IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2015-09-11

DocScrutinizer05who maintains playlists? there's just one playlist I use: the queue00:00
DocScrutinizer05however YMMV00:00
SiceloL29Ah: try oscp00:03
DocScrutinizer05I find it highly annoying that most players don't have convenient and smart management of the queue. Like not only removing songs from queue but alsi inserting, or moving a song up/down in queue. Or setting a stop-point after a song (*in* a song?) with either hard pasue or fadeout00:03
SiceloDocScrutinizer05: do you have an example of one that does all that?00:08
DocScrutinizer05err, amarok I think did most of it, back when it was OK00:09
DocScrutinizer05amaroK sucks in that it never empties the queue after a song has been played (or after the 12th song after that song starts playing)00:11
DocScrutinizer05ok, it's just a hit of a button to clear complete playlist, but often that's also not what you want to do00:12
erlehmann; apt-rdepends amarok >[2] /dev/null | grep -c 'systemd'00:12
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Siceloi wonder if moving song up/down could be added into OMP00:19
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sixwheeledbeastI'd like to see an Artist play all button01:35
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Oksana(magnet missing in n900's cover?) My magnet separated from the leg, but still is magnetically-attached to the other side. So the leg waves around freely which is a tad annoying. I am not sure which glue would be strong enough (in tiny quantities) to put this tiny magnet back in place.01:55
L29Ahcyanoacrylate should do the job01:58
drathirOksana: mine soldered by normal fast one but needed a lot of patience...01:58
svetlanaHm. I didn't realise one can use a soldering process against magnet and plastic.01:59
drathirbc needed to clean both parts...01:59
drathirsvetlana: soldering mean put together/catch together...01:59
jabissame superglue they use to stich your face if you accidentally bump into a fist :D (some model airplane superglue without the additives that melt plastic)02:01
drathirand will be really useful tooth-pick and long nails ^^02:02
* Oksana doesn't exactly know what is "normal fast glue", but will try to do it... Not the most urgent thing to do. But given how any new phone will arrive only in q4/2015 (optimistically) or q1/2016 , I have to maintain this one in working condition until then02:02
drathiryea superglue one...02:02
drathirOksana: ^02:03
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drathirOksana: not use 2part one/mixed ones glues...s02:03
jabisone drop, spread with a toothpick, stick the magnet, voila02:04
jabisalso let it stick for some good hours before throwing it into the floor etc02:05
OksanaShould I put some pressure onto it, while it is drying-sticking?02:05
jabiscan't think of anything that wouldn't press out the adhesive out from inbetween the elements, but surely something to keep the magnet from moving and in contact with the glue won't hurt02:07
drathirfirst glue place by tooth-pick on the cover plasyic part... i toyched then keeping magnetic part at nail... when it touch the glue will keep to plastic need to sacrifice nail and take too much glue wich go out by clean tooth-pick...02:08
jabiswhat drathir said ^02:08
drathirand at plastic not really nuch glue needed enough is touch the place bt tooth-pick a little smashed in glue...02:09
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drathirOksana: inportant not put directly the glue to plastic bc that could end naughty things happen story ;;p02:10
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drathirOksana: sfter yo cleaned edges from glue and wait few seconds You can touch place big finger carefully and softly if not sticky try to close to check if fit correctly...02:13
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drathiryea the teared notes paper and/or handkerchief good have for energency purposes...02:19
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DocScrutinizer05Oksana: the magnet is in the cover, the leg only has a non-magnetic steel patch03:13
DocScrutinizer05svetlana: you cannot solder magnets, they will lose their magnetism at that temperature03:14
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DocScrutinizer05((Should I put some pressure onto it, while it is drying-sticking?)) with cyanoacrylate (aka superglue) no03:17
