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| KotCzarny | weird thing is that last time i did the same thing | 00:16 |
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| KotCzarny | ie. ran bq script with param and waiting for edv | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | and rate was ~100mA | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | this time it went under 3300mV and showed battery empty | 00:16 |
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| axon | sorry to ask, I have a question about falshing my n900 | 00:38 |
| axon | I tried : | 00:39 |
| axon | "download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh" | 00:39 |
| axon | and got to the point where it says: | 00:39 |
| axon | ################################################################## | 00:39 |
| axon | please remove battery from N900, then plug N900 to a primary (non-hub) USB jack of this PC. Then insert battery which should result in this script continuing... | 00:39 |
| axon | ################################################################## | 00:39 |
| axon | resetting r&d-mode and flags | 00:39 |
| axon | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 00:39 |
| axon | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 00:39 |
| axon | flashing rootfs... | 00:40 |
| axon | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 00:40 |
| axon | sorry, flashing RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (NOLO, rootfs, modem-fw) failed with errorcode 0 | 00:40 |
| axon | - eventhough the script does not wait until I connect my n900 | 00:42 |
| axon | -> Any ideas? | 00:42 |
| kerio | install libusb | 00:43 |
| kerio | 32bit | 00:43 |
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| axon | @kerio it says libusb-1.0-0 is already the newest version ... | 00:47 |
| ecc3g | you need libusb-0 which is incompatible with libusb-1 (go figure...) | 00:48 |
| axon | @ecc3g apt-get says that I have lib-usb-0.1-4 as newest version ... | 00:49 |
| axon | ah, sorry missread your advise | 00:50 |
| axon | sorry | 00:50 |
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| axon | @ecc3g - I am a little confused | 00:54 |
| axon | does anyone how to install libusb-0 (if it is not libusb-0.1-4 [is already the newest version]) under ubuntu? | 00:58 |
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| axon | no-one? kerio? | 01:00 |
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| axon | sorry, I found this citation in the logs: | 01:27 |
| axon | DocScrutinizer05hi xes! :) how's life?17:23 | 01:27 |
| axon | xesi think flasher has some problem with recent hardware and usb 3.0 ports (and/or 64 bit linux) | 01:27 |
| axon | It's from Thursday, 2015-08-20 | 01:27 |
| axon | I think this might be the same problem I have ... I don't know ... | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | what I really hate: go to http://www.google.de/url?q=http://www.teslamotors.com/de_DE/&sa=U&ved=0CBEQFjAAahUKEwiY0v72uNTHAhWBlhQKHdD5B3w&usg=AFQjCNGybHDKCK_re2uAHbbsC_qbfM_6UA and click the rightmost 'explore' button | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually it's http://www.teslamotors.com/de_DE/ and the button label is "entdecken" | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freezes your device via "swap hell exploit" | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | push power button once, after 10 minutes select 'kill recent task' from menu, to recover | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | evidently microB urgently needs some ulimits set on RAM usage | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | when idiots design monster webpages that try to allocate >>250MB of RAM, we should kill off hard the browser | 02:19 |
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| APic | Interesting. | 02:22 |
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| mtnman | ~flasher | 03:29 |
| infobot | it has been said that flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 03:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mtnman: if you have a linux box and want the easy going: | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 03:57 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the latter is tested to work, now even available in recently updated v2.0 | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...which asks if you want to flash VANILLA (aka /home/ and MyDocs) or not | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you nevertheless should read the *complete* info at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware before you start | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz is just a convenience thing | 04:02 |
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| stryngs | Does anyone know what the concept of sending text INLINE with an email? | 04:07 |
| svetlana | What text? | 04:08 |
| stryngs | A job application | 04:08 |
| stryngs | Put the text of your resume IN LINE within the email. | 04:08 |
| stryngs | Trying to figure out what exactly they mean | 04:08 |
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| svetlana | Copy-paste into message body as plain text. | 04:08 |
| stryngs | K | 04:08 |
| stryngs | Thanks | 04:09 |
| svetlana | Which is barbarous though. A resume usually has nice layout and stuff. | 04:09 |
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| svetlana | I would cheat and send them an HTML email with resume inline in that. | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | svetlana: it's about different presentation on recipient's side. Inline should get displayed together with msg body, while attachment is just that: an attachment you need to explicitly open# | 04:18 |
