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| pentanol | hi all, can someone suggest me player for midi on n900? | 06:27 |
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| robbiethe1st | um... wildmidi | 06:29 |
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| R0b0t1 | How do I install packages not listed in application manager? I'm trying to install 0xFFFF, some dependencies are missing. | 06:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos | 06:56 |
| infobot | well, repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 06:56 |
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| R0b0t1 | now if only there were one with signed debs | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | signed by whom? | 07:09 |
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| robbiethe1st | By DocScrutinizer05 of course. | 07:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Who else would we trust? | 07:11 |
| R0b0t1 | by anything | 07:11 |
| R0b0t1 | if all packages are signed at least the chances of someone mitming them is greatly reduced, which is probably the only viable threat there is | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'd think they are *all* signed by Nokia | 07:12 |
| R0b0t1 | afaik all of the repos but the maemo.org ones are dead | 07:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could you please repeat what's your problem? | 07:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I ponted you to repos, they have e.g. http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/Packages.gz which in turn has md5sum for each package. the file Packages.gz itself *is* signed by Nokia with a key that expired years ago | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so neither "all of the repos are dead" nor "if only there were one with signed debs" really makes any sense to me | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/Release http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/Release.gpg | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I'm too tired and completely mistaken, but it seems to me there hardly could be any better signature than that | 07:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I think iEYEABECAAYFAk is rather funny, reading it like i EYE ABECA AY FAk | 07:35 |
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| R0b0t1 | DocScrutinizer05: oic | 08:15 |
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| KotCzarny | pentanol: oscp can play midis | 10:23 |
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| pentanol | KotCzarny maybe I will try this | 10:41 |
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| bencoh | actually the only real solution to this (non-)"issue" would be to have the packages resigned by one of the maemo keys, but ... :) | 11:01 |
| KotCzarny | the real problem is there is no security on n900 | 11:02 |
| R0b0t1 | I noticed | 11:03 |
| R0b0t1 | much like everything, really | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | but ecosystem for n900 is so small no hackers really bothered with it | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | i mean crackers | 11:03 |
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| bencoh | you mean "bad guys" :) | 11:04 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, crackers | 11:04 |
| bencoh | but yeah, there is no "security" indeed | 11:04 |
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| R0b0t1 | KotCzarny, I am not so sure. There were instances of all mirrors except the non-SSL ones being down, or something. | 11:06 |
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| R0b0t1 | The Haskell package system is currently not secured very well. | 11:07 |
| R0b0t1 | One could make the argument nobody would care, | 11:07 |
| R0b0t1 | except for the fact haskell finds use on supercomputers that someone may want access to. | 11:07 |
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| bencoh | "except the non-SSL ones being down" ? | 11:17 |
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| kerio | i'm a big proponent of https everywhere | 11:22 |
| kerio | but it's not really needed for debian repos | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | for https you need valid cert | 11:23 |
| kerio | which is free | 11:24 |
| kerio | and thus not a real issue | 11:24 |
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| bencoh | is startssl included in the cert bundle ? | 11:26 |
| bencoh | (on maemo) | 11:26 |
| kerio | i think it is | 11:27 |
| kerio | it is | 11:28 |
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| kerio | junethack.net verified by StartCom ltd. | 11:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((there is no "security" indeed)) it's called QA testers, maemo-testing, promotion | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a reason why you're not supposed to have extras-devel enabled unless you're capable and willing to evaluate security by your own | 17:48 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: regarding soldering on the N900 USB (& N9) ..with flux, solder braid, and thin soldering tip ... one should manage if they are careful? | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | actually, if you create 10 fake accounts you can put malicious app in extras, right? | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | admittedly that QA testers concept never *really* worked that great | 17:49 |
| Sicelo | yeah KotCzarny :p | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: soldering the electric contacts is virtually impossible even with very thin tip, unless you remove some of the dang "roof" that covers the contacts/pins | 17:50 |