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OksanaOkay, steel patch (still, I am lucky that it does not get lost; it has lost some of its blackness, but otherwise it stays not-lost for weeks)03:21
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DocScrutinizer05apply some small amount of cyanoacrylate to the cleaned cavity where the magnet (or in your case the steel patch) belongs. within 20 s max place the small object (steel patch) into place. Do not move after 0.5s, so you better make damn sure to place it into right position on first take. use some scotch tape (sticky side) to hold the small object, this has two benefits: you can properly grab the whole thing, and superglue won't stick to03:22
DocScrutinizer05the scotchtape glue so easy removal of scotchtape03:22
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DocScrutinizer05apply some moderate pressure to keep object in place, for maybe 10 or 20s. Really moderate or even gentle! Do not move object while glue cures. cyanoacrylate cures with air humidity, so blowing at the whole thing will speed up curing03:24
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DocScrutinizer05don't be mistaken, even superglue takes several minutes before it reaches final strength of joint03:25
DocScrutinizer05so don't remove the scotchtape too early or you'll pull out the magnet or whatever object with it03:26
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jabisDocScrutinizer05: you really instruct to the tee :) Too early for such a feat here in Thailand, but I bet people other than me appreciate your input as much ^^ Next time you come to Chiang Mai, I'll buy you a beer :>04:03
jabis(or your preferred beverage)04:04
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jesterhello world08:03
jesteri am facing quite a curious problem on my n90008:03
Luke-Jrwhich one?08:04
jesteri have the cssu thumb installed and everything works great except08:04
jesteryappari cant tell if there is an internet connection or not08:04
jesteralso, the FAP says network error twice before updating catalogues08:05
jesteralthough it ends up working fine in the end08:05
Luke-Jrmy problem is that phone call recording uses too much CPU and so it makes the actual call impossible :<08:05
jesterah, which software are you using to record the phone calls ?08:05
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Luke-Jrjester: dunno; someone here suggested I change software when the one that used to work stopped working, and since that replacement never worked either I never learned its name well08:45
Luke-Jrseems to just be a pulseaudio problem to me.08:45
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jesterLuke-Jr, I was going to suggest using a replacement as well, its either a software issue or the pulseaudio one. But if one software works fine for everyone except you, its certainly a pulseaudio issue08:50
Luke-Jrjester: you know something that works? :p08:51
KotCzarnyjester, dont use fap08:51
infobotfapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam08:51
infobothmm... speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM
Luke-Jr(otoh, I suppose another possibility is that the eMMC is getting slower?)08:51
KotCzarnyits also in cssu-t08:52
jesterI have never tried recording calls, but theres orecchiette that can record calls and i think mydicto does that too08:52
svetlanaOksana: you recorded phone calls. What did you use? Luke-Jr's stuff uses too much cpu.08:54
Luke-Jrorecchiette is the most recent one I tried08:54
* Oksana uses orecchiette , too. But, it has to be open before phone call, and you should check settings08:55
Luke-JrOksana: when the call starts, CPU maxes out and the audio is unintelligible :/08:55
Luke-Jrwhat about the settings?08:56
jesterKotCzarny, i dont actually see speedyHAM in my applications, and yappari isnt already working ... do you think it may be because some of my repos be out of date? also im confused as to, what happened when the nokia repos went down, are the replacement packages there on the standard repo now ?08:56
KotCzarnyjester its called hildon-application-manager in repos08:56
infobotit has been said that maemo-repos is
KotCzarnythere are few mirrors08:57
jesterKotCzarny, thats the usual one, aka HAM hildon application manager08:57
svetlanaMaybe depends on the length of the phone call (?).08:57
jesterthanks for the link, id verify my repository information08:57
KotCzarnyjester, could be, still, dont use fam, speedyham is good08:58
jesterLuke-Jr, or maybe youre setting the recording quality too high08:58
