IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2015-09-01

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KotCzarnyweird thing is that last time i did the same thing00:16
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KotCzarnyie. ran bq script with param and waiting for edv00:16
KotCzarnyand rate was ~100mA00:16
KotCzarnythis time it went under 3300mV and showed battery empty00:16
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axonsorry to ask, I have a question about falshing my n90000:38
axonI tried :00:39
axon"download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./"00:39
axonand got to the point where it says:00:39
axonplease remove battery from N900, then plug N900 to a primary (non-hub) USB jack of this PC. Then insert battery which should result in this script continuing...00:39
axonresetting r&d-mode and flags00:39
axonmaemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory00:39
axonmaemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory00:39
axonflashing rootfs...00:40
axonmaemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory00:40
axonsorry, flashing RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (NOLO, rootfs, modem-fw) failed with errorcode 000:40
axon- eventhough the script does not wait until I connect my n90000:42
axon-> Any ideas?00:42
kerioinstall libusb00:43
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axon@kerio it says libusb-1.0-0 is already the newest version ...00:47
ecc3gyou need libusb-0 which is incompatible with libusb-1 (go figure...)00:48
axon@ecc3g apt-get says that I have lib-usb-0.1-4 as newest version ...00:49
axonah, sorry missread your advise00:50
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axon@ecc3g - I am a little confused00:54
axondoes anyone how to install libusb-0 (if it is not libusb-0.1-4 [is already the newest version]) under ubuntu?00:58
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axonno-one? kerio?01:00
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axonsorry, I found this citation in the logs:01:27
axonDocScrutinizer05hi xes! :) how's life?17:2301:27
axonxesi think flasher has some problem with recent hardware and usb 3.0 ports (and/or 64 bit linux)01:27
axonIt's from  Thursday, 2015-08-2001:27
axonI think this might be the same problem I have ... I don't know ...01:27
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DocScrutinizer51what I really hate: go to and click the rightmost 'explore' button02:13
DocScrutinizer51actually it's and the button label is "entdecken"02:14
DocScrutinizer51freezes your device via "swap hell exploit"02:15
DocScrutinizer51push power button once, after 10 minutes select 'kill recent task' from menu, to recover02:16
DocScrutinizer51evidently microB urgently needs some ulimits set on RAM usage02:17
DocScrutinizer51when idiots design monster webpages that try to allocate >>250MB of RAM, we should kill off hard the browser02:19
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infobotit has been said that flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
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DocScrutinizer05mtnman: if you have a linux box and want the easy going:03:57
infobotmaemo-flashing is probably, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh03:57
DocScrutinizer05the latter is tested to work, now even available in recently updated v2.003:58
DocScrutinizer05...which asks if you want to flash VANILLA (aka /home/ and MyDocs) or not04:00
DocScrutinizer05you nevertheless should read the *complete* info at before you start04:01
DocScrutinizer05 is just a convenience thing04:02
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stryngsDoes anyone know what the concept of sending text INLINE with an email?04:07
svetlanaWhat text?04:08
stryngsA job application04:08
stryngsPut the text of your resume IN LINE within the email.04:08
stryngsTrying to figure out what exactly they mean04:08
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svetlanaCopy-paste into message body as plain text.04:08
stryngs K04:08
svetlanaWhich is barbarous though. A resume usually has nice layout and stuff.04:09
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svetlanaI would cheat and send them an HTML email with resume inline in that.04:09
DocScrutinizer05svetlana: it's about different presentation on recipient's side. Inline should get displayed together with msg body, while attachment is just that: an attachment you need to explicitly open#04:18
stryngsWell, it's for a pentest job.  If I don't follow their directions, doubt I'll get my shot04:19
DocScrutinizer05errr stryngs ^^^04:19
