IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2015-07-28

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KabouikGuys, I'm trying to resurrect old good N900 which is in a reboot loop, using this guide
KabouikUnfortunately is down, to download the flasher. Can someone provide me with a working link?00:17
KabouikAnd same for the firmware itself00:17
infoboti guess flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
infoboti heard 0xffff is, or
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KabouikWhat's recommended between the default flasher and 0xffff?00:24
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PaliKabouik: 0xffff does not support flashing emmc image (yet)00:30
KabouikAlrirght, thanks00:30
KabouikBy the way, just found these links too:
Paliand you should use last version of 0xffff (0.6.1)00:31
Paliolder versions of 0xffff have problems with flashing00:31
KabouikI will use the Nokia flasher I think00:31
KabouikI don't remember anything about flashing the N900. What firmware should I download if I want to start from scratch? Is it the VANILLA or EMMC version?00:32
Paliif you have working rootfs do: 1. emmc 2. vanilla00:32
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KabouikI don't know what I hawe working :D The N900 does not start, reboot loop00:33
Paliif you do not have working rootfs do: 1. vanilla 2. emmc 3. vanilla00:33
KabouikAnd it's like that since years, so I forgot what was the issue00:33
KabouikOk, so I need to download both anyway. Thanks!00:33
Palithere is COMBINED image and EMMC=VANILLA00:33
Paliso again:00:34
Palinot working rootfs: 1. COMBINED, 2. EMMC, 3. COMBINED00:34
Paliworking rootfs: 1. EMMC, 2. COMBINED00:34
KabouikI don't think in my situation there is any disadvantage into doing 1, 2 and 3. So even if my rootfs is perhaps working, it seems optimal to me00:35
Paliyes, this should cleanup format and program everything00:36
KabouikGood, thanks00:36
KabouikI can go to PR 1.3 directly, or shall I use 1.2 first?00:36
KabouikThanks Pali00:37
Palior PR1.3.1 better00:37
infobotwell, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or
PaliKabouik: PR1.3.1 is the last version00:38
Palifrom year 201100:38
KabouikAh, I missed infobot's message!00:39
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KabouikIt seems I can't flash because "Suitable USB device not found, waiting.", and my N900 keeps rebooting00:59
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KabouikNothing works :(01:05
Siceloyou're using the failsafe/foolproof method outlined there? do you have enough battery power?01:17
Sicelotry another cable or rear ports on pc01:18
Kabouik Fixed it using that!01:18
KabouikFlasher currently working01:19
Siceloglad you got it solved :)01:19
* Sicelo hasn't flashed in over 4 years .. so no longer good at it01:19
KabouikApproximately the same for me!01:20
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KabouikIt seems I can't install nano02:11
KabouikI have enabled extras-devel and extras-testing02:12
KabouikBut nano requires libncursew5, which is not installable02:12
L29Ahvi ftw02:14
infobotmethinks repos is deb ./;; deb ./02:14
KabouikThis is the replacing repo for Maemo (base)?02:19
infobotmethinks maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh02:19
KabouikIt's flashed already DocScrutinizer0502:20
DocScrutinizer05fine :-)02:20
DocScrutinizer05a hint: "the ideal setup" (or whatever the name) is a rather biased and non-official thing driven by users (mostly) during their first encounter with maemo02:21
KabouikI'm not sure how to add these repos from infobot into the App manager, I don't know what they correspond to and I'm a bit dumb when it comes to this sort of things... I'd need name/url/distrib/user :p02:22
DocScrutinizer05to me "the ideal setup" starts on a bare PR1.3.2+VANILLA replash, with CSSU-stable on top02:22
DocScrutinizer05sorry, 1.3.102:22
KabouikYes that's what I thought, but I need a working N900 by Wednesday, possibly with a rather good selection of packages, and doing it myself would be very long because I remember it took me ages to get a full customized N900 back in the old days. I just hope the wiki here is up to date02:23
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KabouikAnd I'll further customize over time02:23
DocScrutinizer05well, customization is highly individual02:23
DocScrutinizer05maybe helps:02:23
infobotjrtools is, like,
DocScrutinizer05I didn't update this stuff since ages, and I didn't add many "ordinary apps" there either02:25
KabouikCrap, I forgot to resize /home. I thought about it, but it was not in the wiki so I figured "Well, maybe everything is optified with CSSU-thumb and it's not necessary anymore'02:25
DocScrutinizer05actually nowadays everything *aought* to be optified02:25
DocScrutinizer05I got quite a lot of "crap" installed on "rootfs" (aka /home opt-symlink) and I'm still not short on space on /opt, despite not resizing02:27
KabouikShall I skip my current "optimal" Wiki and switch to your jrtools?02:27
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DocScrutinizer05I had my share of "optimal setup" reading. Never found it particularly useful02:28
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DocScrutinizer05it's assuming a lot, and also quite a number of factually incorrect stuff in it, last I looked02:28
KabouikOk, I'll use your wiki instead then02:29
KabouikBut first02:29
KabouikWasn't there a wiki somewhere with all the repos that could be added just by clicking on links?02:29
