| Wizzup | KotCzarny: glibc or musl, yeah | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Wizzup> next step is to check if audio still needs some high pass filter)) how could that possibly have changed? | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the question rather is the next one you posted: if audio works | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah tried musl and it wasnt good enough | 00:03 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: it appears to work fine | 00:04 |
| Wizzup | I just didn't go through the >1000 switches to figure out which ones | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 00:05 |
| Wizzup | ARM Chromebooks have similar amount of switches | 00:05 |
| Wizzup | Left Speaker Left DAC ... Left Speaker Right DAC ... | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, audio mixers are monsters | 00:05 |
| Wizzup | Right Speaker Left DAC ... Right Speaker Right DAC... | 00:05 |
| Wizzup | yeah. | 00:05 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: I run it on a few machines, works fine (musl) | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you only can get a hold on the meaning of that when you study the datasheet of the mixer | 00:05 |
| Wizzup | oh yeah, and hostmode is also something I want to look into a bit later | 00:06 |
| Wizzup | yeah, probably... | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus the device schematics of course, since more often than not the name of a control is in line with the naming in datasheet but not in line how that signal line / control element is actually used in that particular device | 00:07 |
| Wizzup | I was hoping to find someone who used it/worked on it spoonfeed me ;) | 00:08 |
| Wizzup | to spoonfeed* | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stereo-line-in goes to e.g. BT and stereo-line-out to the earpiece or maybe the FM radio TX | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (madeup example) | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then there's a lot of stuff like e.g. sidetone etc which doesn't make sense at all to you unless you understand exactly how the mixer works inside that particular device | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lots of the controls are useless or even a "DONT TOUCH!" | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the mixer chip is generic and has lots of features not needed or even messing up stuff in the application at hand | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, there is a switch to enable voltage on jack detection | 00:11 |
| Sicelo | can't you just set them as close as possible to default Maemo settings Wizzup? | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. you can switch each pair of input and output lines between differential mone and stereo and 2 independent channels. Usually only one of the three matches your usecase | 00:12 |
| Wizzup | Sicelo: probably - should try that | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/mone/mono/ | 00:13 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: e.g. you can switch each pair of input and output lines between differential mono and stereo and 2 independent channels. Usually only one of the three matches your usecase | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | alsactl store/restore ? | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alsactl is sort of redundant | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing you couldn't do with amixer as well | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/1352651 | 00:15 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: if they are identical then yes | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | dump them then diff | 00:16 |
| Wizzup | yep | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use amixer instead alsactl | 00:16 |
| Wizzup | ack | 00:16 |
| Sicelo | nemo/mer abandoned N900 by the way? | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: feel free to copy me here | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I'd say yes | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://lwn.net/Articles/420775/ | 00:22 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: :) | 00:30 |
| Wizzup | nn | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/1352651 line 111 ff | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still doubt this is supposed to be in a working state on N900/fremantle, but I have no doubt it *could* get bashed into shape to work | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some devices use a dedicated MCU to "speak" ECI protocol, on N900 there's some hw support for ECI by some volatge comparators that directly interface to the OMAP CPU | 00:32 |
| Wizzup | well, if you have one of those nokia headsets still | 00:33 |
| Wizzup | they register as in input device | 00:33 |
| Wizzup | and have a button to pick up a call | 00:33 |
| Wizzup | at least IIRC | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all it needs is a kernel driver getting invoked on an IRQ on the according GPIO pin (called "ECI" iirc ;-D ) and then bitbanging that simple singlewire serial low baudrate protocol | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, those with one button are not ECI. Those with multiple buttons though are | 00:34 |
| Wizzup | aha | 00:34 |
| Wizzup | okay -afk :) | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you press a button on an ECI headset, the headset starts serial communication on the mic line, much like you would do very fast morse on a one-button headset holdbutton | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this should trigger the comparators in N900 and cause a GPIO to change state which should cause an IRQ and invoke the kernel handler | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the kernel handler then establishes a half-duplex bidir communication to the ECI, answering the headset's 'request' by similarly pulling mic line to ground like ECI headset does. The headset has a buffer capacitor for the embedded controller power supply so it can work while the power supply line that's what mic line basically is gets pulsed to GND by either the headset itself or the phone | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there are other kernel drivers working almost identical. See Openmoko Freerunner GTA02 smart battery monitor HDQ singlewire protocol | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (HDQ described in datasheet of BQ27200) | 00:44 |
