| Maxdamantus | fn+sym, 'A', ',' | 14:31 |
| Sicelo | ah. i get you | 14:32 |
| * Maxdamantus is already using a layout where he can type all printable ASCII characters. | 14:34 | |
| Maxdamantus | (only double-modifier one is `) | 14:34 |
| Maxdamantus | (it also happens to be a Dvorak-based layout) | 14:35 |
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| Sicelo | btw, in Easy-Deb, the Shift-Ctrl-U method works :) | 15:33 |
| Maxdamantus | Yes, that works here too. | 15:34 |
| Sicelo | "here" meaning? | 15:35 |
| Maxdamantus | in Maemo. | 15:35 |
| Sicelo | wow! after removal of the module? | 15:35 |
| Maxdamantus | I guess so. | 15:35 |
| Maxdamantus | I haven't tried it with the module. | 15:35 |
| Sicelo | well, gotta say thanks then :) | 15:36 |
| Sicelo | finally an answer to my question | 15:36 |
| Maxdamantus | It's kind of tedious pressing those keys though. | 15:36 |
| Sicelo | yes :p | 15:36 |
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| Sicelo | actually i don't even need any of this .. but i could imagine the pain users go through who need lots of them. i know one could always reconfigure the hwkb or vkb | 15:37 |
| Sicelo | but .. sometimes you could just need it once-off | 15:38 |
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| freemangordon | Sicelo: (re http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1482006&postcount=54) If I was to explain somebody how to pass through the app review, I'd rather would do it myself. What needs to be done is - someone has to read the review documentation and execyte the needed staps | 15:44 |
| freemangordon | *execute | 15:45 |
| freemangordon | one doesn't need to be dev to do it | 15:45 |
| Sicelo | ok. let me go through it | 15:45 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: you can create your own app on facebook, to get used to the review UI | 15:46 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon: is there anything special to do to compile for thumb2? or just some gcc flags? | 15:46 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: just gcc flags | 15:47 |
| * Maxdamantus will probably end up writing some input-related things as part of an xmonad configuration. | 15:47 | |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon: got them somewhere handy? | 15:47 |
| freemangordon | -mthumb :P | 15:47 |
| * Maxdamantus sleeps. | 15:47 | |
| KotCzarny | that simple/ :P | 15:47 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | cool | 15:47 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: keep in mind - if there are assembly optimizations, you may need to fix them to be thumb2 compatible | 15:48 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 15:53 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: the biggest problem (as I see it) with n900 FB app, is that it doesn't fall into any of the platforms supported by FB | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | you mean asm inlines or something else? | 15:53 |
| freemangordon | and you cannot send for review without choosing platform :D | 15:53 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: asm inlines? | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | assembler inline code | 15:54 |
| freemangordon | yes | 15:54 |
| freemangordon | some instructions are not available in thumb2 mode | 15:54 |
| KotCzarny | but for regular c/c++ code i shouldnt worry? | 15:54 |
| freemangordon | some behave diferently | 15:54 |
| freemangordon | no, regular c/++ is ok | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | k | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | i have to disable asm in libav to compile it anyway | 15:55 |
| freemangordon | wait, why? | 15:55 |
| Sicelo | eek! that sucks | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | because it was failing with gcc 4.2 | 15:55 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: I guess it will be ok with 4.7.2 | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but not in thumb i guess, still, gotta check tomorrow | 15:56 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: yeah. I choose "web site" as a platform | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | any other optimization flags applicable for thumb? | 15:56 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: see, this is just an instruction set. usual stuff apply | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | k | 15:57 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: better use -O2 | 15:57 |
