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| Sailor6044 | Hello! | 00:31 |
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| KotCzarny | not a talkative one, that was | 00:36 |
| Sicelo | hey KotCzarny | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | hello | 00:50 |
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| ceene | Sicelo: cool, tell me how it goes when you can | 00:57 |
| ceene | i was also banned once but reregistered a few months later and the ban had been removed | 00:57 |
| ceene | it seems automatic | 00:57 |
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| Sicelo | yes. this is 2nd time it happens to me. so far so good with Yappari :) | 00:59 |
| Sicelo | i am apprehensive about trying a group though, but regular chat seems good till now | 01:00 |
| ceene | i understand | 01:00 |
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| Maxdamantus | Yeah, this non-genuine battery seems to have something like 730 mAh | 02:26 |
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| APic | *grin* | 02:48 |
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| Maxdamantus | Actually, that figure might be wrong, depending on how the bq272 thing works. | 03:15 |
| Maxdamantus | If it says it's charged, is it actually charged? | 03:18 |
| * Maxdamantus suspects so, since it's meant to determine capacity from that state. | 03:19 | |
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| Maxdamantus | Okay, after charging one battery and swapping that with an almost-empty one (no reboot) and letting it discharge for a minute, it indicates that it's still charging (but says 100%) a few minutes after plugging it back in. | 05:23 |
| Maxdamantus | so the (binary) charged status is probably accurate. | 05:24 |
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| * Maxdamantus wonders what'll happen when he does it the other way round. | 05:57 | |
| * Maxdamantus suspects it'll jump to 100% at some point. | 05:58 | |
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| Maxdamantus | Indeed, just jumped from 76% to 100%. | 06:40 |
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| KotCzarny | heh | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | im addicted | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | just got another n900 | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | for 15$ | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | a bit beaten but seems working | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 09:35 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | ~combined | 09:35 |
| infobot | rumour has it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | ~flasher | 09:37 |
| infobot | i guess flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 09:37 |
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| * Maxdamantus will probably buy a second one when/if one appears on his country's local site for that sort of thing. | 10:14 | |
| Maxdamantus | it looks like one might appear every month or two, but I haven't been actively looking. | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | maxd: i'm getting ones just from such site | 10:22 |
| Maxdamantus | I just added an email alert thing for them earlier today. | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:23 |
| Maxdamantus | the expired listings showed one sold in apparently fairly good condition about a month ago. | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | somehow in poland there are more n900s for sale than on ebay | 10:24 |
| Maxdamantus | I also happen to have saved the webpage for the previous sale of that device. | 10:25 |
| Maxdamantus | in December or January .. so the guy who bought it there was the one that sold it a month ago. | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:25 |
| Maxdamantus | but in December and January I was unemployed, so .. | 10:26 |
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| KotCzarny | put some cash in a sealed envelope just for such occasion? | 10:27 |
| Maxdamantus | which one? unemployment, or N900 availability? | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | now that you mentioned, both | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | two envelopes then | 10:29 |
| Maxdamantus | Well, I don't think I usually spend a lot anyway, so leaving it in the bank would be about as effective. | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | wow, john decoded pass in less than 0.1s | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | modem seems to be f*cked up. still, for a 15usd it will make great dev device | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | also, this one also has 'device on' notification enabled | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | wonder if its default? | 10:44 |