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| stryngs | For those who might want to try things a bit differently withb their n900: http://n900-hackers.org | 04:34 |
| stryngs | Enjoy =) It's been a work in progress since 2012! | 04:34 |
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| Luke-Jr | stryngs: just software? :P | 06:20 |
| stryngs | Luke-Jr: Yes =) | 06:20 |
| Luke-Jr | that's like.. normal. not differently :p | 06:20 |
| stryngs | Luke-Jr: Oh, it's differently | 06:20 |
| stryngs | Luke-Jr: Grab a copy and check it out =) | 06:21 |
| Luke-Jr | no time | 06:21 |
| Luke-Jr | don't even have time to maintain my N900 distro | 06:21 |
| stryngs | Luke-Jr: "your" distro? | 06:22 |
| Luke-Jr | stryngs: Gentoo on N900 | 06:22 |
| stryngs | Luke-Jr: You have a differnt ..... Ah, pretty neat. | 06:22 |
| stryngs | Luke-Jr: chroot enviro? | 06:22 |
| Luke-Jr | I haven't maintained booting since 2011 or so, but it used to work <.< | 06:22 |
| stryngs | Luke-Jr: chroot or an actual boot? | 06:22 |
| Luke-Jr | since 2011, I have only chroot'd; before 2011, actual boot worked | 06:23 |
| stryngs | Luke-Jr: What changed? | 06:23 |
| Luke-Jr | stryngs: perhaps nothing. I just haven't tried it. | 06:23 |
| Luke-Jr | although I think bootmenu has been discontinued, and replaced with some custom U-Boot | 06:23 |
| stryngs | Old .debs should work right? | 06:24 |
| Luke-Jr | for boot stuff, not necessarily | 06:24 |
| Luke-Jr | lately I've found chroot is semi-unworkable too since Gentoo has moved on to newer glibcs (>2.19 won't work on old kernels) | 06:24 |
| Luke-Jr | I can still downgrade mine.. but there's no way to bootstrap a new Gentoo on N900 anymore | 06:25 |
| stryngs | Luke-Jr: ah | 06:25 |
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| stryngs | Luke-Jr: When u ran gentoo, in boot. Did the phone actually work? call, sms, gps, maps, etc..? | 06:25 |
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| luke-jr_ | [03:26:01] <Luke-Jr> stryngs: of those, I think I only got GPS and GPRS to work | 06:28 |
| stryngs | Luke-Jr: Ah, too bad =/ | 06:29 |
| luke-jr_ | my plan now is to migrate to Pyra ASAP :P | 06:29 |
| stryngs | Pyra? | 06:30 |
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| stryngs | Interesting | 06:31 |
| luke-jr_ | stryngs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK1B8zpWIAANAIx.jpg:orig | 06:34 |
| stryngs | luke-jr_: Definately cool =) Will the wifi nic be able to packet inject? | 06:36 |
| luke-jr_ | stryngs: I would hope so, that seems standard these days | 06:36 |
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| Tekk_ | anyone know why cutetube2 seems to be so incredibly unstable? | 08:24 |
| Tekk_ | Not that cutetube was a paragon of not crashung | 08:24 |
| Tekk_ | crashing* | 08:24 |
| Tekk_ | is it actually the dev's fault or something underlying in maemo? | 08:24 |
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| Tekk_ | I just got it to crash by....doing nothing on a channel's videos page, for example | 08:27 |
| Tekk_ | literally just let it sit there a bit while doing something in euro truck simulator | 08:27 |
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| Sicelo | Tekk_: you may find it's just some bug in Maemo ... Yappari kinda does the same | 10:06 |
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| ceene | indeed | 10:26 |
| ceene | when the coredumps Yappari drops are defective themselves | 10:26 |
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| ceene | well, then you know there's something hidden somewhere | 10:27 |
| ceene | not that I'm the most expert coder, but I swear I'm not responsible of everything bad that happens | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | ha. | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:28 |
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| ceene | #0 0x41d351b8 in QIODevice::close() () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4 | 10:29 |
| ceene | come on | 10:29 |
| Sicelo | and my cutetube2 is not crashing, so far :) | 10:29 |
| ceene | there's no way a close() can result in a segmentation fault | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | null pointers, null pointers everywhere! | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | recompile qt with debugging symbols? | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | or check if there is -deb package | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | also, compare which version you have installed (ceene and sicelo) | 10:31 |
| KotCzarny | and (tekk_) | 10:31 |
| ceene | my cutetube2 doesn't crash, although I don't use it much | 10:31 |
| ceene | and this thing with yappari... | 10:32 |
| ceene | well, I guess you're right and the only way is to debug qt itself | 10:32 |
| KotCzarny | still, compare qt versions | 10:32 |
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| ender| | i'm trying to register on talk.maemo.org, but keep getting "Registration denied, this forum runs an active policy of not allowing spammers."; i also tried the Contact us link, but received no response | 13:57 |
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| buZz | maybe not use a @hotmail.com ;) | 14:08 |
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| ender| | i'm using my own domain | 14:54 |
| bencoh | ender|: have you tried from a different ip/subnet? | 15:00 |
| ender| | not yet | 15:02 |
| ender| | same thing | 15:04 |
| ender| | (tried from a completely different ISP) | 15:04 |
| bencoh | then I guess it doesn't like your domain for some reason (?) | 15:13 |
| kerio | are you listed on dnsbl? | 15:31 |
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| ender| | my home IP and my mailserver aren't listed anywhere (but the second IP i tried registering from is apparently listed on b.barracudacentral.org, pbl.spamhaus.org and zen.spamhaus.org) | 15:38 |
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| KotCzarny | woohoo, my second n900 arrived | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | lets see if i got scammed | 17:57 |