| freemangordon | seems like this is the best for n900 | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | will try both, O2 and O3 and do some tests | 15:57 |
| freemangordon | ah, and also enable the neon stuff if any | 15:57 |
| freemangordon | -mfpu=neon, iirc | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | k, thx again | 15:58 |
| freemangordon | YW | 15:58 |
| Sicelo | freemangordon: by the way, we are talking here about the sharing plugin? or were people referring to something else? | 16:00 |
| freemangordon | yes, sharing plugin | 16:00 |
| freemangordon | there might be people referring to something else, but I am not amongst them :) | 16:01 |
| freemangordon | I am not really interested in FB widget | 16:01 |
| Sicelo | what did the widget do? | 16:03 |
| freemangordon | was showing... hmm... how is it called? well, the "news" on your FB page. new posts, etc. | 16:06 |
| Sicelo | ok. | 16:06 |
| freemangordon | the stuff you see when you open FB in the browser | 16:06 |
| freemangordon | and it launches microb when you click on it | 16:07 |
| freemangordon | iirc | 16:07 |
| KotCzarny | or default registered html app | 16:07 |
| Sicelo | haha, so even if it worked, you'd have problems as we don't appear to have a browser that can handle facebook.com properly nowadays | 16:08 |
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| freemangordon | Sicelo: yep | 16:11 |
| freemangordon | well, m.facebook.com works fine in microb | 16:11 |
| freemangordon | touch.facebook.com works almosT fine :) | 16:12 |
| Sicelo | yeah, although i doubt the widget could have been hacked for that, or would it? | 16:12 |
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| fishbulb | microb can handle facebook? | 16:54 |
| fishbulb | I gave up ages ago | 16:55 |
| fishbulb | when flash got outdated | 16:55 |
| Sicelo | m.facebook | 16:55 |
| fishbulb | better than nothing | 16:55 |
| fishbulb | I'm trying to flash an n9 | 16:55 |
| fishbulb | well, zero it, then flash it, I can't get all the required images in linux | 16:56 |
| fishbulb | you need to run some windows software to download them for some reason | 16:56 |
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| Sicelo | check with other n9 guys. i'm sure ther are mirrors | 16:57 |
| fishbulb | mrcrab.net | 16:58 |
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| fishbulb | can someone provide me with the linux flasher tool for the n9? | 17:20 |
| fishbulb | 64bit rpm | 17:20 |
| fishbulb | the flasher 3.5 doesn't work with the n9 | 17:22 |
| fishbulb | and that's the only one I have for the n900 | 17:22 |
| freemangordon | ~flash | 17:28 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 17:28 |
| freemangordon | ~repo | 17:29 |
| infobot | The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications | 17:29 |
| freemangordon | ~repos | 17:29 |
| infobot | from memory, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 17:29 |
| freemangordon | ~tablets-dev | 17:29 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads | 17:29 |
| freemangordon | fishbulb: http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads | 17:30 |
| freemangordon | or rather: ftp://93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb | 17:30 |
| freemangordon | hmm, doesn't work | 17:30 |
| fishbulb | skeiron.org doesn't work no | 17:31 |
| freemangordon | fishbulb: that one seems to work https://coderus.openrepos.net/flasher/flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb | 17:31 |
| fishbulb | that's a .deb | 17:31 |
| fishbulb | I'm running opensuse | 17:31 |
| fishbulb | will that install? | 17:32 |
| freemangordon | well, just extract the binary | 17:32 |
| fishbulb | er | 17:32 |
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| freemangordon | also, I bet there is alien for rpm based distros | 17:32 |
| freemangordon | ~alien | 17:33 |
| infobot | Converts between the rpm, dpkg, stampede slp, andslackware tgz file formats. URL: http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ | 17:33 |
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| fishbulb | I don't know exactly what I'm doing | 17:34 |
| fishbulb | this is a redhat derivative | 17:35 |
| fishbulb | I have no idea how to install .deb files | 17:35 |
| freemangordon | fishbulb: "yum install alien"? | 17:35 |
| freemangordon | fishbulb: then use alien to convert the .deb to .rpm | 17:36 |