| stryngs | Well, it's for a pentest job. If I don't follow their directions, doubt I'll get my shot | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr stryngs ^^^ | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stryngs: it's about different mime-types of email attachments | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | inline-disposition is sort of more aggressive | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1395151/content-dispositionwhat-are-the-differences-between-inline-and-attachment | 04:21 |
| stryngs | DocScrutinizer05: So, do you think posting it as the body was cool? | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, depends. I'd prefer it since I generally reject HTML mail | 04:22 |
| stryngs | DocScrutinizer05: Here's hoping thne =) | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | basically an inline-disposition of an .exe might immediately execute the .exe on opening the mail. With attachment it would always show up as email attachment and you could decide to store it to local storage or open it or do whatever you like with it. (a window noob's POV) | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so asking for an inline disposition in a pentest application is... weird | 04:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they didn't mean inline-disposition mimetype but actually asked for plaintext in msg body, which is quite the opposite | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sending answers inline oftem neans that you quote the OP and insert your answers right between the quoted lines (one blank line above, 2 blank lines below) | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | often means* | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki TOFU | 04:35 |
| infobot | At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFU (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|tofu}} 'Tofu' is a food made from coagulated soy milk. 'Tofu' may also refer to: * TOFU, a synonym for top-posting in e-mail and Internet forums * Tofu Records, a former American record label for Japanese artists * Trust on first use, a security model associated with the SSH protocol * Slang for the empty boxes shown in place of undisplayable code points in compute | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>In the interleaved reply style (also called "inline reply",...<< | 04:37 |
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| * stryngs is creating Ras_Older's invention in a nice .deb =) | 04:59 | |
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| sla_erick | ~flasher | 05:03 |
| infobot | somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 05:03 |
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| sla_erick | Does someone knows how to identify which CSSU version is running on the N900? | 05:06 |
| sla_erick | when I go to "about product" I have the 21.2011.38-1 | 05:07 |
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| sla_erick | ~tabletsdev | 05:15 |
| infobot | i heard tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads | 05:15 |
| sla_erick | ~emmc | 05:16 |
| infobot | it has been said that emmc is is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or see ~emmc2 | 05:16 |
| sla_erick | ~emmc2 | 05:16 |
| infobot | rumour has it, emmc2 is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22FGDOJCSI/--LID--FiRe1275064390175/163EC1AE_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.IBERIA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22VHGOMWUG/--LID--FiRe1274862877184/E3AD4912_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.SEAP_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, or see emmc3 | 05:16 |
| sla_erick | ~emmc3 | 05:16 |
| infobot | hmm... emmc3 is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/4/--FID--A0A22UYGVCFDF/--LID--FiRe1272381325983/E14B4F3B_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.SCANDINAVIA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 05:16 |
| stryngs | Ras_Older: Very nice job with your lib modification. As well, It's just a library, the .h file. Changing it back after yer done with it is the proper way to handle it. imho, what you did is ok froma high level view. No clue on the low level and the binary itself, but stryngs approved =) | 05:32 |
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| sla_erick | ~emmc | 05:54 |
| infobot | [emmc] is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or see ~emmc2 | 05:54 |
| sla_erick | ~combined | 05:54 |
| infobot | hmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 05:54 |
| sla_erick | ~flasher | 05:54 |
| infobot | i heard flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 05:54 |
| stryngs | Hmm | 05:55 |
| stryngs | http://termbin.com/rdvi | 05:55 |
| stryngs | Are those "normal" maemo LD issues for 4.6? | 05:55 |
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| stryngs | Has anyone in here completly removed the gcc 4.2 environment from their n900? | 06:13 |
| sla_erick | dude... Im struggling to update the firmware. Not even had the chance to play with it | 06:15 |
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| stryngs | sla_erick: eh | 06:17 |
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| KotCzarny | good email readers display text attachment and images inline anyway | 08:21 |
| Wizzup | good email readers allow you to disable html rendering ;) | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | that too | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | and allow you to select prefferred content to display | 08:38 |
| Maxdamantus | My email reader doesn't have HTML rendering. | 08:47 |
| Maxdamantus | if something comes only as HTML, I use the pipe attachment functionality to render it with elinks. | 08:47 |
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| KotCzarny | then it does have html rendering | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:34 |
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| Vajb | what was the command to simulate install but not actually install anything? Apt-get -? install package. | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | ever tried apt-get --help ? | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | -s No-act. Perform ordering simulation | 09:41 |