KotCzarny(i've tried it few days ago and it was good)08:58
Luke-Jrsvetlana: it's unusable from the moment I answer08:58
KotCzarnyas for call recording, write as wav then encode after a call?08:58
MaxdamantusI'd try recording wave and piping it to `lzop -1`08:59
svetlanaWonder what version of sound stuff and of the orecchiette. Maybe some odd bug08:59
Luke-Jrall my older "worked great" cases were AAC08:59
Luke-Jrwhich I wouldn't have used in post-processing09:00
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MaxdamantusYou might want to check that it's not resampling or something.09:00
KotCzarnywould be great to have photo button starting and ending recording09:03
Luke-JrKotCzarny: meh, if it worked I'd just figure "record everything and edit later"09:04
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KotCzarnythat would be nice to have as a setting in phone config09:04
KotCzarnyi wonder if it would be possible to listen for dbus events for call start amd end09:06
KotCzarnythen it would be very simple to write recording feature09:06
Luke-Jrthe software I used before orecchiette just automatically recorded everything09:06
Luke-Jrorecchiette does also, but needs to be started manually09:07
Luke-Jras in, the program needs to be running in the background; and then it will record/stop automatically09:07
Luke-Jrmeh, I need to get to bed :<09:08
KotCzarnywrite to orecchiette author?09:08
Luke-JrKotCzarny: dunno who that is :P09:08
KotCzarnythe one of pierogi's fame09:08
KotCzarnyhe is active dev09:09
KotCzarny(if im not mistaken)09:09
KotCzarnylets see who is maintainer on maemo09:17
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* Maxdamantus suspects this battery isn't genuine, meh.09:32
infobotpolarcell is, like, BL-5J Replacement09:32
MaxdamantusDo they make different slightly holograms?09:33
KotCzarnythey stopped adding holos09:33
KotCzarnyso if you bought nokia 'original' recently then it IS a fake09:33
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* Maxdamantus wonders if that's significant.09:33
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zGrrmoin :)11:04
MaxdamantusFun hologram (real).11:10
MaxdamantusWill record the presumed fake one soon.11:10
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KotCzarnyalso, weight of the battery can be a sign11:54
MaxdamantusWell, the hologram itself is obviously not as high-quality as the Nokia one.12:05
Maxdamantus(not the one in the video, the one currently in my phone)12:06
* Maxdamantus doesn't have another device to record, so has to swap batteries.12:06
ceeneso, coderus has libaxolotl (needed to implement TextSecure on Yappari) ported to QT512:08
ceeneof course our N900 doesn't feature QT5 but QT412:08
ceeneso there are several things that need some porting back12:08
Siceloceene: somehow whatsapp didn't like me creating a group :(12:12
ceenei'm gonna try that myself right now and see what happens12:12
Siceloall was fine until i created one .. now cannot login12:12
ceenethat doesn't sound nice12:12
ceenei'm gonna do that on scratchbox then instead of on my main phone12:13
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ceenewhy the hell yappari think scratchbox isn't network connected?12:21
Siceloi see lots of cheap Windows tablets from China. is it reasonable to assume one can install Linux one them?12:22
ceeneusually yes, though there's no guarantee all the hardware will work12:22
ceeneuh, i gotta do some real work now12:26
ceeneor someone's going to fire me12:26
ceenebut i'll get back to you ASAP12:26
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MaxdamantusThat's pretty much the same with all computer packages. They pretty much all come with Windows, though there's a small chance it's not going to pretty much completely work with a Linux-based OS.12:54
MaxdamantusPeople who use Linux-based OSes aren't using magical hardware.12:55
KotCzarnyuserbase is bigger12:55
Maxdamantus(myself included)12:55
Siceloi was thinking more about the booting part .. don't know what bootloaders are sitting in those tabs12:55
KotCzarnyso is bigger chance of re of the drivers12:55
MaxdamantusProbably just the standard NTLDR, unless they've changed the name.12:57
Sicelobut i see now that since Intel Atom processor, we shouldn't have problems :)12:57
Sicelowhy is no one putting in Linux on the Nokia N1 though?12:57
KotCzarnythey may use some vendor quirks to be working12:57
KotCzarnyi remember helping someone with chromebook12:57