| kerio | inb4 a literal brick | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | wow, firmware is different | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | funnily it kept time while i was inserting sim | 18:00 |
| kerio | why are you putting your sim in | 18:01 |
| kerio | did you reflash it already | 18:01 |
| drathir | it have battery inside... | 18:02 |
| drathir | but mostly are dead ones... ;/ | 18:02 |
| kerio | drathir: my n900's internal clock lasts for like 3 seconds without a battery | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | drathir, yeah, nmy main doesnt keep time even for quick changes | 18:03 |
| drathir | kerio: mine at reallysmooth sim exchange sometimes able to made it w/o clock reset.. | 18:03 |
| kerio | yeah but it's a crapshoot | 18:04 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: are you switching batteries? | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | previous user had a nice setup | 18:04 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: ok so you DID insert your sim | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | kerio, not switching batteries, inserting sim card | 18:04 |
| kerio | into a heavily moddable phone | 18:04 |
| kerio | that you just bought | 18:05 |
| drathir | yea... but wonder if change internal battery could change a little that... | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | kerio, its a free sim, ie no cellular voice, only data | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | and free | 18:05 |
| kerio | cool story bro | 18:05 |
| kerio | why do you have a free sim with free data | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | ie. i wont pay a cent even if it started dling pr0n | 18:05 |
| kerio | i'm pretty sure those only exist in candy lnad | 18:05 |
| kerio | land | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | come to poland | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: changing clock battery is possible if you know soldering, but people who do insert capacitor there i think | 18:06 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: does internet work in roaming? | 18:06 |
| kerio | :> | 18:06 |
| kerio | why does your sim card exist, anyway? | 18:07 |
| kerio | how fast is mobile internet in poland? | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | this free internet isset to 512kbit/s | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | fastest is lte | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | so far | 18:07 |
| kerio | oh, so it's not really internet | 18:08 |
| kerio | i was gonna say | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: that sim exists because one guy got a nice contract for exclusive bandwidth | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | still, 512kbit is enough for maps/mail/www | 18:08 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: how many of those sims do you have? | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | 2 | 18:09 |
| kerio | i'm pretty sure there's a way to run a VPN over two network connections | 18:09 |
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| KotCzarny | nah, once it gained popularity and people started aggregating modems they restricted it to 1hr, then one has to enter captcha in particularly crowded areas | 18:10 |
| drathir | and that is more a punishment for bad practices of usage the lte frequencies... | 18:12 |
| drathir | they have a choice stop using it until all documents have a correct power or share the free access to the network in theory for free for few years, w/o commercial usage of frequencies... | 18:14 |
| drathir | but ofc i guess not free anyway they want more data to assin into program than creating bank account ;p | 18:15 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: \m/ | 18:16 |
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| * drathir now support meshnet idea... | 18:17 | |
| drathir | when i fix my n900 i will try build on it the cjdns... | 18:18 |
| drathir | for sure kernel power needed bc of tun support... | 18:18 |
| kerio | meshnet doesn't work for mobile devices | 18:24 |
| kerio | the power consumption is way too high | 18:24 |
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| KotCzarny | mmm | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | modem works | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | everything works as advertised so far | 18:42 |
| kerio | WHY HAVEN'T YOU REFLASHED YET | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | because i want to browse his config | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | and see how users use n900 | 18:44 |
| kerio | YOU'RE RUNNING A COMPUTER WITH INTERNET ACCESS AND WIFI IN YOUR HOME | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | so what? | 18:44 |
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| KotCzarny | its not on my net | 18:45 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: that you know of | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | and that free sim is free | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | well, as far as i know, for wpa protected wifi i would have to enter pass, right? | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | which i didnt | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | so tell me, how it could be on my net? | 18:47 |
| bencoh | aybabtu | 18:48 |
| bencoh | -- CATS | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | aybabtu? | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | nah, not all | 18:51 |
| Sicelo | because the previous user had your wpa password & it connected automatically :D | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, right | 18:53 |
| Sicelo | :p | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | still, pretty nice deal for ~25usd | 18:54 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: The orig. owner is watching you pee as we speak. | 18:54 |
| Sicelo | yeah. am happy for you (if not green with envy) | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, want me to find one for you too? | 18:55 |
| drathir | kerio: cjdns its little different, bc only route if You are the best path... | 18:56 |
| drathir | but yea power comsumption should be similar to vpn... ;/ | 18:56 |