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| Vajb | hmm no :D | 09:43 |
| KotCzarny | there is a hint for you, most of the utils have -h or --help built it! | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | some also have man page | 09:44 |
| Vajb | ever heard saying "there is no stupid questions, only stupid people" :) | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | naaah | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding | 09:44 |
| Vajb | me too | 09:44 |
| Vajb | usually i try -h or help but somehow apt escaped from that thought | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | and i dont consider people trying doing things as stupid | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | not everyone borns with all manuals remembered | 09:46 |
| Vajb | well my problem is that i've used mostly graphical parts of linux. It wa easier to run for example nautilus as root than to move files in commandline, but in maemo im starting to prefer cmdline more and more. | 09:49 |
| Vajb | wa=was* | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | i was used to text mode since the beginning | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | graphical tools are nice, but sometimes (often) you have to do things remotely or with dead x | 09:50 |
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| mtnman | ~fiasco | 10:48 |
| infobot | L4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL: http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/ | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:48 |
| mtnman | ~rootfs | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | that factoid is a fiasco | 10:49 |
| infobot | rootfs: the content of the storage volume mounted under /, on NAND mtd5 partition. Also called "the system", since it's all the files forming the linux core system (except the kernel itself). Reflash rootfs from COMBINED (see ~flashing). Also see ~bootloop | 10:49 |
| mtnman | ~flashing | 10:49 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 10:49 |
| mtnman | ~RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 10:56 |
| mtnman | where is the place to get the rootfs image? | 10:57 |
| KotCzarny | ~combined | 11:00 |
| infobot | combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 11:00 |
| mtnman | thanks KotCzarny | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | but it isnt working | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | apparently | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | there was some other mirror | 11:03 |
| mtnman | galif.eu isn't working | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1418219&postcount=13 | 11:04 |
| KotCzarny | some generic hosting | 11:04 |
| mtnman | first one seems to have worked | 11:05 |
| mtnman | oddly enough... | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | so they didnt remove ALL of the maemo stuff yet | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | could be some generic archive forgotten by people and time | 11:06 |
| mtnman | well it is partly downloaded here... | 11:06 |
| mtnman | i think it just finished | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | i shall grab me copy just in case | 11:07 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 11:07 |
| mtnman | ok now for flasher... | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | grab the flasher-3.5 | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | not newer, not older | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | or 0xFFFF | 11:08 |
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| mtnman | i have 3.5 | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | though for full flash flasher-3.5 | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | just use the script from: | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 11:08 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 11:08 |
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| mtnman | no i only want to flash rootfs. i've used flasher from command line before and it worked find | 11:09 |
| mtnman | fine, eve | 11:09 |
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| mtnman | even!!! | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:12 |
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| axon | nobody? | 11:26 |
| Wizzup | internet? | 11:27 |
| axon | i tried to look it up in the internet, but I found a lot of broken links ... although I thought that I might get some help here, since the script was recommended here ... | 11:31 |
| axon | but I am looking for an answer and let u know whenever I solved the problem ... | 11:32 |
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| mtnman | axon: did you ask a question? i fail to see it. | 12:11 |
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| axon | @mtnman: | 12:17 |
| axon | i asked yesterday night for some support and just wanted to check if perhaps now people are awake who might help : whenever I run "sudo ./flash-it-all.sh" fromhttp://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz it doesn't work | 12:17 |
| axon | after | 12:17 |
| axon | ################################################################## | 12:17 |
| axon | please remove battery from N900, then plug N900 to a primary (non-hub) USB jack of this PC. Then insert battery which should result in this script continuing... | 12:17 |
| axon | ################################################################## | 12:17 |
| axon | he does not even wait until I plug in the n900 ... | 12:17 |
| axon | he just continues | 12:17 |
| axon | so my question is: | 12:17 |
| axon | do you have any idea how to fix it? | 12:17 |
| axon | or how to properly flash my device? | 12:18 |
| axon | n900 | 12:19 |
| mtnman | axon: i have not used that script. i have used flasher from command line. | 12:26 |
