IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2015-07-27

*** Andril has quit IRC00:03
*** jon_y has quit IRC00:06
*** jon_y has joined #maemo00:06
*** Pali has quit IRC00:17
*** Dynamit has joined #maemo00:20
*** sparetire_ has joined #maemo01:06
*** tmp_512 has quit IRC01:15
*** sixwheeledbeast has joined #maemo01:18
*** futpib has quit IRC01:41
*** temp_512 has joined #maemo02:01
*** endsormeans has joined #maemo02:01
*** florian has quit IRC02:03
*** erlehmann has quit IRC02:17
*** LauRoman has quit IRC02:19
*** vectis3 has joined #maemo02:22
*** temp_512 has left #maemo02:22
*** pentanol has joined #maemo02:23
*** norly has quit IRC02:41
*** endsormeans has quit IRC02:42
*** erlehmann has joined #maemo02:54
*** Oksana has quit IRC03:02
*** Oksana has joined #maemo03:12
*** erlehmann_ has joined #maemo03:43
*** erlehmann has quit IRC03:43
*** erlehmann_ has quit IRC03:45
*** endsormeans has joined #maemo03:46
*** endsormeans has quit IRC04:19
*** infobot has quit IRC04:24
*** Humpelstilzchen has joined #maemo04:24
*** Defiant has quit IRC04:24
*** eMHa_ has joined #maemo04:29
*** eMHa has quit IRC04:32
*** infobot has joined #maemo04:38
*** Hurrian has quit IRC04:57
*** erlehmann has joined #maemo05:11
*** shentey has joined #maemo05:11
*** shentey has quit IRC05:27
*** erlehmann has quit IRC05:29
*** trumee has quit IRC05:41
*** trumee_ has joined #maemo05:41
*** lxp has joined #maemo06:02
*** lxp1 has quit IRC06:04
*** endsormeans has joined #maemo06:09
*** Hurrian has joined #maemo06:22
*** robbiethe1st has joined #maemo06:23
pentanolhi all, can someone suggest me player for midi on n900?06:27
robbiethe1stum... wildmidi06:29
*** R0b0t1 has joined #maemo06:41
R0b0t1How do I install packages not listed in application manager? I'm trying to install 0xFFFF, some dependencies are missing.06:41
*** pentanol has quit IRC06:42
*** darkschneider has quit IRC06:42
*** pentanol has joined #maemo06:42
*** darkschneider has joined #maemo06:42
*** fmunozs has joined #maemo06:52
*** pentanol has quit IRC06:53
*** pentanol has joined #maemo06:53
infobotwell, repos is deb ./;; deb ./06:56
*** pentanol has quit IRC07:00
*** pentanol has joined #maemo07:01
R0b0t1now if only there were one with signed debs07:08
DocScrutinizer05signed by whom?07:09
*** fuz_ has quit IRC07:11
robbiethe1stBy DocScrutinizer05 of course.07:11
robbiethe1stWho else would we trust?07:11
R0b0t1by anything07:11
R0b0t1if all packages are signed at least the chances of someone mitming them is greatly reduced, which is probably the only viable threat there is07:12
DocScrutinizer05well, I'd think they are *all* signed by Nokia07:12
R0b0t1afaik all of the repos but the ones are dead07:12
*** endsormeans has quit IRC07:12
DocScrutinizer05could you please repeat what's your problem?07:15
*** endsormeans has joined #maemo07:15
DocScrutinizer05I ponted you to repos, they have e.g. which in turn has md5sum for each package. the file Packages.gz itself *is* signed by Nokia with a key that expired years ago07:18
DocScrutinizer05so neither "all of the repos are dead" nor "if only there were one with signed debs" really makes any sense to me07:20
DocScrutinizer05maybe I'm too tired and completely mistaken, but it seems to me there hardly could be any better signature than that07:24
*** endsormeans has quit IRC07:34
DocScrutinizer05btw I think iEYEABECAAYFAk is rather funny, reading it like i EYE ABECA AY FAk07:35
*** fuz_ has joined #maemo07:35
R0b0t1DocScrutinizer05: oic08:15
*** fmunozs has quit IRC08:19
*** robbiethe1st has quit IRC08:23
*** eMHa_ has quit IRC08:26
*** pentanol has quit IRC08:29
*** pentanol has joined #maemo08:29
*** FlameReaper has joined #maemo09:14
*** DrCode has quit IRC09:31
*** tanty_off is now known as tanty09:34
*** eMHa_ has joined #maemo09:39
*** FReaper has joined #maemo09:45
*** FlameReaper has quit IRC09:46
*** LauRoman has joined #maemo09:47
*** protem has quit IRC10:09
*** futpib has joined #maemo10:09
*** futpib has quit IRC10:14
KotCzarnypentanol: oscp can play midis10:23
*** eMHa_ has quit IRC10:28
*** BCMM has joined #maemo10:32
pentanolKotCzarny maybe I will try this10:41
