IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2015-08-01

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Siceloabout to start fixing the USB ports on my 2 N900. second N900 has previously had a botched fix .. the 5 pads are intact, but the bigger 'support' pads are gone09:55
Sicelo:(09:55
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KotCzarnymaybe make some kind of bga in the bottom of usb part then just attach it firmly in the right place?09:57
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Sicelowhat?09:59
KotCzarnyin similar way that lcd connectors ribbon make contact10:00
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Siceloyay!12:15
Sicelomain N900 fixed. :)12:15
KotCzarnyand secured?12:15
SiceloUSB working good12:15
Sicelowill do the 2nd one later12:16
Sicelodefinitely secured.12:17
KotCzarnyyou can start your own repair shop now!12:17
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Sicelohaha, no. i hated this job. wasn't as difficult as i thought it would be, but still12:18
KotCzarnybut moneys!12:18
KotCzarnyalso, you will get experienced enough to make it easy12:19
Sicelowill consider that. g2g12:20
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Palitada... maemo5 running with 4.2-rc2 kernel!13:45
KotCzarny*slowclap*13:45
KotCzarnybut is it.. stable?13:46
Paliif you need some log or test let me know13:46
KotCzarnyum, phone/camera/audio/wifi/gps workings?13:46
PaliKotCzarny: no, I tried to boot it 10 times13:46
KotCzarny(and usual, kb and touchscreen)13:46
Paliand only now I got it13:46
Paliphone not, camera not, audio not, wifi yes, gps not13:46
Palihttp://elinux.org/N900 --> state of kernel drivers13:47
KotCzarnySorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.13:47
KotCzarny:)13:47
KotCzarny(Cannot contact the database server)13:47
Paliwiki is down13:47
KotCzarnyoverwhelmed by success?13:47
Palicellular: ssc[7090]: modem connection cannot be established, retry (1 of 10)13:52
Pali...13:52
Palicellular: ssc[7090]: modem connection cannot be established, retry (10 of 10)13:52
Palicellular: ssc[7090]: modem connection cannot be established, giving up13:52
Paliso nokia-modem/hsi/ssi is not working :-(13:53
Paliwith 4.2 kernel13:53
KotCzarnycould be something trivial?13:53
DocScrutinizer05I'd power it up first13:53
Paliask freemangordon13:53
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Saifgreat day to all .19:34
L29Ahallah akbar19:34
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rechargedHi.20:33
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DocScrutinizer05hi20:35
rechargedI just had a quick question about the N900, and I was wondering if anyone could help out20:37
DocScrutinizer05~ask20:37
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.20:37
KotCzarnymost likely someone can, anyone usually mean noone20:37
KotCzarny*means20:38
rechargedhow do you use 0xFFFF to flash the N900 (if possible)?20:38
KotCzarny~flashing20:38
infobotit has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh20:38
KotCzarny~0xffff20:38
infobot[0xffff] https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8799620:38
KotCzarny~0xFFFF20:38
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, 0xffff is https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8799620:38
DocScrutinizer05I think you use it mostly similar way like flasher-3.520:39
rechargedhow do you unpack fiasco images? I have the bin files, but I'm not too sure what to do. I've never flashed my N900 before20:40
DocScrutinizer05you don't unpack them20:40
KotCzarnyrecharged: see the wiki page20:40
rechargedo20:40
KotCzarnyread first20:40
KotCzarnyrtfm20:40
rechargedwhich wiki?20:40
KotCzarny~flashing20:40
infobothmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh20:40
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware20:40
KotCzarny~maemo-flashing20:41
infobotwell, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh20:41
DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: what's wrong?20:41
KotCzarnyit catches both phases or just subpattern match?20:41
DocScrutinizer05no20:41
KotCzarny*phrases20:41
DocScrutinizer05~literal flashing20:41
infobot"flashing" is "<reply>see maemo-flashing"20:41
rechargedthere's nothing on 0xFFFF, I've read through this before20:41
KotCzarnyalias then20:42
KotCzarnyrecharged: may i ask why are you trying 0xffff instead of flasher-3.5 ?20:42
DocScrutinizer05recharged: 0xFFFF is a "drop in replacement" for flasher-3.520:42
DocScrutinizer05the options may have slightly different syntax20:43
rechargedflasher-3.5 is non-free, and ia32-libs aren't in debian sid to use20:43
Pali0xFFFF contains --help20:43
Palialso manpage20:43
DocScrutinizer05yep20:44
Paliand examples in doc/20:44
DocScrutinizer05of course :-)20:44
DocScrutinizer05it's built and packaged by a smart guy, after all ;-)20:44
KotCzarnyand 2 faq files20:44
rechargedI've read all of those, but what do I do with the bin files?20:45
Palirecharged: https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF/blob/master/doc/examples20:45
DocScrutinizer05recharged: you flash them20:45
Palirecharged: search for "Flash FIASCO image and reboot:" in examples file20:45