| mtnman | in fact, i'm about to reflash just now. | 12:27 |
| axon | i looked up http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 12:27 |
| axon | but there most links are broken | 12:27 |
| axon | I have a ubuntu system | 12:27 |
| axon | the current flasher already downloaded a few files ... | 12:27 |
| mtnman | yes the links to download are broken. but the files are available. which particular ones do you still need? | 12:28 |
| axon | ls -a | 12:28 |
| axon | . | 12:28 |
| axon | .. | 12:28 |
| axon | flash-it-all.sh | 12:28 |
| axon | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 | 12:28 |
| axon | md5sums.txt | 12:28 |
| axon | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 12:28 |
| axon | RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 12:28 |
| axon | trasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz | 12:28 |
| mtnman | please don't paste a bunch of stuff | 12:28 |
| mtnman | its hard to follow | 12:28 |
| axon | sorry | 12:28 |
| mtnman | tell me exactly which file you are looking for.... let's do it one at a time. | 12:29 |
| axon | the flasher and the latest firmware ... | 12:29 |
| axon | for the n900 | 12:29 |
| axon | I guess | 12:29 |
| mtnman | ~flasher | 12:29 |
| infobot | somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 12:29 |
| mtnman | galif.eu is broken, but try each of the others and see if any work. | 12:30 |
| mtnman | iirc, i got flasher from jedge.com. | 12:31 |
| axon | me too | 12:31 |
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| axon | now | 12:31 |
| mtnman | okay so you have the flasher-3.5 for your system? | 12:31 |
| axon | that's how it looks like | 12:32 |
| mtnman | you said ubuntu? | 12:32 |
| axon | yes | 12:32 |
| mtnman | did you download a .deb or a tar.gz? | 12:32 |
| axon | .tar.gz | 12:32 |
| axon | when I try to start it I get an error message: | 12:33 |
| axon | libusb-0.1.so.4 | 12:33 |
| axon | is missing | 12:33 |
| axon | but I can't find it with apt-cache | 12:33 |
| mtnman | ~libusb | 12:34 |
| mtnman | ~libusb-0.1.so.4 | 12:34 |
| mtnman | axon: i have never used ubuntu, but it is debian-based and you can load .debs and there is a debian package for flasher, iirc. | 12:35 |
| axon | ok, I downloaded it | 12:36 |
| axon | I can't install it due to a dependency problem | 12:37 |
| axon | flasher-3.5 hängt ab von libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.12) | 12:37 |
| mtnman | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=186130 | 12:37 |
| mtnman | axon follow the above link, someone describes the same problem you seem to be having. | 12:38 |
| mtnman | hint: you can google on your error msgs | 12:38 |
| * mtnman goes afk for a bit | 12:40 | |
| kerio | someone should write a good 0xffff howto | 12:43 |
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| axon | @mtnman: thanks a lot for your help ... now it looks like it is working ... sorry, the problem is described in the article http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware - at the bottom they helped me out with the libusb-0.1-4_0.1.12-13_i386.deb | 12:49 |
| mtnman | glad to help. now if i can get lib-usb working on my friend's windows machine... i'm away from home without my computer and need to reflash | 12:51 |
| axon | thanks again ... I just rebooted my device ... | 12:52 |
| mtnman | btw the @ is not needed. name and : is enough. | 12:52 |
| axon | ok | 12:52 |
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| axon | sorry may I ask again ... after flashing my n900 doesn't identify to my computer anymore | 13:04 |
| axon | normally I had the possiblity to chose: connect as storage device or computer-suite | 13:04 |
| axon | I have no sim card inside ... | 13:07 |
| axon | that seems to cause the problem ... | 13:07 |
| mtnman | lack of sim card is probably not the problem | 13:07 |
| mtnman | i don't understand what you mean by "doesn' | 13:08 |
| mtnman | by "doesn't identify to my computer anymore" | 13:08 |
| mtnman | what exactly are you trying to say? | 13:08 |
| axon | if i plug the usb cable in - I don't get a menu | 13:09 |
| axon | I am currently rebooting with a sim | 13:09 |
| mtnman | i have a feeling rebooting even w/o the sim would work | 13:09 |
| * mtnman flashed without a sim the first time | 13:10 | |
| axon | yes, rebooting with a sim solved the problem | 13:11 |
| axon | i could boot before | 13:11 |
| axon | but i couldn't connect it to my computer | 13:11 |
| axon | btw: do you know the look code after flashing? | 13:11 |
| axon | to lock the screen and so on | 13:12 |
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| mtnman | the lock code is whatever you set it to | 13:34 |
| mtnman | the lock code persists after flashing. | 13:34 |
| mtnman | btw it was the reboot, not the sim that made the difference. | 13:35 |
| KotCzarny | axon: use 32bit livecd distro | 13:42 |
| axon | mtnman - I tried rebooting before and it didn't work ... | 13:43 |
| axon | KotCzarny: whatfor? | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | default code is 12345 | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | axon: nvm, my scrollback was helf | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | *helf | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | drat | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | *held | 13:43 |
| axon | thank you 12345 worked ;-) | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 13:45 |
| * mtnman has successfully flashed for the first time using a win64 machine | 13:45 | |
| mtnman | woohoo! | 13:45 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 13:46 |
| axon | KotCzarny: I don't understand: nvm, my scrollback was held | 13:46 |
| mtnman | now restoring from backup... | 13:46 |
| axon | congrats to mtnman | 13:46 |
| KotCzarny | axon, i scrolled up my irc window and it held there, so i didnt see further text | 13:46 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i answered much earlier question | 13:47 |