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| ceene | i don't think that's the default | 11:24 |
| ceene | let's see what people talk about on the yapari thread today... | 11:24 |
| ceene | how many more banned people are there going to be? | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | it was on on 2 devices, so might be, gonna flash it and i'll check the checbox | 11:25 |
| ceene | at least i don't have to pay one cent to each banned person... | 11:25 |
| ceene | that's strange, but it may be | 11:25 |
| ceene | i don't want a permanentely on light | 11:25 |
| ceene | but to each its own | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | its not permanent | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | 1/10 of the time | 11:26 |
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| KotCzarny | ~vanilla | 11:26 |
| infobot | methinks vanilla is just plain old up & down & up & down & up & down & up & down & ooooh!, or the finest of the flavors | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | does combined contain vanilla? | 11:27 |
| ceene | i should think so | 11:27 |
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| KotCzarny | n900 in idle without gsm/wifi takes about 5.4mA | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | ale przy odeslaniu od razu nie trzeba | 11:36 |
| Sicelo | that's about right .. i think i did get a bit lower though | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | how low? | 11:37 |
| Sicelo | i've seen 4 a couple of times | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | Erasing CMT: 98%CMT flashing failed | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | sorry, flashing RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (NOLO, rootfs, modem-fw) failed with errorcode 0 | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 11:45 |
| ceene | ups | 11:46 |
| ceene | just try again | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | will do, gotta run now | 11:47 |
| Maxdamantus | Damn it. Can't get my USB hub to work again after trying to remove the LED :( | 12:10 |
| * Maxdamantus should've stayed with the put-lots-of-tape-over-it method. | 12:10 | |
| * Maxdamantus wonders why someone would put such a bright LED on a USB device anyway. | 12:12 | |
| Maxdamantus | unless it were a USB torch. | 12:12 |
| ceene | lol | 12:13 |
| Humpelstilzchen | maybe the led was cheaper? | 12:13 |
| * Maxdamantus just made a longer cable for it too | 12:14 | |
| Maxdamantus | Will have to go back to using the USB ports on the ethernet cable going into my case. | 12:15 |
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| ceene | does anybody know about QSharedPointer? | 12:36 |
| ceene | QT5's QSharedPointer has a method named reset(), which QT4 has not | 12:36 |
| ceene | I don't know if I can replace that with something that would make the same | 12:36 |
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| ender| | Maxdamantus: next time put the tape on the inside | 13:04 |
| Maxdamantus | I did put the tape on the outside. | 13:06 |
| Maxdamantus | I just wanted a better solution. | 13:06 |
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| Maxdamantus | I had to use about eight layers of electrical tape before it became sufficiently dim. | 13:06 |
| Maxdamantus | oh, on the inside. | 13:07 |
| ender| | or mount the hub on the underside of your desk (if you don't need to move it around): https://eternallybored.org/imgs/comp/usb3.jpg | 13:07 |
| Maxdamantus | That probably wouldn't work. The LED was sticking through a hole. | 13:07 |
| ender| | :p | 13:07 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect I should've just bent the LED off. | 13:07 |
| Maxdamantus | I probably overheated something by soldering it off. | 13:08 |
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| ceene | okay | 13:19 |
| ceene | so | 13:19 |
| ceene | I think I've been able to compile libaxolotl to run on maemo | 13:20 |
| ceene | I'm confindent on everything except in one change | 13:20 |
| Sicelo | wonky name for a library. what does it do? | 13:23 |
| ceene | it implements textsecure :) | 13:24 |
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| * Maxdamantus has now bought a Polarcell battery. | 13:28 | |
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| * Maxdamantus didn't realise it'd probably have free international shipping. | 13:29 | |
| ceene | to be honest | 13:29 |
| ceene | maybe the best thing we could do with yappari | 13:29 |
| ceene | is to port it to use yowsup | 13:29 |
| ceene | it's very well maintained, already supports textsecure | 13:29 |
| Maxdamantus | Does Debian not distribute a whatsapp client? | 13:30 |
| Maxdamantus | if it did, presumably you could just use that. | 13:30 |
