IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2015-09-13

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Sicelodoes anyone know what map source the location widget uses? it seems a bit different from ovi maps.00:04
Sicelolocation-test-gui has same display as location test00:05
Sicelo*widget reather00:06
Sicelohmm, seems to be :-O00:13
Sicelolocation widget opens connection to, and location-test-gui uses loc.desktop.maps.svc.ovi.com00:17
Sicelosome wireshark blues00:22
Sicelowireshark -i wlan0 -k -f host
Sicelowireshark: You can't specify both a live capture and a capture file to be read00:23
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Sicelough! location-test-gui is also non-free00:35
ceenethat's murphy for you00:50
Siceloi just noticed both location-test-gui & location widget  get the very latest maps off if only ovi maps also used the same urls00:55
ceeneis it known which urls ovi maps use?00:56
Sicelowireshark :p00:56
ceeneit's somewhere in closed source you mean00:56
Siceloyes. hardcoded clearly00:57
Siceloanyway, window's ovi suite still does get maps onto n900 .. although not very up-to-date, but useable00:58
ceenenokia has sold here maps too00:59
Siceloyes. i saw. nokia will be completely erased off the planet00:59
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MaxdamantusXorg/XKB comes with a decent compose map, but the Maemo libraries do something strange to intercept the compose key and produce the dialogue you normally see (or maybe something else using a different IME or something, haven't really experimented with those)02:20
Maxdamantusif you run a program that's not linked against the Hildon stuff, you can just use fn+sym then type something like 'a to get á.02:21
* Maxdamantus wants to figure out how to stop the Hildon behaviour.02:22
MaxdamantusAlso thought of something that might help me solve another issue I have, with osso-xterm.02:25
MaxdamantusCould use that X11 wrapper thing to try figuring out what key combination causes it to close randomly.02:26
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bencohMaxdamantus: you can also change the compose key (via xkb)09:48
Maxdamantusbencoh: there's nothing wrong with the compose key.09:51
Maxdamantusbencoh: the problem is the way Hildon applications respond to it.09:51
bencohI know :)09:52
MaxdamantusIt opens a the "Sym" dialogue when you press the key instead of inputting the compositions that should follow.09:52
bencohI think hildon maps the Multi_key09:54
bencohnot the compose modifier09:55
MaxdamantusMulti_key is compose.09:55
Maxdamantuscompose isn't a modifier.09:55
MaxdamantusMulti_key is usually fn+sym in Maemo.09:56
MaxdamantusXorg itself generates the actual composition results.09:56
Maxdamantusbut the Hildon applications ignore them.09:57
bencohnot exactly09:57
bencohcompose is an xkb option09:57
bencohMulti_key is a xkb keysym mapping09:57
MaxdamantusWhatever the source is, they're sent over the X11 connection.09:57
MaxdamantusIt's not up to the applications to read the composition map and deal with it specially.09:58
bencohso you should be able to set the compose option to some other key/keysym09:58
KotCzarnyhwclock --utc --systohc09:59
KotCzarnyhwclock: unrecognized option `--utc'09:59
KotCzarnyUsage: hwclock [-r|--show] [-s|--hctosys] [-w|--systohc] [-l|--localtime] [-u|--utc] [-f FILE]09:59
KotCzarnyis busybox drunk?09:59
bencohhigh on heavy fuel10:00
MaxdamantusIt'll do UTC by default.10:00
* Maxdamantus just uses `hwclock -w`10:00
KotCzarnystill, not accepting option then suggesting it on the next line isnt consistent10:00
KotCzarnyunless someone castrated long opts but didnt update help10:01
Maxdamantusbencoh: I don't think you can fix it by creating a new xkb identifier alongside Multi_key, if that's what you're saying.10:02
Maxdamantusbencoh: I think the Hildon input system just drops the key events generated by the composition mechanism.10:02
Maxdamantusand those events shouldn't have anything to do with what it's called in XKB.10:03
MaxdamantusThat's xev output on my desktop when I type `→.` (the first character using the compose key)10:04
MaxdamantusYou can distinguish between the `→` and the `.` events using something like the state property10:05
infobothmm... xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.
