IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2015-09-03

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DocScrutinizer05kerio: (charging, ENUM) I guess I might have been wrong - connecting N900 to a standard "output" (without data connectivity) of a USB Ampere meter shows it's starting to charge with ~700mA. It also has detected and is signaling charging state02:03
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erlehmannDocScrutinizer05 btw, my n900 routinely takes its time to update battery status02:06
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger02:06
erlehmannlike, when it is empty and then i charge it and take it off the charger02:06
erlehmannit does know then that it charges or not02:06
erlehmannbut … it takes minutes to update the battery meter from red to green02:07
DocScrutinizer05stock BME?02:07
erlehmannmay be the reason that it isn't!02:08
erlehmanni will look into it02:08
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DocScrutinizer05mine is showing animation during charging and when I unplug it, it usually shows quite a bit higher charge than before I plugged it in and charging started - even when charging was a few minutes only02:09
DocScrutinizer05of course when it finishes charging, the animation stops and a full green battery icon is shown instead02:10
DocScrutinizer05even when I don't unplug02:11
DocScrutinizer05there are 8 "bars" aka green levels of battery that are sequentially shown in anim02:11
erlehmannhow far is the effort to replace non-free components?02:11
DocScrutinizer05good question02:12
infobotclosed is, like, or, or
infobotfptf is probably the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see
erlehmannbtw, is it possible to be in irc with telepathy-idle without getting a notification for every single message?02:17
DocScrutinizer05sorry I got no better answer02:17
DocScrutinizer05kerio: nope, again wrong (about being wrong) - actually when D+- isn't shorted then the N900 does not charge *at all*02:27
DocScrutinizer05iw akes up from screenlock on unplug bot pretends to not even recognize plugin resp applying 5V VBUS02:28
DocScrutinizer05it wakes*02:29
DocScrutinizer05the 100mA max are prolly only when you boot up the device from power-off by plugging in the charger with no D+- short02:30
DocScrutinizer05and maybe only until linux and BME are started02:30
DocScrutinizer05also the wakeup on unplug is not really reliable, only happens sometimes02:31
DocScrutinizer05pretty weird02:33
* DocScrutinizer05 needs a decent static USB analyzer02:36
DocScrutinizer05sth like those old TAE phone jack testers02:37
* DocScrutinizer05 starts to doubt if this universal power supply actually has open circuit D+- on the USB jack02:38
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ecc3gand then we have those 9V USB chargers with active circuitry... and it will also short out D+- ...02:43
ecc3ghmmm come to think of it, how do they work... wondering if it treats USB as half duplex during charge negotiation so regular 5V USB will charge fine02:46
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DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: hm? you lost me02:55
DocScrutinizer05never heard of 9V USB chargers02:56
ecc3gthere's a new standard that a cellphone can negotiate a charger to dump out 9V instead of 5V02:58
ecc3gso you can get 18W of power through no more than 2A02:58
ecc3gof course it has to deal with legacy devices to not send more than 5V02:58
ecc3gneeds a chip in the charger.  Forgot who has it, probably patented...02:59
DocScrutinizer05yeah I know of 30V-USB02:59
DocScrutinizer05negotiates voltage on a protocol level02:59
ecc3gwho holds the standard on that?03:00
ecc3gand what devices use that now?03:03
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DocScrutinizer05and of course you got those weird critters:
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ecc3gyes...  at least you shouldnt have to worry about plugging in a 5V device into the wrong socket there... or at least I'd hope not03:05
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ecc3gAhh qualcomm has the patent03:06
ecc3gbut what about the 30V?03:07
ecc3gis that 12V/24V that same standard?03:08
DocScrutinizer05no, that's standard USB with piggybacked 12V or 24V high power jack03:09
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DocScrutinizer05can't find the dang article about that planned new 30V USB stuff03:10
ecc3gwonder why they didnt go to that, must be around 10 phones or so now with 9V charge now...03:11
ecc3gthen again, phone batteries dont hold all that much, charging at more than 2C probably isnt conducive to long life.03:12
ecc3g30V great for laptops, perhaps03:13