| Sicelo | i'd like that KotCzarny. but my pocket has big holes right now, & all my coins have fallen off on my way :p | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:58 |
| drathir | need look at prices n900 long time not checkin them... | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | drathir 30-59usd usually | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | less if you can solder usb port | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | more if you want mint condition | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | using backcover from my phone made camera autodetected | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | so its only some little part that broke (in backcover) | 19:08 |
| kerio | isn't it just a tiny magnet | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, but it means only backcover needs fixing and main board is ok | 19:12 |
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| KotCzarny | console /dev/ttyMTD0 enabled, does it mean it logs to flash? o.O | 19:40 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: that's only for mtdoops, i think | 19:43 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 19:43 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | interestingly, 'cam_shutter gpio 110 is now open' to camera cover is detected | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | wonder what else it needs to fullfill 'start camera app' reqeuirements | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | *requirements | 19:53 |
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| KotCzarny | also, matrix pr12 theme is pretty | 19:57 |
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| kerio | KotCzarny: cam shutter and backplate are two different sensor | 20:01 |
| kerio | shutter is a light sensor that looks at the piece of plastic that's either black or white | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 20:02 |
| kerio | backplate is a magnetic sensor | 20:02 |
| kerio | you'll have to glue a tiny piece of fridge magnet in place | 20:02 |
| kerio | on the backplate | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | will probably do that | 20:02 |
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| Vajb | hmm interesting also other way around. I would never sell my phone without formatting it completely first. | 20:16 |
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| KotCzarny | would be nice if previous owner were a girl | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise, meh | 20:17 |
| Vajb | well u never know | 20:20 |
| Vajb | today something starnge happened. First i lost internet connection. Then also phone connection. It came back after reboot and cleaning of pin contacts. | 20:22 |
| Vajb | strange even | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | dying modem? | 20:24 |
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| KotCzarny | but yeah, lost sim contact can do that too | 20:26 |
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| Vajb | im afraid of modem dying, but hoping for sim contacts. They look kinda weary. | 20:32 |
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| KotCzarny | buahahhaa | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | sd card works | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | so, i just got fully working n900 for ~25usd | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | wow, this guy had extras-devel enabled all the time | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | and apparently his device didnt blow up | 20:57 |
| * kerio has extras-devel and community-devel enabled full time | 20:57 | |
| KotCzarny | but that just means people do such things | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | also, he was using fapman | 21:03 |
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| KotCzarny | oscp works beautifully as a media player | 21:07 |
| KotCzarny | system one is just a mess when it comes to presenting collection | 21:07 |
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| KotCzarny | also, he is using cssu-thumb | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 21:13 |
| Vajb | hmm did someone sent u my other phone... | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | were you using matrix pr12 theme? | 21:25 |
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| Vajb | ah right, nope | 21:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | i must say that theme looks pretty (again) | 21:36 |
| Vajb | im using windows7 theme | 21:36 |
| Vajb | hmm maybe i give it a try | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bupbat | 21:43 |
| infobot | i guess bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 | 21:43 |
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| KotCzarny | doc: this n900 is 4 years old, still has working bupbat | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those *are* capacitors | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | unless someone modded it into cap | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0.06F capacitor | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka 60000uF | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | doc: but originally n900s had lith bat? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | crap | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all dead after 1 year | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | then as i said, someone must've modded this n900 with cap | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | capacitors supposed to last "eternally" | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | unless it magically works after 4 years | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe he never used the device? | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | nope, it LOOKS used | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disassemble and check ;-) | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | maybe ill will if i get around replacing kb keys | 21:47 |
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| KotCzarny | still, im amazed i got fully working n900 for 25usd | 21:47 |
| Vajb | me too. Just spotted one for sale for 70Z | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:48 |