DocScrutinizer05stryngs: it's about different mime-types of email attachments04:20
DocScrutinizer05inline-disposition is sort of more aggressive04:20
stryngsDocScrutinizer05: So, do you think posting it as the body was cool?04:21
DocScrutinizer05hmmm, depends. I'd prefer it since I generally reject HTML mail04:22
stryngsDocScrutinizer05: Here's hoping thne =)04:22
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DocScrutinizer05basically an inline-disposition of an .exe might immediately execute the .exe on opening the mail. With attachment it would always show up as email attachment and you could decide to store it to local storage or open it or do whatever you like with it. (a window noob's POV)04:31
DocScrutinizer05so asking for an inline disposition in a pentest application is... weird04:32
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DocScrutinizer05maybe they didn't mean inline-disposition mimetype but actually asked for plaintext in msg body, which is quite the opposite04:33
DocScrutinizer05sending answers inline oftem neans that you quote the OP and insert your answers right between the quoted lines (one blank line above, 2 blank lines below)04:34
DocScrutinizer05often means*04:34
DocScrutinizer05~wiki TOFU04:35
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|tofu}} 'Tofu' is a food made from coagulated soy milk. 'Tofu' may also refer to: * TOFU, a synonym for top-posting in e-mail and Internet forums * Tofu Records, a former American record label for Japanese artists * Trust on first use, a security model associated with the SSH protocol * Slang for the empty boxes shown in place of undisplayable code points in compute04:35
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DocScrutinizer05>>In the interleaved reply style (also called "inline reply",...<<04:37
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* stryngs is creating Ras_Older's invention in a nice .deb =)04:59
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infobotsomebody said flasher was at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
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sla_erickDoes someone knows how to identify which CSSU version is running on the N900?05:06
sla_erickwhen I go to "about product" I have the 21.2011.38-105:07
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infoboti heard tabletsdev is , (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site, or
infobotit has been said that emmc is is or see ~emmc205:16
infobotrumour has it, emmc2 is, or, or see emmc305:16
infobothmm... emmc3 is
stryngsRas_Older: Very nice job with your lib modification.  As well, It's just a library, the .h file.  Changing it back after yer done with it is the proper way to handle it.  imho, what you did is ok froma  high level view.  No clue on the low level and the binary itself, but stryngs approved =)05:32
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infobot[emmc] is or see ~emmc205:54
infobothmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or
infoboti heard flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
stryngsAre those "normal" maemo LD issues for 4.6?05:55
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stryngsHas anyone in here completly removed the gcc 4.2 environment from their n900?06:13
sla_erickdude... Im struggling to update the firmware. Not even had the chance to play with it06:15
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stryngssla_erick: eh06:17
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KotCzarnygood email readers display text attachment and images inline anyway08:21
Wizzupgood email readers allow you to disable html rendering ;)08:38
KotCzarnythat too08:38
KotCzarnyand allow you to select prefferred content to display08:38
MaxdamantusMy email reader doesn't have HTML rendering.08:47
Maxdamantusif something comes only as HTML, I use the pipe attachment functionality to render it with elinks.08:47
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KotCzarnythen it does have html rendering09:34
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Vajbwhat was the command to simulate install but not actually install anything? Apt-get -? install package.09:40
KotCzarnyever tried apt-get --help ?09:41
KotCzarny  -s  No-act. Perform ordering simulation09:41
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Vajbhmm no :D09:43
KotCzarnythere is a hint for you, most of the utils have -h or --help built it!09:44
KotCzarnysome also have man page09:44
Vajbever heard saying "there is no stupid questions, only stupid people" :)09:44
KotCzarnyjust kidding09:44
Vajbme too09:44
Vajbusually i try -h or help but somehow apt escaped from that thought09:45