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MaxdamantusAhah! I fixed it!11:03
MaxdamantusJust have to remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/hildon-im-module.so11:03
KotCzarnydont forget to post to wiki or tmo11:03
WizzupKotCzarny: maemo busybox is somewhat old11:03
Wizzup'remove'? :P11:04
WizzupSo what does this break?11:04
Maxdamantusand maybe replace hildon-input-method, will see if that interrupts me when I restart that normally.11:04
MaxdamantusIt replaces the weird Hildon IM stuff (eg, the popping up of the symbols dialogue) with normal Xorg behaviour (Multi_key on any typical desktop system)11:05
Maxdamantus"remove" as in make it not exist at that location, so whatever is loading it can't load it anymore.11:05
MaxdamantusAnyone been to Þruðvángr?11:12
* Maxdamantus typed that on his N900, from osso-xterm, without silly dialogues.11:13
bencohMaxdamantus: "fixed" :))11:13
bencohI guess it disabled the vkb as well11:14
MaxdamantusDamn, misspelt, Þrúðvangr*11:14
* Maxdamantus will check.11:14
* Maxdamantus usually has it disabled.11:15
bencohvkb is handy for foreign languages/alphabets11:15
ceenewhat i'd like to know is how to write on easy debian aplications special symbols that usually available on the Fn+Sym menu11:15
MaxdamantusYes, that apparently doesn't work, though I don't use it.11:15
bencohMaxdamantus: I wonder if vanilla scim/xim would work properly in gtk apps with HIM removed11:16
* Maxdamantus will try.11:17
bencohthat'd be cool11:17
MaxdamantusI tried scim once.11:17
bencohI have both (vanilla) scim and hildon-scim here11:17
bencoh(use it once in a while for japanese input)11:17
bencohunfortunately the gtk scim agent needs some patching to fix some battery leak11:18
MaxdamantusBattery leak?11:19
bencohthere is timer that keeps running even in background11:20
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MaxdamantusMm .. just getting BadLength errors on scim in Debian.11:33
MaxdamantusThat seems to happen with a lot of things, I think always in Gdk.11:33
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infobotflasher is, like, at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
fishbulbwhat is the "best" setup for an n900 these days12:48
fishbulbI have 3 and I'm not willing to spend money on any other phone12:48
fishbulbif I need android I use a tablet12:48
KotCzarnydefine 'setup'12:48
KotCzarnywhat is your use case12:49
fishbulbevery day phone with as much added on stuff as possible12:49
infobotmethinks maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh12:49
KotCzarnyfisbulb: flash pr1.3.1 then go cssu (or cssu-thumb if you are feeling adventurous)12:49
fishbulbflash-it-all ?12:49
KotCzarnyjust a name, it grabs images etc12:49
WizzupI can confirm cssu-thumb works just fine12:49
infobotrumour has it, maemo-repos is
infobotcssu is, like,, or (Community Seamless Software Update)12:50
KotCzarnyas for apps, do you listen to music?12:51
Wizzupalways plugging your own thing12:52
WizzupI find the maemo media player quite good12:52
KotCzarnywizzup, omp > maemo media player12:52
Wizzupyes, sure12:52
ceeneas music player i'm using someplayer lately12:53
ceenei think i did a comparison with oscp and someplayer used less cpu12:53
ceenethough not by much probably12:53
fishbulb use cssu12:53
fishbulbI use12:54
fishbulbbasically I want to wipe the phone and restore a fresh os12:54
KotCzarnymaybe i should try building oscp with thumb212:54
fishbulbthen install all the normal trickery like cssu and that boot manager and shit12:54
KotCzarnyfishbulb, then ~flashing ~cssu ~maemo-repos12:54
ceenecan you run non thumb apps on a thumb system?12:55
fishbulbwhat's thumb12:56
fishbulbdo you guys use these as your every day phone?12:56
KotCzarnyalso thumb apps on nonthumb system (but you need kp12:56
KotCzarnyfishbulb: yes, since 200912:56
ceeneso should i reflash to thum then, is it the recommended thing now?12:56
KotCzarnyceene, thumb is experimental still12:56
fishbulbheh, I couldn't afford it in 200912:56
KotCzarnystable mostly, but bugs can be quietly present12:57