| Vajb | 70€ | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | ~bq2700 | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | ~bq2700.sh | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | what was the name? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail | 21:52 |
| infobot | bq27k-detail is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys bq27 | 21:53 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'bq27' by key (4): bq27k-detail ;; bq27k-calibration ;; calibratebq27200 ;; bq27200. | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | ~bq27200 | 21:53 |
| infobot | bq27k-detail is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | i was using different script | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see the dir ot's in there too | 21:54 |
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| KotCzarny | one using i2cget | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they prolly all do | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | bq27200.sh | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | thats the one | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | btw. mine has RS=20 there | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | what's that param? | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | - DCC CHAT (WBOARD) request from DocScrutinizer05 rejected because it specified reserved port | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | number (0) [0] | 21:57 |
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| KotCzarny | just use query i guess | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | /query | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ECLICK | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: RS=shunt resistor in milliOhms | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | bq27200.sh on your site has -22 there | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that seems accurate walue and results in 10% different results | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | howeve ryou can override it by using RS=55555 bq27200.sh iirc | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, thx for the link | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RS=${RS:-22} | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means it assigns 22 to RS var only if there's no RS already existing | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so a | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RS=20 bq27200.sh | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will override that | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the good old method of parameter passing from unix plaeozen | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when processes knew shit about argc and argv | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (disclaimer: maybe I'm making this up right now ;-D ) | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | amazing, this n900 has battery with lmd: 1242 | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | cool | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | ci:0 | 22:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: will the neo900 have 3d touch | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5D | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | ~speedyham | 22:12 |
| infobot | speedyham is, like, 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | why its not in stable repo? | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | (cssu-stable) | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it? | 22:14 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: will it have 4k video | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/ returns 404 | 22:14 |
| kerio | and a rose metal finish | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: pinkphone? | 22:14 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: "hey ladies come buy our iphone it's pink now" - apple | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | 'hey ladies, check our multiple vibra patterns' | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | 3D vibra | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: please check website under "specs" | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | no other phone has it | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | and a special waterproof finish | 22:16 |
| kerio | i'm pretty sure that the n900's touch screen has some form of pressure sensor | 22:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is too busy for such games and heads on doing some more pressing stuff, while discarding resilts of apt-cache policy hildon-application-manager | 22:18 | |
| KotCzarny | heh | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | why is it named hildon-application-manager and not speedyham? | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/ | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | he he. 'root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.' | 22:22 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, can catalog details be edited in ham/speedyham? | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | field light up, cursor shows but i cant enter text | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | do i have to delete and recreate ? | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | doc, i found it, just thought its named speedyham (so i was trying apt-get install speedyham) | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yiou can't edit or delete base catalogs | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | so i have to simply disable them and create muarf ones? | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if you even can disable them | 22:35 |