KotCzarnyand unloading one particular module froze whole thing12:58
Sicelothat's ARM though iirc12:58
KotCzarnystill, vendors often lock their devices in nasty ways12:58
Wizzupsamsung arm chromebook are not really locked12:59
Wizzupsame for the nvidia-powered acer ones12:59
M4rtinKthere is some work ongoing for running Fedora on bay-trail (x86) based tablets:
Wizzupactually all arm chromebooks are not locked13:00
WizzupYou can (re)flash13:00
M4rtinKSicelo: N1 is x8613:00
Wizzupthere are always sources avail too13:00
Siceloyes, i know. i mean the chromebook is ARM.. isn't it?13:02
Sicelooh wow.. unlocked? hmm13:02
MaxdamantusI think a lot of Chromebooks are x86.13:02
* Maxdamantus suspects they'd usually be x86.13:03
MaxdamantusSo mostly x86.13:07
Sicelocool. never realized that13:08
* Maxdamantus wonders if that Rockchip thing at the end is x86. The Wikipedia page is of the company, which apparently mostly produces ARM chips, but entered a deal recently with Intel to expand their architecture in the mobile market or something.13:08
* Maxdamantus wants to see more desktops/laptops using non-x86.13:09
MaxdamantusIntel doesn't, because they rely on their architecture being the de-facto desktop/laptop one.13:09
* Maxdamantus wants more competition of technology rather than competition of legacy support.13:10
KotCzarnythat competition could mean more work for devs13:11
KotCzarnysee physx13:11
KotCzarnyand similar examples of proprietary technologies13:11
MaxdamantusI'm not sure what it being proprietary has to do with anything.13:14
KotCzarnythat means that technology will be bound to particular hardware13:15
KotCzarnyremember old sse vs 3dnow ?13:15
Maxdamantusbut computers/OSes have been based on the same weird model for the last forty years or so.13:15
Maxdamantuswhere the computer/OS is responsible for emulating another computer for each program.13:16
KotCzarnyunless patents and licensing comes into play13:16
KotCzarnyand you cant emulate other things without paying royalties13:16
MaxdamantusIf there's more fluidity between architectures there's probably slightly less of a chance of proprietary things taking over.13:17
KotCzarnyhave you ever thought why there are different architectures in the first place?13:18
KotCzarnythis thing is still on13:18
MaxdamantusBecause the PDP-11 wasn't optimal.13:18
KotCzarnyin 2001 alpha intellectual property was sold to intel13:20
KotCzarnyalpha was >>>>> intel13:20
MaxdamantusBut Intel already pretty much has the monopoly over desktop computers by that point.13:21
Maxdamantuswhich is why they were able to swallow up potential competition like that.13:21
KotCzarnyyes, but they really took off when ibm clone thing became popular13:21
MaxdamantusIntel is successful because it's successful enough to fight off competition.13:22
KotCzarnyearlier they were just a small competitor13:22
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Maxdamantusand what helps them is the current monolithic state of desktop computing.13:22
Maxdamantusit's all on Intel's architecture.13:23
KotCzarnyits because people started using cheap clones and writing software for it13:23
KotCzarnyie. things became cheap enough for many people to use it13:24
KotCzarnyand once userbase become significant, commercial solutions started popping out too13:25
Wizzup12:03  * Maxdamantus suspects they'd usually be x86.13:31
WizzupI don't think 'usually', but ok13:31
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MaxdamantusIt apparently is usually.13:44
Maxdamantusunless by not usually you meant always.13:44
Maxdamantusbut it's not always—there are a few ARM models, just not many.13:45
WizzupIt would be good to see numbers net to the models13:45
Wizzupnext to*13:45
Wizzupalso, seems the code names on wikipedia aren't acccurate13:46
Wizzupguess I should fix them...13:46
Sicelonumbers of?13:46
WizzupOtherwise you don't really know the distribution13:48
keriomeh it's likely a gaussian13:48
Wizzuplet's just say that in my circles, (/me counts....) one friend has an intel chromebook, the other 7 have (one or more) arm chromebooks13:49
Wizzupprobably biased :)13:49
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KotCzarnyno gaussian but guessian14:31
infobotKotCzarny meant: not gaussian but guessian14:31
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Sicelofurther on the previous topic: so the problem with bootloaders that's plaguing smartphones .. is it "caused" by the ARM processors used, or we should just blame Android for example?14:44