KotCzarnypali, put that examples as a output of 0xFFFF -h or something20:46
DocScrutinizer05Flash FIASCO image and reboot:20:46
DocScrutinizer05$ 0xFFFF -M <file> -f -r20:46
DocScrutinizer05Pali: you should move that to top, it's by far the most common use20:46
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rechargedI'll try it, thank you20:47
KotCzarnyalso, add more info what do you need to flash and when20:47
DocScrutinizer05:nod:20:47
DocScrutinizer05recharged: yw :-)20:47
Palinote that 0xFFFF does not support flashing MMC images (yet)20:47
DocScrutinizer05aka VANILLA20:48
rechargedI tried that and it gave me "Error: Nothing to do"20:50
KotCzarnypaste exact cmd line20:51
recharged0xFFFF -M RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin20:51
recharged0xFFFF v0.6.1  // Open Free Fiasco Firmware Flasher20:51
rechargedError: Nothing to do20:51
DocScrutinizer05no, not exact cmdline, it needs a real filename of fiasco image file instead <file>20:51
KotCzarnydoc: i meant his line that he is using20:52
rechargedI'm sorry about this20:52
DocScrutinizer05Pali: ^^^ o.O20:52
DocScrutinizer05recharged: no need to feel sorry20:52
Palirecharged: -f is missing20:53
DocScrutinizer05LOL20:53
DocScrutinizer05that was easy20:53
Pali0xFFFF -M file.bin -f20:53
rechargedoh wow20:53
Pali0xFFFF was right, "Nothing to do"!20:53
DocScrutinizer05:->20:53
rechargedthank you so much20:54
rechargednow I just restart it, right?20:55
Paliif everything is OK, yes, reboot20:56
rechargedh-how do I know if everything is okay?20:56
Palithere is no error/warning20:56
DocScrutinizer05you need to first power up N900 while holding U key so it stays in NOKIA screen with USB logo20:56
rechargedI did that20:56
rechargedso it should be fine20:56
Palipost output from 0xFFFF if you are unsure20:56
DocScrutinizer05Pali: will 0xFFFF do the "no suitable devie found. Waiting..." thing?20:58
Paliyes20:58
rechargedis it normal for the initial boot to take a lot longer?20:58
Paliyes20:58
DocScrutinizer05absolutely20:58
Palioptification20:58
rechargedalright, good20:58
rechargedbecause my issue was a boot loop20:59
rechargedfrom purging all non-free software20:59
recharged(did not work)20:59
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#the_complete_foolproof_procedure  >>After flashing unplug your device from PC prior to first boot. First boot can take several minutes, and screen may turn dark during that. You may try lock-slider switch, but do not power down device during first boot, until it finally finished...<<21:00
rechargedit seems to be fine so far, so I assume it's good21:00
rechargedthank you so much21:00
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DocScrutinizer05consider hooking it up to charger already21:02
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rechargedi'm about to do that21:03
rechargeds-so who's hyped about neo900?21:03
DocScrutinizer05hm?21:04
DocScrutinizer05I'm a great fan of Neo900 *blink* *blink*21:04
DocScrutinizer05;-)21:05
rechargedone day21:05
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DocScrutinizer05the preorder window for complete devices is closing soonish21:06
DocScrutinizer05it's pretty hard to get the needed N900 to upgrade them, and it gets harder by each other day21:08
rechargedit seems like a great idea, but a lot of things about it worry me21:08
DocScrutinizer05maybe you want to /join #neo900 ?21:08
rechargedI've never thought of that, maybe after work21:09
rechargedI'm not normally in irc channels21:09
DocScrutinizer05you're welcome to join #neo900 channel any time, ask whatever worries you21:10
rechargedmostly it's just the fact that there's seemingly more non-free software needed to get modules to work. at first it was just hardware acceleration and telephone stack, but now it seems like there's more, and they aren't informing us21:12
rechargedbut i'm sure it'll get worked out21:12
rechargedanyway, I had another question about the n900, if this can be answered21:12
GadgetoidI miss the n900 :(21:13
DocScrutinizer05recharged: no, we don't need any other non-free software21:14
rechargeddidn't nfc need it, though? or it was something without a free firmware available.21:15
DocScrutinizer05not even telephone stack is non-free (distinguishing between what's called telephony stack in application land aka linux, and the firmware on modem module you never even will see a bit or byte of)21:16
rechargedreally?21:17
DocScrutinizer05NFC is completely open, see werner's very fine groundbreaking whitepaper on NFC design: http://neo900.org/stuff/papers/nfc-draft.pdf21:17
rechargedmaybe I read wrong, though.21:17
DocScrutinizer05actually we have a NFC subsystem that's more open than any dev-board or lab eval board you could find out there21:18
rechargedthat's really awesome21:18
rechargedI'm guessing you're a part of the dev team?21:18
DocScrutinizer05you even can implement your own new NFC protocols on it21:18
DocScrutinizer05~docscrutinizer21:18
infobotsomebody said docscrutinizer was jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko21:18
DocScrutinizer05~joerg21:19
infobotfrom memory, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org21:19