KabouikAll repos seem to have changed, and cssu-thumb uses different repos I guess, so I'm a bit lost02:29
KabouikAnd adding them from links would be easier and lest prone to errors than typing them with the hwkb02:30
* DocScrutinizer05 glares furiously at the bold title "The OPTIMAL setup"02:30
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infoboti guess repos is deb ./;; deb ./02:31
infobotwell, maemo-repos is
KabouikI don't understand anything at this:02:31
Kabouik<infobot> i guess repos is deb ./;; deb ./02:31
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: are you anywhere near Wacken?02:31
KabouikWhy are there two urls?02:31
DocScrutinizer05I'd be willing to update my on-click-URL on jrtools when somebody *with expoerience* provides the officially recommended new repo list02:32
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: Wacken? nope02:32
DocScrutinizer05Kabouik: one is base, the other updates02:33
DocScrutinizer05they replace the dead Nokia repos02:33
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I am going there, in a couple of hours, was hoping it is near your location so we can have a beer or so :)02:33
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: will you join cccamp15?02:33
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I guess no02:34
KabouikAnd shall I add "fremantle free non-free" after the urls in App-manager too? Plus Distrib: "fremantle", and User:" free non-free"?02:34
freemangordonyeah, no way02:35
DocScrutinizer05Kabouik: I don't know for sure about how to add in app manager. some is "distribution" iirc02:36
KabouikAnother way to add them then? I'm currently sshing the N900 (but don't have nano)02:36
bencohfunny how none of us use app manager for that kind of things :D02:37
DocScrutinizer05Kabouik: just compare to stock nokia repos and how they are set up. muarf is just a mirror with different URL02:37
KabouikAnd what should I do with "./" and "./;;"?02:38
DocScrutinizer05where once been  you now make that
DocScrutinizer05the rest stays the same afaik02:39
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bencohwow, sorry.02:39
bencohfreaking bug :D02:39
bencohDocScrutinizer05: (keyboard bug on macox/X11)02:40
bencohanyway, yeah, the rest stays the same. just make sure you're not using https unless you added CACert to your rootca bundle02:41
KabouikI surely haven't done anything like that :D02:42
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KabouikShall I install backupmenu before or after cssu?02:54
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DocScrutinizer05Kabouik: irrelevant, but recommedned is before. You'll need the muarf repos for installation to succeed03:39
KabouikBut I'm stuck at trying to install cssu-thumb03:39
KabouikIt says that libqtm-bearer (and probably other libqtm-xxx too) are conflicting03:40
DocScrutinizer05yeah, well. cssu-thumb is very special and for sure not recommended for somebody to initially set up a working basic system03:41
KabouikPerhaps I have problems with repos though03:42
Kabouikmuarf mirrors say that keys have expired if I try apt-get upgrade03:43
KabouikAnd skeyron just fails03:43
KabouikNot sure what I should do to make them work03:43
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DocScrutinizer05"keys expired" is a warning (ignore it, it been same with original Nokia repos), apt-get upgrade is an absolute NoGo, and skeiron repos are not needed03:57
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DocScrutinizer05"keys expired" is a warning (ignore it, it been same with original Nokia repos), apt-get upgrade is an absolute NoGo, and skeiron repos are not needed04:00
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, still there04:01
DocScrutinizer05thought you left again, juist the moment I repeated the above04:02
DocScrutinizer05maemo is _not_ really a standard debia. Packaging is massively different, and thus `apt-get upgrade` is destructive04:03
DocScrutinizer05apt-get upgrade *might* be recommended when you have a very specifically and precisely defined particular set of repos enabled04:04
DocScrutinizer05and particularly DISabled04:05
DocScrutinizer05an apt-get upgrade with e.g. axtras-devel enabled will most likely fsck up your system in very subtle ways04:05
DocScrutinizer05generally maemo upgrades by installing a new version of mp-*-pr package04:08
DocScrutinizer05everything else is just dependencies of that master metapackage04:09
DocScrutinizer05other dependencies are basically non-supported in core maemo04:09
DocScrutinizer05the whole cssu-installer magic is just to replace the nokia mp by mp-fremantle-community-pr and same time add the cssu repo to list of repositories04:11
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DocScrutinizer05prolly somebody eventually should write a comprehensive exhaustive "howto reflash and keep alive maemo fremantle - and cssu"04:14
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DocScrutinizer05I did a tiny initial part by04:14
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like,, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh04:14
KabouikI'm sorry DocScrutinizer05, my Internet is very unstable tonight04:15
DocScrutinizer05btw there's version2 of now, which allows to flash COMBINED only (without touching VANILLA)04:15
KabouikUnfortunately I'm afraid I just did an apt-get upgrade like 15 min ago :/04:16
KabouikFor a reason:04:16