KotCzarnyand i dont consider people trying doing things as stupid09:46
KotCzarnynot everyone borns with all manuals remembered09:46
Vajbwell my problem is that i've used mostly graphical parts of linux. It wa easier to run for example nautilus as root than to move files in commandline, but in maemo im starting to prefer cmdline more and more.09:49
KotCzarnyi was used to text mode since the beginning09:50
KotCzarnygraphical tools are nice, but sometimes (often) you have to do things remotely or with dead x09:50
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infobotL4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL:
KotCzarnythat factoid is a fiasco10:49
infobotrootfs: the content of the storage volume mounted under /, on NAND mtd5 partition. Also called "the system", since it's all the files forming the linux core system (except the kernel itself). Reflash rootfs from COMBINED (see ~flashing). Also see ~bootloop10:49
infobotsomebody said maemo-flashing was, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh10:49
mtnmanwhere is the place to get the rootfs image?10:57
infobotcombined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or
mtnmanthanks KotCzarny11:02
KotCzarnybut it isnt working11:02
KotCzarnythere was some other mirror11:03 isn't working11:03
KotCzarnysome generic hosting11:04
mtnmanfirst one seems to have worked11:05
mtnmanoddly enough...11:05
KotCzarnyso they didnt remove ALL of the maemo stuff yet11:05
KotCzarnycould be some generic archive forgotten by people and time11:06
mtnmanwell it is partly downloaded here...11:06
mtnmani think it just finished11:06
KotCzarnyi shall grab me copy just in case11:07
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mtnmanok now for flasher...11:07
KotCzarnygrab the flasher-3.511:07
KotCzarnynot newer, not older11:08
KotCzarnyor 0xFFFF11:08
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mtnmani have 3.511:08
KotCzarnythough for full flash flasher-3.511:08
KotCzarnyjust use the script from:11:08
infobothmm... maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh11:08
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mtnmanno i only want to flash rootfs.  i've used flasher from command line before and it worked find11:09
mtnmanfine, eve11:09
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axoni tried to look it up in the internet, but I found a lot of broken links ... although I thought that I might get some help here, since the script was recommended here ...11:31
axonbut I am looking for an answer and let u know whenever I solved the problem ...11:32
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mtnmanaxon: did you ask a question?  i fail to see it.12:11
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axon i asked yesterday night for some support and just wanted to check if perhaps now people are awake who might help : whenever I run "sudo ./" from it doesn't work12:17
axon after12:17
axon  ##################################################################12:17
axon  please remove battery from N900, then plug N900 to a primary (non-hub) USB jack of this PC. Then insert battery which should result in this script continuing...12:17
axon  ##################################################################12:17
axon he does not even wait until I plug in the n900 ...12:17
axon he just continues12:17
axonso my question is:12:17
axondo you have any idea how to fix it?12:17
axonor how to properly flash my device?12:18
mtnmanaxon: i have not used that script.  i have used flasher from command line.12:26
mtnmanin fact, i'm about to reflash just now.12:27
axoni looked up
axonbut there most links are broken12:27
axonI have a ubuntu system12:27
axonthe current flasher already downloaded a few files ...12:27
mtnmanyes the links to download are broken. but the files are available.  which particular ones do you still need?12:28
axonls -a12:28
mtnmanplease don't paste a bunch of stuff12:28
mtnmanits hard to follow12:28
mtnmantell me exactly which file you are looking for.... let's do it one at a time.12:29
axonthe flasher and the latest firmware ...12:29
axonfor the n90012:29
axonI guess12:29
infobotsomebody said flasher was at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or is broken, but try each of the others and see if any work.12:30
mtnmaniirc, i got flasher from
axonme too12:31
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mtnmanokay so you have the flasher-3.5 for your system?12:31
axonthat's how it looks like12:32
mtnmanyou said ubuntu?12:32
mtnmandid you download a .deb or a tar.gz?12:32
axonwhen I try to start it I get an error message:12:33
axonis missing12:33