| ceene | debian distributes yowsup itself | 13:31 |
| Maxdamantus | Ah. | 13:31 |
| ceene | but it's only a python library with a simple CLI | 13:31 |
| Sicelo | debian does yowsup? | 13:31 |
| * Sicelo checks | 13:31 | |
| Maxdamantus | I'd just run that then, probably in a chroot. | 13:31 |
| Maxdamantus | though I've never used whatsapp. | 13:31 |
| ceene | as a last resort it's useful | 13:31 |
| ceene | but it's pretty arcane | 13:32 |
| Wizzup | yappari does a lot of nice things, like media, audio, etc | 13:32 |
| ceene | that's right | 13:32 |
| Maxdamantus | Apparently I have a voicemale from it. | 13:32 |
| ceene | people like to share lots of photos and videos and all that | 13:32 |
| Maxdamantus | 8960 N + Sep 12 WhatsAppService New voicemessage: 9:57AM | 13:32 |
| ceene | since there are qt bindings for python | 13:32 |
| ceene | maybe it's possible to implement a brand new gui for yowsup | 13:33 |
| ceene | but that's a lot of work | 13:33 |
| ceene | i don't know if i'm willing to do that | 13:33 |
| ceene | Yapasup! | 13:33 |
| ceene | there's no need to rewrite the UI itself, as it is pretty much contained on .ui files | 13:34 |
| Vajb | did you sneeze? | 13:34 |
| ceene | dunno, that's the name of the nonexistant maemo GUI for yowsup :P | 13:34 |
| ceene | Yapasup! | 13:34 |
| ceene | lol | 13:34 |
| Vajb | :D | 13:34 |
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| Maxdamantus | Heh, the order confirmation is all in German. | 13:48 |
| * Maxdamantus hopes they really did intend to indicate that the free shipping option was international. | 13:49 | |
| kerio | voicemale huh | 13:52 |
| Maxdamantus | I deleted that email. | 13:52 |
| * Maxdamantus has never used whatsapp or registered for an account. | 13:52 | |
| ceene | lucky you | 14:00 |
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| kerio | will the current yappari ban me from whatsapp? | 14:00 |
| kerio | i might decide to reinstall it | 14:00 |
| ceene | if you don't create a new group it's improbable | 14:02 |
| ceene | and if you create a new group we still don't know | 14:02 |
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| ceene | i'm waiting for someone brave enough to try it :) | 14:03 |
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| ceene | Reply: {"status":"fail","reason":"blocked"} | 14:04 |
| ceene | that means i'm banned, doesn't it? | 14:04 |
| ceene | :( | 14:04 |
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| Maxdamantus | Interesting statement on the main yappari post on TMO: “Yappari is event based so if your client is idle then it does absolutely nothing (no threads, no while(1) loops, etc). This is to maximize battery.” | 14:04 |
| ceene | that's true | 14:05 |
| Maxdamantus | event-based systems have a while loop somewhere. | 14:05 |
| ceene | not necessarily | 14:05 |
| ceene | the process may be completely sleeping | 14:06 |
| ceene | and the kernel receive data from the network | 14:06 |
| Maxdamantus | while(epoll(.., next_timer - current_time)) do_event(..) | 14:06 |
| ceene | or a keyboard interrupt | 14:06 |
| ceene | the key there is that it's a non cpu consuming block | 14:06 |
| Maxdamantus | It's sleeping in exactly the same way that a thread waiting on IO is sleeping. | 14:06 |
| Maxdamantus | ie, it's in the "S" state. | 14:06 |
| ceene | i mean, well, there's a while of course | 14:06 |
| Maxdamantus | as opposed to the "R" state. | 14:06 |
| ceene | i guess the wording is not exactly right | 14:06 |
| ceene | that's not my wording anyhow :P | 14:07 |
| Maxdamantus | I do think event-based systems are more efficient, but that's only because scheduling tasks in the kernel is fairly expensive. | 14:08 |
| ceene | if the process is basically not assigned any run time slot | 14:08 |
| Maxdamantus | in Python at least (well, CPython) .. where I think "threads" correspond to LWTs. | 14:08 |
| ceene | that process doesn't use cpu | 14:08 |
| Maxdamantus | Of course, the process isn't in the "R" state. | 14:09 |
| Maxdamantus | (threading in Python (again, possibly CPython) is a bit silly anyway, because of the GIL) | 14:10 |
| ceene | yep | 14:10 |
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| Sicelo | 06:04 < ceene> Reply: {"status":"fail","reason":"blocked"} | 14:20 |
| Sicelo | yes, ban | 14:20 |
| ceene | so do i write them and cry a little? | 14:20 |
| Sicelo | i guess :) | 14:20 |
| Sicelo | i've always just moved to another number :p | 14:21 |
| ceene | and do you write to each of your contacts to tell them that? | 14:24 |
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| Sicelo | yeah. there aren't too many i use whatsapp with. that's why even when i'm totally without ... doesn't give me too much of a problem | 14:26 |
| Sicelo | everyone knows me as the " | 14:27 |
