IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2015-09-08

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Oksanastryngs: I am currently trying out 2.8.6 (as it is in repos), just to make sure it is possible to build binary deb on-device. Current problem is, the libtool looks for sed in /scratchbox/tools/bin. I am trying to work around it, but it will be modification of libtool (if I manage to get it working, I should somehow put patched-for-device libtool into Extras repositories, or at least...02:34
Oksana...Extras-devel; currently libtool in Extras seems to be same as libtool in SDK repos, but that may need further looking into).02:34
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stryngsOksana: It works I promise02:41
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stryngsOksana: I'm testing a new build right now, as soon as it builds and boots; I'll get with you on what you need.  I successfully built xchat with zero issues on the n900 earlier today.02:42
stryngsOksana: This is also the reason I push for unification =-).  I.e.  I can run dh-make on my n900, whereas, others, cannot.02:43
OksanaThank you ;-) /wondering how you got libtool to use /bin/sed .../02:45
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stryngsOksana: lots of hard work and hackery =)02:47
OksanaHopefully, that's proper kind of hackery ;-) Because somebody will want to put sed into /usr/bin/sed , and what then?..02:48
* Oksana thinks that "normally" $PATH variable would have solved that, but there was probably some problem with that in scratchbox which caused $SED to be hardcoded...02:49
stryngsOksana: truth be told, fixing scratchbox issues was something I did long ago, I'll have to consult my notes, but I do have handy premade .debs02:50
stryngsOksana: I've roughly an hour to two hours for this testbuild.  But I will get you answers02:52
stryngsOksana: 2.8.8 builds just fine, fyi.02:53
OksanaThank you :-) And please, put debs (for such things as libtool working on-device) into repositories (you can get it into Extras-devel even without being a maintainer, as far as I remember), including source debs02:53
stryngsOksana: Maemo wouldn't take my debs, as I only do prefix=/usr02:53
stryngsOksana: No optification takes place, thus it would fill your hdd.02:54
OksanaNot exactly hard disk drive, but point taken...02:54
stryngsOksana: However, if the .debs were already in /opt, then yer probably good.02:55
* Oksana wonders what would happen if somebody put /usr inside /opt before installing your deb... Or is it completely filesystem-breaking?02:55
stryngsOksana: my /usr is in /opt =)02:55
stryngsOksana: Sort of.... I do bindmounts02:56
stryngsSo it's on the same space that /opt is02:56
stryngsI also rock a 9gb /opt partition02:56
* Oksana doesn't mess with filesystem. It's troublesome enough when there is fsck of MyDocs at each reboot, taking up to 5 minutes. It does the same thing every time, according to logs, so apparently it's _not_ fixing whatever errors it sees.02:58
stryngsOksana: I have none of those issues.02:59
OksanaWell, I have yet to solder back microUSB port, so I have to shut-down-replace-battery-start-up fairly often. Add to that that I tried to recover filesystem on a corrupted microSD card, and the files copied from it may contribute to 'corruption' of MyDocs. And my phone was required by one repairer as water-damaged as a way to refuse repairing its microUSB port.03:02
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Oksanadescribed* by one repairer03:02
OksanaSo yes, I can use neither map, nor camera, during first five minutes after start-up. At least, I can use email - it's stored in /home/user - as long as home is not too full03:05
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KotCzarnyoksana: mkdir -p /scratchbox; ln -s /usr /scratchbox/tools05:06
KotCzarnymight work, might not05:06
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DocScrutinizer05yes, this is a very reasonable sugestion06:15
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DocScrutinizer05Oksana: (fsck) copy all your data from MyDocs to uSD, then do a mkfs.vfat on that partition and copy back all the stuff from uSD06:22
DocScrutinizer05and probably you should give device enough time to shut down. you must not remove batery as soon as the LED fades to dark, device will stay powered and shutting down quite a few dozen seconds longer than that06:23
DocScrutinizer05tip: edit LED pattern for shutdown so it doesn't end with a dark LED bit maybe a dim white LED. This way you see exactly how long the device stays on after shutdown start06:25
