| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: again ? :D | 00:05 |
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| bencoh | how hot is it now ? | 00:05 |
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| Sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: why camera key? what's wrong with power key? | 00:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bencoh: the same, I have now lowered the HDD and MB temps tho. I have been waiting on a 4 pin fan extension cable. | 00:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: easier and less buggy | 00:07 |
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| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: I was looking for one two days ago | 00:21 |
| bencoh | couldn't find it in a physical store, so eventually I went for a 3-pin fan running at fullspeed all the time :/ | 00:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ebay in the end, I needed a ~900mm one. Fan in the lower front, header on the upper back. | 00:22 |
| bencoh | 900mm ? | 00:23 |
| bencoh | you mean 90? :) | 00:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no 900 | 00:23 |
| bencoh | almost one meter ? | 00:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 00:24 |
| bencoh | didn't know you could use that for a computer nowadays | 00:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | as I say the header was the complete opposite end of the board | 00:24 |
| bencoh | oooh, you mean the extension cable, not the fan itself :D | 00:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 00:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh you meant fan :) | 00:25 |
| bencoh | yeah :) | 00:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | No I fitted the fans last week. 3x90mm in the case and 2x120mm on the CPU | 00:26 |
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| bencoh | nice :) | 00:29 |
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| bencoh | hm, sata hotswap really is pure love | 00:30 |
| kerio | it's not love | 00:35 |
| kerio | shrek is love | 00:36 |
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| Win7Mac | sixwheeledbeast, CPU temp still below room temp? ;) | 00:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Showing 24C at the moment so slightly above room temp. | 00:48 |
| Win7Mac | sounds reasonable, he? | 00:49 |
| * kerio checks the sensors | 00:55 | |
| kerio | 50°, 47° | 00:55 |
| kerio | with fans at full blast | 00:55 |
| kerio | ayy lmao | 00:55 |
| Win7Mac | kerio, expected temp? | 00:59 |
| kerio | no clue | 00:59 |
| kerio | if i don't manually crank up the fans they stay at minimum speed | 01:00 |
| kerio | so clearly the expected temp is higher :> | 01:00 |
| Win7Mac | no prob for CPU | 01:01 |
| kerio | the thermal profile of the macbook pro is always a mystery | 01:02 |
| Win7Mac | macbook, facebook... all evil ;) | 01:03 |
| kerio | no way man | 01:03 |
| kerio | a macbook doesn't even have fans | 01:03 |
| kerio | i think | 01:03 |
| Win7Mac | haha | 01:04 |
| Win7Mac | you're kidding... | 01:04 |
| kerio | well i mean | 01:04 |
| kerio | it's an ipad with a keyboard | 01:05 |
| kerio | and a shittier cpu, to balance the x86_64 architecture | 01:05 |
| stryngs | Let's get creepy with teh irclogs... | 01:06 |
| stryngs | http://termbin.com/63uz | 01:06 |
| stryngs | =) | 01:06 |
| kerio | Win7Mac: 1.1ghz 2core intel core M | 01:08 |
| Win7Mac | that's in a macbook? | 01:10 |
| bencoh | kerio: macbooks (not air) have fan | 01:10 |
| bencoh | +s | 01:10 |
| kerio | the ipad air 2 has a 3core 1.5ghz A8x | 01:10 |
| bencoh | they just don't use it when idling | 01:10 |
| kerio | you can't make this shit up | 01:10 |
| kerio | Win7Mac: basically the macbook air is the macbook, the macbook is the macbook air | 01:10 |
| bencoh | what ? | 01:11 |
| kerio | bencoh: the entry-level mac laptop is the 11" macbook air, right now | 01:11 |
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| kerio | and the 13" costs as much as the old "standard" macbook | 01:12 |
| kerio | and the new "macbook" is a 12" x86_64 ipad with a keyboard and twice the pricetag | 01:13 |
| Win7Mac | whatever, my point been that you can't get CPU temp below room temp, no matter what domestic fan | 01:13 |
| kerio | bencoh: eyup, the macbook doesn't have a fan | 01:13 |
| bencoh | kerio: macbookair ? | 01:13 |
| kerio | no, macbook | 01:14 |
| bencoh | (or "entry-level mac laptop", whatever the new name is :p) | 01:14 |
| kerio | http://www.apple.com/macbook/ this shit right here | 01:14 |
| bencoh | yeah, that's an air, even if they don't call it "air" :D | 01:14 |
| kerio | with the fancy keyboard, the stupid-sounding colors and the NO USB PORTS | 01:14 |
| kerio | no way | 01:15 |
| bencoh | lol. | 01:15 |
| kerio | the air is actually a thing you can use to work | 01:15 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Well I am sure the higher temp is due to, a) adjusting the CPU fan speed from FULL ON to TEMP and b) having a lot more processes going on. | 02:07 |
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| Win7Mac2 | still... ;) how on earth would the room temp air blowing at a heatsink propelled by domestic fans cool anything below room temp? | 02:16 |
| kerio | Win7Mac2: you need https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d0B0Dli-1g in your life | 02:20 |
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| Win7Mac2 | kerio, fine. But I'm talking about fans, just like sixwheeledbeast uses them... | 02:26 |
| Win7Mac2 | refrigerator is a different thig of course | 02:27 |
| Win7Mac2 | *thing | 02:27 |