GadgetoidNobody knows who DocScrutinizer05 is, he comes with the wind, goes with the tide, and leaves a wake of majesty wherever he treads21:19
DocScrutinizer05hrhrhrhr21:19
rechargedmakes much more sense now21:20
DocScrutinizer05I'm commonly known as "the grumpy old fart"21:20
rechargedwhy go as two different names?21:21
Gadgetoid...21:22
DocScrutinizer05hmm?21:22
GadgetoidYour parents named you recharged?21:22
DocScrutinizer05:-D21:22
rechargedit's possible21:22
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DocScrutinizer05anyway please don't miss our best page on the website: http://neo900.org/resources21:23
rechargeddon't worry, I've read through the site a lot. it's just funds are low currently21:24
rechargedalso, may I ask a quick question?21:24
DocScrutinizer05~ask21:25
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.21:25
rechargedis it possible to enhance the n900's gsm signal with a config file? or anyway possible?21:26
DocScrutinizer05absolutely no21:26
rechargedI was afraid of that21:27
DocScrutinizer05what's wrong with N900 gsm signal?21:27
KotCzarnydoes n900 have external antenna port on the board?21:27
DocScrutinizer05yes21:27
KotCzarnythen yes21:27
rechargedI don't get a signal at all in my house21:27
rechargedI have to put it by a window to get one bar21:27
KotCzarnyput a mirror there?21:28
DocScrutinizer05hmm, there are solutions for that, consisting of an external antenna, some box in between, and an internal antenna21:28
DocScrutinizer05yes, it's almost "a mirror"21:28
rechargedwhat's the most feasible option?21:29
KotCzarnyrecharged: put n900 on the window and handsfree bt box on the desk?21:29
KotCzarnyeasiest and requires no hacking21:29
DocScrutinizer05http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/GSM-booster-GSM-repeater-900Mhz-booster-GSM-signal-booster-repeater-GSM970/705657_426284742.html21:30
KotCzarnyright, also check what band is better for you, 2g or 3g21:30
DocScrutinizer05or what KotCzarny suggested ;-)21:30
rechargedhow would I use the handsfree box, and where would I get it?21:31
rechargedand I only get 2g with at&t on my n90021:31
DocScrutinizer05make sure the frequency range of repeater is compatible to your carrier21:32
rechargedbut, I also get poor signal at other places besides my home.21:33
rechargedwhich is why I thought maybe I could just edit a config file for the expense of battery life21:33
KotCzarnyisnt at&t famous for spotty coverage?21:34
rechargedyes21:34
KotCzarnyhere (.pl) i get pretty nice 'all bars' almost everywere21:34
DocScrutinizer05another one (sorry for long link) http://www.lightinthebox.com/de/repetidor-de-sinal-celular-repeater-850mhz-yagi-antena-celular-handy-signal-booster-850-gsm-umts-amplificador_p3772839.html?currency=EUR&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&litb_from=&adword_mt=&adword_ct=84188221514&adword_kw=&adword_pos=1o4&adword_pl=&adword_net=g&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=1810908567_301588754_21687238394_kwd-80810021175&gclid=CLHs6JDDiMcCFWXJtAodIiIAlw21:35
rechargedI think at&t are slowly phasing out theri 2g towers and the n900 only supports t-mobile's 3g network here21:36
DocScrutinizer05recharged: compare to arbitrary other cellpgone on same carrier and band, when the N900 is actually sub-par you might need to clean the antenna contact in device21:37
DocScrutinizer05yes, that too21:37
rechargedI'll do that then, thank you21:37
DocScrutinizer05yw21:37
* DocScrutinizer05 afk21:38
rechargedbut I need to get ready for work, I could be on later. thanks for all  of the help.21:38
rechargedbye21:38
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Sicelowith replacement bme, does one still need to stop bme in order to calibrate?22:57
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DocScrutinizer05no matter how you charge the battery, you want to stop it to discharge it. For premature system shutdown Pali said the replacement BME won't do that, so you don't need to stop it for discharging to empty and completing learning cycle23:35
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Palibme-replacement does not contain any bme daemon anymore23:37
Paliat least not userspace daemon23:37
Paliso you cannot "stop bme", because there is no running23:37
KotCzarnycan i install bme-replacement without rest of cssu?23:38
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PaliKotCzarny: you need kp5323:43
Sicelook Pali. just one thing .. so in simple words, i just let N900 discharge until empty, and calibration should take care of itself?23:43
Palibut should work also without cssu23:44
kerioDocScrutinizer05: however, you likely want something that will fire up the charging again23:44
KotCzarnyi have kp5323:44
keriounless you're willing to wait for like 5 hours23:44
keriowhilst looking at the n90023:44
PaliSicelo: yes23:44
Sicelothanks. :)23:44
Siceloone more thing .. bq27x00_battery module .. better to have it loaded or unloaded for replacment-bme to work properly?23:46
Paliwithout it bme replacment not work23:47
Palibme replacement will load it at boot time23:47
Sicelothanks Pali for this info23:50
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