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| Sicelo | Vajb_: hald-addon-bme? in connection with usb-mode issue? | 00:12 |
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| Vajb_ | Pali told me that hald-addon-bme is responsible for light | 00:13 |
| Vajb_ | and actually i managed to turn off the blue led by issuing "kill hald-addon-bme, stop mce, start mce, stop mce, start mce" , but Pali told me it is not goos to go and adviced to reboot | 00:15 |
| Vajb_ | goos=good* | 00:15 |
| Sicelo | i guess dsme won't like that stop mce too much | 00:16 |
| Vajb_ | so Sicelo it's up to you now. Compile hald-addon-bme with debug symbols and see what prints /tmp/hald-addon-bme.log IF i recall all that correctly. | 00:17 |
| Vajb_ | well if you do too much start and stop mce it eventually refuses to start mce for awhile | 00:18 |
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| Sicelo | yes, dsme begins to think something's wrong with mce .. if you keep forcing it, dsme will simply reboot device anyway | 00:19 |
| Sicelo | i'll have to find time for compiling .. haven't booted my scratchbox in a long time | 00:20 |
| Vajb | Sicelo: be sure to ask confirmed instructions from Pali. My explanation can't be trusted that much :) | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | stop mce is safe. kill mce isn't | 01:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 thinks hald-addon-bme shouldn't mess with notifier light | 01:08 | |
| bencoh | start/stop/start/stop/start/stop doesn't seem to be safe either | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 01:08 |
| bencoh | I had n900 reboot a few times when doing this | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno (to lazy to look up) what `stop mce` or `start nmce` does. Could check in upstart event files. But I'd guess it actually *tells* dsme to stop the mce process, so dsme should be happy with that, no matter how often you do it | 01:10 |
| bencoh | unless there is a silly timer somewhere or a race (or both) | 01:10 |
| Vajb | if you do stop-start cycle too many times in certain time period. Mce refuses to start for few minutes. | 01:11 |
| Vajb | but no forced reboot for me today. | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/35983988 http://paste.opensuse.org/43524056 | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if there's a problem with repeatedly doing `start mce` && `stop mce` then that's a bug in dsme | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: how does "refuses to start" manifest? | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, what's the error message? | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or does upstart return without error msg and yet there's no mce process in process list, after `start mce` ? | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# initctl status mce | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mce (start) running | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/45586020 | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# status mce | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mce (start) running | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and device forgot it's connected to fastcharger, after `stop mce && sleep 5 && start mce` (or my USB starts getting old, seen problems with it before) | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DANG! could somebody please fix dsme(tool)? http://paste.opensuse.org/71910775 | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously somebody had a massive hangover, not resetting dsme's internal restart counter on killing a process with -k | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (hangover while coding) | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 01:41 |
| bencoh | "not resetting dsme's internal restart counter on killing a process with -k" so that's a timer/counter issue ? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a bug in dsme | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it increments internal restart-counters on each start, but forgets to reset them on killing the same job | 01:44 |
| bencoh | meh :)) | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | formally this is in line with the specs, but it's a highly unexpected and nonsensical behavior | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the respawn-counter should count process aborts that are NOT initiated by dsme. And it probably should even reset the internal counter on any start command for a process | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all the whole thing is meant to keep processes alive and worst case automatically restart them. Not block user from manually restarting them | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen freemangordon | 01:50 |
| infobot | freemangordon <~ivo@46.249.74.23> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13d 11h 22m 31s ago, saying: 'spongie: nice talk, but I have to leave. still, try to resurrect your n900 with booting rescueos on it :)'. | 01:50 |
| Pali | do you mean hald-addon-bme? | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, I meant dsme which is borked | 01:51 |
| Pali | HAL is broken by design... we cannot fix this *addon*s problems | 01:51 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: that paste log is not from dsme but from upstart | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (HAL) well, I wondered whether hald-addon-bme is the right process to send notification dbus msgs to mce | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I know that | 01:52 |
| Pali | and it is problem in upstart | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however http://paste.opensuse.org/35983988 | 01:52 |
| Pali | "respawning too fast, stopped" | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 01:52 |
| Pali | no idea how to fix that maemonized upstart | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then upstart is *really* idiotic program | 01:53 |
| Pali | this is maemo upstart | 01:53 |
| Pali | normal ubuntu upstart do not do that | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still guess it's a dsme message | 01:53 |
| Pali | years ago I tried to fix that problem, but no chance... | 01:53 |
| Pali | no this is upstart for sure, I know that! | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I could try. but not now, about to get that beer that's waiting for me out there :-) | 01:54 |