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DocScrutinizer05I think they specified that to catch up with firewire03:15
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ecc3galas the possible voltage range of 1394 may require large inductors that cant be afforded by phones?03:15
DocScrutinizer05umm, how are inductors relevant, particularly size?03:21
ecc3gneed switching supplies03:21
DocScrutinizer051394=firewire, right?03:21
DocScrutinizer05nope, size of inductor is not related to input voltage of a buck converter03:22
DocScrutinizer05only indirectly03:22
ecc3gcurrent of output03:22
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DocScrutinizer05well, yes. you need a larger inductor to store more energy per cycle, at a given frequency of e.g. 1MHz03:23
DocScrutinizer05so higher output *power*, the higher the product of frequency*inductorsize03:24
DocScrutinizer05unrelated to input voltage though03:24
DocScrutinizer05also unrelated to output voltage03:24
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DocScrutinizer05but yes, the voltage *range* the power-receiving device needs to deal with has some impact on general complexity and efficacy of the converter03:47
DocScrutinizer05so for a phone that doesn't need to full power blast of 30V, a 9V is probably an ideal compromise. And also maybe they had a predecessor of that 30V-spec for this particular usecase - actually they must have since I think the 30V is a proposal still and not yet officially in use03:50
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DocScrutinizer05ecc3g:  "up to 100W"03:57
DocScrutinizer05I guess that must have been it03:57
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DocScrutinizer05ok, here we are (20V, not 30):
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OksanaaHow to add source URIs to sources.list ? Would something like 'Components: free source ' work?04:16
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DocScrutinizer05man 5 sources.list04:32
OksanaaTrying apt-get source xchatl Apt-get says to add source URIs to sources.list. Is it possible to do it through default app manager?04:33
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DocScrutinizer05HAM is not really compatible with apt, it has additional concepts of grpups or somesuch04:35
DocScrutinizer05also note that HAM doesn't edit /etc/apt/sources.list but /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list04:37
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OksanaaSo if I add a line to sources.list, it will not be lost? How many mistakes in: source fremantle free04:39
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DocScrutinizer05I'm no expert but I'd think it should be deb-source fremantle free non-free04:42
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DocScrutinizer05and yes, probably add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list so apt-get sees it - I'm not sure about that though04:43
DocScrutinizer05maybe you could try adding it to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/oksana.list04:44
DocScrutinizer05(no kidding)04:44
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DocScrutinizer05from manpage examples:  deb-src file:/home/jason/debian unstable main contrib non-free04:45
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DocScrutinizer05so you simply duplicate the line and add a "-src" to make it read "deb-src"04:46
OksanaaThank you! apt-get does see it from sources.list And I will continue going without non-free component of repos ;-)04:47
DocScrutinizer05deb fremantle-1.3 free non-free  ->  deb-src fremantle-1.3 free non-free04:48
* Oksanaa is running aptitude update now, so that apt-get source xchat would work; sources are being fetched, so deb-source fremantle free is nice04:51
DocScrutinizer05two noobs figured it :-D04:52
svetlanaThat friggin' thing is a full-blown smart computer!04:53
OksanaaThank you! Between source, deb-source, and src, I would have likely missed deb-src04:53
OksanaaWhy mention Frigga?04:53
DocScrutinizer05svetlana: you bet it is - it beats my year-2000 Pentium-II PC hands down04:56
DocScrutinizer05well, not really, at least after I upgraded that one to sth like 496MB RAM04:57
DocScrutinizer05and the 300MHz were on par with an ARM@500MHz04:58
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DocScrutinizer05I think I only had a 20GB HDD04:59
DocScrutinizer05if at all04:59
OksanaaDid something happen with imgur? Trying to share a picture on it I get Transfer failed. Unable to continue05:02
DocScrutinizer05share services have a hard time lately05:02
DocScrutinizer05wstaw failed weeks ago05:02
OksanaaLaws everywhere, especially against anonymity?05:02
DocScrutinizer05nah, I guess DOA attacks05:03