fishbulbI've been running 3 for about 5 years12:57
ceenedo you use 3 n900 at the same time?12:57
fishbulbI have an n9 which is interesting because it has more power but nothing can beat this brick12:58
fishbulbin terms of keyboard and some of the hardware other phones don't have12:58
KotCzarnyand software12:59
fishbulbpython, clojure13:05
fishbulbcommand line stuff13:05
fishbulbwhich software do you mean?13:06
KotCzarnyall of them13:06
KotCzarnybasically linux13:06
fishbulbyou can run bash on a rooted android device13:06
KotCzarnyi wrote few apps for myself13:06
fishbulbwhat do they do?13:06
KotCzarnyaudio player, audio visualizer/pixel engine, image viewer, http/ftp proxy13:07
fishbulbno shit13:07
fishbulbdo you have any video of the visualiser running?13:07
KotCzarnyone user made few (but its only a little bit what it does)13:08
KotCzarnymostly 2d pixel stuff, no 3d13:08
fishbulbwhere can I see it?13:08
KotCzarnysearching, moment13:08
fishbulbI'm running opensuse, how do I install these .deb files13:09
fishbulbfor flashing etc13:09
KotCzarnyum, just grab that flash-it-all13:09
KotCzarnyit has tools/links to auto get firmware etc13:10
ceeneand of course there's yappari, which more often than not gets people banned, even the coder himself ;)13:10
infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh13:10
fishbulbI use yappari on this13:10
fishbulbyappari keeps getting updates every time I look for any13:11
fishbulbit's basically the only app that ever gets regularly updated13:11
ceeneoh, i know, i'm the guy who releases them13:11
ceenebut don't get too used to that...13:12
ceenedunno, maybe I manage to implement textsecure13:12
ceenethe problem is that it's a never ending race13:13
KotCzarnyfishbulb: if you want to check you can grab osc and osc-pix packages13:13
fishbulbso people in here keep the repos etc maintained?13:13
KotCzarnyits still in unfinished form there and little manual13:13
KotCzarnyi think pressing h should show some help and starting with -h should print some more help13:14
ceeneeach coder is in charge of its own packages on the repos13:14
fishbulbI want to flash this phone back to stock then cssu, then kernel power and whatever else is necessary13:14
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fishbulbI have one n900 that I haven't re-soldered a usb connector onto13:15
fishbulbit got pulled out by someone else13:15
KotCzarnyi recently bought 3 more n900s13:20
KotCzarnyfor 15, 25 and ~50usd13:21
KotCzarnythe cheapest one has broken modem chip but otherwise works 100%13:21
fishbulbhow do you break a modem chip13:21
KotCzarnyor high/cold changes13:22
KotCzarnyit unsolders itself13:22
KotCzarnyfreaking rohs13:22
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KotCzarnyhmm, is there any way to configure preffered maemo apps without editing configs manually?13:28
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fishbulblike doing extended packet injection and shit?13:31
fishbulbI've got into a total of about 5 wireless networks with this dodo of a phone13:31
fishbulbthat I remember13:31
fishbulbit's not great for doing that13:32
KotCzarnyyou shouldnt break into private networks13:33
fishbulbit was friends places13:35
fishbulbit was still slow as hell13:35
fishbulbI think that's probably one way of overheating the wireless chipset13:35
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SiceloMaxdamantus: i wonder if instead of removing the module you could perhaps disable (unset) the corresponding key in gconf14:09
MaxdamantusIt looks like you'd remove it from /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules14:23
MaxdamantusActually, no. That's apparently generated by scanning the directory.14:24
MaxdamantusHm, dunno.14:24
Sicelothere's a gconf key .. let me find its path14:25
Siceloah .. i'm wrong .. that path is for something else, still relatted to HIM though14:26
MaxdamantusYeah, I've looked at that before and couldn't think of what might be useful to do there.14:27
MaxdamantusThere should really be a way of making it not load the module in the first place.14:27