| fishbulb | wait I have to restart the plugin container | 17:36 |
| fishbulb | apparently | 17:37 |
| freemangordon | fishbulb: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/11/alien-command-examples/ | 17:37 |
| fishbulb | ah crap not before downloading the .bin files | 17:37 |
| fishbulb | I'll be back in 10 minutes | 17:38 |
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| fishbulb | rice cooker, activate! | 17:43 |
| fishbulb | is there a source I can build from? | 17:46 |
| fishbulb | opensuse is fucking weird | 17:47 |
| kerio | i'm pretty sure nokia's flasher is proprietary | 17:47 |
| kerio | ~0xFFFF | 17:47 |
| infobot | well, 0xffff is https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 | 17:47 |
| kerio | that one's free | 17:47 |
| kerio | but it can't reflash the eMMC | 17:47 |
| fishbulb | I need to do both | 17:47 |
| kerio | then again, you don't really want to | 17:47 |
| kerio | fishbulb: you think you do | 17:47 |
| freemangordon | kerio: also, I am not sure it supports n9 | 17:47 |
| kerio | oh this is the n9? nvm | 17:48 |
| kerio | buy a n900 :> | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | :) | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | yeah, sane advice | 17:48 |
| fishbulb | I have 3 of them | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | use them ffs | 17:48 |
| fishbulb | I am getting this n9 running to give to my father | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | but why? give him n900 instead | 17:48 |
| fishbulb | he won't be able to use it | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | yeah, sure | 17:49 |
| kerio | the n900 is kinda shitty to use as a phone tbh | 17:49 |
| kerio | but then again i never used a n9 | 17:49 |
| fishbulb | the n9 is much easier | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | you don;t say | 17:49 |
| fishbulb | he can just push the buttons | 17:49 |
| fishbulb | no keyboard | 17:49 |
| kerio | buy him a 50€ nokia | 17:49 |
| kerio | they still make them | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | fishbulb: I have 2 n950 devices in the drawer collecting dust | 17:49 |
| fishbulb | no | 17:49 |
| kerio | my dad recently bought one | 17:49 |
| kerio | literally 31 days in standby | 17:50 |
| fishbulb | this n9 is good enough to use | 17:50 |
| freemangordon | fishbulb: also, afaik, there is more SW still working on n900 than on n9 | 17:50 |
| fishbulb | that's why I still use an n900 | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | :) | 17:51 |
| fishbulb | he can still make calls and probably listen to 50gb worth of music | 17:51 |
| fishbulb | or however much storage this 64gb model has | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | no fmtx ;) | 17:52 |
| fishbulb | it's a nice solid phone with a touch screen | 17:52 |
| fishbulb | he doesn't need that | 17:52 |
| freemangordon | aah, well then | 17:52 |
| fishbulb | it's still a nice touchscreen phone | 17:52 |
| freemangordon | sure | 17:52 |
| freemangordon | btw, does navigation work offline? | 17:53 |
| fishbulb | no clue, he doesn't need that either | 17:53 |
| fishbulb | I've literally never used this phone, navigation may work offline? I don't know. | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | hmm, so he needs 50euro phone then, as kerio said :P | 17:53 |
| fishbulb | I don't have 50 euros, I do have a 64gb n9 sitting right here | 17:54 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 17:54 |
| fishbulb | he lives in a forest | 17:54 |
| fishbulb | n9 will do | 17:55 |
| fishbulb | man I can't get this .deb to work | 17:58 |
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| fishbulb | https://software.opensuse.org/package/alien | 18:00 |
| fishbulb | wow that was a phenomanal amount of crap | 18:02 |
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| fishbulb | I had to close the browser | 18:03 |
| fishbulb | could you paste that info on how to convert the .deb? | 18:04 |
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| fishbulb | ok I hope this actually works | 18:08 |
| fishbulb | ~flasher | 18:08 |
| infobot | hmm... flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 18:08 |
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| fishbulb | this just doesn't work | 18:17 |
| fishbulb | it says something about the usb device being busy | 18:17 |
| fishbulb | I put it into sdk mode | 18:17 |
| fishbulb | mass storage mode | 18:17 |
| fishbulb | sync and connect | 18:17 |