| Win7Mac2 | and again, sensors don't show absolute temps but relate to TjMax | 02:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<bencoh> the air cools down when it's accelerated)) no. It only cools down when decompressed | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | decompression often is resulting from former compression and accompanied by acceleration, maybe that's why you think the acceleration cools it down | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course when you got a can of compressed air and you open the valve, the air will escape in an accelerated jet. However it's the decompression that cools it down | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | air escaping a PC case being cooler than room temperature would mean the case accumulates heat inside and gets *very* hot *very* fast | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless the PC had another heat sink like e.g. a water hose and drain | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you would evaporate a liquid like water inside the PC, which could result in air that escapes being cooler than room temp but also much higher humidity | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics#Laws_of_thermodynamics | 05:26 |
| robbiethe1st | Want things cold? Use a modified car AC system with big honking motor to drive it. Might drive your electric bill through the roof, but you can get the temps to 0C. | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_conservation_law | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply: heat never can vanish, you only can transport it from A to B, store it somewhere, or create it from other forms of energy | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy | 05:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >> Systems that are not isolated may decrease in entropy, provided they increase the entropy of their environment by at least that same amount.<< | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | entropy == heat, for this purpose | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when your PC "cools down the air" that comes out from the fan, it needs to deposit that heat elsewhere | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you move a heatsink through air at arbitrary speed (no matter if the heatsink or the air moves in relation to the observer), such heatsink will never get colder than the air, rather it will heat up from friction with air, see spaceshuttle | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when accelerated air would cool down, the spaceshuttle would need freezeshields, not heatshields ;-) | 05:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless in theory chainsawbike could have CPU temperature < room temp. There are chips with built-in Peltier elements. And there are heatsinks with Peltiers integrated | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err sixwheeledbeast, sorry chainsawbike | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a more down-to-earth note: PC thermal management (firmware) is known to often be cheesy. Destination temperature for CPU is ~70 to 80 centigrade | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so worst case your fans go from full stop to full power at CPU reaching that temperature | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | smarter thermal management firmware does a smoother regulation of fan speed | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course you can adjust the destination temp to lower values, unless you got a completely locked down BIOS/thermal-mgmt | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2015/08/28/plasma-desktopfM1947.png | 05:51 |
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| Oksanaa | bencoh, were you musing about porting elinks to fremantle? while elinks-compiled-for-diablo does manage to open https links (sometimes), it can also display blank document on a url which is opened nicely in links-compiled-for-fremantle | 05:55 |
| Oksanaa | And news about xchat-and-ircs-freenode would be welcome. Chatzilla is usable, but heavy. | 05:59 |
| Svetlana | package a balloon. when attached to an app it makes it fly high up in the sky :) | 06:02 |
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| Oksanaa | I am sleepy (as in, have a cold), so will not read logs until a week later, I guess | 06:07 |
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| KotCzarny | oksanaa, ive compiled elinks with ssl and js support yesterday for fremantle, works without any hacks | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | so its just a matter of packaging and uploading (balloons could work) | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: worn flat, i should glue bit of metal in place probably | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | ive waited for edv1 to go 1, then fully charged, ci is now 0, shall i cycle it once more or its calibrated already? | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ci=0 == calibration correct | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though it doesn't account of adjustment limitation which is 1/8 aka 12% iirc | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | i didnt kill bme, so voltage was around 3200something at the start | 07:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you wanna be sure, rinse and repeat, then compare if LMD changed significantly. If it didn't change too much, it's actually properly calibrated | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | lmd will charge because it still is invalid from ci=1 | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | s/charge/change/ | 07:29 |
| infobot | KotCzarny meant: lmd will change because it still is invalid from ci=1 | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | typing from n900 is cool but typo prone | 07:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | where from bq27200 datasheet you got " lmd will change because it still is invalid from ci=1" ? | 07:31 |