KotCzarnyboth are vendor issue (hw or sw)14:45
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Sicelohmm, ok. currently N900 is still one of the relatively easy ones to boot your own OS. Very few other smartphones seem to have scored success. It sucks14:48
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KotCzarnyit all starts with one14:49
KotCzarnyone device14:50
KotCzarnythat gains user base and interest14:50
Siceloit's been a long time already. N900 could boot your own linux "almost" from day one.14:51
KotCzarnyim gonna do just that next week14:51
KotCzarnymy third n900 should arrive today14:51
Sicelothere's a lot of interest also in samsung devices especially .. and i dare say those hackers are knowledgeable. success is another story though14:51
* Sicelo has booted Arch, Debian, Nemo & SHR on his main N900 in the past :)14:52
Sicelovery fulfilling.14:52
KotCzarnyhow about wince?14:52
Siceloof course calls didn't work, but 3G did, and i was satisfied.14:52
Sicelohaha, wince? what would i do with that. no interest14:53
KotCzarnyshow off14:53
L29Ahhmm, maybe i need to screw calls and use sip instead14:53
L29Ahi wonder if i'll suck on gprs tho14:53
KotCzarnymaybe boot cut down maemo os just with dialer and calls engine?14:53
KotCzarny(in chroot or something)14:54
SiceloL29Ah: regarding?14:54
KotCzarnythough i would probably write my own dialer ui14:54
L29Ahre getting up gentoo to use full time14:54
L29Ahas only gsm-enabled device i carry14:55
L29Ah*the only14:55
SiceloGPRS/3G should work just fine14:55
L29Ahi mean, if sip over gprs is tolerable14:56
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L29Ahwi-fi is not quite omnipresent and 3g generally ends when one leaves a city here14:57
KotCzarnyexternal usb modem for calls?14:58
Siceloyou may have to be stuck with Maemo then :)14:58
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drathiryea migrating from debian to arch would be nice...15:28
SiceloSkry made the most progress in that direction. Not sure why he abandoned the project.15:34
drathirarch its lighter and have alarm devs which ones mabe also could share with useful tips ideas about who knows...15:41
drathirofc still maemo better than android...15:42
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stryngsAdventures of a skid, part I:  <Andchat> how will I hack my skool server then ..plz teach me17:21
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ceeneSicelo: now my WA account seems to be banned as well :P17:30
ceeneso i can't tell exactly what has happened17:30
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Siceloimm on my 4th whatsapp number now, haha ... wait, 5thait17:34
ceenei'm a bit tired of this whatsapp bussiness17:36
ceeneif i can't get my number to be unbanned or whatever i'm no sure if i'll continue supporting yappari17:47
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Siceloi also got fed up. when my 4th number got banned i vowed not to come back. my sisters bought the 5th number, haha17:55
Siceloit's them i was making a group for when i got that disconnection (i hope not ban, yet)17:56
ceeneit seems to be a ban, but maybe it's only temporary17:56
Sicelohmm. that sucks then17:57
ceenei couldn't get scratchbox to work, so i used my main number to test it17:57
ceenemaybe i should post about this on the forum hehe17:57
ceeneso people don't get massively banned17:57
Siceloif only everyone just used IRC!17:58
ceenethose were good times17:58
Siceloor XMPP if they want/need fancy features such as calls17:58
WizzupYou can perhaps create a bitlbee plugin17:58
WizzupAny clue why whatsapp is so agressive in banning implementations17:58
Siceloor SIP. i've tried to win over some people here, but didn't get far17:58
Sicelopeople just like what "works"17:59
ceenethe problem with the bitlbee plugin is the same as with yappari17:59
Wizzupceene: wrt banning, of course17:59
SiceloWizzup: they claim unofficial clients are a security risk17:59
ceeneyou get one little thing wrong with the protocol and bam! banned!17:59
Wizzupbut then it appears like everyone is using IRC ;)17:59
Siceloin my side of thw world, i have yet to meet an IRC user ..18:00
Wizzupwhere do you live18:00
SiceloSwaziland/South Africa18:00
ceenewell, in my book yappari is less of a security risk as it is free source, but go and talk to them about that18:00
ecc3gstupid whatsapp simply wants to uniquely identify people so they can ban them if they start spamming the service without thier consent... that's the security they want.18:01