| Sicelo | yes, i intended to remove that | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solder paste and hot air should work | 17:51 |
| Sicelo | i can't get hold of someone with hot air station, and it's a bit over my budget to buy one (just for this one job). | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it comes in handy that there are no other heat sensitive (unshielded) components nearby (except camery) | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | camera* | 17:52 |
| KotCzarny | camera is detachable | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 17:53 |
| Sicelo | the cellphone shops around here just use soldering irons, and i trust myself better than them .. have seen some of their work :( | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply wrap and shield it with a piece of alu foil | 17:53 |
| Sicelo | alu foil. ;) will use that | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: one trick is: use thin wires, maybe 1 inch long or shorter | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | removing camera module is feasible but actually risky | 17:54 |
| Sicelo | wires? where? | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | between USB receptacle and PCB | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5mm ideally | 17:55 |
| Sicelo | i won't remove camera .. tried it, and looks very difficult without the proper tool | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 17:55 |
| Sicelo | hmm, that's an idea :) | 17:55 |
| bencoh | wires? | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, short 0.1mm dia varnish-isolated wires | 17:56 |
| Sicelo | but, when i place the connector back on the board, i wonder if the heat won't melt the insulation (and i won't know) | 17:56 |
| Sicelo | i'll try this whole job on a dead Xpressmusic Nokia, before I work on my 2 N900 and a friend's N9 | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use regular varnish-isolated wire, not heat-sensitive one used for wirewrap (so called soldering wire) | 17:57 |
| Sicelo | weekend job though | 17:57 |
| Sicelo | ok, will look for that wire tomorrow at the electronics shop (which are rather scarce and poorly stocked here) | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT use wire with plastic (PVC) isolation | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rather revamp an old transformer or sth like that | 17:58 |
| bencoh | I dont get it, what's the purpose of the wires here? | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to extend soldering points a 5mm away from USB receptacle | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the USB receptacle's pins are basically "under" the component | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you can solder them when receptacle is not in place on PCB | 18:00 |
| bencoh | SMD? | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you can move USB a 5mm out of place and solder the wires to the PCB pads | 18:00 |
| bencoh | SMT* | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you move the USB into place, bending the 4mm wires, and fix it by soldering down the mech fixing posts | 18:01 |
| bencoh | I see | 18:01 |
| bencoh | cant you do it with solder paste and an iron? | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you can't heat the pins with soldering iron | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you cut away parts of the "roof" that covers the pins | 18:02 |
| bencoh | sounds like a pain | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is | 18:02 |
| Sicelo | it is | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, actually cutting the roof is not as bad as it may sound | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depending on your particular build of USB component | 18:04 |
| Sicelo | i definitely will cut it .. it doesn't really serve a major purpose as far as i could tell | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, it's basically useless | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc why it's there | 18:04 |
| Sicelo | it holds down the plastic piece haha, but who in their right mind will be pushing too hard into the receptacle anyway | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except of course when it holds the inner plastic of receptacle | 18:05 |
| Sicelo | the type i bought has two additional holding things ... so i'm reasonably safe | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in that case a drip of cyanoacrylate will do wonders | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure the glue doesn't cover the contacts inside jack | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then solder down the complete sides of the USB to PCB, to reinforce | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want a 60W soldering iron (class) for that, and a not-too-pinpointed tip | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for soldering the pins you want a 15W class and quite thin tip | 18:09 |
| Sicelo | i'.. be able to get those easily :) thanks for the advice | 18:10 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~me had to do ~flatbattrecover today at about lunchtime, I think it maybe time for ~polarcell | 19:33 |
| infobot | moi? | 19:33 |
| * sixwheeledbeast facepalm | 19:33 | |
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| L29Ah | ~me | 19:36 |
| L29Ah | ~meh | 19:36 |
| infobot | meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase | 19:36 |
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| bencoh | infobot: :D | 19:38 |