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| KotCzarny | well, now it shows 1790 so i assume its invalid, and will show correct value after first cycle with ci=0 | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you just said your ci=0 | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I told you that means it completed a learning cycle and LMD supposed to be correct, unless last adjustment of LMD (during learning cycle) got limited by the "maximum 12% change" rule | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | could be | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | it was going nuts earlier | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | like 2800 | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus I suggested to redo and see if adjustment of LMD is <<12%, which means it's actually correct | 07:34 |
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| KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=T5rHV8FW | 07:37 |
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| KotCzarny | elinks can copy links on touch, nice | 07:39 |
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| KotCzarny | oksanaa, ive compiled elinks with ssl and js support yesterday for fremantle, works without any hacks | 07:43 |
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| Sicelo | what battery is that KotCzarny? but yeah, DocScrutinizer05 was correct. It clearly says in your paste "Cycle Count since Learning: 0" | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: 6yo original that came with my n900 | 08:31 |
| Sicelo | then your capacity is "too" high .. meaning it will steadily go down (subject to the 6-12% limit mentioned) | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | thats why i got around to calibrate it | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder why it became invalid after all those yearsa | 08:39 |
| Sicelo | exchanged batteries perhaps? it resets to 2056mAh when cleared | 08:41 |
| Maxdamantus | How does it know when a battery is exchanged? | 08:41 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05 will know. i don't. but it definitely "knows" somehow. i'll say voodoo :D | 08:42 |
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| KotCzarny | nope, i have only one bat | 08:42 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | oink | 08:49 |
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| bencoh | Oksana: hm I haven't found the time to do it yet, but yeah I'll probably port/build it eventually | 09:19 |
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| Vajb | that lock switch seems to be quite soft plastic. Because now when i look closely mine, i notice that it shows some wear on other end and is probably by nail. I don't use that "bumb" on slider, but push my nail between slider and slot to unlock | 10:14 |
| Vajb | is probably caused* | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | that only works when you have nails to use | 10:15 |
| Vajb | works if u have nail at all here | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | what about winter? (gloves) | 10:17 |
| Vajb | mostly i open slide | 10:18 |
| Vajb | use slider only to lock | 10:18 |
| Vajb | i had to relube slides behind screen. They started to squeak | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | doesnt that make them catch dirt? | 10:19 |
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| Vajb | probably, but i take it rather than squeak | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | mine doesnt squeak (yet) | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | it shows some wear on the back though | 10:22 |
| Vajb | of course i swiped all extra off | 10:22 |
| Vajb | and i used lube witch is carefull for electronics | 10:23 |
| Vajb | scratches behind screen? | 10:23 |
| Vajb | i have two paintless spots there | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | no, where slide mechanism touches back of the screen | 10:24 |
| Vajb | oh | 10:24 |
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| KotCzarny | we probably meant the same thing | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:25 |
| Vajb | could be :p | 10:25 |
| Vajb | btw last nite i was able to got that vibrate script for irssi to work! | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | you can make it blink the led too | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | or sms you, or anything | 10:26 |
| Vajb | and even managed to add feature to not vibrate if my status is away | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | now try that with droid | 10:27 |
| Vajb | yes i was thinking to maybe blink led if im away | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | or iphone | 10:27 |
| Vajb | rather not :) | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | and thats why n900 is so nice for people who like things customized | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | it's the firefox of the phones world | 10:28 |
| Vajb | yup gotta love it | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | with the difference of software being updated and hardware quite not | 10:28 |
| Vajb | or just true linux | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | almost true linux | 10:29 |
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| Vajb | exactly. Could have phrased it as "as true as it gets in hones" | 10:30 |
| Vajb | phones* | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | good enough [tm] | 10:30 |
| Vajb | yup | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | and even browser situation is acceptable if you dont rely on it most of the time | 10:31 |
| KotCzarny | elinks/midori/fennec/microb | 10:32 |
| Vajb | try qml-browser. I think im having a little crush with it hehe | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | might do, but as i said, i dont use browser much | 10:37 |