DocScrutinizer05even privatepase is borked05:03
OksanaaOuch... What about picpaste?05:04
DocScrutinizer05dunno picpaste05:04
DocScrutinizer05used to use, which seems to have recovered05:05
DocScrutinizer05:-D05:05 however is still down05:05
DocScrutinizer05or changed protocol or whatever05:05
DocScrutinizer05kde pastebin applet05:07
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DocScrutinizer05kde pastebin plasmoid ;-)05:09
OksanaaWhy does aptitude want to uninstall status-area-orientationlock-applet at every turn?05:11
OksanaaWhy are dpkg-dev, perl and such untrusted packages? Ah, mirror repos...05:13
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DocScrutinizer05Oksanaa: (uninstall orientationlock) maybe because it got removed from metapackage?05:21
DocScrutinizer05I zhink it's a normal package now that you can install or de-install to your liking05:22
DocScrutinizer05once it been in metapkg05:22
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OksanaaOkay... What's the fish with failing to check downloaded files? gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Can't exec "sha256sum": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/ line 92.05:24
DocScrutinizer05what it says05:24
stryngs21:54 < OneM_Industries> Dang, I think we all need to vote on this. Basically, the FCC wants to make it impossible to put third party or free  software on anything that can use bluetooth or wireless.05:24
DocScrutinizer05Can't exec "sha256sum"05:25
DocScrutinizer05less +"92g" /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Checksums.pm05:26
OksanaaOkay, then cannot industry take the most commonly used bluetooth chip, and hire ethical hackers to find 1001 critical bugs in their code?05:27
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OksanaaAs a show-case about third parties being essential requirement for any kind of security?05:28
stryngsIf you have a Twitter, help to get the word out.  #SaveWifi is the tag.05:32
OksanaaOkay, will lhc provide sha256sum program, or do I have to get busybox-power?05:37
DocScrutinizer05GNU coreutils05:39
DocScrutinizer05nevermind messybox-power05:39
DocScrutinizer05though I guess I got it from binutils prolly05:40
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# which sha256sum05:44
Oksanaabusybox conflicts coreutils. So, how?05:44
DocScrutinizer05I thought they fixed that05:45
DocScrutinizer05anyway I guess I installed them via dpkg and I made sure they install into /usr/bin/gnu/*05:48
OksanaaTrying coreutils-gnu05:48
DocScrutinizer05ooh yeah05:49
DocScrutinizer05anyway while you're at it:
DocScrutinizer05and fix your $PATH05:54
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# echo $PATH05:55
OksanaaThere are pastebins for text, images, small videos.... What about sound? Music notes?05:57
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# cat .bashrc05:57
DocScrutinizer05# ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for interactive shells.05:57
DocScrutinizer05PATH=$(echo $PATH|sed "s.:/usr/bin:.:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:.;s.:/usr/sbin:.:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:.")05:58
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KotCzarnyoksana: imgur is sometimes overloaded09:36
KotCzarnyand rightly so, its one of the best image sharers09:36
keriothe direct links to images usually work09:39
KotCzarnynot always09:43
KotCzarnysometimes even direct links time out09:43
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KotCzarnycurse of popularity09:43
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totalizatorbtw - any chance to make imgur share plugin for n900 auth capable?11:48
KotCzarnyanswer is: maybe, who is the maintainer/developer?11:48
totalizatordude, I'm a script kiddie not an archeologist11:49
KotCzarnyeven script kiddies grow up a little11:49
KotCzarnyif the need arises11:50
totalizatorargh, you got me11:50
KotCzarnyim compiling oscp for 64bit cygwin11:51
KotCzarnylets see how well it goes11:51
KotCzarnymaybe i will write proper makefile one day11:51
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totalizatorimpossible O__O12:02
totalizatorfingers crossed12:02
KotCzarnyi love fixing stuff by commenting code out, eh12:11
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buZzanyone been able to fix WPA Enterprise on Maemo ?12:12
buZzit seems to be lacking a anonymous identity field12:13
buZzthus our radius doesnt know where to auth me ;(12:13
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ceeneI'm quite happy with the new Yappari release13:20
ceenei've solved quite a few things13:20