DocScrutinizer05s/ bit / but /06:25
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: tip: edit LED pattern for shutdown so it doesn't end with a dark LED but maybe a dim white LED. This way you see exactly how long the device stays on after shutdown start06:25
DocScrutinizer05N900/Nokia did massive cheating here ;-)06:26
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DocScrutinizer05until you've edited your shutdown LED pattern: *shortly* (<0.5s) pressing the power button will do nothing as long as device still is shutting down in "act-totally-dead" mode with dark LEDs, and after shutdown and power-off actually finished, it results in short lighting up of LED. Device does _not_ power up when you press button very shortly06:28
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KotCzarnydoc, i think that led tip should be implemented for all07:03
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KotCzarnyif it really powersdown so long07:04
Vajbfurther observation of Qml-browser in m.facebook.com. It actually opens inbox, but not individual messages. It just shows white screen, if message is clicked to open, from inbox.07:13
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* Oksana has already edited LED pattern to cycling-infinitely one (green-purple-white), precisely for that reason . However, the device tends to restart instead of shut-down, after a power-button-long-press, which is trying for my patience09:33
ceeneOksana: why dont you manually fsck your MyDocs partition and fix whatever is wrong?09:34
ceenemy n900 restarts too frequently instead of shutting down09:35
OksanaProbably will. Not sure which switches to use. Currently, according to logs, it uses -a switch09:35
OksanaIs it some dirt stuck in power-key, or what could be the reason for restart instead of shut-down?09:36
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ceenedunno09:44
ceenei've tried lots of things but never reached any conclusion09:44
ceenerun fsck without options, fsck /dv/whatever, it'll ask you to decide how to fix things09:47
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* Maxdamantus wonders if his SD card has run out of write cycles or something.10:43
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MaxdamantusApparently unable to write anything to it on multiple devices .. the next read just comes back with its previous contents.10:43
MaxdamantusMaybe that's what was causing my system to crash, not the ext4 driver.10:46
Maxdamantus(that card has been used for swap for a year or so)10:46
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KotCzarnyhmm11:09
KotCzarnyisnt longpress similar to 4s power button on pc?11:11
KotCzarnyie. immediate poweroff instead of powerdown call?11:11
KotCzarnyand if so, maybe it powersoff then button is still kept and wakes the device11:11
MaxdamantusI don't think so.11:11
MaxdamantusI think it still relies on software. I've sometimes had to just push the battery out when it crashes.11:12
KotCzarnyanother guess would be shutdown reason not being saved, and n900 never really powersoff just goes into 'hidden sleep' mode and it interprets is as a reboot call11:12
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shapeshifterDo you fellas know if callerx (the call blocking app) is any good?13:41
KotCzarnyjust try it?13:41
KotCzarnyi've only used pycallblock or something13:42
KotCzarnyit had some problems not remembering numbers after reboot13:42
shapeshifterI constantly get calls from a bunch of number blocks. I'm trying it now. Hoping it supports wildacards13:45
KotCzarnydoes it have any manual?13:45
shapeshifterNo. I looked at the source. Seems like it should work for prefix wildcards14:02
shapeshifterBecause it uses callerNumber.startsWith(blacklistNumber)14:02
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ceenehow come people are not receiving messages sent to them on Yappari?16:12
ceenei'm as perplex as anyone16:13
KotCzarnyignore lists?16:13
KotCzarnysome settings?16:13
KotCzarnyprotocol changes?16:13
ceeneyappari doesn't filter out messages16:13
ceeneand I do receive everything sent to me16:13
KotCzarnybut server can16:13
ceenedunno16:14
ceenea friend of mine16:14
ceenehas a very different problem16:14
ceenehe and her gf use official whatsapp clients16:14
ceenebut a third person seems to be able to read what they talk about16:14
KotCzarny:)16:14
ceeneand to speak to him as if he were the gf16:14
ceenei was supposed to help him since i'm the wa "expert"16:15
KotCzarnyone of them logged to him? joined him into three-way room?16:15
ceenebut WA doesn't support several connections at the same time16:15