| Sicelo | "new-whatsapp-every-week" guy :D | 14:27 |
| ceene | lol | 14:27 |
| ceene | to be honest i also don't use it with too many people | 14:27 |
| ceene | but last week though, a long lost friend of mine decided to write me through whatsapp | 14:28 |
| ceene | i hadn't known anything of him since 10 years ago | 14:28 |
| Sicelo | wow! | 14:28 |
| ceene | i guess he wouldn't have written me if not that convenient | 14:28 |
| Sicelo | writee to whatsapp for an unban :) | 14:28 |
| ceene | yep, i'm charging an old android phone to fake that i'm using that | 14:30 |
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| ender| | ...so it turns out i couldn't register on talk.maemo.org because the nickname "ender" apparently stands for "spammer" | 15:24 |
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| Sicelo | haha | 15:27 |
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| KotCzarny | so, is: Erasing CMT: 98%CMT flashing failed | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | a sign of bad solder on modem chip? | 18:49 |
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| ceene | it sounds more like bad flash chip | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1432920 | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | this threads gives some hope that it might be just modem chip (rootfs flashed fine) | 18:53 |
| ceene | you can always try booting | 18:53 |
| ceene | if it boots... it was flashed | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | right | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | gotta check | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, booted | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | though cell functions dont work as before | 19:01 |
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| KotCzarny | also, by default 'device on' led notification is off | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | so it must be at least 2 users that chose to enable it manually | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu-t | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu-thumb | 19:08 |
| infobot | i guess cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb | 19:08 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | where is i2cget? | 19:46 |
| Sicelo | repos? | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | which ones? | 19:59 |
| Sicelo | let me check on my deviced | 19:59 |
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| Sicelo | the standard ones :) | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | um | 20:01 |
| Sicelo | i2c-tools is the package name | 20:01 |
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| KotCzarny | thanks | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | i was trying to find i2cget not i2c | 20:01 |
| ceene | well, so my car's battery is dead | 20:15 |
| ceene | just one more thing dead this weekend | 20:15 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 20:15 |
| ceene | i've bricked my car lol | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | luckily its just battery | 20:16 |
| ceene | i think so, it tries to do its thing and the headlights look pretty dim | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | um | 20:17 |
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| KotCzarny | dont try to start it when accu is too low | 20:17 |
| ceene | it's been one month in which it has run for 30 km or so, and the battery is like 5 years old or so | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | you can destroy lead plates inside | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 20:17 |
| ceene | i think my car is indestructible | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | could be too sulfury anyway | 20:17 |
| ceene | it's 22 years old itself | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | mine is 16yo | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | almost an adult ;) | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | got some skin condition tho (rust) | 20:18 |
| ceene | mine is completely bent all over the doors | 20:20 |
| ceene | too many unrepaired hits | 20:20 |
| ceene | otherwise it semms to be fine | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | learning to drive or unsafe road conditions? | 20:20 |
| ceene | no, just an idiot | 20:21 |
| ceene | and the accumulation of 10 years worth of small hits | 20:21 |
| ceene | some while parking | 20:21 |
| ceene | some while i was parked, i still don't know who was | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:22 |
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| Sicelo | what cars are we talking about here? :) | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | honda civic | 20:24 |