MaxdamantusRather than loading the module so that it can read some configuration somewhere saying that it shouldn't do anything.14:28
Siceloso after removing the module, how did you get maemo to put in the special characters?14:28
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MaxdamantusI just used the normal compose mechanism.14:29
Maxdamantusfn+sym is usually mapped to Multi_key, which usually lets you type special characters by writing sequences of typable characters after it.14:30
Sicelosay i want to input U+0104 . how you do that now?14:31
Maxdamantusbut the Hildon IM thing makes the application respond in a special way to Multi_key, so it overrides the standard Xorg/X11 behaviour.14:31
Maxdamantusfn+sym, 'A', ','14:31
Siceloah. i get you14:32
* Maxdamantus is already using a layout where he can type all printable ASCII characters.14:34
Maxdamantus(only double-modifier one is `)14:34
Maxdamantus(it also happens to be a Dvorak-based layout)14:35
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Sicelobtw, in Easy-Deb, the Shift-Ctrl-U method works :)15:33
MaxdamantusYes, that works here too.15:34
Sicelo"here" meaning?15:35
Maxdamantusin Maemo.15:35
Sicelowow! after removal of the module?15:35
MaxdamantusI guess so.15:35
MaxdamantusI haven't tried it with the module.15:35
Sicelowell, gotta say thanks then :)15:36
Sicelofinally an answer to my question15:36
MaxdamantusIt's kind of tedious pressing those keys though.15:36
Siceloyes :p15:36
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Siceloactually i don't even need any of this .. but i could imagine the pain users go through who need lots of them. i know one could always reconfigure the hwkb or vkb15:37
Sicelobut .. sometimes you could just need it once-off15:38
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freemangordonSicelo: (re If I was to explain somebody how to pass through the app review, I'd rather would do it myself. What needs to be done is - someone has to read the review documentation and execyte the needed staps15:44
freemangordonone doesn't need to be dev to do it15:45
Sicelook. let me go through it15:45
freemangordonSicelo: you can create your own app on facebook, to get used to the review UI15:46
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: is there anything special to do to compile for thumb2? or just some gcc flags?15:46
freemangordonKotCzarny: just gcc flags15:47
* Maxdamantus will probably end up writing some input-related things as part of an xmonad configuration.15:47
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: got them somewhere handy?15:47
freemangordon-mthumb :P15:47
* Maxdamantus sleeps.15:47
KotCzarnythat simple/ :P15:47
freemangordonKotCzarny: keep in mind - if there are assembly optimizations, you may need to fix them to be thumb2 compatible15:48
freemangordonSicelo: the biggest problem (as I see it) with n900 FB app, is that it doesn't fall into any of the platforms supported by FB15:53
KotCzarnyyou mean asm inlines or something else?15:53
freemangordonand you cannot send for review without choosing platform :D15:53
freemangordonKotCzarny: asm inlines?15:54
KotCzarnyassembler inline code15:54
freemangordonsome instructions are not available in thumb2 mode15:54
KotCzarnybut for regular c/c++ code i shouldnt worry?15:54
freemangordonsome behave diferently15:54
freemangordonno, regular c/++ is ok15:55
KotCzarnyi have to disable asm in libav to compile it anyway15:55
freemangordonwait, why?15:55
Siceloeek! that sucks15:55
KotCzarnybecause it was failing with gcc 4.215:55
freemangordonKotCzarny: I guess it will be ok with 4.7.215:55
KotCzarnyyes, but not in thumb i guess, still, gotta check tomorrow15:56
freemangordonSicelo: yeah. I choose "web site" as a platform15:56
KotCzarnyany other optimization flags applicable for thumb?15:56
freemangordonKotCzarny: see, this is just an instruction set. usual stuff apply15:57
freemangordonKotCzarny: better use -O215:57
freemangordonseems like this is the best for n90015:57
KotCzarnywill try both, O2 and O3 and do some tests15:57