*** pentanol has quit IRC10:41
*** geaaru has joined #maemo10:43
*** ad-n770 has joined #maemo11:00
*** bef0rd has joined #maemo11:00
*** beford has quit IRC11:01
bencohactually the only real solution to this (non-)"issue" would be to have the packages resigned by one of the maemo keys, but ... :)11:01
KotCzarnythe real problem is there is no security on n90011:02
R0b0t1I noticed11:03
R0b0t1much like everything, really11:03
KotCzarnybut ecosystem for n900 is so small no hackers really bothered with it11:03
KotCzarnyi mean crackers11:03
*** beford has joined #maemo11:04
bencohyou mean "bad guys" :)11:04
KotCzarnyyeah, crackers11:04
bencohbut yeah, there is no "security" indeed11:04
*** bef0rd has quit IRC11:05
R0b0t1KotCzarny, I am not so sure. There were instances of all mirrors except the non-SSL ones being down, or something.11:06
*** freemangordon has quit IRC11:06
R0b0t1The Haskell package system is currently not secured very well.11:07
R0b0t1One could make the argument nobody would care,11:07
R0b0t1except for the fact haskell finds use on supercomputers that someone may want access to.11:07
*** florian has joined #maemo11:15
*** FReaper has quit IRC11:16
bencoh"except the non-SSL ones being down" ?11:17
*** N-Mi has joined #maemo11:21
*** vectis3 has quit IRC11:21
kerioi'm a big proponent of https everywhere11:22
keriobut it's not really needed for debian repos11:22
KotCzarnyfor https you need valid cert11:23
keriowhich is free11:24
kerioand thus not a real issue11:24
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo11:25
bencohis startssl included in the cert bundle ?11:26
bencoh(on maemo)11:26
kerioi think it is11:27
kerioit is11:28
*** Fiorenza has joined #maemo11:28 verified by StartCom ltd.11:29
*** Fiorenza has quit IRC11:31
*** beford has quit IRC11:31
*** N-Mi has quit IRC11:32
*** beford has joined #maemo11:32
*** N-Mi has joined #maemo11:47
*** FlameReaper-PC has joined #maemo11:49
*** erlehmann has joined #maemo11:49
*** hubutm20 has quit IRC11:54
*** hubutm20 has joined #maemo11:55
*** Gh0sty has quit IRC12:04
*** frals has quit IRC12:04
*** Gh0sty has joined #maemo12:05
*** RedW has quit IRC12:08
*** frals has joined #maemo12:11
*** frals has quit IRC12:11
*** frals has joined #maemo12:11
*** LauRoman has quit IRC12:16
*** BCMM has quit IRC12:31
*** troulouliou_div2 has joined #maemo12:45
*** RedW has joined #maemo12:47
*** shamus has quit IRC12:49
*** shamus has joined #maemo12:50
*** Hurrian has quit IRC13:02
*** Hurrian has joined #maemo13:10
*** bef0rd has joined #maemo13:18
*** bef0rd has joined #maemo13:18
*** merlin_1991 has joined #maemo13:20
*** merlin1991 has quit IRC13:21
*** Apic_ has joined #maemo13:21
*** merlin_1991 is now known as merlin199113:21
*** oniongarlic has joined #maemo13:21
*** merlin1991 has quit IRC13:21
*** merlin1991 has joined #maemo13:21
*** CATP has quit IRC13:21
*** oniongar1ic has quit IRC13:21
*** cpt_nemo has quit IRC13:21
*** guerby has quit IRC13:21
*** beford has quit IRC13:21
*** RedW has quit IRC13:24
*** guerby has joined #maemo13:33
*** RedW has joined #maemo13:37
*** tanty is now known as tanty_off13:43
*** RedW has quit IRC14:04
*** cpt_nemo has joined #maemo14:21
*** darkschneider has quit IRC14:42
*** darkschneider has joined #maemo14:42
*** ceene has quit IRC14:49
*** ceene has joined #maemo14:56
*** RedW has joined #maemo15:21
*** tanty_off is now known as tanty15:21
*** eMHa_ has joined #maemo15:26
*** Hurrian has quit IRC15:51
*** Hurrian has joined #maemo15:56
*** bef0rd has quit IRC15:59
*** eMHa__ has joined #maemo16:06
*** eMHa__ has quit IRC16:09
*** eMHa_ has quit IRC16:10
*** eMHa has joined #maemo16:10
*** Wizzup has quit IRC16:29
*** Wizzup has joined #maemo16:33
*** L29Ah has left #maemo16:33
*** L29Ah has joined #maemo16:35
*** L29Ah has left #maemo16:35
*** L29Ah has joined #maemo16:50
*** Wizzup has quit IRC17:10
*** Wizzup has joined #maemo17:17
*** sparetire_ has quit IRC17:40
DocScrutinizer05((there is no "security" indeed)) it's called QA testers, maemo-testing, promotion17:47
DocScrutinizer05there's a reason why you're not supposed to have extras-devel enabled unless you're capable and willing to evaluate security by your own17:48