| fishbulb | nothing works | 18:17 |
| ceene | it seems there's a guy who has been banned too after creating a group | 18:18 |
| ceene | tht doesn't sound good at all | 18:18 |
| fishbulb | what? | 18:23 |
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| ceene | yappari | 18:32 |
| Sicelo | yes ceene. saw it :( | 18:32 |
| ceene | whatsapp servers are banning us when we try to create a group | 18:32 |
| ceene | i don't understad why | 18:32 |
| ceene | the method is the same that has been working since ever | 18:32 |
| kerio | rekt | 18:33 |
| ceene | i modified it a bit for 2.0.17 so initial participants are listed on the same command as create group | 18:33 |
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| ceene | that's the only difference i found between yappari and others (yowsu, etc) | 18:33 |
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| fishbulb | do I put this into sdk mode or mass storage mode | 18:47 |
| fishbulb | or sync and connect | 18:47 |
| robbiethe1st | For? | 18:47 |
| fishbulb | nothing is being detected by flasher | 18:47 |
| fishbulb | n9 | 18:47 |
| robbiethe1st | If it's like the N900, you turn the device off with the USB unplugged | 18:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Start flasher, then plug in USB. The device will then boot into flashing mode | 18:48 |
| fishbulb | then converting this .deb file to .rpm didn't work maybe? | 18:48 |
| fishbulb | Device identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy | 18:50 |
| fishbulb | I am getting sick of this shit :/ | 18:51 |
| fishbulb | USB device found at bus 001, device address 046. Device identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy | 18:51 |
| fishbulb | then 10 | 18:52 |
| fishbulb | more messages of "Error claiming usb interface" | 18:52 |
| ceene | are you root? | 18:55 |
| ceene | you may need to be | 18:55 |
| fishbulb | yes | 19:00 |
| fishbulb | this just won't work | 19:00 |
| fishbulb | I converted the .deb file to .rpm | 19:02 |
| fishbulb | maybe that's the problem | 19:02 |
| Sicelo | just use a live distro then :) | 19:05 |
| Sicelo | knoppix for example | 19:06 |
| fishbulb | f that | 19:06 |
| fishbulb | I'll try the windows tool | 19:06 |
| Sicelo | linux is much more reliable for flashing maemo devices than windows is. | 19:06 |
| Sicelo | anyway, your choice | 19:07 |
| fishbulb | it won't work | 19:08 |
| fishbulb | I've tried it dozens of times | 19:08 |
| Sicelo | what won't work? :/ | 19:08 |
| fishbulb | this flasher | 19:08 |
| fishbulb | I converted it to rpm, installed it | 19:09 |
| fishbulb | now it won't properly detect the phone | 19:09 |
| fishbulb | do I mount the phone or something? | 19:09 |
| Sicelo | ok. hope windows will | 19:09 |
| fishbulb | me too | 19:10 |
| ceene | phone shut off | 19:11 |
| ceene | plug cable, run flasher, start phone | 19:11 |
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| fishbulb_ | ~flasher | 19:14 |
| infobot | i guess flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 19:14 |
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| fishbulb | where's the crappy windows one? | 19:14 |
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| fishbulb | it's trying to get me to donate money | 19:21 |
| fishbulb | to use this software | 19:21 |
| Sicelo | prolly you downloaded a trojan .. welcome to windows. the nokia one shouldn't do that | 19:21 |
| fishbulb | ~flasher | 19:23 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/n | 19:23 |
| fishbulb | http://www.symbian-toys.com/navifirm.aspx | 19:24 |
| fishbulb | this is the site | 19:24 |
| Sicelo | :0 | 19:25 |
| Sicelo | are you trying to coldflash the N9? | 19:25 |
| fishbulb | coldflash? | 19:26 |
| fishbulb | https://coderus.openrepos.net/flasher/ | 19:26 |
| fishbulb | this one doesn't work either | 19:26 |
| fishbulb | the windows version | 19:26 |
| Sicelo | then you have bad cable, bad N9 usb port, bad pc port, or some such | 19:27 |
| fishbulb | or it wasn't plugged in | 19:27 |
| Sicelo | you only need flasher. don't mess with hardcore software like the navifirm one. | 19:28 |
| fishbulb | still does nothing | 19:29 |
| fishbulb | how do I open a command line as administrator | 19:38 |
| Sicelo | hmm ... you may need to google proper N9 flashing commands | 19:38 |
| Sicelo | to open windows command prompt as administrator type `cmd` in the start orb, then right-click on it .. second or third option is what you need | 19:39 |