| * mtnman fixed two n900s tonight with two new operating systems | 13:47 | |
| axon | ok, thank you! | 13:47 |
| mtnman | KotCzarny: you were timely in your answer. it was what he was looking for. | 13:47 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 13:47 |
| KotCzarny | but it was only second one that helped him | 13:48 |
| mtnman | i have a feeling my restore may fail to reinstall some apps because it may be pointing to a deprecated repository. | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | the one when i already scrolled it down | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | mtnman, update repos list first then? | 13:48 |
| mtnman | aha... i missed your first answer to him since it had scrolled past.... hahah. | 13:49 |
| mtnman | heheh | 13:49 |
| mtnman | ~repos | 13:50 |
| infobot | repos is probably "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 13:50 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 13:50 |
| mtnman | things are installing... i guess i have at least one good one setup. | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | that nokia mirror is mostly needed for proprietary stuff | 13:51 |
| * mtnman is happy he can listen to music now | 13:51 | |
| KotCzarny | mtnman, have you tried oscp yet? | 13:51 |
| mtnman | oscp? | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | ~oscp | 13:52 |
| infobot | i heard oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 | 13:52 |
| Sicelo | :) | 13:52 |
| mtnman | so it is an audio player? | 13:53 |
| mtnman | or media?? | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | started as audio player | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | but added video play as a easy addon | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | but by default it only plays audio | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | (which is kind of nice if you downloaded bunch of .flv or .avi video clips | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | and just want to listen to audio track of them | 13:54 |
| mtnman | what is its advantage over the stock media player? | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | different philosophy | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | stock uses tracker and media library | 13:54 |
| mtnman | and oscp uses? | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | oscp is built upon 'your directory structure is your media library' | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | also, oscp can run from terminal (or ssh) | 13:55 |
| mtnman | that makes more sense from a unix standpoint | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | and has network remote | 13:55 |
| Sicelo | just for completeness' sake .. if you want improved "stock" media player, then look at Open Media Player | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | just try it, you either love it or hate it | 13:55 |
| mtnman | i find the way media player assembles a library annoying. its very un-unixy. | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | then you will love oscp | 13:57 |
| Sicelo | ah, oscp then ;) | 13:57 |
| mtnman | i cannot install it atm, i am still recovering from backup | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | no worries, just keep it in your todo list | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | also | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | it also works on pc | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | interface is identical | 13:58 |
| mtnman | i better not put it on that list, nothing on it ever seems to get done! | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | so you can try that in the meantime | 13:58 |
| mtnman | i am borrowing a pc atm so i probably will not install it on here. | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | tar.gz package is on sourceforge | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | https://a.fsdn.com/con/app/proj/oscp/screenshots/oscp.gif | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | it's the ncurses gui screenshot | 13:59 |
| * mtnman likes software that runs on a console | 14:00 | |
| KotCzarny | also, it has minimal dependencies | 14:00 |
| * mtnman likes minimal dependencies | 14:00 | |
| KotCzarny | mostly system libs, decoding libraries are compiled statically in | 14:00 |
| mtnman | i will definitely try to remember oscp. | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | also, there is also pentium-mmx build, in case you have some nettop terminal with castrated cpu | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | 200mhz is enough for most codecs | 14:01 |
| mtnman | i retired all of my pentiums, though i think i have my first linux box in storage... 386 cpu. | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | for mp3 it could be enough | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | though clearly would need i386 recompile | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | it also has winamp skin mode | 14:03 |
| mtnman | well it is halfway around the world from where i am now and i won't have the opportunity to see that box for at least 3 months, maybe a year. | 14:03 |
| mtnman | but i will probably give it a shot on the n900 | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | https://a.fsdn.com/con/app/proj/oscp/screenshots/oscp-winamp-skin.png | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | and there is 2GB winamp skin package on talk.maemo.org | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | (and oscp has load-random-skin keybinding) | 14:04 |
| mtnman | information overload. i will look for it another time. | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | just remember the name | 14:04 |
| mtnman | ok. btw what is your location? | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | define location | 14:04 |
| mtnman | part of the world | 14:05 |