ecc3gthey could care less about users' security...18:02
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Wizzupceene: it sounds like an excuse really18:03
ceenemost probably, they just simply want total control of the network18:06
ceeneand maybe they're right, in the end they are paying for the infrastructre18:06
ceeneit's us the users who should choose more wisely18:06
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ecc3gnow that I know what they're trying to do, so I do the best thing: refuse their service...18:18
KotCzarnygreedy bastards18:23
KotCzarnythat's what they are18:23
ecc3gunfortunately everyones doing the same, ios, android, doomed...18:24
KotCzarnythere is linux, irc etc18:24
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KotCzarnypity people jump on the 'popular' bandwagon too quickly18:24
KotCzarnyyet, popular comes from offensive marketing mostly18:25
KotCzarnyand dumbing down tools so average user is happy18:25
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ceenetelegram is a technically superior alternative yet here we are, using a very privative and secret protocol because "everyone" uses it18:26
ceeneand not only telegram, there are lots of alternatives18:26
ecc3gsomeone needs to make a buck off of their service...18:27
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ceeneare you proposing a ddos attack? :P18:29
ecc3gsomeone needs to make a p2p IM service that's decentralized...18:29
ceeneit won't matter as long as people doesn't switch18:29
ecc3galas there are so many problems with such18:29
ecc3ghence they wont switch...18:29
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ceeneyou can make the most incridible app yet people won't switch while the original one works for them18:30
KotCzarnythey need 'shiny'18:30
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ecc3gjust like android and ios... dang preaching to the choir...18:30
drathirecc3g: pybitmessage...18:32
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ceeneI'm sad18:48
ceenei know there are several people that will change phones if Yappari stops working18:49
KotCzarnyin .pl there are few im networks, but they usually dont ban people for using alternatives18:50
Sicelohaha, just because of whatsapp? i'll quit whatsapp, not the N900 :)18:51
KotCzarnyyet, recently they updated policies with the list of 'official clients' so maybe its a wider move18:51
KotCzarnydont forget to make people mail whatsapp staff18:51
KotCzarnythat they quit because of ban on alternatives18:51
KotCzarnyalso, make a campaign or two18:51
KotCzarnybut suggest people to mail WA staff18:52
KotCzarnyit really can make a difference18:52
Siceloit won't18:53
KotCzarnyit can, receiving few hundred thousands emails is significant18:53
Sicelook .. let me not be dogmatic, but it does seem impossible18:54
ceenedunno, how may of us are?18:54
SiceloKotCzarny: for one, they don't even seem to be interested in mails that don't come from mailbox directly .. they want you to mail from the app18:54
KotCzarnyceene, seek other WA alts, join forces18:55
KotCzarnymail the bastards18:56
ceenei may end up installing an android emulator and connecting via vnc to access WA18:57
ceeneor parsing androids' wa sqlite files to forward them or something18:58
ceenei could sell a cloud of virtual android devices with WA forwarding...18:58
ceeneone man can dream18:58
ceenei'd like to be millionaire too18:59
Wizzup>cloud >whatsapp18:59
WizzupAdding cloud to anything makes it worse, not better18:59
ceeneit'd be worse for you, i'll be reach and sell to facebook yada yada19:00
infobotceene meant: it'd be worse for you, i'll be rich and sell to facebook yada yada19:00
ceeneon the other hand, I've set up a linux server of mine to act as exchange server19:07
ceeneso i have instant mail delivery on my n900, alongside contacts and calendar synchronization to owncloud19:07
ceenemail is previously filtered and each attachment is removed and replaced by a link to an https location19:07
ceeneso i don't download big attachments on the phone without my knowledge, saving 3g data19:08
ceeneisn't that cool? :P19:08
Wizzuppretty nifty19:12
Siceloceene: what are you using for that? :)19:14
Sicelozimbra? horde activesync? or .. what's the other one .. forgot :/19:14
ceenewell, it's a fork of z-push19:14
Siceloah yes. so it works nicely?19:15
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ceeneit seems to be good enough for this19:15