ceenei still don't understand how people find my thread on the forums, are able to read the first post to find my email, replace the #@# by @ and write me emails, but they are still unable to clock on the links to download the fcking .deb files13:22
ceene*to click13:23
KotCzarnyput email under the deb?13:27
ceenethe deb files have my email as maintainer and all that13:30
ceenebut my email is only on the changelog13:30
ceeneI'd assume that people would read the fucking post13:31
KotCzarnyput the debs at the end of the post13:31
ceenebut no, there's some people with the ability to skim read everything to search for an email address and write me instead of reading13:31
ceenethey are highlighted, just below a big bold " LATEST VERSION: 2.0.16"13:32
ceenethe strangest thing of all is the people that ask me what "extras" is13:32
ceeneas if... i don't know, as if the n900 were a phone that was released yesterday13:32
KotCzarnyadd a link to:13:33
ceenethat, i find it amusing13:33
infobotfrom memory, extras is
infobotrumour has it, maemo-repos is
ceenebut... how people don't know about that?13:33
KotCzarnythere are still NEW n900 users, would you imagine?13:33
ceenei consider myself new, in fact13:33
ceenemy first and only n900 is from just a year and a half13:34
ceenebut i had read the full wiki and lots of forum threads before deciding to get one13:34
KotCzarnymy first and only n900 is from just a 6 years13:34
ceenei knew how to flash it before i had ever seen one13:34
KotCzarnymaybe people get them because they are cheap and have hw kb13:34
ceenei wouldn't get a 10 year old phone without knowing what it can and can't do13:34
KotCzarnyimagine that phrase 'n900 is cheap'13:35
ceenedunno, there are android phones for 60 euros13:35
Siceloceene: thanks for the new Yappari :)13:45
Siceloare you 100% sure? :-O  .... 18:27 < DocScrutinizer05> kerio: nope, again wrong (about being wrong) - actually when D+- isn't shorted then the N900 does not charge *at all*13:49
KotCzarnywouldnt that mean n900 would be picky about chargers?13:50
KotCzarnyi've used many kinds of chargers (even some cheapo ones) and it always worked fine13:50
KotCzarnyeven if samsungs complained/ignored13:50
ceeneSicelo: you're welcome :)13:51
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buZzKotCzarny: i'm one :P14:36
buZzfound a n800 in a pile of old hw14:36
buZzdont care about GSM/phone hw14:36
buZzbut love a nice PDA14:36
KotCzarnyn800 or n900?14:36
buZzomap2420 iirc14:36
KotCzarnymight i interest you in oscp?14:36
buZzOffensive Security Certified Professional (OSCP) Certification ?14:37
KotCzarnyold schol console player14:37
buZzhave a link? :)14:37
infoboti heard oscp is
buZzstill need to install diablo :)14:38
buZzimpressive format list KotCzarny14:38
KotCzarnymostly libav and modules14:38
KotCzarnyand midi14:38
buZzvery cute14:39
KotCzarnyn800's dpad works nicely for navigation14:40
buZzreally like the shape of device14:40
buZzsmaller than most modern 'cellphones'14:40
KotCzarnyi like the dual full size sd slots14:40
buZzyeah, but, does diablo support >8GB ?14:41
KotCzarnymost likely14:41
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KotCzarnyi think someone put 2x256G there14:41
KotCzarnycould require updated kernel14:41
KotCzarnyso flash to diablo14:41
buZzi will14:42
buZzafter work :P14:42
KotCzarnyi guess you would like console (local or via ssh) and/or remote interface of oscp14:42
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OksanaaI have done apt-get source as root, which has probably created confusing permissions. I am not yet at the stage to care...15:50
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buZzKotCzarny: nah even the maemo appearance looks good :)15:51
Wizzupwell, status update15:53
Wizzupit boots, like previously15:53
Wizzupusing usbnet + telnetd I have access now15:53
Wizzupbut mount still fails with 'invalid argument'15:53
Wizzupon all mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 partitions15:53
Wizzupand I don't see any more debug15:53
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WizzupI *CAN* reboot and pass debug to the kernel args15:53
Wizzupbut hoping I can do that runtime.15:53
KotCzarnydmesg ?15:53
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WizzupKotCzarny: nothing new is added after failed mounts15:57
Wizzupguess I have to reboot with debug params15:57
KotCzarnydmesg -s 999999|grep -i mmc15:57
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KotCzarnycheck for anything erranous15:57
WizzupKotCzarny: the problem is that the kernel writes nothing *new* to dmesg after a mou9nt15:57
WizzupI am already looking at dmesg15:57
KotCzarnycan you upload it somewhere?15:58
Wizzup# mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/root/16:00
Wizzupmount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/root/ failed: Invalid argument16:00