| Vajb | how elinks differs from links? | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | and my js scripts work fine in microb | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | elinks supports js | 10:37 |
| Vajb | i c | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | quirky, but often good enough | 10:37 |
| Vajb | i tried links but it crashes on most of the pages i use | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | if you want to try just grab the binary from the oscp download page | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | 500kB | 10:38 |
| Vajb | midori never used on phone and fennec is a tad slow | 10:38 |
| Vajb | nah no thanks | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | fennec is slow but works good on those js packed sites | 10:39 |
| Vajb | reason to try links was to get rid of commercials, but then i read that customs hosts file is way to go | 10:39 |
| Vajb | custom* | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | midori has built in adblock | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | compatible with firefox's one | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | so you can just use the lists you want | 10:40 |
| Vajb | but i read hosts file is still most economic | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | well | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | you need some things | 10:40 |
| Vajb | just not that convenient to maintain | 10:40 |
| Vajb | since i don't know much, i just form my opinios based on what i have read :) | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | personally i just use my own c proxy with the list of patterns i want to block personally | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | things like ad*.*.* or /ads/ | 10:41 |
| Vajb | any read up of that? | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | um? | 10:42 |
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| Vajb | things explained in web page | 10:42 |
| Vajb | like c proxy for dummies :) | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | i wrote c proxy for me from scratch because i wasnt able to find ready-made tool | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | junkbuster/privoxy is closest | 10:43 |
| Vajb | ah i see | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | but first one is unsupported and missing ftp support and privoxy is a bit heavy on configuration | 10:44 |
| Vajb | u prefer to write everything by urself | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | if i dont find solution that satisfy my needs, then yes | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | i've used junkbuster for a long time | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | and was happy with it | 10:45 |
| Vajb | well i would if i could also | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | grab, compile, run | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | it doesnt need anything special | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | and config is very easy | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | privoxy is in repos | 10:47 |
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| KotCzarny | but main thing about it is being able to run it everywhere (fe. on your router (openwrt)) | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | then all your devices can use one config without the hassle | 10:48 |
| Vajb | sounds convenient | 10:49 |
| Vajb | and probably is | 10:49 |
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| Vajb | oh yes, before i forgot. Since crunchbang linux is not maintained anymore. What would be ur choice for lightweight desktop distro? I have amd tb 1.3ghz with ~650mb of ram | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | um | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | there are few choices | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | personally i use slackware | 10:51 |
| Vajb | lubuntu and xubuntu feel bit bloated for my taste | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | but arch is nice | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | and gentoo is nice too | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | mint is another choice | 10:51 |
| Vajb | i was thinking of slackware, but does it use apt at all? | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | for your config just drop the gnome/kde and use fluxbox | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | slack didnt have package manager for a long time, now it has something similar (not apt, but package manager) | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | just switch to fluxbox or xfce | 10:52 |
| Vajb | so no more building from source? | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | and you should be fine even on *bundu | 10:53 |
| KotCzarny | *buntu | 10:53 |
| Vajb | i think crunchbang uses xfce | 10:53 |
| KotCzarny | slack never needed compiling from source, you think about gentoo | 10:53 |
| Vajb | ah. I was just remembering things ten years past and then i heard that slackware is hardest and purest of them all hehe | 10:54 |
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| kerio | just install debian | 10:56 |
| kerio | jeez | 10:56 |
| kerio | also buy a ssd | 10:57 |
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| Vajb | is there ssd with ide connector... | 10:58 |
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| kerio | probably not | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | but you are better of buying ide-msata adapter | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | cheaper and more options that way | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | for thinkpad x40 you will need 3.3V version, pc needs 5V one | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | do you need 2.5" or 3.5" one? | 11:06 |