| * Sicelo had a 20 year-old one .. then accident, now has a 16 year-old | 20:24 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:24 |
| Sicelo | nice. | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | those old cars can run long times, and its usually user's fault when they can't run no more | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | nowadays cars are made to last only for guarantee period | 20:25 |
| Sicelo | indeed. i like that i don't need to hook up a computer just to tell the car that i've changed brake pads .. wtf! | 20:25 |
| bencoh | :) | 20:25 |
| ceene | mine is a 1993 ford mondeo | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | trunk light goes off 'service required' | 20:26 |
| Sicelo | but you guys in europe have MOT tests, and so on. do these cars still pass those? especially the 1993? | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | what is a mot test? | 20:27 |
| ceene | sure it does | 20:27 |
| Sicelo | we don't have them this side :) | 20:27 |
| Sicelo | MOT test .. something to do with emissions, etc. | 20:27 |
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| KotCzarny | in poland all cars are required to pass some fitness tests, exhaust norms etc | 20:28 |
| ceene | in spain it's called ITV inspeccion tecnica de vehiculos - technical inspection of vehicles | 20:28 |
| KotCzarny | przeglad okresowy | 20:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:28 |
| bencoh | I think there are taxes in france | 20:28 |
| ceene | it must pass exhaus norms as well and minimal security tests | 20:28 |
| ceene | lights, seatbelts, brakes, etc | 20:28 |
| Sicelo | mechanical fitness and safety is also tested here, but not exhaust stuff | 20:28 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, breaks, suspension | 20:28 |
| bencoh | (unless they didnt pass the law, but iirc they did) | 20:29 |
| ceene | i think it's more or less the same everywhere? | 20:29 |
| ceene | at least in europe | 20:29 |
| ceene | for cars the age of mine it's required yearly | 20:30 |
| KotCzarny | same here | 20:30 |
| ceene | if it's new the first ITV is after 5 years | 20:30 |
| Sicelo | in south africa it is only needed when ownership changes. in swaziland doesn't exist at all. no tests :p | 20:30 |
| ceene | then after 2 years until it's 10yo | 20:30 |
| KotCzarny | but new cars are obliged for vendor tests | 20:30 |
| KotCzarny | which results in quite the same | 20:30 |
| ceene | well, xfiles time! :P | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | investigating car issue? :P | 20:33 |
| ceene | i must watch all the series before january, when they broadcast the new series! | 20:34 |
| jabis | in Finland a yearly test + you cannot tune up your car if it exceeds a certain amount of (a) parts changed [percentage] (b) excess of power compared to the stock model of most powerful vehicle of it's series, or (c) if it is a low emission engine you're tuning, you must make your vehicle go thru an expensive testing by the finnish government authorized inspection lab, for emissions :D | 20:36 |
| jabis | ie. the same test they require of factories - and you pay even if they decline and get no data what was wrong | 20:37 |
| jabis | (though I know live in Thailand, and my last car was a 1.4 toyota powered by an audi TT supercharged engine, so I'm not affected anymore x) | 20:38 |
| Sicelo | supercharger ;) | 20:39 |
| jabis | megasquirt controlled deathmachine - so turbocharger wouldda been an understatement | 20:40 |
| jabis | :D | 20:40 |
| Sicelo | haha, who died? | 20:40 |
| jabis | clutch, and a piston | 20:41 |
| * Sicelo drives a 1999 Mercedes Benz C230 Kompressor/supercharger | 20:41 | |
| jabis | nah - that's a turbocharger x) | 20:41 |
| Sicelo | i don't "play" so much though, because then it gets thirsty, haha | 20:41 |
| Sicelo | no. kompressor is a supercharger ;) | 20:42 |
| Sicelo | only recently is mercedes doing turbos | 20:42 |
| Sicelo | kompressor is german word for supercharger. don't know what germans call turbocharger | 20:43 |
| jabis | kompressor macht für ein turbocharger, but yankees call their turbos supercharger (usually belt driven) while europeans call them turbos :) | 20:44 |
| jabis | *achts | 20:44 |
| jabis | with an em | 20:44 |
| kerio | fix your encoding | 20:44 |
| kerio | <jabis> kompressor macht f�r ein [...] | 20:44 |
| jabis | utf-8 | 20:44 |
| kerio | nope | 20:44 |
| kerio | well | 20:44 |
| kerio | utf-8 is what you should be using | 20:45 |
| kerio | idk what you sent | 20:45 |
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| Sicelo | um .. jabis .. what did you say? i'm not german haha .. only drive a german car :P | 20:45 |
| Sicelo | kompressor macht für ein turbocharger | 20:45 |
| Sicelo | kerio: umlaut. i saw it fine. problem is likely your side | 20:46 |
| kerio | nope | 20:46 |
