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| R0b0t1 | DocScrutinizer05: I looked at that, but it seems to just backup my settings | 08:18 |
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| R0b0t1 | which, eh? maybe you meant something different | 08:19 |
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| R0b0t1 | has anyone tried to RE nolo yet | 13:25 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75504 | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | this guy played with it | 13:28 |
| R0b0t1 | neat | 13:30 |
| R0b0t1 | any way to put u-boot on device not on the device? | 13:31 |
| R0b0t1 | through USB or something | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | but look for u-boot threads if you must | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | ~uboot | 13:32 |
| infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | ~u-boot | 13:32 |
| infobot | from memory, u-boot is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 13:32 |
| bencoh | "on device not on the device" ? | 13:34 |
| R0b0t1 | yeah I tried searching and couldn't find any of that stuff | 13:34 |
| bencoh | what do you mean ? | 13:34 |
| R0b0t1 | I did get u-boot to compile successfully though! | 13:34 |
| R0b0t1 | bencoh: I mean, controlling the device via USB and not running commands on the device. | 13:34 |
| KotCzarny | see above | 13:34 |
| KotCzarny | especially cold boot wiki entry | 13:34 |
| R0b0t1 | I'm kind of miffed so much n900 development focuses on modifying the device from the device, that's the annoying way to do everything :\ | 13:34 |
| R0b0t1 | yeah now that I know what they call it | 13:34 |
| bencoh | I'd ask Pali about that | 13:35 |
| bencoh | but I guess uboot can be treated like a regular "kernel" from nolo's point of view | 13:35 |
| R0b0t1 | yeah | 13:35 |
| bencoh | and thus you might be able to just load uboot wih flasher or 0xffff | 13:36 |
| bencoh | then again, Pali is probably your best bet :) | 13:36 |
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| R0b0t1 | yeah I went to highlight him but he wasn't here | 13:39 |
| R0b0t1 | his kernel fork compiles though, which is far better than some of the devices I've used... | 13:39 |
| KotCzarny | http://i.imgur.com/OK9ew.jpg | 13:45 |
| KotCzarny | i shall make me some cat boot logo | 13:45 |
| APic | Kudos. | 13:46 |
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| KotCzarny | this n900 is really awesome in the way you can even boot nolo via usb | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | with zeroed nand | 13:58 |
| APic | Yes. | 13:59 |
| APic | Metafallbacks. B-) | 13:59 |
| Luke-Jr | what? if NAND is zeroed, then NOLO is gone, isn't it? | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but you can make it boot nolo via usb | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | unless i misread the thread | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | luke-jr: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 14:00 |
| Luke-Jr | Oh O.o | 14:01 |
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| bencoh | yes, this device is awesome :) | 14:10 |
| Luke-Jr | was* | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | IS | 14:13 |
| Luke-Jr | sorry, N900 is dead | 14:13 |
| bencoh | noooo! :) | 14:13 |
| Luke-Jr | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK1B8zpWIAANAIx.jpg:orig | 14:14 |
| * KotCzarny checks, nope, alive and doing what i want it to do | 14:14 | |
| bencoh | Luke-Jr: yeah, just not the size form-factor though | 14:14 |
| Luke-Jr | it's better :P | 14:14 |
| Luke-Jr | N900's size/form-factor has always been one of its weaknesses | 14:14 |
| bencoh | but yeah, might be going for pyra too (not as a replacement) | 14:14 |
| KotCzarny | but its ugly | 14:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:14 |
| KotCzarny | n900 size is ok | 14:15 |
| KotCzarny | keyboard could be bigger a bit | 14:15 |
| KotCzarny | but its ok | 14:15 |
| Luke-Jr | I miss my Zaurus keyboard. | 14:15 |
| Luke-Jr | I hope Pyra's is comparable. | 14:15 |
| bencoh | a bit too thick, and screen is small by today's standards, but ... | 14:15 |
| KotCzarny | i miss my thinkpads keyboard on everything | 14:15 |
| bencoh | Luke-Jr: all the layouts look horrible ... I dunno what they're going to release, but ... ^^ | 14:16 |
| bencoh | (pyra I mean) | 14:16 |
| Luke-Jr | final kb layout: http://boards.openpandora.org/uploads/post-1-0-88080100-1438221841.jpg | 14:17 |