| KotCzarny | .pl | 14:05 |
| mtnman | cool. i am always curious of the location of people with whom i communicate. | 14:05 |
| KotCzarny | did i say it plays most of the audio formats you might have? | 14:05 |
| mtnman | yes yes yes | 14:05 |
| KotCzarny | if not all | 14:05 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 14:05 |
| mtnman | listen, i am not gonna look at it til at least tomorrow. i will finish my restore, listen to some music, and go to bed. | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | sure, just making sure the name sticks in your memory | 14:06 |
| mtnman | my audio has been broken on this thing for about 1.5 years... | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | n900 or pc? | 14:07 |
| mtnman | and it would not accept incoming calls. | 14:07 |
| mtnman | how annoying | 14:07 |
| mtnman | n900. i told you i don't have a pc and am borrowing one atm | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | but you have reflashed, does it work now? | 14:08 |
| mtnman | yes i told you it works now. | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | cool | 14:08 |
| mtnman | seems you are better at saying stuff than listening :) | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | its hot here | 14:09 |
| mtnman | no offense intended | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | 31C in the shadows | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((someone should write a good 0xffff howto)) and 0xFFFF does NOT need libusb? | 14:09 |
| mtnman | it was 11C indoors here for most of the day :) | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | lucky you | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | in car it goes up to 35-40C | 14:10 |
| mtnman | my hands got too cold to type, so i lit a fire. | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | grab some half-mittens? | 14:10 |
| * mtnman has no car | 14:10 | |
| KotCzarny | the ones with fingers cut | 14:10 |
| mtnman | i have always resisted those | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | in the winter i've used them | 14:11 |
| mtnman | for typing? | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | when i worked in badly heated building | 14:11 |
| Ras_Older | oh yeah those are awesome | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 14:11 |
| mtnman | i'll think about it | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | and n900 doesnt need those ressitive ones | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | so you can grab some for 1-2eur | 14:11 |
| * mtnman prefers to light a fire | 14:12 | |
| KotCzarny | http://www.iaminthestore.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/dca5dbeb0da86656ca8438b075f39329/B/e/Best_Quality_Deathrock_Skeleton_Pattern_Knitted_Warm-Keeping_Average_Size_Half_Finger_Gloves_Elastic_Half_Finger_Gloves_Mittens_White_1.jpg | 14:12 |
| mtnman | i know some people who wear those under shell mittens on less cold days | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | they are good if you have to type in cold room | 14:13 |
| mtnman | by the way, the ones in the picture are gloves. mittens don't have fingers. | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | mittens, glove, with fingers cut they work the same ;) | 14:14 |
| KotCzarny | also, english is not my primary language | 14:14 |
| mtnman | i realize that. it is why i explained it to you. | 14:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:14 |
| KotCzarny | and just to make sure your eyes remember: oscp (old school console player) | 14:15 |
| KotCzarny | and it doesnt matter it's much more than console | 14:15 |
| mtnman | you can stop now. i made a note of it. | 14:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) tea time | 14:17 |
| KotCzarny | and since you did clean flash, you know about cssu? | 14:17 |
| mtnman | yes, after restore it is my next step. | 14:18 |
| mtnman | as opposed to NeXTSTEP | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then cssu howto will already tell you about: | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 14:23 |
| infobot | hmm... backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 14:23 |
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| erlehmann | has anyone done a second-curtain flash with the n900? http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/h/1771 | 16:11 |
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| bencoh | fcamera (the app) has no flash support | 16:12 |
| bencoh | fcam (the lib) does, though ... so you'd just need to patch it (or patch rawcam) | 16:13 |
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| stryngs | Has anyone in here completly removed the gcc 4.2 environment from their n900? | 17:18 |
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| KotCzarny | removed? | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | apt-get remove ? | 17:23 |
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| stryngs | As in I'd like 4.6 to be the main environment KotCzarny | 17:42 |
| stryngs | I've got a switcheroo thingie I do, which works, but I get a lot of LD issues | 17:43 |
| stryngs | http://termbin.com/rdvi | 17:43 |
| stryngs | Things like that | 17:43 |
| stryngs | I dunno if its the way I have the environment setup or whatnot | 17:43 |
| stryngs | It builds just fine, but still, figure it might be cleaner if I rip out the 4.2 stuff | 17:43 |
| totalizator | KotCzarny: I have found a nice remote GUI for the oscp :3 http://i.imgur.com/qFFPPOa.png | 17:44 |
| totalizator | it's called GoTYY - https://github.com/yudai/gotty " Share your terminal as a web application" | 17:45 |
| totalizator | you can run ARM release from here https://github.com/yudai/gotty/releases on a N900 and it works just fine | 17:46 |
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| KotCzarny | stryngs, 4.6 in repos is broken, ie. generating bad binaries | 18:00 |