SiceloDocScrutinizer05: regarding soldering on the N900 USB (& N9) ..with flux, solder braid, and thin soldering tip ... one should manage if they are careful?17:49
KotCzarnyactually, if you create 10 fake accounts you can put malicious app in extras, right?17:49
DocScrutinizer05admittedly that QA testers concept never *really* worked that great17:49
Siceloyeah KotCzarny :p17:49
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: soldering the electric contacts is virtually impossible even with very thin tip, unless you remove some of the dang "roof" that covers the contacts/pins17:50
Siceloyes, i intended to remove that17:50
DocScrutinizer05solder paste and hot air should work17:51
Siceloi can't get hold of someone with hot air station, and it's a bit over my budget to buy one (just for this one job).17:52
DocScrutinizer05it comes in handy that there are no other heat sensitive (unshielded) components nearby (except camery)17:52
KotCzarnycamera is detachable17:53
Sicelothe cellphone shops around here just use soldering irons, and i trust myself better than them .. have seen some of their work :(17:53
DocScrutinizer05or you simply wrap and shield it with a piece of alu foil17:53
Siceloalu foil. ;) will use that17:53
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: one trick is: use thin wires, maybe 1 inch long or shorter17:54
DocScrutinizer05removing camera module is feasible but actually risky17:54
Sicelowires? where?17:54
DocScrutinizer05between USB receptacle and PCB17:55
DocScrutinizer055mm ideally17:55
Siceloi won't remove camera .. tried it, and looks very difficult without the proper tool17:55
Sicelohmm, that's an idea :)17:55
*** L29Ah has left #maemo17:55
DocScrutinizer05yep, short 0.1mm dia varnish-isolated wires17:56
Sicelobut, when i place the connector back on the board, i wonder if the heat won't melt the insulation (and i won't know)17:56
Siceloi'll try this whole job on a dead Xpressmusic Nokia, before I work on my 2 N900 and a friend's N917:57
DocScrutinizer05use regular varnish-isolated wire, not heat-sensitive one used for wirewrap (so called soldering wire)17:57
Siceloweekend job though17:57
Sicelook, will look for that wire tomorrow at the electronics shop (which are rather scarce and poorly stocked here)17:58
DocScrutinizer05do NOT use wire with plastic (PVC) isolation17:58
*** L29Ah has joined #maemo17:58
DocScrutinizer05rather revamp an old transformer or sth like that17:58
bencohI dont get it, what's the purpose of the wires here?17:58
DocScrutinizer05to extend soldering points a 5mm away from USB receptacle17:59
DocScrutinizer05the USB receptacle's pins are basically "under" the component17:59
DocScrutinizer05so you can solder them when receptacle is not in place on PCB18:00
DocScrutinizer05then you can move USB a 5mm out of place and solder the wires to the PCB pads18:00
DocScrutinizer05then you move the USB into place, bending the 4mm wires, and fix it by soldering down the mech fixing posts18:01
bencohI see18:01
bencohcant you do it with solder paste and an iron?18:01
DocScrutinizer05no, you can't heat the pins with soldering iron18:02
DocScrutinizer05unless you cut away parts of the "roof" that covers the pins18:02
bencohsounds like a pain18:02
DocScrutinizer05it is18:02
Siceloit is18:02
DocScrutinizer05though, actually cutting the roof is not as bad as it may sound18:03
DocScrutinizer05depending on your particular build of USB component18:04
Siceloi definitely will cut it .. it doesn't really serve a major purpose as  far as i could tell18:04
DocScrutinizer05yep, it's basically useless18:04
DocScrutinizer05nfc why it's there18:04
Siceloit holds down the plastic piece haha, but who in their right mind will be pushing too hard into the receptacle anyway18:05
DocScrutinizer05except of course when it holds the inner plastic of receptacle18:05
Sicelothe type i bought has two additional holding things ... so i'm reasonably safe18:06
DocScrutinizer05in that case a drip of cyanoacrylate will do wonders18:06
DocScrutinizer05make sure the glue doesn't cover the contacts inside jack18:06