| Pali | dsme autorespawn works fine | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, when you say you know, I won't bother to check. You know your shit. However it's a pity we can't fix it | 01:55 |
| Pali | fix could be possible, but that means to read and understand that old maemonized upstart code | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what did they do to maemo upstart? | 01:55 |
| Pali | which is not ubuntu upstart | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sucks | 01:56 |
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| Pali | I do not want to touch init process without 100% knowledge of all changes | 01:57 |
| Pali | this is high risk | 01:57 |
| Pali | broken pid 1 means non working system | 01:57 |
| Pali | without way to recover | 01:57 |
| kerio | let's just move to systemd | 01:58 |
| kerio | :> | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes I know :-) However I guess PID1 *is* broken. Look at http://paste.opensuse.org/98152157, says it all already. I feel an urge to bash somebody | 01:59 |
| Pali | leave this channel | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Alternatively if --by-id is given...<< WTF?! where is this listed? | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this prolly is >> -i, --id arguments are job ids, instead of names<<, NOT >>--by-id<<, suckers!! | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# initctl --version | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | initctl (upstart 0.3.8) | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Copyright (C) 2007 Canonical Ltd. | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no word about maemo or Nokia | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, bbl. cya | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: you could stop mce once with `stop mce`, then start it with `/usr/sbin/dsmetool -n -1 -t "/sbin/mce --force-syslog"` and stop with `/usr/sbin/dsmetool -k "/sbin/mce --force-syslog" ` | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | stuff like >>/usr/bin/tonegend -s cept -b 100 -r 20 -D module-stream-restore.id=x-maemo-key-pressed -I media.role=phone,module-stream-restore.id=sink-input-by-media-role:phone -N media.role=phone,mod<< makes me shudder | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since: | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# tonegend --help | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usage: tonegend [-h] [-d] [-u username] [-s {cept | ansi | japan}] [-b buflen_in_ms] [-r min_req_time_in_ms] [-i] [-8] [-S] [--tag-dtmf tags] [--tag-indicator tags] [--tag-notif tags] [--volume-dtmf volume] [--volume-indicator volume] [--volume-notif volume] | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thankyou for missing -D and -t and -N | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/-t/-I/ | 04:18 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: thankyou for missing -D and -I and -N | 04:18 |
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| Maxdamantus | Hmm .. what causes the VDQ to reset to 0 shortly before EDV1 goes to 1? | 05:46 |
| Maxdamantus | https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/702809177892347cb778 | 05:48 |
| Maxdamantus | (that isn't actually the original bq27200.sh script—I modified it to read the registers from /sys instead of using i2c directly) | 05:49 |
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| Maxdamantus | also, regarding upstart/systemd/pid1 .. I've just been setting my laptop up without such an init system. | 06:07 |
| Maxdamantus | it just has an initramfs that mounts a filesystem and calls a second init script from there, which starts some gettys, udev, syslog, etc | 06:09 |
| Maxdamantus | and the root filesystem is actually just directly from that initramfs. | 06:09 |
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| Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: it says something about mce respawning too fast and that process is halted. Also i read mention about that in maemo wiki. https://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns#Low_Level <- dont care about low level, but look below last code box. Line starting "Please note:..." | 09:54 |
| Vajb | and by reading your lines I can probably say that you read it already :) | 09:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=LED_patterns&diff=prev&oldid=27181 :-) | 13:27 |
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| Ras_Older | Has anyone been able to get Pixie WPS working on N900? I grabbed the git clone but make spits errors to my terminal.. Just wondering if I'm wasting my time trying to get this to working condition :D | 14:29 |
| KotCzarny | that errors? | 14:29 |
| Ras_Older | Yep just a sec I'll put that to pastebin | 14:31 |
| Ras_Older | http://pastebin.com/7ByQXfD7 thats what I'm getting currently and the pixie wps git clone is from https://github.com/wiire/pixiewps | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | looks like error in system headers? | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | also, looks like you are trying to compile on device | 14:33 |
| Ras_Older | yep | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | have you tried scratchbox build? | 14:33 |
| Ras_Older | nah | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | my sb is off at the moment so i cant check | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | where did your /usr/include come from? | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | or /usr/include/asm specifically | 14:34 |
| Ras_Older | pixiewps.c has include for asm/byteorder.h where that comes from | 14:36 |
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| KotCzarny | thats what i've asked you | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | you can try fixing it yourself, or trying different file | 14:39 |
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| Ras_Older | Yep looking at the source codes right now. Dunno if my programming-fu is strong enough but meh I'll give it a go and see what breaks :'D | 14:40 |
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| KotCzarny | make a backup ;) | 14:41 |
| Ras_Older | Yeaaaah safe to say that if this baby takes a dive because I did a mistake I'm just going to reflash it and start from scratch. It has lots of old stuff and project in it that I've haven't been using in couple years | 14:42 |