| infobot | d is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure. | 19:38 |
| bencoh | >_< :D | 19:38 |
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| Pali | can somebody apply ##fix_your_connection to mavhk? | 19:43 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05 see ^^^ | 19:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: dorry? | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, join/part trouble? (I got "hide join/part/nick") | 19:52 |
| Pali | see above connection spam from mavhk^^^ | 19:52 |
| Pali | yes | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please c&p one relecvant line | 19:52 |
| Pali | see log: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, this has no IPs | 19:53 |
| Pali | [18:51:03] --> mavhk (mavhc@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net) has joined #maemo | 19:53 |
| Pali | [18:51:03] <-- mavhk (mavhc@cpc77319-basf12-2-0-cust433.12-3.cable.virginm.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ta | 19:53 |
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| Pali | again | 19:53 |
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| Pali | you forgot to add ##fix_your_connection | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually dunno how to do that | 19:56 |
| Pali | maybe /mode +b $x:mavhk*$##fix_your_connection | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | know what? | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 19:58 |
| Pali | so I will try what happen :-) | 19:59 |
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| bencoh | you should remove the first one I think | 20:00 |
| bencoh | what's the $x: ? | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: I also need to lookup on http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml each time | 20:10 |
| bencoh | :) | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>This type takes a string parameter that is matched against a client's full nick!username@host#gecos. If a match is found, the user is banned.<< | 20:11 |
| Pali | bencoh: like grep -x | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway $x:mavhk*$##fix_your_connection doesn't look right | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno about the second $ in there, the rest looks like matching to a gecos field containing #fix_your_connection | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah! Channel forwards in bans | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | forwards don't need $x: though, afaik | 20:26 |
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| freemangordon | does gTranslate still work for someone? As it stopped here, out of the sudden, google sends an answer wanting me to solve a CAPTCHA :D | 20:49 |
| bencoh | translate.google.com? works here (haven't tried on maemo though) | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: there is maemo client, called gTranslate | 20:51 |
| bencoh | oh | 20:52 |
| bencoh | libespeak Oo | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | yeah, there is "Say" button :) | 20:55 |
| bencoh | "Please enter valid text!" | 20:57 |
| bencoh | that doesnt look too cool | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | start it from the terminal | 20:58 |
| freemangordon | /opt/ | 20:58 |
| freemangordon | /opt/gTranslate/bin/gTranslate | 20:59 |
| bencoh | yeah, dpkg -L ftw ;) | 20:59 |
| bencoh | okay, CAPTCHA | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | toldya | 21:00 |
| bencoh | that's sad | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | I solved it by using microb, no change, seems it needs cookies :( | 21:00 |
| bencoh | changing the user-agent maybe (haven't check) | 21:03 |
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| bencoh | checked* | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | yeah, trying it | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | shit, qemu was recently updated, PC needs a reboot :(. bbl | 21:06 |
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| bencoh | what ? | 21:06 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<freemangordon> /opt/gTranslate/bin/gTranslate)) when will devels ever learn to symlink to their binary from somewhere inside $PATH, like /usr/bin or somesuch? | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang windows 'devels' | 22:31 |
| L29Ah | when to symlink and when to change $PATH? | 22:37 |
| L29Ah | dang unix kludgeware | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | always symlink | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | unless you compile for normal os | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | when just place binaries in /usr/bin | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | *then | 22:38 |
| bencoh | :) | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: you don't change $PATH to add a single silly app | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | its his system, he can do what he wants! | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:59 |
| L29Ah | i have special entries for perl and gcc in $PATH | 23:02 |
| L29Ah | single silly apps | 23:02 |
| L29Ah | don't have an access to a non-gentoo machine to see how it goes in other desktop distros | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | they are in /usr/bin | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | on normal distros | 23:03 |
| L29Ah | oh all those dirs are gone in fact | 23:03 |
| L29Ah | seems like i have crappy leftovers to clean | 23:03 |
| L29Ah | yeah, lots of orphan stuff in /etc/env.d | 23:07 |
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