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| KotCzarny | its annoying to see 'some catalogs failed to refresh' | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | but i must say speedyham does its job nicely | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list et al | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | and n900 as a whole works wonderfully | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody complaining about N900 being slow or battery-greedy shal STFU unless they installed CSSU | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | nope, stock works wonderfully too | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU has many fixes for nasty bugs | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | also, this partcilular one has cssu-thumb enabled | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stock works until you for example install apmefo and the display manager starts buncing up and down the scrollwindow a 500 times a second by exactly zero pixels | 22:50 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i installed cssu but the neo900 is still too expensive for me :'( | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: so? | 22:50 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: it happens | 22:51 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm sad :( | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't help | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well,maybe I can, once we built them | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | btw. what does blinking white led mean in cssu? | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blinking white? never seen | 22:53 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: at this point i'm hoping for some rich dude to buy one, get disappointed and sell it on ebay for cheap | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware there's a thing called LED-pattern-editor? | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | doc, i'm new at this whole n900 maemo thing | 22:54 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: reflash dat shit really | 22:54 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: "new" ?! | 22:54 |
| kerio | and install cssu-thumb | 22:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | i have cssu-thumb | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you have rubbish somebody else installed | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | and cssu-testing | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, just playing with it now | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | reflashing will start after weekend | 22:54 |
| kerio | the fuck | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | is there a way to shutoff gsm module and leave wifi enabled? | 22:55 |
| kerio | reflashing takes literally | 22:55 |
| kerio | like | 22:55 |
| kerio | 20 seconds? | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and extremely deprecated approach | 22:55 |
| bencoh | kerio: maybe he just want to explore the device the way the previous user left it :) | 22:55 |
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| bencoh | like, you know, discover how other people use it :) | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | and see if its stable | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | repos were a mess | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: yes, it's called tablet-mode but you don't want to install that to a device with rubbish on rootfs | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | having skeiron ones and even skeiron extras-devel | 22:56 |
| bencoh | doesnt tablet-mode disable wireless in maemo? | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's aitrplane mode | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | 'offline mode' to be exact | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | someone should rename it to 'airplane mode' he he | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, it's avi-invocation away | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a vi invocation... | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | doc, i mean in deb in repo | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why the heck would we do that? | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | to be consistent with other mobiles? | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to give everybody the "WTF they did *now*?" of the month? | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:59 |
| bencoh | :)) | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we don't *want* to be fucking consistent with other crap | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get crap when you want to be cosistent with crap | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | isnt nokia's most of the ui barfs came from being consistent? | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | pity i cant change what it was called in symbian | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | s/change/check/ | 23:00 |
| infobot | KotCzarny meant: pity i cant check what it was called in symbian | 23:00 |
| bencoh | oh, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/cell-modem-ui/ ... okay :) | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: nic | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | e | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GO FOR | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 23:02 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !!! | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | easy, this baby wlll get a hell of flashing soon | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make a backup of current system if you're eafer to do forensics | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eager even | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you live in a new flat for 3 months with the old wallpapers to get an idea how the former resident felt, before you refurbish it? | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | this device is gonna be called n900-devel | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | which means it will be flashed often | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | its not my main phone | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | sim card has voice disabled, and data is free | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme put it this way: maybe former owner had a reason to sell the device and that reason was somehow related to the software he installed | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | doc, for 25usd i would expect heavy breakage | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | yet, everything seems to be working | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | only thing that was also in ad is missing cover magnet | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, probanly he got a malware that exposed him to flickr in a very intimidating situation | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | which results in mmc not mounting (which previous owner didnt realize was easy to fix) | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, install BM (when it's not already in there, which I actually doubt) make a BM backup and then FLASH that thing to stock | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 23:08 |