| kerio | you saw it fine because your client is handling non-utf8 gracefully | 20:46 |
| jabis | kerio: well it is, as well is my putty, so check your own client encoding :) | 20:46 |
| kerio | jabis: resend it | 20:47 |
| jabis | ü as in ?+u as in uber | 20:47 |
| jabis | (without umlauts the last one) | 20:48 |
| kerio | eyup, non-utf8 | 20:48 |
| jabis | Sicelo: that means that kompressor means by definition a turbocharger | 20:49 |
| Sicelo | of course .. but, tell me the difference between the two :) | 20:49 |
| jabis | kerio: you're the one that has recode issues :> | 20:49 |
| kerio | jabis: you're the one not sending utf8, seriously | 20:49 |
| Sicelo | a turbocharger typically works off the exhaust gases | 20:49 |
| Sicelo | a supercharger is belt-driven, typically. | 20:50 |
| Sicelo | which one was yours? | 20:50 |
| kerio | i thought the point of a turbocharger was to use part of the wasted energy in the exhaust | 20:50 |
| Sicelo | no | 20:51 |
| kerio | wouldn't it be counterproductive if it's still fed by the engine | 20:51 |
| Sicelo | it is to compress the air so more fuel can go in | 20:51 |
| kerio | yea but | 20:51 |
| kerio | hm | 20:51 |
| Sicelo | a turbocharger gets the power from the exhaust gases | 20:51 |
| Sicelo | while a supercharger is turned by the engine | 20:51 |
| jabis | kerio: bullshitsticks http://jabis.coder.fi/utfwhat.png | 20:51 |
| kerio | and it's mostly not related to what your irssi is doing | 20:52 |
| Sicelo | both implementations have their advantages and disadvantages, but both just try to add more air into the combustion chamber | 20:52 |
| Sicelo | WINDOWS 10!! | 20:52 |
| Sicelo | traitor :p | 20:52 |
| kerio | Sicelo: the supercharger reducing the torque and the turbocharger working less reliably? | 20:53 |
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| Sicelo | along those lines kerio, yes :) | 20:53 |
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| jabis | Sicelo: work pc, sorry :P | 20:55 |
| kerio | jabis: try to send an Ḁ (U+1E00 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH RING BELOW) | 20:55 |
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| jabis | here you go A | 20:55 |
| Sicelo | talk about funny characters .. how do i send these from linux? and more importanly, from Maemo? | 20:55 |
| kerio | i see a plain A, not sure about the others | 20:56 |
| Sicelo | my language doesn't use them, so i've never needed to use them | 20:56 |
| Sicelo | also saw plain A | 20:56 |
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| jabis | wait a sec - I'll pic one thru character map from windows | 20:56 |
| kerio | one above 256 | 20:57 |
| kerio | scroll deep down | 20:58 |
| kerio | like idk | 20:58 |
| kerio | supplementary arrows B | 20:58 |
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| kerio | like ⤘ U+2918 RIGHTWARDS TWO-HEADED ARROW WITH TAIL WITH DOUBLE VERTICAL STROKE | 20:58 |
| Sicelo | N900 displays the previous umlaut fine, but not kerio's character right now .. although pc displays it fine | 21:00 |
| jabis | meh - would be so much easier if you have the alt+numpad combo x) | 21:00 |
| kerio | jabis: alt+999 | 21:00 |
| kerio | or something | 21:00 |
| jabis | ? | 21:00 |
| jabis | that's alt+999 | 21:01 |
| kerio | yeah but what should it be? | 21:01 |
| kerio | like, what do you see? | 21:01 |
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| jabis | windows character map doesn't let you filter x) | 21:01 |
| jabis | A this is U+0104 (Latin Capital Letter A with Ogonek) | 21:03 |
| jabis | what do you see | 21:03 |
| kerio | A | 21:03 |
| jabis | what client are you using? | 21:03 |
| kerio | Sicelo? | 21:03 |
| Sicelo | irssi | 21:04 |
| kerio | no, what do you see | 21:04 |
| kerio | ? | 21:04 |
| Sicelo | oh. A .. normal | 21:04 |
| jabis | http://jabis.coder.fi/utfwhat.png | 21:04 |
| Sicelo | let me see on pc | 21:04 |
| jabis | refreshed | 21:04 |
| Sicelo | same on pc | 21:04 |
| kerio | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2015-09-12.log.html this agrees | 21:05 |
| Sicelo | Ą | 21:06 |
| kerio | A with cedilla or whatever | 21:06 |
| kerio | Ą | 21:06 |
| Sicelo | possible to enter this stuff in Maemo? | 21:07 |
| kerio | sure, copypaste it from somewhere else | 21:07 |
| jabis | both look fine here - nice so putty fucks up my encoding then | 21:07 |
| kerio | jabis: IRSSI | 21:08 |
| Sicelo | Ö | 21:08 |
| jabis | kerio: yup running irssi since >10 years on this same server with utf-8 encoding | 21:09 |
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| jabis | äöå bork as well? | 21:09 |
| kerio | and yet your putty is displaying the characters fine | 21:09 |
| kerio | and your irssi is missending characters | 21:09 |
| jabis | yup insists on utf-8 | 21:09 |
| kerio | 3 spurious bytes here | 21:10 |