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| KotCzarny | totalizator, nice | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | you can post it to tmo if you've tried it | 18:01 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: Do we have 4.7? | 18:04 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: I've built a couple different things with 4.6, and it works well, the stuff I've built; ld issues aside | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | stryngs, i think it misbuilt something for me | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | and 4.7 is available | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | here | 18:06 |
| stryngs | wow | 18:06 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: very cool | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | its about cssu, but works on stock too | 18:06 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: So that begs the question, CAN 4.2 be removed? | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | stryngs, from device itself? yes, in sb? doesnt matter as you can setup different toolchain target | 18:07 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: I don't use sb | 18:07 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: I will check into the 4.7 info; very handy | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | sb is convenient | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | easy to backup/restore, and if something breaks it doesnt bring down the device | 18:08 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: Right, but still. Hmm, so it seems I have to build 4.7 | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | could be tricky | 18:09 |
| stryngs | Oh well, it'll be worth it; I'm going through an image change right now | 18:09 |
| stryngs | For 4.4, does it work well? | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | i have tried gcc from 4.4.x to 4.9.x, and it didnt build out of the bat | 18:09 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: 4.4 has .debs though | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | havent tried | 18:09 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: k. | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | but 4.7 works fine | 18:10 |
| stryngs | Yeah, but I don't have the 4.7 .deb =/ | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | i've build whole oscp with it and it worked ok | 18:10 |
| * stryngs doesn't use scratchbox. | 18:10 | |
| * stryngs prefers to natively build. | 18:10 | |
| KotCzarny | n900 is fine for smaller packages, but if i have 6 core 3.3ghz machine handy, why not using it? | 18:11 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: Agreed; it's just not for me =) | 18:11 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: KotCzarny So do you have the .debs handy for 4.7? | 18:11 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 18:11 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: Ah, feel like making some? =) | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, gcc didnt build for me | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | tried from 4.4 to 4.9 | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | and probably needs some patching | 18:12 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: Ah, so you only attempted with sb, not natively | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | (we have old libc) | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | ive tried compiling gcc IN sb | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | so it was kind if native | 18:12 |
| stryngs | Interesting. | 18:13 |
| stryngs | When I get some time, I'll see what I can do about building it natively | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | but it was failing in stage3 usually | 18:13 |
| stryngs | It would be nice to have 4.7 ON the n900 | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, i suspect old libs | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | and some arm quirks | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | if you manage, prepare the patch and howto please :) | 18:14 |
| KotCzarny | or just build into /opt/gcc47 | 18:14 |
| KotCzarny | for easy moving | 18:14 |
| stryngs | I'll give it a whirl | 18:16 |
| Sicelo | looks like i'm the only one not finding fault with tracker :$ | 18:17 |
| Sicelo | :) | 18:17 |
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| * stryngs attempts to build 4.7.4 -------> Natively. | 18:36 | |
| stryngs | And yes | 18:36 |
| * stryngs IS crazy | 18:36 | |
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| Ras_Older | good kinda crazy | 18:37 |
| stryngs | Ras_Older: I deb'd your work | 18:37 |
| stryngs | Ras_Older: As well, u don't need to mod reaver | 18:37 |
| stryngs | it built without your mods | 18:37 |
| stryngs | http://ethicalreporting.org/foo.tgz if u want it | 18:38 |
| stryngs | f5c534a0f6100435746ede8ddc8ae16b91b1e3ea reaver_1.5.2-fork-t6_x_armel.deb | 18:38 |
| sla_erick | Hi everyone, what do you recommend between installing kernel power or cssu? what are the differences | 18:38 |
| stryngs | 0e15fab3dede917388dab15f054ac899f8bbfa24 pixiewps_1.1_armel.deb | 18:38 |
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| Vajb | sla_erick: you can have them both. Kernel power is just updated kernel, but cssu is like mostly updated maemo operating system. | 18:44 |
| sla_erick | Vajb: thanks, so as of today, is it better to have the cssu than the pr 1.3.1? | 18:46 |
| kerio | it's been better to have cssu for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong time | 18:47 |
| Vajb | i prefer cssu. It's community build newest possible maemo. pr 1.3.1 s just where Nokia left off | 18:47 |
| sla_erick | okay, Ill definately try it then. Thanks guys | 18:48 |
| sla_erick | do you recommend first installing power kernel or cssu? | 18:48 |
| Vajb | i think it doesn't matter, but i have a feeling i did cssu first | 18:51 |