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| KotCzarny | do they have 1point click or are sliding down? | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | i hate those cheap keycaps that wiggle | 14:18 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: I don't understand that question | 14:18 |
| bencoh | Luke-Jr: meh ESC at the top | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | +1 bencoh | 14:20 |
| Luke-Jr | at least it should all be remappable | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | but at least its there | 14:21 |
| bencoh | yeah | 14:21 |
| * Luke-Jr wonders if N900 even has an Esc, since he never uses it.. | 14:21 | |
| bencoh | n900 has no esc key | 14:21 |
| R0b0t1 | Luke-Jr: what is | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | i think its fn-ctrl | 14:22 |
| Luke-Jr | if I was going to complain, I think it'd be at the Ctrl key being so far from the thumbs | 14:22 |
| bencoh | mine is remapped to Fn+{the key next to backspace} | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | or shift ctrl | 14:22 |
| Luke-Jr | R0b0t1: ? | 14:22 |
| R0b0t1 | http://boards.openpandora.org/uploads/post-1-0-88080100-1438221841.jpg | 14:22 |
| bencoh | Luke-Jr: that too | 14:22 |
| Luke-Jr | R0b0t1: Pyra | 14:22 |
| bencoh | R0b0t1: pyra | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | last time i booted rescueos it was mapped there | 14:22 |
| bencoh | Luke-Jr: oO didn't see it was in the middle oO | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | and then found it on n900 | 14:22 |
| bencoh | seriously ... | 14:22 |
| Luke-Jr | as much as I like what they did with the editing keys, I might decide to remap those to Ctrl/Alt | 14:23 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: fn+ctrl is "compose" | 14:23 |
| bencoh | shift+ctrl doesnt do anything special here | 14:23 |
| KotCzarny | maybe its in console only | 14:24 |
| bencoh | I guess it's in rescueOS only | 14:24 |
| bencoh | or console | 14:24 |
| R0b0t1 | pyra looks pretty good | 14:25 |
| bencoh | woot marxian just released a RSS reader <3 | 14:26 |
| Luke-Jr | Pyra's biggest flaw seems to be void of cameras | 14:26 |
| bencoh | and size (doesnt fit in your pocket) | 14:28 |
| R0b0t1 | I'd say it's competing with something like the nvidia shield | 14:28 |
| R0b0t1 | it doesn't need to | 14:28 |
| R0b0t1 | but it'd be neat if they could get something that works in a smaller formfactor | 14:28 |
| bencoh | and it doesnt slide ... but that's an issue only if you think of it as a phablet on steroids (which it's probably not) | 14:29 |
| Luke-Jr | bencoh: what? Pyra should fit in pockets, I think? | 14:31 |
| R0b0t1 | large pockets. might be tight in a lot of jeans | 14:32 |
| bencoh | a really large one | 14:38 |
| bencoh | wont fit in mine | 14:38 |
| bencoh | or the backpocket maybe | 14:38 |
| KotCzarny | i dont mind clam designs | 14:38 |
| R0b0t1 | dangit | 14:39 |
| R0b0t1 | I think I'll have to wait for pali, all of these guides gloss over a lot of stuff | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | learn. read. try. | 14:40 |
| bencoh | R0b0t1: might be time for a spare n900 :] | 14:40 |
| R0b0t1 | well I know enough that I'd just be flailing blindly at this point | 14:40 |
| R0b0t1 | sadly I don't have easy access to a serial terminal to be able to control the system like on my other devboards | 14:40 |
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| bencoh | there is a way for that, but ... | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | ... | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | i've pasted n900's serial pinout before | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | you dont even check those links, do you? | 14:41 |
| bencoh | https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | yup, pasted it few days ago for the same question | 14:42 |
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| R0b0t1 | I do | 14:42 |
| R0b0t1 | I don't want to have to open it up | 14:42 |
| R0b0t1 | ;-; | 14:42 |
| R0b0t1 | "easy access" | 14:42 |
| R0b0t1 | not "any access" | 14:42 |
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| bencoh | you dont need to "open it up" but it's still not "easy", and you need a level shifter | 14:43 |
| bencoh | (or a 1.8V ttl) | 14:43 |
| bencoh | I wouldn't play with that | 14:44 |
| KotCzarny | especially that once can have easy usb networking | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | *one | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | or fbconsole | 14:45 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: fbconsole/usbnet in ... bootloader stage ? :D | 14:45 |