| Sicelo | check you /set | 21:10 |
| kerio | you're still sending iso 8859 1 or 15 | 21:10 |
| jabis | checked - UTF-8 auto, recode fallbacking 15 | 21:10 |
| Sicelo | so .. those of you who need to live with thse things .. you got to remember codes? :O | 21:10 |
| kerio | i configured my n900's keyboard to have the accented letters that i need | 21:11 |
| jabis | recode out default is UTF-8 | 21:11 |
| kerio | jabis: what about the per-window settings? | 21:11 |
| kerio | Sicelo: and my keyboard layout on the laptop has the letters i need already | 21:12 |
| jabis | no channel specific shit, nor window settings - only thing I need to run putty in windows 7 compat mode | 21:12 |
| iamtheoneiam | ü | 21:13 |
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| jabis | äöå better now? updated irssi and redownloaded putty | 21:17 |
| iamtheoneiam | so we don't have equivalent of linux ctrl+shift+u or window's alt? | 21:17 |
| kerio | jabis: yep | 21:17 |
| kerio | a with dieresis, o with dieresis, a with tiny circle | 21:17 |
| kerio | idk about ctrl+shift+u | 21:18 |
| jabis | wouldda had to do it one by one to see which was culprit - too quick on my fingers x) | 21:18 |
| Sicelo | kerio: that's how i send the cedilla+a before | 21:19 |
| Sicelo | ctrl-shift-u 0104 i think | 21:19 |
| Sicelo | Ą | 21:19 |
| kerio | Sicelo: did you do that on n900? | 21:20 |
| Sicelo | no, pc. debian. | 21:20 |
| Sicelo | would like to know how to do it from N900 | 21:20 |
| Sicelo | ⤘ | 21:20 |
| Sicelo | without remapping keyboard .. once-off | 21:21 |
| Sicelo | ♪ | 21:25 |
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| jabis | ascii art kinda loses meaning when you have the art in ascii x) | 21:26 |
| Sicelo | there isn't much of it in ASCII .. too few charactesr | 21:27 |
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| jabis | still miss the time when I ran a BBS with modem connections - best customers used dual ISDN lines to download ski jump records files and be done with it in a minute x) | 21:31 |
| iamtheoneiam | so looks like remapping is the only way, :( | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | would http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg78455.html mean there's a packet injection function in wl1271 already? | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (kompressor) the german quote doesn't make real sense. Anyway there are several compressor concepts, depending on whether the compressor is driven by exhaust fumes (usually that's called turbo) or by belt from main engine, or even by a dedicated electromotor (the latter two usually called Kompressor) | 22:21 |
| Sicelo | it was more of a marketing term possibly | 22:24 |
| Sicelo | mercedes Kompresssors are belt-driven. they were not using turbos until few years ago. | 22:24 |
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| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: any way on N900/Maemo to enter extended characters without remapping keyboard? | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, use the special keys vkbd? (blue-ctrl) | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not aware of any app to add arbitrary UTF-8 or whatever | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you however easily could c&p from e.g. terminal or from a browser window | 22:34 |
| Sicelo | ok. sucks. | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in xterm you also can define a few soft keys, dunno how far that goes. | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ctrl-shift-u doesn't work on my linux PC either, in this irc client | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither in Konsole | 22:38 |
| Wizzup | set a compose key and define a .XCompose? | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's how it's done. And that's what Sicelo asked to not have to use | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know of another solution | 22:38 |
| Sicelo | http://fsymbols.com/keyboard/linux/unicode/ | 22:39 |
| Sicelo | N900 has that XCompse functionality Wizzup? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fails on my desktop linux. sorry | 22:40 |
| Sicelo | works on mine | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, maybe your distro has stuff configured in that way. that's no reason to assume it's working on every distro like that | 22:41 |
| Wizzup | Sicelo: should be able to set it up? | 22:41 |
| Wizzup | I don't see why it would not be possible | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | irssi, of course | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so that ctrl-shift-u thing is prolly a special feature of the xterm you use | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if it would also work on your console (ctrl-alt-F1) | 22:43 |