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| KotCzarny | ill be tinkering with nand and rootfs on it, so bm is not needed | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | ill flash it next week | 23:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: he put his fucking sim card in | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | just exploring new device from 'new user view' | 23:09 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: IT'S NOT NEW | 23:09 |
| NIN101 | you guys should learn to calm down. | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | its not fucking sim, 512kbit is not enough for redtube | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, from old user perspective. Well, I can't help then. It's *your* complete fun that goes down the drain | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: LOL | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | seriously, you guys are ocd or what? | 23:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 muses over >>ill be tinkering with nand and rootfs on it, so bm is not needed<< and wonders if it's worth trying to make sense of that statement | 23:12 | |
| KotCzarny | doc: this wont be my main device, only dev tool | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BM is pure GOLD particularly for devel devices | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | not in my case | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | i'll be going for different boot/rootfs setup | 23:14 |
| bencoh | 23:09 < NIN101> you guys should learn to calm down. | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? | 23:14 |
| bencoh | +1 :-) | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | so ^ | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I'm afk, this is futile useless waste of time | 23:14 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: it's not a waste of time, just exposing different viewpoits :) | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another word for "wasting time" | 23:15 |
| bencoh | mwarf :) | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "I didn't make backups of those drawings, they were not finished yet, I still tested various alternatives" | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware you should make backups even of broken system before restoring another backup to unbreak? | 23:18 |
| kerio | i wonder if my laptop can fastcharge the n900 | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're further aware there's a thing like partial restore? And BM backups are mere tarballs that could resore one file or a complete system incl all customization? | 23:20 |
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| KotCzarny | doh, doc, you dont know what i'll be doing, yet, you try to bully your (one and only) point of view | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know you could even create a fiasco image from a BM backup file? And then flash that | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | bm is fine, but i dont need it | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | not yet | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not bullying, just "exposing different viewpoits" | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | difference between exposing and forcing your view with shouting is quite visible | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, I noticed weeks ago that KotCzarny is particularly immune to advice based on experience | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how could I *force* anything except kicks in IRC? | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | you arent aware what you are doing, are you? | 23:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wosign offers 3-year ssl certs for free! | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | are you miffing me for tlaking as much as you usually do? | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | good tech, but quirky social/communicative skills | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm elaborating on BM features. Do you see sth different? | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | yes, i've said i dont need it yet, but you ignored that part | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I#m telling you that you'll miss all the fun when you play with a used toothbrush | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can ignore you any time I like | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to do the same. Wait, you more often than not already do | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | doc, its your opinion, i know what im doing, do you know what everyone is doing? | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *plonk* | 23:27 |
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| bencoh | erf | 23:28 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 finally needs to stop headdesking about "backups are useless for my special case. I want to tinker with NAND, you know" | 23:42 | |
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| KotCzarny | you worry too much | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | and about things that didnt happen | 23:45 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, original back cover is ~3usd | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | splitting magnets is hard to get right | 23:48 |
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| KotCzarny | as for the white blink, its 'device on' pattern | 23:58 |
| * KotCzarny unticks | 23:58 | |
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