| Vajb | also there is atleast three versions of cssu | 18:52 |
| Vajb | cssu-stable, cssu-testing and cssu-thumb | 18:52 |
| Vajb | i have a cssu-testing and it's stablest operating system what i have had in nokia phones | 18:53 |
| bencoh | do not install thumb before a kernel with thumb support (recent kernel-power for instance) | 18:54 |
| sla_erick | okay. One more thing, I have the extras repo enabled and also the OVI. Im getting the repos from wiki.maemo.org/Repository. Do I need to have any other enabled repo? I see "Nokia Applications" and "Nokia System Software Updates" but I dont know if I need those | 18:55 |
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| Vajb | cssu install will automatically pull repos it needs | 18:58 |
| Vajb | just follow instructions on cssu page | 18:58 |
| bencoh | Vajb: except for the nokia repositories | 18:58 |
| bencoh | but CSSU should be fine regarding that now | 18:58 |
| Vajb | oh yeah they can't be pulled automagically since they are on different place now? | 18:59 |
| bencoh | exactly | 18:59 |
| Vajb | hmm maybe i should do fresh install just to see how it works out now | 19:00 |
| sla_erick | great, so now I have to decide what cssu, Vajb says that testing is the stablest to him. How about thumb? the wiki article N900 perfect setup says to install cssu thumb | 19:01 |
| Vajb | well cssu-stable should be stablest them all, but i just wanted to note that testing is also stable for me :) | 19:03 |
| Vajb | i have thumb on my other device, but can't be sure if it is as stable or not since my other device is somehow faulty and is not stable even with cssu-stable | 19:04 |
| sla_erick | I think I'll go with the stable | 19:06 |
| bencoh | thumb more or less follows testing | 19:07 |
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| Sicelo | thumb is stable too and expected to be faster | 19:14 |
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| KotCzarny | ~cssu | 19:33 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | ~kp | 19:33 |
| infobot | i guess kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94287 | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | you can use kernel-power with 1.3.1 and it's good | 19:33 |
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| Vajb | Pali: i discovered odd feature on custom hostmode.sh. When connected to my usb powerbank (Oyama) it is recognized as computer everytime i ask bnf to give me information about charge state. | 20:48 |
| Pali | what is recognized as computer? | 20:48 |
| Vajb | usb powerbank | 20:49 |
| Pali | and what do you mean by "recognized"? | 20:49 |
| Vajb | it pops up that thing where you selec mass memory or pc suite mode. | 20:49 |
| Vajb | select* | 20:49 |
| Vajb | wall charger did that just once so far. | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it fakes pc for more compatibility | 20:52 |
| Vajb | i don't know. My other powerbank is always recognized as wall charger | 20:53 |
| Vajb | so maybe that one just shitty | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | dont confuse standard vs shitty | 20:54 |
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| Vajb | well to be honest i paid some money for that weird acting powerbank | 20:55 |
| Vajb | other is just cheap corporate gift | 20:55 |
| Vajb | it has single cell | 20:56 |
| Vajb | i think it is the same cell which one user used to power his n900 with | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that weird acting powerbank simply has an apple-compliant resistor network on USB datalines, I guess. The N900 detects this as USB host | 21:06 |
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| Vajb | and it gets redetected always when i use bnf. | 21:08 |
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| Vajb | im not sure if defaul hostmode.sh act like that or not. | 21:11 |
| Vajb | afk now | 21:11 |
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| Pali | >>> [19:49:44] <Vajb> it pops up that thing where you selec mass memory or pc suite mode. <<< usbmode.sh has nothing with it | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | here's what I seem to recall: generally there's a function somewhere in Maemo that on detection of VBUS checks if D+ and D- are shorted. When they are not, the attached voltage supply is considered as coming from a USB host. There's also a race in all that, so every once in a while it even detects genuine Nokia wallcharger as USB host | 22:19 |
| kerio | yea if you win the race you get to charge your battery more slowly | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | dont be a racist then | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly, since until USB ENUM (which a charger obviously won't do) the N900 is charging with 100mA then | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of which ~50mA are readily eaten by USB musb core etc itself | 22:22 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wait, it's that bad? | 22:22 |
| kerio | i thought it would charge at 500 | 22:22 |
| kerio | instead of 900 | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, 500 only after ENUM | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia was *very* cautious to not fry any USB host | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and prolly this also been a requirement of USB cert | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *might* be wrong, they might have changed that with PR1.1 or whatever | 22:26 |
| freemangordon | yep, if wall charger is not detected, and there is no USB enum, the current is 100mA | 22:29 |
| freemangordon | btw: hi! | 22:29 |
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| merlin1991 | sup | 22:40 |
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| KotCzarny | tuesday | 22:43 |
| merlin1991 | kinda lateish, yep | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi merlin1991, long time no see | 23:11 |
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