freemangordonah, and also enable the neon stuff if any15:57
freemangordon-mfpu=neon, iirc15:57
KotCzarnyk, thx again15:58
Sicelofreemangordon: by the way, we are talking here about the sharing plugin? or were people referring to something else?16:00
freemangordonyes, sharing plugin16:00
freemangordonthere might be people referring to something else, but I am not amongst them :)16:01
freemangordonI am not really interested in FB widget16:01
Sicelowhat did the widget do?16:03
freemangordonwas showing... hmm... how is it called? well, the "news" on your FB page. new posts, etc.16:06
freemangordonthe stuff you see when you open FB in the browser16:06
freemangordonand it launches microb when you click on it16:07
KotCzarnyor default registered html app16:07
Sicelohaha, so even if it worked, you'd have problems as we don't appear to have a browser that can handle properly nowadays16:08
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freemangordonSicelo: yep16:11
freemangordonwell, works fine in microb16:11 works almosT fine :)16:12
Siceloyeah, although i doubt the widget could have been hacked for that, or would it?16:12
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fishbulbmicrob can handle facebook?16:54
fishbulbI gave up ages ago16:55
fishbulbwhen flash got outdated16:55
fishbulbbetter than nothing16:55
fishbulbI'm trying to flash an n916:55
fishbulbwell, zero it, then flash it, I can't get all the required images in linux16:56
fishbulbyou need to run some windows software to download them for some reason16:56
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Sicelocheck with other n9 guys. i'm sure ther are mirrors16:57
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fishbulbcan someone provide me with the linux flasher tool for the n9?17:20
fishbulb64bit rpm17:20
fishbulbthe flasher 3.5 doesn't work with the n917:22
fishbulband that's the only one I have for the n90017:22
infobotsomebody said maemo-flashing was, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh17:28
infobotThe webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at and
infobotfrom memory, repos is "deb ./ ;; deb ./", or see
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, tabletsdev is , (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site, or
freemangordonor rather:
freemangordonhmm, doesn't work17:30 doesn't work no17:31
freemangordonfishbulb: that one seems to work
fishbulbthat's a .deb17:31
fishbulbI'm running opensuse17:31
fishbulbwill that install?17:32
freemangordonwell, just extract the binary17:32
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freemangordonalso, I bet there is alien for rpm based distros17:32
infobotConverts between the rpm, dpkg, stampede slp, andslackware tgz file formats. URL:
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fishbulbI don't know exactly what I'm doing17:34
fishbulbthis is a redhat derivative17:35
fishbulbI have no idea how to install .deb files17:35
freemangordonfishbulb: "yum install alien"?17:35
freemangordonfishbulb: then use alien to convert the .deb to .rpm17:36
fishbulbwait I have to restart the plugin container17:36
fishbulbah crap not before downloading the .bin files17:37
fishbulbI'll be back in 10 minutes17:38
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fishbulbrice cooker, activate!17:43
fishbulbis there a source I can build from?17:46
fishbulbopensuse is fucking weird17:47
kerioi'm pretty sure nokia's flasher is proprietary17:47
infobotwell, 0xffff is, or
keriothat one's free17:47
keriobut it can't reflash the eMMC17:47
fishbulbI need to do both17:47
keriothen again, you don't really want to17:47
keriofishbulb: you think you do17:47
freemangordonkerio: also, I am not sure it supports n917:47
keriooh this is the n9? nvm17:48
keriobuy a n900 :>17:48
freemangordonyeah, sane advice17:48
fishbulbI have 3 of them17:48
freemangordonuse them ffs17:48
fishbulbI am getting this n9 running to give to my father17:48
freemangordonbut why? give him n900 instead17:48
fishbulbhe won't be able to use it17:48
freemangordonyeah, sure17:49