Wizzupthe same for all mmcblkXX devices16:00
KotCzarnydoes dd </dev/mmcblk0 >/tmp/ppp count=1 work?16:00
Wizzupand it is just not zeroes16:01
Wizzupnot just*16:01
KotCzarnytry adding -t vfat or -t ext4 ?16:02
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KotCzarnyand -o ro just in case16:03
Wizzupwill after the reboot16:05
KotCzarnyalso i wonder if this is related: [    6.973480] LUN: removable file: (no medium)16:06
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buZzhiya Wizzup :)16:10
WizzupKotCzarny: total pebcak16:15
Wizzupwill explain in a bit16:15
KotCzarnygood thing it works16:15
Wizzupnot yet16:16
Wizzupbut I didn't  cat arch/arm/boot/zImage arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dtb > zImage16:16
Wizzupafter a make16:16
Wizzupwas using old kernel16:16
Wizzupwith no ext4 support still16:16
KotCzarnybut vfat should work anyway16:17
KotCzarnymaybe driver just caches first 512kB of the device16:18
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WizzupI am such an idiot16:20
KotCzarnywell, since you've fixed it, your not such an idiot16:20
Wizzupthe hint came from cat /proc/partitions16:20
Wizzuphad no ext416:21
Wizzuptyped uname -a16:21
Wizzupsaw it was from 2 days ago16:21
KotCzarnyyeah, -t ext416:21
Wizzupthat was not required in the end16:22
Wizzupthe -t ext416:22
KotCzarnyyeah, but could explicitely tell you its not compiled in16:23
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WizzupKotCzarny: yep, it did16:26
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Wizzupalso works without initrd17:19
Wizzup! :)17:23
Wizzupwifi works too17:23
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Vajbpff 34th move checkmate17:30
Vajbsoon i will start to keep record17:30
Vajbthen i can be happy for breaking moves record :)17:31
Ras_OlderOh ffs my N900's battery is really starting to die. 1½ hours unused in my pocket and the charge had went steadily to zero according to BatteryGraph.. Should I now order that monster battery or just external portable battery pack :D17:35
KotCzarnymaybe something was running in the bg?17:36
Ras_Older well dunno that is bit pricey for my liking17:36
infobotwell, polarcell is BL-5J Replacement17:36
Wizzup+1 for those17:37
WizzupBought about 5 of those17:37
Wizzuppolarcell is good17:37
Ras_Olderah and its local brand too :'D17:38
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charlie79hello :)17:55
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WizzupLuke-Jr: I have a mainline kernel (4.1.0-rc4 from pali's repo) running gentoo on my n900 atm18:25
WizzupGoing to look at your wiki page later and see if I can get gprs and stuff to work18:25
bencohpali's repo is not mainline18:25
WizzupIt's close to mainline18:26
WizzupBut you're right.18:26
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Luke-JrWizzup: cool. seems that may be the only viable way to do Gentoo soon18:28
Luke-JrWizzup: my concern is that I don't want to lose full Maemo functioning :/18:28
WizzupI mean, I don't compile on the n900 (I have ARM machines that I can just chroot into the n900 sd card)18:28
WizzupLuke-Jr: this is on a sd card18:28
Wizzupmaemo still works fine18:28
Wizzup(although admittedly I am using a spare n900)18:29
Luke-JrWizzup: with the 4.1 kernel?18:29
Luke-Jreven GPRS, voice calls, etc?18:29
WizzupI need to test that. In theory it should work.18:29
WizzupI mean, I got it booting only just now. Wifi works. usb gadgets work.18:30
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WizzupI first want to get usb host to work, then I will look at gprs and stuff.18:30
Sicelohehe, Wizzup & Luke-Jr aren't on the same page afaict ..18:31
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SiceloWizzup: you're saying your Maemo is working with 4.1 kernel? 100%?18:31
WizzupI am not using maemo at all.18:31
WizzupI said gentoo was booting18:31
Luke-Jr[15:28:51] <Wizzup> maemo still works fine18:31
WizzupThere is also maemo on the device, that still works fine.18:32
WizzupYes... but not with that kernel18:32
WizzupI mean, I have not even tried18:32
WizzupBut I doubt t.18:32
Wizzupdoubt it18:32
WizzupAll /sys entries etc are different18:32
WizzupLet alone that 3d accel probably doesn't work18:32
WizzupI don't think maemo has a graceful fallback for that18:32
WizzupI plan to write my own ui18:32
Siceloyou want usb host in gentoo?18:33
Luke-JrWizzup: I want to be able to chroot maemo->gentoo. Which means Maemo needs to work 100% in whatever kernel I update to.18:34
Wizzupah, yeah, I don't care about that18:34
WizzupSicelo: yes, I want to get the usb host to work18:35
Wizzup(at some point)18:35
Palihi, sry but I do not have time now... nor in next three weeks18:38