ceenenope, the messages this third person sends look like sent from the gf16:15
ceeneas if he had control of the gf's phone16:15
KotCzarnymaybe she logged in on his computer16:15
ceenebut the phone has been flashed and all that16:16
KotCzarnytell her to change the password16:16
ceeneyep, I told her to change passwords and re-register on whatsapp16:16
ceenebut it's got me confused16:16
ceenehe shouldn't be able to login with another phone posing as her16:17
KotCzarnyhttp://www.spymasterpro.com/blog/how-to-check-my-husbands-whatsapp-chats/16:17
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KotCzarnyhe he16:17
ceenei thought about that, but her phone has been flashed, so there are no backdoors16:17
KotCzarnymaybe its the other person device?16:17
ceeneit's quite strange16:18
KotCzarnydoes wa have status page about all logins and connected sessions?16:18
ceenemmmmm16:18
ceenedon't know about that16:18
ceenemaybe16:18
ceenei was a bit more drastic and told him to report it to the police16:18
ceene:)16:18
KotCzarny:)16:18
ceenebut anyway, the tecnichal aspect of the thing has got me confused16:19
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bencoh16:14 < ceene> but a third person seems to be able to read what they talk about16:40
bencohceene: isnt it just some silly stupid conversation group artefact?16:40
ceenebencoh: nope16:43
ceenethe strangest thing of all16:43
ceeneis the 3rd person sends messages16:44
ceenebut look like sent from the gf16:44
KotCzarnythen he is logged as her16:44
ceeneyep, so it seems16:44
ceenebut that simply can't be, can it?16:44
KotCzarnychanging pass should fix it16:44
ceeneWA doesn't allow two clients connected at the same time16:44
KotCzarnyhmm16:44
ceeneso even if this guy could login as her and send messages as her16:45
ceenehe couldn't read past conversations16:45
ceeneso he must be intercepting them in real time16:45
bencohor someone is doing a prank on him16:45
ceenei don't think so, the thing seems a bit... serious16:46
ceenehe seems to randomly stalk her as well, so it's definitely not a joke between friends16:47
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KotCzarnybut if she reflashed as you've said, then there is only possibility of: compromised router (at her or his place), multiple logins or the guys client16:48
ceeneyep16:48
ceenei believe the multiple logins things may be it16:48
ceenebut as far as i know it shouldn't be possible16:49
ceenein the meantime, i've just recommended them to re-register her phone number on WA, even asking for a SIM duplicate with a different IMSI16:49
KotCzarnyalso, you can try sending mail to staff at WA16:49
ceenedo they answer?16:49
ceenei've never talked to them16:49
KotCzarnyemails are cheap16:49
ceene:)16:49
ceenethat's very true16:50
KotCzarnyalso, legal action can be nice motivation16:50
ceeneyes, the situation seems to be such that i wouldn't care a lot about the WA thing, his appearing randomly at my job or my house seem much more frightening16:50
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Vajbshapeshifter: i use callerx in whitelist mode, but it is not too convenient. Sometimes it just blocks all calls without me changing anything. So i need to make disable-enable cycle once a day to prevent that. It's somewhat annying though.17:24
KotCzarnylol17:27
stryngsOksana: All tests proved successful, doing last last flash to ensure stability and then I will provide you with the .deb you need.  I'll even go above and make it optified for ya =)17:27
stryngsOksana: Sorry for the long delay, a flash can take time sometimes =)17:27
KotCzarnyits irc17:29
KotCzarnyits normal here17:29
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erlehmannDocScrutinizer05 you were right, it was the cable18:21
erlehmanni got a new one and the n900 works18:21
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stryngsHas anyone flashed recently and gone to CSSU lately??  Would love to know the ETA from begin to end .20:47
KotCzarnyim going when my n900 arrives20:50
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totalizatorKotCzarny: oh? another sheep in a flock?20:58
KotCzarny:)20:58
KotCzarnywent ahead and bought two more20:58
totalizator@__@20:58
KotCzarnyone will be called testing and one devel20:58
KotCzarny;)20:58
totalizatoror Beavis and Butt-head :320:59
KotCzarnyyou forgot about the third one20:59
totalizatorMOM.20:59
KotCzarnyi was wondering abouth fourth but it was sold quickly (30pln+shipping)21:00
totalizatorwwwhat?21:00
KotCzarnyyup, olx21:00
totalizatorin what condition?21:00
totalizatorworking?21:00
KotCzarnyi think it was working, dont remember the breakage21:00