keriothe n900 is kinda shitty to use as a phone tbh17:49
keriobut then again i never used a n917:49
fishbulbthe n9 is much easier17:49
freemangordonyou don;t say17:49
fishbulbhe can just push the buttons17:49
fishbulbno keyboard17:49
keriobuy him a 50€ nokia17:49
keriothey still make them17:49
freemangordonfishbulb: I have 2 n950 devices in the drawer collecting dust17:49
keriomy dad recently bought one17:49
kerioliterally 31 days in standby17:50
fishbulbthis n9 is good enough to use17:50
freemangordonfishbulb: also, afaik, there is more SW still working on n900 than on n917:50
fishbulbthat's why I still use an n90017:51
fishbulbhe can still make calls and probably listen to 50gb worth of music17:51
fishbulbor however much storage this 64gb model has17:51
freemangordonno fmtx ;)17:52
fishbulbit's a nice solid phone with a touch screen17:52
fishbulbhe doesn't need that17:52
freemangordonaah, well then17:52
fishbulbit's still a nice touchscreen phone17:52
freemangordonbtw, does navigation work offline?17:53
fishbulbno clue, he doesn't need that either17:53
fishbulbI've literally never used this phone, navigation may work offline? I don't know.17:53
freemangordonhmm, so he needs 50euro phone then, as kerio said :P17:53
fishbulbI don't have 50 euros, I do have a 64gb n9 sitting right here17:54
fishbulbhe lives in a forest17:54
fishbulbn9 will do17:55
fishbulbman I can't get this .deb to work17:58
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fishbulbwow that was a phenomanal amount of crap18:02
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fishbulbI had to close the browser18:03
fishbulbcould you paste that info on how to convert the .deb?18:04
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fishbulbok I hope this actually works18:08
infobothmm... flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
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fishbulbthis just doesn't work18:17
fishbulbit says something about the usb device being busy18:17
fishbulbI put it into sdk mode18:17
fishbulbmass storage mode18:17
fishbulbsync and connect18:17
fishbulbnothing works18:17
ceeneit seems there's a guy who has been banned too after creating a group18:18
ceenetht doesn't sound good at all18:18
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Siceloyes ceene. saw it :(18:32
ceenewhatsapp servers are banning us when we try to create a group18:32
ceenei don't understad why18:32
ceenethe method is the same that has been working since ever18:32
ceenei modified it a bit for 2.0.17 so initial participants are listed on the same command as create group18:33
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ceenethat's the only difference i found between yappari and others (yowsu, etc)18:33
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fishbulbdo I put this into sdk mode or mass storage mode18:47
fishbulbor sync and connect18:47
fishbulbnothing is being detected by flasher18:47
robbiethe1stIf it's like the N900, you turn the device off with the USB unplugged18:48
robbiethe1stStart flasher, then plug in USB. The device will then boot into flashing mode18:48
fishbulbthen converting this .deb file to .rpm didn't work maybe?18:48
fishbulbDevice identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy18:50
fishbulbI am getting sick of this shit :/18:51
fishbulbUSB device found at bus 001, device address 046. Device identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy18:51
fishbulbthen 1018:52
fishbulbmore messages of "Error claiming usb interface"18:52
ceeneare you root?18:55
ceeneyou may need to be18:55
fishbulbthis just won't work19:00
fishbulbI converted the .deb file to .rpm19:02
fishbulbmaybe that's the problem19:02
Sicelojust use a live distro then :)19:05
Siceloknoppix for example19:06
fishbulbf that19:06
fishbulbI'll try the windows tool19:06
Sicelolinux is much more reliable for flashing maemo devices than windows is.19:06
Siceloanyway, your choice19:07
fishbulbit won't work19:08
fishbulbI've tried it dozens of times19:08
Sicelowhat won't work? :/19:08
fishbulbthis flasher19:08
fishbulbI converted it to rpm, installed it19:09