| fishbulb | turn on the phone then plug in? | 19:42 |
| Sicelo | i think you would have to plug it in while off .. but i don't have N9 .. hence i said you need to google the proper way | 19:42 |
| Sicelo | #maemo isn't exactly the right chan for N9 .. not many of us know how to use it, and a large number of us aren't interested at all | 19:43 |
| fishbulb | I am becoming less and less interested | 19:43 |
| Sicelo | :D | 19:43 |
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| Sicelo | i've got a friend's N9 here at my desk as we speak. i love it's hardware build for sure. but love my two N900 more | 19:44 |
| fishbulb | if I have 3 does that mean I win? | 19:45 |
| Sicelo | i wish i knew | 19:45 |
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| fishbulb | fix with hammer | 19:51 |
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| fishbulb | this goddamn fucking n9 won't flash! | 21:53 |
| fishbulb | I'm going to actually shoot it | 21:53 |
| fishbulb | sorry about the language but this is infuriating | 21:55 |
| Sicelo | are you absolutely sure *you* are doing it right? | 21:55 |
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| KotCzarny | fishbulb, how much do you wanna sell it for? :) | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | also, for n9 you should use flasher >3.5 | 22:21 |
| fishbulb | less than? I did | 22:22 |
| fishbulb | it said flasher 3.5 doesn't work | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | bigger | 22:22 |
| fishbulb | um | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:23 |
| fishbulb | from where? | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | lets see.. | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | ~flasher | 22:23 |
| infobot | i heard flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 22:23 |
| fishbulb | :| | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | https://aur.archlinux. | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | this one | 22:23 |
| fishbulb | how do I use that in opensuse | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | tar -xzf filename | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | then just run binary from subdir | 22:24 |
| fishbulb | not found | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/flasher-harmattan/ | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | apparently link changed | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | also: https://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing_N9 | 22:25 |
| fishbulb | is there an rpm? | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | .... | 22:26 |
| fishbulb | what are these phones worth | 22:26 |
| fishbulb | I've seen them going for 200 dollars | 22:27 |
| fishbulb | on ebay | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | you know what, either learn some linux or just switch to android/windows mobile | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | their value lies in being linux phone | 22:27 |
| fishbulb | yes | 22:27 |
| fishbulb | I am running opensuse | 22:28 |
| fishbulb | it doesn't like .deb packages | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | you can unpack deb package: ar x package.deb | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | or: dpkg --unpack package.deb | 22:30 |
| fishbulb | you said >3.5 | 22:30 |
| fishbulb | it's 3.12 | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 22:30 |
| fishbulb | I tried it in windows and it didn't work either | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | its what you need for n9 | 22:31 |
| fishbulb | I converted the .deb into .rpm and installed it | 22:31 |
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| fishbulb | I have flasher 3.12.1 | 22:31 |
| fishbulb | it won't find the phone, when it does it won't connect to it | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | start flasher with params, then take off battery, connect usb cable, put battery back in | 22:32 |
| fishbulb | n9 | 22:33 |
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| KotCzarny | at least thats the way n900 works, i dont have personal experience with n9 | 22:34 |
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| fishbulb | this alien conversion to rpm I think might not have worked | 22:47 |
| fishbulb | the phone should be detected and come up just fine | 22:48 |
| fishbulb | all the partitions don't mount or something | 22:48 |
| fishbulb | there's all kinds of aegis shit through this phone | 22:49 |