| bencoh | he wants to reverse nolo and/or play with uboot ;) | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | not only that | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | but for nolo, its just poking in the dark | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | unless you know arm asm | 14:46 |
| R0b0t1 | I have a 1.8V tty. If I can find some springy pins laying around, I'll use those so I don't have to solder to the pads. | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | or make 'connector' from cut plastic/wood with holes | 14:50 |
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| Luke-Jr | if Pyra works out for me, I'll probably be willing to sell my spare N900 | 14:56 |
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| stryngs | For monitor mode on the n900, is there a way to keep the NIC able to connect and associate with an AP? | 21:50 |
| stryngs | I know the current way does modprobe and such to enable the hacked driver | 21:50 |
| stryngs | Was curious on thoughts to enable both? | 21:50 |
| L29Ah | use the fresh kernel ;) | 21:51 |
| stryngs | frsh kernel? | 21:51 |
| stryngs | What do u mean? | 21:52 |
| stryngs | kp is what i have now | 21:52 |
| stryngs | kp53 is most recent, yes? | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | he means 4.x | 21:52 |
| stryngs | Hmm | 21:53 |
| stryngs | I'm using: kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-10power53_armel.deb | 21:53 |
| stryngs | Right now | 21:53 |
| stryngs | Are u saying I should use something else? | 21:54 |
| stryngs | kernelpower-bootimg, flasher, headers, modules | 21:54 |
| Pali | stryngs: kp53 contains also "hacked" wlan module | 22:10 |
| Pali | ~packet-injection | 22:10 |
| Pali | bah infobot is dead | 22:10 |
| stryngs | Right | 22:10 |
| stryngs | Pali: What I was wondering, is, if there is a way to enable monitor mode via iw | 22:11 |
| stryngs | versus having to run the script and modprobe the modules | 22:11 |
| Pali | stryngs: with packet injection modules, answer is yes | 22:11 |
| Pali | you need to unload normal and load packet injection modules | 22:11 |
| stryngs | Right | 22:11 |
| stryngs | And those modules, they take away the ability to connect to an access point, correct? | 22:11 |
| Pali | but now in kp53 should be packet injection module stable for everyday use | 22:11 |
| Pali | no, packet injection modules are just backported wl1251 modules from upstream kernel to 2.6.28 | 22:12 |
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| stryngs | So that leads me to two questions now: | 22:12 |
| stryngs | Monitor Mode/Packet Injection mode, EATS up the battery life | 22:12 |
| stryngs | You're saying they are stable for normal use? | 22:13 |
| Pali | in kp52 packet inkection wl1251 module sometimes crashed kernel | 22:13 |
| Pali | in kp53 this should be fixed | 22:13 |
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| stryngs | Ok, perhaps I need to play around with how I'm enabling monitor mode then | 22:13 |
| stryngs | Do you have the URL for the most current and proper way to load the modules Pali ? | 22:14 |
| stryngs | I know yer the author and all =) | 22:14 |
| Pali | monitor mode of course will eat more battery then normal managed mode | 22:14 |
| stryngs | Right | 22:14 |
| stryngs | I thought the simple act of modprobing the hacked drivers is what caused the drain | 22:14 |
| Pali | but normal mode of packed injestion wl1251 module should use same battery as stock module | 22:14 |
| Pali | no it should not | 22:15 |
| stryngs | Ok, very cool | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 22:15 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: thanks | 22:15 |
| stryngs | And the location for directions on enabling injection and drivers Pali ? | 22:15 |
| Pali | but if you ifconfig wlan0 up then it will eat battery | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys inject | 22:15 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'inject' by key (3): cmd: inject (.*?) ;; inject a robot who's sole job it ;; hot beef injection. | 22:15 |
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| Pali | there is some problem in wlancond/ic2/... when wl1251 is loaded *after* starting that daemons they can eat more battery | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget inject a robot who's sole job it | 22:16 |
| infobot | i forgot inject a robot who's sole job it, DocScrutinizer05 | 22:16 |
| Pali | and there is another thing: you need wlancond from CSSU | 22:16 |
| stryngs | Hmm | 22:16 |
| Pali | otherwise there will be battery drain with packed injected wl1251 module | 22:16 |
| stryngs | Can i just straight dpkg -i the .deb? | 22:16 |