axonbut I can't find it with apt-cache12:33
mtnmanaxon: i have never used ubuntu, but it is debian-based and you can load .debs and there is a debian package for flasher, iirc.12:35
axonok, I downloaded it12:36
axonI can't install it due to a dependency problem12:37
axon flasher-3.5 hängt ab von libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.12)12:37
mtnmanaxon follow the above link, someone describes the same problem you seem to be having.12:38
mtnmanhint: you can google on your error msgs12:38
* mtnman goes afk for a bit12:40
keriosomeone should write a good 0xffff howto12:43
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axon@mtnman: thanks a lot for your help ... now it looks like it is working ... sorry, the problem is described in the article - at the bottom they helped me out with the  libusb-0.1-4_0.1.12-13_i386.deb12:49
mtnmanglad to help.  now if i can get lib-usb working on my friend's windows machine... i'm away from home without my computer and need to reflash12:51
axonthanks again ... I just rebooted my device ...12:52
mtnmanbtw the @ is not needed.  name and : is enough.12:52
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axonsorry may I ask again ... after flashing my n900 doesn't identify to my computer anymore13:04
axonnormally I had the possiblity to chose: connect as storage device or computer-suite13:04
axonI have no sim card inside ...13:07
axonthat seems to cause the problem ...13:07
mtnmanlack of sim card is probably not the problem13:07
mtnmani don't understand what you mean by "doesn'13:08
mtnmanby "doesn't identify to my computer anymore"13:08
mtnmanwhat exactly are you trying to say?13:08
axonif i plug the usb cable in - I don't get a menu13:09
axonI am currently rebooting with a sim13:09
mtnmani have a feeling rebooting even w/o the sim would work13:09
* mtnman flashed without a sim the first time13:10
axonyes, rebooting with a sim solved the problem13:11
axoni could boot before13:11
axonbut i couldn't connect it to my computer13:11
axonbtw: do you know the look code after flashing?13:11
axonto lock the screen and so on13:12
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mtnmanthe lock code is whatever you set it to13:34
mtnmanthe lock code persists after flashing.13:34
mtnmanbtw it was the reboot, not the sim that made the difference.13:35
KotCzarnyaxon: use 32bit livecd distro13:42
axonmtnman - I tried rebooting before and it didn't work ...13:43
axonKotCzarny: whatfor?13:43
KotCzarnydefault code is 1234513:43
KotCzarnyaxon: nvm, my scrollback was helf13:43
axonthank you 12345 worked ;-)13:44
* mtnman has successfully flashed for the first time using a win64 machine13:45
axonKotCzarny: I don't understand:  nvm, my scrollback was held13:46
mtnmannow restoring from backup...13:46
axoncongrats to mtnman13:46
KotCzarnyaxon, i scrolled up my irc window and it held there, so i didnt see further text13:46
KotCzarnythat's why i answered much earlier question13:47
* mtnman fixed two n900s tonight with two new operating systems13:47
axonok, thank you!13:47
mtnmanKotCzarny: you were timely in your answer. it was what he was looking for.13:47
KotCzarnybut it was only second one that helped him13:48
mtnmani have a feeling my restore may fail to reinstall some apps because it may be pointing to a deprecated repository.13:48
KotCzarnythe one when i already scrolled it down13:48
KotCzarnymtnman, update repos list first then?13:48
mtnmanaha... i missed your first answer to him since it had scrolled past.... hahah.13:49
infobotrepos is probably "deb ./ ;; deb ./", or see
infobothmm... maemo-repos is
mtnmanthings are installing... i guess i have at least one good one setup.13:51
KotCzarnythat nokia mirror is mostly needed for proprietary stuff13:51
* mtnman is happy he can listen to music now13:51
KotCzarnymtnman, have you tried oscp yet?13:51
infoboti heard oscp is
mtnmanso it is an audio player?13:53
mtnmanor media??13:53
KotCzarnystarted as audio player13:53
KotCzarnybut added video play as a easy addon13:53
KotCzarnybut by default it only plays audio13:53
KotCzarny(which is kind of nice if you downloaded bunch of .flv or .avi video clips13:54
KotCzarnyand just want to listen to audio track of them13:54
mtnmanwhat is its advantage over the stock media player?13:54
KotCzarnydifferent philosophy13:54
KotCzarnystock uses tracker and media library13:54
mtnmanand oscp uses?13:55
KotCzarnyoscp is built upon 'your directory structure is your media library'13:55
KotCzarnyalso, oscp can run from terminal (or ssh)13:55
mtnmanthat makes more sense from a unix standpoint13:55
KotCzarnyand has network remote13:55