WizzupPali: ah, no worries, I do not think I need your time :)18:43
WizzupI'm just happy with 4.1.0 booting18:43
Paliif you find some bugs, feel free to write patches and send them to specific linux kernel mailing list18:43
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DocScrutinizer05Ras_Older: BatteryGraph? tztztz. The tool that shows how it depletes the battery?19:22
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DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: ((Which means Maemo needs to work 100% in whatever kernel I update to.)) I don't know of a *single* OS that is capable to do that. Let alone maemo which has closed blobs19:26
DocScrutinizer05actually I highly doubnt a Gentoo compiled to work on a 4.x kernel would happily work on a 2.x kernel, and vice versa19:28
DocScrutinizer05I'm almost absolutely sure it won't19:28
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Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: as long as you don't go beyond glibc 2.19, it will19:30
DocScrutinizer05you *might* be able to create a unified rootfs when you have two particular kernel APIs that you want to make work in that (or out of that) OS. Linux is pretty flexible in that regard. A lot of work but can be done. Generic "works with all kernels" however: no way!19:30
DocScrutinizer05kernel devels have an annoying habit to never keep e.g. /sys/* and /dev/* paths stable19:33
DocScrutinizer05and for sure there's more than just that which you need to take care of19:33
DocScrutinizer05and then there's X11 and all the stuff on top of that19:34
DocScrutinizer05honestly kexec is your best bet19:35
DocScrutinizer05Ras_Older: use zzztop!19:44
DocScrutinizer05and even before that, use simple top to see which process gogs your CPU. Make sure your WLAN doesn't search for APs constantly. Stop resp quit all processes that constantly chat with internet (like skyhost aka skype)19:45
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: and even before that, use simple top to see which process hogs your CPU. Make sure your WLAN doesn't search for APs constantly. Stop resp quit all processes that constantly chat with internet (like skyhost aka skype)19:46
DocScrutinizer05make sure your USB isn't spinning busy in detecting attached hosts, or worse itself is trying to do hostmode19:46
DocScrutinizer05make sure you don't have constant audio streams that stream silence to the soundcard all the time19:47
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DocScrutinizer05since that keeps CPU busy and amplifiers and mixer and I2S active19:48
DocScrutinizer05close all browser windows since they nowadays *always* have some crappy JS that constantly hogs CPU even when the canvas isn't visible (aka app in background)19:49
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DocScrutinizer05some even have youtube-alike movies embedded, often for ads, which constantly do internet traffic which can cost a *lot* of battery, depending on your RAT (2G, 3G, WLAN, in no particular order)19:51
KotCzarnyaudio is easily detectably in top19:51
KotCzarnyas it churns the pulseaudio19:51
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Ras_OlderDocScrutinizer05: Thank you for the information! I'll try to monitor the situation without BatteryGraph next.21:57
DocScrutinizer05Ras_Older: lots of applets are known to be very poorly designed and hogging your battery21:57
DocScrutinizer05and prolly 2/3 of battery monitoring apps are actually the hugest drain for battery21:58
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DocScrutinizer05an app that displays a graph on wallpaper or in window and updates that graph 10 times per second even when not visible is clearly something that should get nuked from all devices and repositories22:00
DocScrutinizer05there are a stunning scary lot of such fubar applets and apps22:01
DocScrutinizer05weather apps that re-fetch the data from internet every time they gain focus resp visibility22:02
DocScrutinizer05clock and batterygraph apps that refresh with a 10Hz timer22:02
buZzawesome :P22:03
DocScrutinizer05and then there's all that "P2P" stuff that does a lot of internet chatting for no *good* reason and thus cuts through your battery by keeping the modem TX active all the time22:03
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KotCzarnybattery-eye is nice22:09
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DocScrutinizer05"nice" is not a relevant parameter here22:24
DocScrutinizer05not even as function cal ;-)22:25
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Siceloyou in-niced his connection!22:31
infobotSicelo meant: you un-niced his connection!22:31
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