| Pali | yes, that is enough | 22:16 |
| Pali | just need to use fixed wlancond binary | 22:17 |
| stryngs | I don't use cssu because of how my file system is laid out | 22:17 |
| stryngs | Copy, so I've a new .deb to add to the mix, fun =) | 22:17 |
| Pali | here is script for loading packet-injection: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/packet-injection.sh | 22:17 |
| stryngs | Copy that | 22:17 |
| stryngs | And the url for the wlancond.deb I should use? | 22:17 |
| Pali | w8 | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wlan chip eats LOTS of power when in scanning mode | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the reason why there's a setting "interval to search for APs" | 22:18 |
| Pali | http://repository.maemo.org/community/pool/fremantle/free/o/osso-wlan/osso-wlan_3.0.20.1%2b0cssu2_armel.deb | 22:18 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: maemo system for scanning doing: ifconfig wlan0 up; scan; ifconfig wlan0 down | 22:19 |
| Pali | even up-ed interface eat battery | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and ideally you should set interval to "never" when you leave home and don't want to waste battery on wlan chip uselessly searching for APs | 22:19 |
| Pali | and when you "switch" drivers there can be problem and system stay in "up" state forever | 22:19 |
| Pali | or in down state forever | 22:20 |
| stryngs | Hehe | 22:20 |
| stryngs | Note for ya'll: Having it search for APs == seg fault for most packet injection / monitor mode programs on the n900 | 22:20 |
| Pali | stryngs: package name is osso-wlan, see link up ^^^ | 22:20 |
| stryngs | As soon as it searches, segfault | 22:20 |
| stryngs | Already grabbed it Pali | 22:20 |
| stryngs | I'll Be playing with it tonight | 22:20 |
| stryngs | I'm excited | 22:20 |
| Pali | if there are any problems with packet injection wl1251 module from kp53, please report ir | 22:21 |
| Pali | *it | 22:21 |
| stryngs | Sure | 22:21 |
| stryngs | But the problem is just the way the scanning works is all | 22:21 |
| Pali | stryngs: here is also dbg and doc package (in case you need them too): http://repository.maemo.org/community/pool/fremantle/free/o/osso-wlan/ | 22:21 |
| stryngs | As soon as it sends probe requests looking for known APs it has connected to before, it kills whatever was using monitor/injection | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw wlan AP scan also causes dropouts on BT A2DP aka "listening to music" | 22:22 |
| Pali | ideally via my packet-injection.sh script set to packet injection modules to load at startup | 22:22 |
| Pali | and reboot device | 22:22 |
| Pali | and after that do tests (because of that up/down conflicts) | 22:23 |
| stryngs | Interesting Pali, I never knew the drivers were stable like that | 22:23 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: is there any way for fixing that problem | 22:23 |
| stryngs | I'd just always assumed it was a bug for having monitor mode capabilities | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | set wlan ap scan time to 5min and you can adjust your clock to the headset dropouts every 300s | 22:23 |
| Pali | a2dp vs scan | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I guess no | 22:23 |
| stryngs | Right, but just so ya'll know: | 22:23 |
| stryngs | "load injection capabilities" | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: prlly introduced by hardwired coexistence | 22:23 |
| stryngs | "iwconfig wlan0 channel 6" | 22:23 |
| stryngs | "tcpdump -i wlan0 -lnX -s0" | 22:23 |
| stryngs | As SOON as it probes, tcpdump dies | 22:24 |
| stryngs | because iface wlan0 goes down | 22:24 |
| stryngs | And this IS due to the probing | 22:24 |
| stryngs | It's not a worry | 22:24 |
| stryngs | Just know that u can't have probing enabled when yer playing monitor mode | 22:24 |
| Pali | stryngs: you need to turn of that autoscan in systemsettings | 22:24 |
| stryngs | Oh, I do. | 22:24 |
| stryngs | I just wasn't sure if ya'll were aware =) | 22:24 |
| stryngs | THat's all =) | 22:24 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: that problem will be there also in neo900? | 22:24 |
| stryngs | Ofc Pali | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good question. Might actually occur in Neo900 too | 22:25 |
| stryngs | It will occur | 22:25 |
| Pali | aaah no :-( | 22:25 |
| stryngs | You cannot send probe requests | 22:25 |
| stryngs | period. | 22:25 |
| stryngs | Just know u turn off autoscan is all | 22:25 |