Sicelojust for completeness' sake .. if you want improved "stock" media player, then look at Open Media Player13:55
KotCzarnyjust try it, you either love it or hate it13:55
mtnmani find the way media player assembles a library annoying.  its very un-unixy.13:56
KotCzarnythen you will love oscp13:57
Siceloah, oscp then ;)13:57
mtnmani cannot install it atm, i am still recovering from backup13:57
KotCzarnyno worries, just keep it in your todo list13:58
KotCzarnyit also works on pc13:58
KotCzarnyinterface is identical13:58
mtnmani better not put it on that list, nothing on it ever seems to get done!13:58
KotCzarnyso you can try that in the meantime13:58
mtnmani am borrowing a pc atm so i probably will not install it on here.13:58
KotCzarnytar.gz package is on sourceforge13:58
KotCzarnyit's the ncurses gui screenshot13:59
* mtnman likes software that runs on a console14:00
KotCzarnyalso, it has minimal dependencies14:00
* mtnman likes minimal dependencies14:00
KotCzarnymostly system libs, decoding libraries are compiled statically in14:00
mtnmani will definitely try to remember oscp.14:01
KotCzarnyalso, there is also pentium-mmx build, in case you have some nettop terminal with castrated cpu14:01
KotCzarny200mhz is enough for most codecs14:01
mtnmani retired all of my pentiums, though i think i have my first linux box in storage... 386 cpu.14:02
KotCzarnyfor mp3 it could be enough14:02
KotCzarnythough clearly would need i386 recompile14:02
KotCzarnyit also has winamp skin mode14:03
mtnmanwell it is halfway around the world from where i am now and i won't have the opportunity to see that box for at least 3 months, maybe a year.14:03
mtnmanbut i will probably give it a shot on the n90014:03
KotCzarnyand there is 2GB winamp skin package on talk.maemo.org14:04
KotCzarny(and oscp has load-random-skin keybinding)14:04
mtnmaninformation overload.  i will look for it another time.14:04
KotCzarnyjust remember the name14:04
mtnmanok.  btw what is your location?14:04
KotCzarnydefine location14:04
mtnmanpart of the world14:05
mtnmancool. i am always curious of the location of people with whom i communicate.14:05
KotCzarnydid i say it plays most of the audio formats you might have?14:05
mtnmanyes yes yes14:05
KotCzarnyif not all14:05
mtnmanlisten, i am not gonna look at it til at least tomorrow.  i will finish my restore, listen to some music, and go to bed.14:06
KotCzarnysure, just making sure the name sticks in your memory14:06
mtnmanmy audio has been broken on this thing for about 1.5 years...14:07
KotCzarnyn900 or pc?14:07
mtnmanand it would not accept incoming calls.14:07
mtnmanhow annoying14:07
mtnmann900.  i told you i don't have a pc and am borrowing one atm14:07
KotCzarnybut you have reflashed, does it work now?14:08
mtnmanyes i told you it works now.14:08
mtnmanseems you are better at saying stuff than listening :)14:08
KotCzarnyits hot here14:09
mtnmanno offense intended14:09
KotCzarny31C in the shadows14:09
DocScrutinizer05((someone should write a good 0xffff howto)) and 0xFFFF does NOT need libusb?14:09
mtnmanit was 11C indoors here for most of the day :)14:09
KotCzarnylucky you14:09
KotCzarnyin car it goes up to 35-40C14:10
mtnmanmy hands got too cold to type, so i lit a fire.14:10
KotCzarnygrab some half-mittens?14:10
* mtnman has no car14:10
KotCzarnythe ones with fingers cut14:10
mtnmani have always resisted those14:10
KotCzarnyin the winter i've used them14:11
mtnmanfor typing?14:11
KotCzarnywhen i worked in badly heated building14:11
Ras_Olderoh yeah those are awesome14:11
mtnmani'll think about it14:11
KotCzarnyand n900 doesnt need those ressitive ones14:11
KotCzarnyso you can grab some for 1-2eur14:11
* mtnman prefers to light a fire14:12
mtnmani know some people who wear those under shell mittens on less cold days14:12
KotCzarnythey are good if you have to type in cold room14:13
mtnmanby the way, the ones in the picture are gloves.  mittens don't have fingers.14:13
KotCzarnymittens, glove, with fingers cut they work the same ;)14:14
KotCzarnyalso, english is not my primary language14:14
mtnmani realize that. it is why i explained it to you.14:14
KotCzarnyand just to make sure your eyes remember: oscp (old school console player)14:15
KotCzarnyand it doesnt matter it's much more than console14:15
mtnmanyou can stop now.  i made a note of it.14:16
KotCzarny:) tea time14:17
KotCzarnyand since you did clean flash, you know about cssu?14:17
mtnmanyes, after restore it is my next step.14:18
mtnmanas opposed to NeXTSTEP14:19
DocScrutinizer05then cssu howto will already tell you about:14:23
infobothmm... backupmenu is
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erlehmannhas anyone done a second-curtain flash with the n900?