| Vajb | well to be honest i don't think that that ide connection is that much of a bottle neck :) | 11:08 |
| Vajb | im happy with my ide disks till they last | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | traditional hdds are slow | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | and ssd are cheap nowadays | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | but | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | you can do even cheaper simply using ide--sata adapter | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-2in1-IDE-HDD-to-SATA-Hard-Drive-Serial-ATA-1-5-Gbp-Converter-ATA-100-133-FO-/261999647569?hash=item3d00655b51 | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | 2$ | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | free shipping | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | and trust me, ssd hdd speeds up those old machines | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | and even if you upgrade your pc you can put ssd there | 11:14 |
| Vajb | hmm my hdd might actually have ide and sata | 11:14 |
| Vajb | and if i get 512gb card for n900 i could as well ditch whole desktop | 11:14 |
| Vajb | it's just mostly music anyways | 11:15 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:15 |
| KotCzarny | and scratchbox? | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | backup? | 11:16 |
| Vajb | nope | 11:16 |
| Vajb | all files in sd card and that copied to memory stick | 11:16 |
| Vajb | usb host mode works here :) | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:17 |
| Vajb | still never used scratchbox | 11:17 |
| Vajb | nor did i ever try to program anything | 11:18 |
| Vajb | been planning to, just didn't get there yet | 11:18 |
| Vajb | im lazy :) | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | scratchbox is useful for compiling linux apps | 11:18 |
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| * Maxdamantus wants to someday see if he can daisychain SD cards. | 11:59 | |
| Maxdamantus | supposedly it is possible, but noone seems to actually do it. | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | no physical space available? | 11:59 |
| Humpelst1lzchen | Maxdamantus: spi mode? | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | and does it require controller support or just connecting them in some way? | 12:00 |
| Maxdamantus | Can't remember what SPI mode is. | 12:00 |
| Maxdamantus | it shouldn't require an extra controller. | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | spi mode is the basic (slowest) 1 bit mode i think | 12:00 |
| Maxdamantus | I think the speed would still be greater than the N900 can handle anyway. | 12:01 |
| Humpelst1lzchen | SD cards usually come with two busses, the slow spi mode most microcontroller can do and the proprietary SD bus modes | 12:02 |
| Maxdamantus | No, I mean using actual SD operation. | 12:03 |
| Maxdamantus | SD devices have addresses that they seem to be able to use in a network. | 12:03 |
| Maxdamantus | so if the destination address doesn't match the device, it forwards the message on to the next one. | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: 40(?) full charge-discharge cycles and CI=1 | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | which param is the cycle count? | 12:09 |
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| Vajb | from full to empty is one cycle | 12:35 |
| Vajb | from full to half to full is half cycle | 12:36 |
| Vajb | if i understood correctly what i read :) | 12:36 |
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| KotCzarny | ~autobuilder | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | ~builder | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 19:00 |
| bencoh | ~listvalues builder | 19:01 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'builder' by value (22 of 31): borland ;; bottem ;; builder xcessory pro for linux ;; classytcl ;; csb ;; ctbld ;; dennis ;; doc welder ;; ebuilder ;; epingle ;; foxpilot ;; freebuilder ;; jtb ;; kgui ;; korfe ;; lispworks ;; mason ;; pbuilder ;; port 888 ;; python builder ;; rpm builder ;; sci. | 19:01 |
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| KotCzarny | ~dennis | 19:01 |
| infobot | Automated DNS builder. URL: http://www.carumba.com/code/dennis/ | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | ~listvalues autobuilder | 19:02 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'autobuilder' by value returned no results. | 19:02 |
| bencoh | ~listvalues caldron | 19:02 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'caldron' by value returned no results. | 19:02 |
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| KotCzarny | ~literal #maemo autobuilder | 19:13 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: #maemo autobuilder is https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel#Autobuilder_special_considerations | 19:14 |
| infobot | KotCzarny: okay | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | ~autobuilder | 19:14 |
| infobot | somebody said autobuilder was https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel#Autobuilder_special_considerations | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | anyone remembers autobuilder log page? | 19:14 |
| bencoh | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ ? | 19:18 |
| bencoh | firefox does <3 | 19:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:18 |
| KotCzarny | i think about the one that lists recent builds and statuses | 19:18 |
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| Sicelo | 0S2008 had handwriting recognition .. could this possibly have been forward-ported to N900? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could, sure. prolly wasn't though | 23:02 |