| stryngs | =) | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the WLAN module in Neo is more advanced than the one in N900, so maybe they fixed that issue | 22:26 |
| stryngs | Hmm | 22:26 |
| stryngs | Interesting to see DocScrutinizer05 | 22:26 |
| stryngs | I do love the fact that people hate on my n900, but yet bitch when all the sudden they are de-auth'd from the wifi.... | 22:26 |
| stryngs | "My smartphone can kick your smartphones ass" | 22:27 |
| stryngs | That's what I tell em =) | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I'm not completely sure if it could get fixed by not having any "anonymous" (hidden SSID) APs configured. Basically I suspect only WLAN TX would cause BT dropouts and TX is not needed when the WLAN doesn't need to ping an anonymous AP and ask "are you FOOBAR?" | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: also the WLAN/BT integration on Neo900 is way tighter than on N900 | 22:29 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: on my laptop I have one bt/wifi chip on one half-mini-pcie card | 22:30 |
| Pali | and I do not see this problem | 22:30 |
| stryngs | So... Pali, on my n900, after looking at it, I do not, nor have I ever installed the osso-wlan_3.0.20.1%2b0cssu2_armel.deb. You're saying the benefit to this package is that it will help battery life? | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, I think it's actually a bug in N900 wlan/bt firmware | 22:30 |
| Pali | stryngs: osso-wlan is needed for battery life of packet injection drivers | 22:30 |
| stryngs | Very cool! | 22:31 |
| stryngs | That was the thing I hated with the current rig I have. As soon as I enable monitor mode, even if I disable it later on, the battery gets eaten | 22:31 |
| stryngs | Have to turn it off and on again to prevent it | 22:31 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: anyway, in n900 there is one chip (from TI) for wifi and one (from broadcom) for BT+FM | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:32 |
| Pali | so maybe bug in TI or broadcom firmware... | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:32 |
| Pali | or maybe problem just because it is not one chip? | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on Neo900 both chips will be in same module, same manuf, maybe even same chip | 22:32 |
| Pali | that sounds better | 22:33 |
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| Pali | all WIFI+BT+FM_RX+FM_TX? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless we can't source the module | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recently has 20 weeks lead time | 22:34 |
| Pali | will be there same fuckup like on n900... when you enable fm rx it also start bluetooth? | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sort of | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they share same interface | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that however doesn't mean BT us *up* | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is* | 22:35 |
| Pali | but can be any of those 4 parts disabled/enabled separately? | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they all can get enabled/disabled separately | 22:35 |
| Pali | or when FM_RX is up also BT must be up? | 22:35 |
| Pali | ok, thats enough | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they just share same interface and thus BT interface needs power to work | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't mean BT TX is enabled | 22:36 |
| stryngs | heh | 22:36 |
| stryngs | 900+ eur | 22:36 |
| stryngs | It'll be an insane price to pay | 22:36 |
| stryngs | But.. I will =) | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (source the module) there are other almost identical modules, but they usually don't (officially) support the FM, either TX or even both | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | would suck if we need a separate chip for FM (like in N900) just because they didn't solder the antenna pins of the chip inside their WLAN module | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some modules are known to work just fine for FM despite it's not even mentioned as feature in the module datasheet | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly a certification thing too | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | afk o/ | 22:42 |
| stryngs | Pali: Thanks for the help today | 22:43 |
| stryngs | Pali: I run monitor mode quite frequently, so if I see a bug with the way things go, I'll be the first to let u know | 22:43 |
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| Pali | ok | 22:46 |
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