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bencohfcamera (the app) has no flash support16:12
bencohfcam (the lib) does, though ... so you'd just need to patch it (or patch rawcam)16:13
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stryngsHas anyone in here completly removed the gcc 4.2 environment from their n900?17:18
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KotCzarnyapt-get remove ?17:23
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stryngsAs in I'd like 4.6 to be the main environment KotCzarny17:42
stryngsI've got a switcheroo thingie I do, which works, but I get a lot of LD issues17:43
stryngsThings like that17:43
stryngsI dunno if its the way I have the environment setup or whatnot17:43
stryngsIt builds just fine, but still, figure it might be cleaner if I rip out the 4.2 stuff17:43
totalizatorKotCzarny: I have found a nice remote GUI for the oscp :3
totalizatorit's called GoTYY - " Share your terminal as a web application"17:45
totalizatoryou can run ARM release from here on a N900 and it works just fine17:46
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KotCzarnystryngs, 4.6 in repos is broken, ie. generating bad binaries18:00
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KotCzarnytotalizator, nice18:01
KotCzarnyyou can post it to tmo if you've tried it18:01
stryngsKotCzarny: Do we have 4.7?18:04
stryngsKotCzarny: I've built a couple different things with 4.6, and it works well, the stuff I've built; ld issues aside18:04
KotCzarnystryngs, i think it misbuilt something for me18:05
KotCzarnyand 4.7 is available18:05
stryngsKotCzarny: very cool18:06
KotCzarnyits about cssu, but works on stock too18:06
stryngsKotCzarny: So that begs the question, CAN 4.2 be removed?18:06
KotCzarnystryngs, from device itself? yes, in sb? doesnt matter as you can setup different toolchain target18:07
stryngsKotCzarny: I don't use sb18:07
stryngsKotCzarny: I will check into the 4.7 info; very handy18:07
KotCzarnysb is convenient18:08
KotCzarnyeasy to backup/restore, and if something breaks it doesnt bring down the device18:08
stryngsKotCzarny: Right, but still.  Hmm, so it seems I have to build 4.718:08
KotCzarnycould be tricky18:09
stryngsOh well, it'll be worth it; I'm going through an image change right now18:09
stryngsFor 4.4, does it work well?18:09
KotCzarnyi have tried gcc from 4.4.x to 4.9.x, and it didnt build out of the bat18:09
stryngsKotCzarny: 4.4 has .debs though18:09
KotCzarnyhavent tried18:09
stryngsKotCzarny: k.18:10
KotCzarnybut 4.7 works fine18:10
stryngsYeah, but I don't have the 4.7 .deb =/18:10
KotCzarnyi've build whole oscp with it and it worked ok18:10
* stryngs doesn't use scratchbox.18:10
* stryngs prefers to natively build.18:10
KotCzarnyn900 is fine for smaller packages, but if i have 6 core 3.3ghz machine handy, why not using it?18:11
stryngsKotCzarny: Agreed; it's just not for me =)18:11
stryngsKotCzarny: KotCzarny So do you have the .debs handy for 4.7?18:11
stryngsKotCzarny: Ah, feel like making some? =)18:12
KotCzarnyas i said, gcc didnt build for me18:12
KotCzarnytried from 4.4 to 4.918:12
KotCzarnyand probably needs some patching18:12
stryngsKotCzarny: Ah, so you only attempted with sb, not natively18:12
KotCzarny(we have old libc)18:12
KotCzarnyive tried compiling gcc IN sb18:12
KotCzarnyso it was kind if native18:12
stryngsWhen I get some time, I'll see what I can do about building it natively18:13
KotCzarnybut it was failing in stage3 usually18:13
stryngsIt would be nice to have 4.7 ON the n90018:13
KotCzarnyas i said, i suspect old libs18:13
KotCzarnyand some arm quirks18:13
KotCzarnyif you manage, prepare the patch and howto please :)18:14
KotCzarnyor just build into /opt/gcc4718:14
KotCzarnyfor easy moving18:14
stryngsI'll give it a whirl18:16
Sicelolooks like i'm the only one not finding fault with tracker :$18:17
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* stryngs attempts to build 4.7.4 -------> Natively.18:36
stryngsAnd yes18:36
* stryngs IS crazy18:36
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Ras_Oldergood kinda crazy18:37
stryngsRas_Older: I deb'd your work18:37
stryngsRas_Older: As well, u don't need to mod reaver18:37
stryngsit built without your mods18:37
stryngs if u want it18:38
stryngs f5c534a0f6100435746ede8ddc8ae16b91b1e3ea  reaver_1.5.2-fork-t6_x_armel.deb18:38
sla_erickHi everyone, what do you recommend between installing kernel power or cssu? what are the differences18:38
stryngs 0e15fab3dede917388dab15f054ac899f8bbfa24  pixiewps_1.1_armel.deb18:38
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Vajbsla_erick: you can have them both. Kernel power is just updated kernel, but cssu is like mostly updated maemo operating system.18:44
sla_erickVajb: thanks, so as of today, is it better to have the cssu than the pr 1.3.1?18:46
kerioit's been better to have cssu for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong time18:47
Vajbi prefer cssu. It's community build newest possible maemo. pr 1.3.1 s just where Nokia left off18:47
sla_erickokay, Ill definately try it then. Thanks guys18:48