DocScrutinizer05then solder down the complete sides of the USB to PCB, to reinforce18:07
DocScrutinizer05you want a 60W soldering iron (class) for that, and a not-too-pinpointed tip18:08
DocScrutinizer05for soldering the pins you want a 15W class and quite thin tip18:09
Siceloi'.. be able to get those easily :) thanks for the advice18:10
*** freemangordon has joined #maemo18:11
*** mavhc has quit IRC18:15
*** mavhk is now known as mavhc18:15
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:17
*** mavhk has quit IRC18:18
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:21
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:23
*** erlehmann has left #maemo18:25
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:26
*** yosafbridge` has quit IRC18:29
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:29
*** Apic_ is now known as CATP18:29
*** mavhk has quit IRC18:30
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:32
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:35
*** Pali has joined #maemo18:35
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:38
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:40
*** johnsu01 has quit IRC18:41
*** yosafbridge has joined #maemo18:41
*** mavhk has quit IRC18:41
*** darkschneider has quit IRC18:42
*** darkschneider has joined #maemo18:42
*** johnsu01 has joined #maemo18:43
*** eMHa has quit IRC18:43
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:43
*** erlehmann has joined #maemo18:44
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:46
*** mavhk has quit IRC18:46
*** mhlavink is now known as mhlavink_away18:49
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:49
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:51
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:54
*** mavhk has joined #maemo18:57
*** heroux has quit IRC18:58
*** Natch has quit IRC19:00
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:00
*** heroux has joined #maemo19:00
*** tanty is now known as tanty_off19:00
*** mavhk has quit IRC19:01
*** heroux has quit IRC19:05
*** heroux has joined #maemo19:06
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:06
*** mavhk has quit IRC19:06
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:09
*** eMHa has joined #maemo19:09
*** mavhk has quit IRC19:09
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:11
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:14
*** mavhk has quit IRC19:14
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:17
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:20
*** mavhk has quit IRC19:21
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:24
*** mavhk has quit IRC19:29
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:32
sixwheeledbeast~me had to do ~flatbattrecover today at about lunchtime, I think it maybe time for ~polarcell19:33
* sixwheeledbeast facepalm19:33
*** mavhk has quit IRC19:34
infobotmeh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase19:36
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:36
*** mavhk has quit IRC19:38
bencohinfobot: :D19:38
infobotd is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure.19:38
bencoh>_< :D19:38
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:40
*** geaaru has quit IRC19:42
Palican somebody apply ##fix_your_connection to mavhk?19:43
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:43
*** jon_y_ has joined #maemo19:43
*** mavhk has quit IRC19:46
*** jon_y has quit IRC19:46
PaliDocScrutinizer05 see ^^^19:47
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:48
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:51
*** rm_work is now known as rm_work|away19:51
DocScrutinizer05Pali: dorry?19:51
DocScrutinizer05ooh, join/part trouble? (I got "hide join/part/nick")19:52
Palisee above connection spam from mavhk^^^19:52
DocScrutinizer05please c&p one relecvant line19:52
Palisee log:
DocScrutinizer05sorry, this has no IPs19:53
Pali[18:51:03] --> mavhk ( has joined #maemo19:53
Pali[18:51:03] <-- mavhk ( has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)19:53
*** mavhk has joined #maemo19:53
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o DocScrutinizer0519:53