fishbulbnow it won't properly detect the phone19:09
fishbulbdo I mount the phone or something?19:09
Sicelook. hope windows will19:09
fishbulbme too19:10
ceenephone shut off19:11
ceeneplug cable, run flasher, start phone19:11
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infoboti guess flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
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fishbulbwhere's the crappy windows one?19:14
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fishbulbit's trying to get me to donate money19:21
fishbulbto use this software19:21
Siceloprolly you downloaded a trojan .. welcome to windows. the nokia one shouldn't do that19:21
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
fishbulbthis is the site19:24
Siceloare you trying to coldflash the N9?19:25
fishbulbthis one doesn't work either19:26
fishbulbthe windows version19:26
Sicelothen you have bad cable, bad N9 usb port, bad pc port, or some such19:27
fishbulbor it wasn't plugged in19:27
Siceloyou only need flasher. don't mess with hardcore software like the navifirm one.19:28
fishbulbstill does nothing19:29
fishbulbhow do I open a command line as administrator19:38
Sicelohmm ... you may need to google proper N9 flashing commands19:38
Siceloto open windows command prompt as administrator type `cmd` in the start orb, then right-click on it .. second or third option is what you need19:39
fishbulbturn on the phone then plug in?19:42
Siceloi think you would have to plug it in while off .. but i don't have N9 .. hence i said you need to google the proper way19:42
Sicelo #maemo isn't exactly the right chan for N9  .. not many of us know how to use it, and a large number of us aren't interested at all19:43
fishbulbI am becoming less and less interested19:43
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Siceloi've got a friend's N9 here at my desk as we speak. i love it's hardware build for sure. but love my two N900 more19:44
fishbulbif I have 3 does that mean I win?19:45
Siceloi wish i knew19:45
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fishbulbfix with hammer19:51
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fishbulbthis goddamn fucking n9 won't flash!21:53
fishbulbI'm going to actually shoot it21:53
fishbulbsorry about the language but this is infuriating21:55
Siceloare you absolutely sure *you* are doing it right?21:55
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KotCzarnyfishbulb, how much do you wanna sell it for? :)22:21
KotCzarnyalso, for n9 you should use flasher >3.522:21
fishbulbless than? I did22:22
fishbulbit said flasher 3.5 doesn't work22:22
fishbulbfrom where?22:23
KotCzarnylets see..22:23
infoboti heard flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
KotCzarny org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz22:23
KotCzarnythis one22:23
fishbulbhow do I use that in opensuse22:24
KotCzarnytar -xzf filename22:24
KotCzarnythen just run binary from subdir22:24
fishbulbnot found22:25
KotCzarnyapparently link changed22:25
fishbulbis there an rpm?22:26
fishbulbwhat are these phones worth22:26
fishbulbI've seen them going for 200 dollars22:27
fishbulbon ebay22:27
KotCzarnyyou know what, either learn some linux or just switch to android/windows mobile22:27
KotCzarnytheir value lies in being linux phone22:27
fishbulbI am running opensuse22:28
fishbulbit doesn't like .deb packages22:29
KotCzarnyyou can unpack deb package: ar x package.deb22:30
KotCzarnyor: dpkg --unpack package.deb22:30
fishbulbyou said >3.522:30
fishbulbit's 3.1222:30
fishbulbI tried it in windows and it didn't work either22:30
KotCzarnyits what you need for n922:31
fishbulbI converted the .deb into .rpm and installed it22:31
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fishbulbI have flasher 3.12.122:31
fishbulbit won't find the phone, when it does it won't connect to it22:32
KotCzarnystart flasher with params, then take off battery, connect usb cable, put battery back in22:32
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KotCzarnyat least thats the way n900 works, i dont have personal experience with n922:34