| Sicelo | i still think what i said applies.. | 22:49 |
| fishbulb | what did you say? | 22:49 |
| Sicelo | either you have bad cable, bad N9 usb port, bad computer port | 22:50 |
| Sicelo | or, your just making a mistake somewhere | 22:50 |
| fishbulb | none of those things are bad. | 22:50 |
| Sicelo | what makes you so sure they aren't bad? | 22:50 |
| Sicelo | cables are known to be bad even when they "appear" to be good | 22:50 |
| fishbulb | I just used the same cable and port to connect a couple of n900's | 22:50 |
| fishbulb | I go by "does this cable work when I use it" not "does it look ok" | 22:50 |
| Sicelo | then prolly the N9 | 22:51 |
| fishbulb | I think the conversion from deb to rpm | 22:51 |
| * Sicelo doubts | 22:51 | |
| Sicelo | why would it run? | 22:51 |
| fishbulb | true. | 22:52 |
| fishbulb | maybe it will run but not connect to anything | 22:52 |
| fishbulb | I don't know | 22:52 |
| Sicelo | did you look for the flash process specific to N9? | 22:52 |
| fishbulb | of course | 22:52 |
| Sicelo | what method is suggested? | 22:53 |
| ceene | the deb->rpm conversion can't be at fault here; the flasher is most probably just an executable without libraries, so no path mismatch, and even if it needs some libraries they would be installed in the right place. Otherwise, as Siceo suggests, it wouldn't even run at all | 22:54 |
| Sicelo | if this N9 was mine, i'd flash it ... | 22:54 |
| fishbulb | USB device found at bus 002, device address 005. Device identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy | 22:55 |
| fishbulb | device or resource busy | 22:55 |
| ceene | is the phone on? | 22:56 |
| fishbulb | which resource? | 22:56 |
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| fishbulb | it says usb device found at bus 002, device address 005, device identifier blahblahblha | 22:56 |
| fishbulb | then errror claiming usb interface | 22:56 |
| ceene | is the phone powered on or is it off? | 22:56 |
| fishbulb | it's off when I plug it in | 22:57 |
| Sicelo | are you running the flasher before plug in? | 22:57 |
| fishbulb | of course | 22:58 |
| fishbulb | the instructions said to do that | 22:58 |
| fishbulb | then it returns this | 22:58 |
| fishbulb | USB device found at bus 002, device address 005. Device identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy | 22:58 |
| fishbulb | and repeats "device or resource busy" 10+ times | 22:58 |
| ceene | is there any other process trying to access the n9? | 22:59 |
| fishbulb | no | 22:59 |
| ceene | by mounting its partitions or whatever | 22:59 |
| Sicelo | you may need to look in lsmod .. perhaps for modules such as g_ether .. g_nokia | 22:59 |
| fishbulb | the partitions won't mount | 23:00 |
| Sicelo | they shouldn't mount | 23:00 |
| fishbulb | it's a very modified n9 and I want to flash it back to factory | 23:00 |
| fishbulb | it said something about not being able to downgrade the firmware, maybe this is the problem | 23:01 |
| Sicelo | ah | 23:01 |
| Sicelo | but that's explained in the forum post, heh | 23:01 |
| Sicelo | and a solution presented | 23:01 |
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| fishbulb | how do I find out what's installed on this thing | 23:03 |
| fishbulb | it might not be the same as the product code | 23:03 |
| Sicelo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 seems to be all you need | 23:04 |
| Sicelo | flasher -i should answer your previous question | 23:04 |
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| fishbulb | Waiting for ASIC id... Got 69 bytes. ASIC ID: 05 01 05 01 36 30 07 07 13 02 01 00 12 15 01 11 e4 ff 29 41 ff 64 c9 46 63 28 2a f1 a2 02 0a 2e d0 e4 ad 14 15 01 12 dd 2f 66 d4 55 fe 19 2c 62 b9 b8 e2 65 0a fc 1d 9f 3f 90 15 09 01 13 bf 3e ef 15 52 e7 03 HW variant: HS Found matching 1st (916) Sending 1st image (26496 bytes)... done. Sending HWID query... Received 11 bytes from 1st usb_bulk_read: Input/output error Got HWID: | 23:10 |
| fishbulb | well | 23:10 |
| fishbulb | http://pastebin.com/AbG81e2h | 23:13 |
| fishbulb | why why why | 23:16 |
| fishbulb | am I missing a dependency | 23:17 |
| fishbulb | libusb-compat | 23:17 |
| fishbulb | it should have installed | 23:18 |
| fishbulb | it wouldn't even run if there was something wrong | 23:18 |
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| Sicelo | so you've flashed now? | 23:53 |
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