*** DocScrutinizer05 sets mode: +b *!*@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net19:54
Paliyou forgot to add ##fix_your_connection19:55
DocScrutinizer05I actually dunno how to do that19:56
Palimaybe /mode +b $x:mavhk*$##fix_your_connection19:57
DocScrutinizer05know what?19:57
*** DocScrutinizer05 sets mode: +o Pali19:58
Paliso I will try what happen :-)19:59
*** Pali sets mode: +b $x:mavhk*$##fix_your_connection19:59
bencohyou should remove the first one I think20:00
bencohwhat's the $x: ?20:00
*** DocScrutinizer05 sets mode: -b *!*@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net20:00
*** hubutm20 has quit IRC20:00
*** protem has joined #maemo20:10
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: I also need to lookup on each time20:10
DocScrutinizer05>>This type takes a string parameter that is matched against a client's full nick!username@host#gecos. If a match is found, the user is banned.<<20:11
Palibencoh: like grep -x20:11
*** Natch has joined #maemo20:15
DocScrutinizer05anyway $x:mavhk*$##fix_your_connection doesn't look right20:16
*** ad-n770 has quit IRC20:17
DocScrutinizer05I dunno about the second $ in there, the rest looks like matching to a gecos field containing #fix_your_connection20:23
*** trx has quit IRC20:23
DocScrutinizer05aaaah! Channel forwards in bans20:25
DocScrutinizer05forwards don't need $x: though, afaik20:26
*** ChanServ sets mode: -o DocScrutinizer0520:28
*** erlehmann has quit IRC20:33
*** RzR has quit IRC20:35
*** xorly has joined #maemo20:36
freemangordondoes gTranslate still work for someone? As it stopped here, out of the sudden, google sends an answer wanting me to solve a CAPTCHA :D20:49 works here (haven't tried on maemo though)20:50
freemangordonbencoh: there is maemo client, called gTranslate20:51
bencohlibespeak Oo20:54
freemangordonyeah, there is "Say" button :)20:55
bencoh"Please enter valid text!"20:57
bencohthat doesnt look too cool20:57
freemangordonstart it from the terminal20:58
bencohyeah, dpkg -L ftw ;)20:59
bencohokay, CAPTCHA20:59
bencohthat's sad21:00
freemangordonI solved it by using microb, no change, seems it needs cookies :(21:00
bencohchanging the user-agent maybe (haven't check)21:03
*** troulouliou_div2 has quit IRC21:03
freemangordonyeah, trying it21:03
freemangordonshit, qemu was recently updated, PC needs a reboot :(. bbl21:06
*** freemangordon has quit IRC21:06
*** N-Mi has quit IRC21:06
bencohwhat ?21:06
*** freemangordon has joined #maemo21:09
*** KotCzarny has quit IRC21:12
*** vectis3 has joined #maemo21:16
*** KotCzarny has joined #maemo21:18
*** norly has joined #maemo21:29
*** Kabouik has joined #maemo21:33
*** futpib has joined #maemo21:34
*** rm_work|away is now known as rm_work21:37
*** L29Ah has left #maemo21:40
*** L29Ah has joined #maemo21:50
*** N-Mi has joined #maemo21:53
DocScrutinizer05((<freemangordon> /opt/gTranslate/bin/gTranslate)) when will devels ever learn to symlink to their binary from somewhere inside $PATH, like /usr/bin or somesuch?22:30
DocScrutinizer05dang windows 'devels'22:31
L29Ahwhen to symlink and when to change $PATH?22:37
L29Ahdang unix kludgeware22:37
KotCzarnyalways symlink22:37
KotCzarnyunless you compile for normal os22:37
KotCzarnywhen just place binaries in /usr/bin22:37
*** LauRoman has joined #maemo22:50
DocScrutinizer05L29Ah: you don't change $PATH to add a single silly app22:58
KotCzarnyits his system, he can do what he wants!22:59
L29Ahi have special entries for perl and gcc in $PATH23:02
L29Ahsingle silly apps23:02
L29Ahdon't have an access to a non-gentoo machine to see how it goes in other desktop distros23:02
KotCzarnythey are in /usr/bin23:03
KotCzarnyon normal distros23:03
L29Ahoh all those dirs are gone in fact23:03
L29Ahseems like i have crappy leftovers to clean23:03
L29Ahyeah, lots of orphan stuff in /etc/env.d23:07
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC23:14
*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo23:16
*** vectis3 has quit IRC23:32
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC23:58
*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo23:59

Generated by 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!