| Ras_Older | *mumbles* pointers... why does it have to have pointers... | 14:48 |
| Ras_Older | I really hated those while at school studying programming :D | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | they are kind of shortcuts | 14:54 |
| KotCzarny | and sometimes you can meet mugger in the back alley | 14:54 |
| Ras_Older | :D true | 14:55 |
| KotCzarny | they are convenient if used cautiously | 14:55 |
| Ras_Older | Summa summarum this problem is happening because my gcc is too old on this phone. This is why you mentioned the SB? | 14:57 |
| KotCzarny | no, because you might have copied wrong files | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | and /usr/include/asm/ is system area, so most likely you just copied wrong version | 14:59 |
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| KotCzarny | dont remember which package maintains them, i suspect either glibc, kernel or gcc | 15:01 |
| Wizzup | linux headers iirc | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Ras_Older: building on device is a pretty poor (or geeky) idea | 15:46 |
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| KotCzarny | doc, but i must admit, n900 is one of the very few phones that can produce it's own binaries | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it _can_ but it's generally cumbersome to set up a working environment. And once it works, it takes ages | 15:48 |
| KotCzarny | sure, but still | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, N900 is a plain linux device :-) | 15:49 |
| KotCzarny | and thats why it's so unique | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with nasty closed blobs but still | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb | 15:51 |
| infobot | somebody said scratchbox was a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 15:51 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if neo900 project would help replacing some of those closed packages | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neo900 project supports fptf | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf | 15:51 |
| infobot | well, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 15:51 |
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| KotCzarny | i meant the other way, kind of backporting some hw specific packages | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 project itself won't engage in sw development (except for generic drivers for hardware that's not (yet) found in mainline kernel) | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "we" don't have nagic knowledge of any kind, to do any such backporting or RE of closed blobs | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | magic even | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | nagic is a fine word | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we just guarantee there will be a driver available for all hardware except where explicitly noted (PVR, peripherals firmware blobs) | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a FOSS driver | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for PVR there are non-FOSS drivers straight from TI afaik | 15:56 |
| KotCzarny | personal video recorder? | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly violent revenge | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the GPU in our SoC | 15:57 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: PowerVR | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://omappedia.org/wiki/Graphics#SGX_software_components | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://listas.gnu.org.ve/pipermail/powervr-devel/2012-September/000036.html | 15:58 |
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| kerio | rip obsd compatibility | 16:19 |
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| bencoh | krkr | 16:44 |
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| Vajb | is anyone using dropn900? And how come fixed version isn't on repos? | 21:00 |
| Vajb | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1340431&postcount=443 | 21:03 |
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| Sicelo | i am using DropN900 | 21:32 |
| Vajb | installed via those instructions? | 21:36 |
| Sicelo | i believe so .. haven't clicked your link yet | 21:36 |
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| Vajb | :p | 21:36 |
| Sicelo | not in repos because the maintainer request was not responded to | 21:36 |
| Sicelo | afaik | 21:37 |
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| Vajb | yes i read explanation from last page, but my enter finger here was faster | 21:40 |
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| totalizator | my holidays are over, I'm back home and it's not a bit cooler Q__Q | 22:42 |
| totalizator | but hey, I heve met a new friend http://imgur.com/a/4AfkI | 22:43 |
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| Maxdamantus | Psh. There's a video of the guy who ported Plan 9 to the Raspberry Pi compiling the kernel on-device in a couple of minutes. | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | jealous? | 23:01 |
| Maxdamantus | I think he says there it takes about 40 minutes to compile the entire OS. | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | plan9 or 9front | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | because 9front already works on the pi | 23:01 |
| Maxdamantus | Plan 9. | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | Well, you seem to be certain | 23:01 |
| Maxdamantus | Plan 9 also works, because of this guy. | 23:01 |
| Maxdamantus | I don't think it was 9front. | 23:02 |
| Wizzup | Don't see a reason to use plan9 - it is not being developed afaik | 23:02 |
| Wizzup | 9front is | 23:02 |
| Maxdamantus | in any case 9front probably also works because of the same code contributed by the same guy. | 23:02 |
| Wizzup | Maxdamantus: you're right: https://bitbucket.org/mischief/plan9front/commits/1b61f86d62e94506a938ceb3dc684189#chg-sys/src/9/rpi/READMEhttps://bitbucket.org/mischief/plan9front/commits/1b61f86d62e94506a938ceb3dc684189#chg-sys/src/9/rpi/README | 23:08 |
| Wizzup | bleh, double link | 23:08 |
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| Maxdamantus | it doesn't really make sense to port 9front. You can write fundamental code like that for Plan 9 and have the 9front/9atom/whatever distributions copy it in. | 23:27 |
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