sla_erickdo you recommend first installing power kernel or cssu?18:48
Vajbi think it doesn't matter, but i have a feeling i did cssu first18:51
Vajbalso there is atleast three versions of cssu18:52
Vajbcssu-stable, cssu-testing and cssu-thumb18:52
Vajbi have a cssu-testing and it's stablest operating system what i have had in nokia phones18:53
bencohdo not install thumb before a kernel with thumb support (recent kernel-power for instance)18:54
sla_erickokay. One more thing, I have the extras repo enabled and also the OVI. Im getting the repos from Do I need to have any other enabled repo? I see "Nokia Applications" and "Nokia System Software Updates" but I dont know if I need those18:55
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Vajbcssu install will automatically pull repos it needs18:58
Vajbjust follow instructions on cssu page18:58
bencohVajb: except for the nokia repositories18:58
bencohbut CSSU should be fine regarding that now18:58
Vajboh yeah they can't be pulled automagically since they are on different place now?18:59
Vajbhmm maybe i should do fresh install just to see how it works out now19:00
sla_erickgreat, so now I have to decide what cssu, Vajb says that testing is the stablest to him. How about thumb? the wiki article N900 perfect setup says to install cssu thumb19:01
Vajbwell cssu-stable should be stablest them all, but i just wanted to note that testing is also stable for me :)19:03
Vajbi have thumb on my other device, but can't be sure if it is as stable or not since my other device is somehow faulty and is not stable even with cssu-stable19:04
sla_erickI think I'll go with the stable19:06
bencohthumb more or less follows testing19:07
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Sicelothumb is stable too and expected to be faster19:14
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infobotmethinks cssu is, or (Community Seamless Software Update)19:33
infoboti guess kp is
KotCzarnyyou can use kernel-power with 1.3.1 and it's good19:33
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VajbPali: i discovered odd feature on custom When connected to my usb powerbank (Oyama) it is recognized as computer everytime i ask bnf to give me information about charge state.20:48
Paliwhat is recognized as computer?20:48
Vajbusb powerbank20:49
Paliand what do you mean by "recognized"?20:49
Vajbit pops up that thing where you selec mass memory or pc suite mode.20:49
Vajbwall charger did that just once so far.20:50
KotCzarnymaybe it fakes pc for more compatibility20:52
Vajbi don't know. My other powerbank is always recognized as wall charger20:53
Vajbso maybe that one just shitty20:53
KotCzarnydont confuse standard vs shitty20:54
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Vajbwell to be honest i paid some money for that weird acting powerbank20:55
Vajbother is just cheap corporate gift20:55
Vajbit has single cell20:56
Vajbi think it is the same cell which one user used to power his n900 with20:57
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DocScrutinizer05that weird acting powerbank simply has an apple-compliant resistor network on USB datalines, I guess. The N900 detects this as USB host21:06
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Vajband it gets redetected always when i use bnf.21:08
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Vajbim not sure if defaul act like that or not.21:11
Vajbafk now21:11
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Pali>>> [19:49:44] <Vajb> it pops up that thing where you selec mass memory or pc suite mode. <<< has nothing with it21:36
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DocScrutinizer05here's what I seem to recall: generally there's a function somewhere in Maemo that on detection of VBUS checks if D+ and D- are shorted. When they are not, the attached voltage supply is considered as coming from a USB host. There's also a race in all that, so every once in a while it even detects genuine Nokia wallcharger as USB host22:19
kerioyea if you win the race you get to charge your battery more slowly22:20
KotCzarnydont be a racist then22:20
DocScrutinizer05exactly, since until USB ENUM (which a charger obviously won't do) the N900 is charging with 100mA then22:21
DocScrutinizer05of which ~50mA are readily eaten by USB musb core etc itself22:22
kerioDocScrutinizer05: wait, it's that bad?22:22
kerioi thought it would charge at 50022:22
kerioinstead of 90022:22
DocScrutinizer05no, 500 only after ENUM22:22
DocScrutinizer05Nokia was *very* cautious to not fry any USB host22:23
DocScrutinizer05and prolly this also been a requirement of USB cert22:24
DocScrutinizer05I *might* be wrong, they might have changed that with PR1.1 or whatever22:26
freemangordonyep, if wall charger is not detected, and there is no USB enum, the current is 100mA22:29
freemangordonbtw: hi!22:29
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merlin1991kinda lateish, yep22:44
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DocScrutinizer05hi merlin1991, long time no see23:11
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