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fishbulbthis alien conversion to rpm I think might not have worked22:47
fishbulbthe phone should be detected and come up just fine22:48
fishbulball the partitions don't mount or something22:48
fishbulbthere's all kinds of aegis shit through this phone22:49
Siceloi still think what i said applies..22:49
fishbulbwhat did you say?22:49
Siceloeither you have bad cable, bad N9 usb port, bad computer port22:50
Siceloor, your just making a mistake somewhere22:50
fishbulbnone of those things are bad.22:50
Sicelowhat makes you so sure they aren't bad?22:50
Sicelocables are known to be bad even when they "appear" to be good22:50
fishbulbI just used the same cable and port to connect a couple of n900's22:50
fishbulbI go by "does this cable work when I use it" not "does it look ok"22:50
Sicelothen prolly the N922:51
fishbulbI think the conversion from deb to rpm22:51
* Sicelo doubts22:51
Sicelowhy would it run?22:51
fishbulbmaybe it will run but not connect to anything22:52
fishbulbI don't know22:52
Sicelodid you look for the flash process specific to N9?22:52
fishbulbof course22:52
Sicelowhat method is suggested?22:53
ceenethe deb->rpm conversion can't be at fault here; the flasher is most probably just an executable without libraries, so no path mismatch, and even if it needs some libraries they would be installed in the right place. Otherwise, as Siceo suggests, it wouldn't even run at all22:54
Siceloif this N9 was mine, i'd flash it ...22:54
fishbulbUSB device found at bus 002, device address 005. Device identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy22:55
fishbulbdevice or resource busy22:55
ceeneis the phone on?22:56
fishbulbwhich resource?22:56
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fishbulbit says usb device found at bus 002, device address 005, device identifier blahblahblha22:56
fishbulbthen errror claiming usb interface22:56
ceeneis the phone powered on or is it off?22:56
fishbulbit's off when I plug it in22:57
Siceloare you running the flasher before plug in?22:57
fishbulbof course22:58
fishbulbthe instructions said to do that22:58
fishbulbthen it returns this22:58
fishbulbUSB device found at bus 002, device address 005. Device identifier: 357923040705651 (SN: N/A) Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy22:58
fishbulband repeats "device or resource busy" 10+ times22:58
ceeneis there any other process trying to access the n9?22:59
ceeneby mounting its partitions or whatever22:59
Siceloyou may need to look in lsmod .. perhaps for modules such as g_ether .. g_nokia22:59
fishbulbthe partitions won't mount23:00
Sicelothey shouldn't mount23:00
fishbulbit's a very modified n9 and I want to flash it back to factory23:00
fishbulbit said something about not being able to downgrade the firmware, maybe this is the problem23:01
Sicelobut that's explained in the forum post, heh23:01
Siceloand a solution presented23:01
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fishbulbhow do I find out what's installed on this thing23:03
fishbulbit might not be the same as the product code23:03
Sicelo seems to be all you need23:04
Siceloflasher -i should answer your previous question23:04
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fishbulbWaiting for ASIC id... Got 69 bytes. ASIC ID: 05 01 05 01 36 30 07 07  13 02 01 00 12 15 01 11  e4 ff 29 41 ff 64 c9 46  63 28 2a f1 a2 02 0a 2e  d0 e4 ad 14 15 01 12 dd  2f 66 d4 55 fe 19 2c 62  b9 b8 e2 65 0a fc 1d 9f  3f 90 15 09 01 13 bf 3e  ef 15 52 e7 03  HW variant: HS Found matching 1st (916) Sending 1st image (26496 bytes)... done. Sending HWID query... Received 11 bytes from 1st usb_bulk_read: Input/output error Got HWID:23:10
fishbulbwhy why why23:16
fishbulbam I missing a dependency23:17
fishbulbit should have installed23:18
fishbulbit wouldn't even run if there was something wrong23:18
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Siceloso you've flashed now?23:53

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