KotCzarnybut devel worthy21:01
KotCzarnyi would have flashed living sh*t out of it :P21:01
totalizatorwell, all spare parts I've got is a plastic keyboard border21:01
totalizatorI bet you would :321:02
KotCzarnythe ones i bough are 150pln (fully working but swedish) and 90pln (sd slot dead)21:02
KotCzarny*bought21:02
totalizatorgosh - still a bargain21:02
KotCzarnyyup21:02
KotCzarnygood usb slot and all21:02
KotCzarnyif you know a little soldering you can have one for 59pln i think21:03
KotCzarnystill available i guess21:03
KotCzarnyahm, no, broken screen21:03
KotCzarnythere is one for 100 with broken sim port21:04
KotCzarny(or modem)21:04
totalizatornot interested at the moment - I have one N800 and one N900, both gathering dust now21:04
KotCzarnywanna sell your n900?21:04
totalizatoryou have asked before hyhy21:04
totalizatornot much has changed21:04
KotCzarnyjust in case you change your mind21:04
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totalizatordon't be cruel21:05
totalizatorI would never do such monstrosity21:05
KotCzarnybtw. you can try http://www.netsurf-browser.org/about/21:05
KotCzarnydidnt compile it yet, but looks promising21:05
totalizatorI had NS compiled for a framebuffer once21:06
KotCzarnyPeople also use NetSurf on other handheld gadgets, such as the Openmoko mobile phone and the Nokia N810 internet tablet21:07
KotCzarnyhmm21:07
KotCzarnynot in repos tho21:08
totalizatorgot it - netsurf-framebuffer: http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7363/netsurfframebuffer1.png http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/820/netsurfframebuffer2.png21:08
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totalizatorperformance has to be pretty bad unfortunately21:09
KotCzarnyi have high hopes in it in gtk mode21:09
totalizatorI doubt it21:10
totalizatorbut hey - let's checkt this out21:10
KotCzarnyanyway, my n900 just left jelenia gora, maybe ill start devving tomorrow21:10
KotCzarnycan't wait21:10
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stryngsOksana: When you get a moment, please PM me.21:24
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totalizatordev it a warm welcome :322:14
DocScrutinizer05?22:14
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totalizator→ KotCzarny22:18
bencohhtml4/css2 and a nightly js engine ... hmm22:19
bencoh(the js engine is quite new and makes it an interesting alternative to dillo though)22:20
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KotCzarnytotalizator: what do you mean by 'warm' ?22:23
totalizator900MHz minimum22:26
totalizator[I have to stop it - my jokes are always so low :D]22:26
KotCzarny:)22:28
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WizzupManaged to start x on the mainline n900 as well - had trouble with gprs and ofono though23:35
Wizzupnokia-modem probes with an error23:35
Wizzupwill elaborate a bit more later23:35
Wizzups/mainline/pali's mainline + patches kernel/23:35
KotCzarnygood new bad news23:36
erlehmannWizzup what are you trying?23:36
KotCzarnymost likely a native gentoo23:36
KotCzarnyhe he23:36
Wizzupyes :)23:37
Wizzuptouchscreen also seemed to work - but not calibrated yet23:37
Wizzuperlehmann: I am trying to get the kernel from elinux.org/N900 to work good enough for a normal gnu/linux23:37
erlehmann\o/23:37
WizzupI mean, I am just playing around / testing. (Many) other people did the hard work on the kernel23:37
Wizzupnext step is to check if audio still needs some high pass filter, see if audio works, then try gprs again23:38
NIN101good luck :-).23:40
* Sicelo last played with 3.15. gprs/3g worked fine with debian & arch23:40
KotCzarny3.15 might be new enough for recent glibc23:40
* Sicelo should stop being lazy & get back to hacking too23:42
KotCzarny:)23:42
Sicelowhen i got 2nd N900, that was the idea, but now using it as a 2nd daily phone23:43
KotCzarnybuy another!23:43
Sicelocan't afford one from overseas .. haven't seen one locally. if one turns up, definitely buying it23:44
Sicelousb broken ones i can negotiate down ;)23:44
KotCzarnywhich country?23:45
SiceloSouth Africa23:45
Siceloor Swaziland (my home country).23:45
KotCzarnyhmm, a bit to the south23:45
Siceloi'll just have to make the best of the 2 i already have23:48
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* stryngs pokes Oksanaa with a rusty butterknife23:55
WizzupSicelo: yeah, wrt gprs I think some gpio definitions are missing23:56
Wizzupat least that is what the nokia-modem module complains about. but like I said - to be continued later23:57
Wizzupbeen a long day :)23:57

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