ceeneit's quite a bit burdersome to set up19:15
ceenebecause owncloud dav urls are a bit confusing19:15
Sicelohow about resource usage .. not bad?19:15
ceeneon the server it's completely negligible19:16
ceeneand on the n90019:16
ceenei'd say it's better than using modest to automatically sync19:16
ceeneas exchange protocol supports push operations19:16
ceeneso email is not polled by the phone but pushed from the server19:17
Siceloyeah. i''m currently using for that, but don't really like it at all19:17
ceeneto remove attachments i simply use procmail and a perl script i found somewhere and modified a bit19:17
Sicelodid you really have to use it? modest doesn't download attachments until you choose to .. am i wrong?19:18
Siceloi think only mutt has that flaw :(19:18
ceeneyou know what?19:18
ceenei never checked to see if modest could not download attachments19:18
ceeneso maybe i worked for nothing19:18
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ceenelet's see19:19
ceenenope, there's no option to avoid attachments19:19
Sicelobut it doesn't auto-download it :)19:20
ceeneare you sure?19:20
Siceloif you want the attachment you click it, and only then does it start downloading19:20
ceeneif that's true then I'm an idiot :D19:20
SiceloIDIOT of the week, haha19:20
ceenenow I'm sad again!19:21
Siceloyou still learned something from your efforts19:21
ceenethat's very true19:21
Siceloand can bring that to mutt, which sadly downloads all junk you get sent :(19:21
ceeneand push mail is still something nice, as well as calendar and contacts synchronization19:21
Sicelodefinitely. i'll look at z-push further.19:22
Siceloi would like to close my outlook.com19:22
Sicelobut haven't had access to a proper server for stuff like z-push, etc19:22
ceeneluckily i have acces to a couple from my uni19:23
ceenemy own copy of ovi repos is in one of them19:23
ceeneit also seems to be currently maintained19:24
ceeneso it can only get better (z-push i mean)19:24
Siceloceene: can i /query you?19:26
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VajbCitizen four. Any thoughts?21:25
KotCzarnymy first association was 'citizen kane'21:42
Vajbdocumentary of edward snowden. Ring any bells?21:44
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DocScrutinizer05(phonecall recording) I use recaller (recording .wav, the only thing that _can_ worj) and that's working for me since... 5 years now22:19
DocScrutinizer05only annoyance: when 'disk full' it never recovers until boot22:20
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SiceloDocScrutinizer05: apparently recaller has some serious memory leaks22:56
DocScrutinizer05does it?22:56
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DocScrutinizer05my device been at 60 days uptime at times, maybe 9022:56
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DocScrutinizer05(memleaks) if it's really a problem, then a killall hildon-home once a week prolly can't hurt22:58
Siceloyeah. tbh i also never noticed any issues23:00
Sicelobut .. the dev didn't abandon it for no reason and put orrechiette instead23:01
DocScrutinizer05well, it's a quite screwed-up implemetation, as a applet (so sub-'process') of hildon desktop23:06
DocScrutinizer05those desktop applet 'plugins' are a silly concept to start with23:07
DocScrutinizer05one failing-> whole hildon desktop hangs23:07
DocScrutinizer05once segfaulting -> reboot loop23:07
DocScrutinizer05it's maybe appropriate concept for really lightweight stuff, like... queenbeecon or sth like that, or for weather forecast applet (though I already start feeling stomach ache with that and the access to internet it needs)23:11
DocScrutinizer05for such stuff the benefits from not needing a complete own dedicated process environment are noticeable23:12
DocScrutinizer05stuff like recaller better was a mature decent own process, no matter what's the GUI23:13
Siceloceene: lol. just found that my 1st blocked number is now unblocked .. it was maybe 3-4 months ago if 'm not mistaken23:21
Sicelowill be testing your 2.0.18 now23:22
DocScrutinizer51how about using temporary account/number for testing new apps?23:23
DocScrutinizer51(not that DocScrutinizer51 would ever suggest using stuff like watsapp)23:24
Sicelotbh most of us wish we didn't have to. unfortunately, we also have real lives .. and real people to communicate with, who cbf about the philosophy of proprietary vs. open standards23:27
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