| Sicelo | seems to be a debian thing .. even ubuntu appears to have it. even outside terminal. tested in gedit just now | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possible | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but is it X11 or actually a kbd driver thing? | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E does it work in plain console (alt-ctrl-F1) too? | 22:46 |
| Sicelo | nope. didn't work there | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it's most likely already .XCompose as suggested by Wizzup | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my distro has means to assign arbitrary .Xcompose any time, iirc | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somewhere in "Desktop Settings" | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | under "compose key" | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (KDE that is) | 22:48 |
| Sicelo | on further checking .. it's gnome thing | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2015/09/12/plasma-desktopOE1947.png | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, sicelo, feature you want would need either input driver rewrite or app rewrite (which could be easier) | 22:52 |
| Sicelo | on N900, you mean? | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe teaching irssi to rewrite some strings on the fly | 22:52 |
| Wizzup | use setxkbmap to set the compose key | 22:53 |
| Wizzup | (I have no suggestions on the key) | 22:53 |
| Sicelo | this is not about irssi btw guys :) | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | ie $U01234 into actual unicode char | 22:53 |
| Wizzup | something like this: setxkbmap -option compose:ralt | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, i think he asked about the windowsish feature of entering char by codes | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | using numpad and alt i think | 22:54 |
| Wizzup | uhh, okay | 22:54 |
| Wizzup | use python + x buffers? :) | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | system wide | 22:54 |
| Wizzup | x paste buffer not system wide enough? :) | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | firefox/terminal etc probably | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | how would you put things from input into x paste buffer? | 22:55 |
| Sicelo | thanks for the pointers. will look at the compose key further, and the setxkbmap suggestion | 22:55 |
| Wizzup | (compose and setxkbmap go together) | 22:55 |
| Wizzup | but yeah :) | 22:55 |
| Wizzup | alternative is probably using Xtest or something. | 22:55 |
| Wizzup | but you'd still need to bind it to some action or key | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | or starting special vkb on fn-space etc | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | that would read 4 numbers then pasted it into active window | 22:56 |
| Wizzup | You can send any input with xtest | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | yes, using xtest | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | but im thinking about that any-utf-char concept | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | actually such thing could be ported to any desktop env easily once written | 22:57 |
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| Wizzup | KotCzarny: read from /dev/input/eventX where X is keyboard, translate keypresses to numbers, use numbers to translate to unicode number, send unicode with xtest | 22:58 |
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| Wizzup | or if you want to avoid x: create a temporary fake keyboard input device | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | i think you dont even have to use eventX | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | simply starting/activating little app that would simply wait for 4 digits and send char via xtest to active window | 22:59 |
| Wizzup | sure | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | there was standard x app to react on keys | 22:59 |
| Wizzup | either way, I probably don't need this ... :) | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | xbindkeys or something | 23:00 |
| Wizzup | keybinder perhaps | 23:00 |
| Wizzup | http://kaizer.se/wiki/keybinder/ | 23:00 |
| Wizzup | uh...404 | 23:00 |
| Wizzup | great | 23:00 |
| Wizzup | https://github.com/engla/keybinder | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | check xbindkeys | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | it can be handy for those multimedia keys on laptops too | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | and for sending keys one could use xdotool | 23:05 |
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| KotCzarny | or just snatch code and mangle it together | 23:17 |
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