| Sicelo | maybe closed source? | 23:03 |
| Sicelo | by the way .. i've never seen N770-810 in RL | 23:05 |
| Vajb | there are some handwriting tools on repo | 23:05 |
| Sicelo | really Vajb? let me check | 23:05 |
| Vajb | just did apt-cache search with handwriting | 23:05 |
| Vajb | at least chinese | 23:05 |
| Sicelo | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1543 . cellwriter port | 23:28 |
| Vajb | does gnuchess-book make some difference for osso-chess? | 23:35 |
| Vajb | like will it make game more varied or harder | 23:36 |
| Sicelo | doubt | 23:36 |
| Sicelo | looks like they slimmed it down a lot | 23:37 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: are you beating the chess? | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly :-) | 23:37 |
| Vajb | hah i wish | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | gossip has it it's been to good for one of the Nokia bosses | 23:37 |
| Vajb | but it just sounded better to ask if it makes it harde rather than easier ;) | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so he told the devels to add a few more "beginners levels" | 23:38 |
| Vajb | i installed it again and played maybe ten games so far. Won none | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | expected :-D | 23:39 |
| Vajb | and i used to think im ok at chess | 23:39 |
| Vajb | what happened of games being enjyable experience :D | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | osso-chess is pretty strong, allegedly (no chess player here, so I can't comment) | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just seem to remember there was a tale about a Nokia boss complaining just like you did ;-) | 23:41 |
| Vajb | hmm i have old kasparov travel chess computer laying around somewhere. I could arrange a tournament between them | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe! nice idea | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should report about that event in tmo, with a *lot* of screenshots | 23:42 |
| Vajb | it has only one problem tho. If used above mid level it takes like 20min to figure move | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the kasparov thingie? | 23:42 |
| Vajb | hah. Would be hottest thread of them all | 23:42 |
| Vajb | yes kasparov | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'll set up live video coverage! :-D | 23:43 |
| Vajb | hmm maybe for launch night of neo900. "see how neo900 slays Kasparov" :D | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I spammed the link almost everywhere now, so why not here. after all it's a lot about maemo OS in it: http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.mkv | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB this is a pre-release version that will get transcoded for lower datarate and better video and audio and some title screen at beginning | 23:45 |
| Oksanaa | :-) osso-chess uses gnu chess engine, and yes, it's quite strong. Though, I do wonder if a chess engine exists which analyses available chess games of opponent to figure out _personal_weaknesses and use them | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, that would be smart | 23:46 |
| Vajb | hmm quick q about dbus led's. If i activate it by dbus it will be lit till i deactivate it by dbus? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all, unlike human opponents, a computer can't learn to change its strategy | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: yup | 23:47 |
| Oksanaa | Instead of playing each game as if opponent was an unknown entity... Like, speech-to-text would ideally also use personal voice of each human, instead of catch-it-all template | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: or until you activate a higher prio pattern, and when you disable that other pattern, it's supposed to revert what been there | 23:48 |
| Vajb | heh reminds me of ardberk chess on s60v2. It made always the same moves so one had just to memorize moves to win to beat it | 23:48 |
| Vajb | hmm i have to think if it would be smarter for irssi notify | 23:50 |
| Vajb | tho im not that urgently needed by anyone, but who not to just do it because it is possible :) | 23:51 |
| Vajb | who=why* | 23:51 |
| Oksanaa | What is gnuchess-book (recommended by gnuchess) and why doesn't apt-cache know what it is? Not in repos? | 23:51 |
| Vajb | at least it contains opening moves | 23:52 |
| Vajb | dunno what else | 23:52 |
| Vajb | just saw that it was recommended when osso-chess-ui pulled gnuchess | 23:52 |
| Vajb | found debian version via google, but decided to ask first if it matters | 23:53 |
| Sicelo | gnuchess-book should contain openings and endings (for which no analysis is necessary) | 23:53 |
| Vajb | and so farim not convinced enough to install it | 23:53 |
| Vajb | far im* | 23:53 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: install, haha .. shouldn't break anything. but you'll need to be a strong player to even see the difference (if there will be) | 23:54 |
| Vajb | maybe i install it after i beat osso 10/10 | 23:55 |
| Vajb | https://packages.debian.org/sid/gnuchess-book | 23:56 |
| Oksanaa | Okay, so how does gnuchess analysis work? Does it in any place have a book of thousand and one chess games it has learned from? | 23:56 |
| Sicelo | don't think N900 has that | 23:56 |
| Vajb | maybe it has some voodoo like bme | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: it uses some game strategies, like minimax etc | 23:59 |
| Oksanaa | KotCzarny: elinks-compiled-for-diablo cannot open the link above on my N900. Can your elinks compiled-for-fremantle do that? | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the rest actually is "voodoo" | 23:59 |
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