KabouikI launched CSSU-thumb from application after I installed it (so that it does its work), and it failed during the process because my Internet failed again04:17
KabouikAnd then, when I wanted to launch it again, it said "CSSU already installed" or something like that04:17
KabouikAnd it wouldn't update anything, despite the previous failure04:17
KabouikSo I did an upgrade and everything seemed to go well, but now I'm concerned :/04:18
DocScrutinizer05maybe you should start anew, get, reflash all, fix the nokia repos (muarf), install backupmenu, do a snapshot backup of your freshly installed and basically personalized system, then install cssu-stable (not thumb)04:20
KabouikI thought thumb was stable now, and more efficient04:21
DocScrutinizer05protip: move your fiasco images you already got into the dir where you unpacked before you start flash-it-all.sh04:21
KabouikDo you really think this small upgrade (before I installed anything but rootsh and cssu-thumb) has actually messed my system up?04:22
KabouikThe url to your tgz doesn't work by the way04:22
DocScrutinizer05thumb is immanently less "stable" than "normal" maemo, since it fails epically with standard kernels04:22
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KabouikI won't use my N900 with standard kernels anyway, I really can't bear the sluggyness without OC04:23
DocScrutinizer05dang, try
KabouikI'll save the url for later, I have linux on my laptop at work but not here (well, I have the laptop here, but it's off)04:24
DocScrutinizer05there's no sluggyness without OC. OC is extremely overrated. Sluggishness is caused by short-of-RAM and swap04:25
KabouikBut yet I remember I had a beecon with like 4 OC speeds, including a normal one, and I did notice huge improvements with OC04:26
Luke-Jrare there any post-2.6.28 kernels that fully support Maemo? (eg, not mainline)04:26
KabouikHow is it possible then? (I really trust you, you're the one who probably know the N900 the best, but I'm trying to understand if the OC did something else beneficial)04:26
DocScrutinizer05wich in turn often is caused by installation of a lot of useless poorly designed apps and desktop widgets04:26
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KabouikNow I'm concerned, I don't know if this small and single apt-get upgrade (again, with just rootsh and cssu-thumb installed) has messed up things and if I actually should start from scratch again :|04:27
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DocScrutinizer05many of which are installed by user to fight sluggishness and then causing exactly the opposite04:28
KabouikIt's true that N900 freshly reflashed is rather smooth, but well, I have nothing installed at the moment04:29
DocScrutinizer05when you had installed and enabled any of the maemo-extras repos then most likely the upgrade had negative effects, yes04:29
DocScrutinizer05when you had enabled extras-devel then for sure04:29
KabouikCrap :|04:30
KabouikSetting this repos takes ages everytime I reflash, fff.04:30
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DocScrutinizer05you might be interested in
KabouikCould you elaborate which catalogs it enables? I should make a .sh of that, chmod +x it, and then execute it from N900?04:34
DocScrutinizer05it saves and restores your current catalog aka repo list04:36
DocScrutinizer05faster than you could do that via HAM GUI04:37
DocScrutinizer05you however first need to save a list under a name like "all" or "foo" before you can restore it04:37
KabouikSo it's like "/etc/enable-catalogs foo", and it saves it, and then to restore them on a freshly reflashed device?04:38
KabouikIroN900:~# enable-catalogs save all04:38
KabouikOk, got it04:38
KabouikThanks a lot, will be very useful04:39
DocScrutinizer05enable-catalogs save foo; #mess-with-catalogs-to-your-liking; enable-catalogs save messedup; enable-catalogs foo #initial foo restored, messedup safed away04:39
KabouikAnd the only catalogs I need after a reflash are muarf (Nokia and Nokia updates), nothing else? CSSU will add catalogs it needs by itself?04:41
DocScrutinizer05err basically yes04:41
DocScrutinizer05you also might want maemo-extras04:42
KabouikThere's a muarf mirror too? I guess the original maemo-extras is dead too04:42
DocScrutinizer05maemo-extras is alive and kicking04:42
KabouikOk, and well, two last questions: If I reflash with maemo-flasher (Windows) instead of your script, do I lose any particular feature? It'll decide if I reflash tomorrow at work or tonight here04:43
DocScrutinizer05don't forget apt-get update after switching catalogs list with enable-catalogs  !04:44
KabouikAnd last question: you really see no advantage into cssu-thumb instead of cssu-stable? Do people actually have issues with thumbs? I feel that I might ultimately install kernelpower at some point anyway, but that probably is only one of many differences04:44
DocScrutinizer05flashing with windows is equivalent to flashing under linux04:44
KabouikYes but your script might have some DocScrutinizer05's special recipe :P04:45
DocScrutinizer05my script just simplifies finding the fiasco images and doing flashing the right way04:45
DocScrutinizer05there's noting really special in it04:45
DocScrutinizer05it's basically just a convenience wrapper, with detailed step-by-step instructions04:47
KabouikIf I got it well, I just need to flash EMMC, unplug usb, replug, and flash COMBINED, and reboot here. I could do it with the .exe flasher easily if that's just it04:48
DocScrutinizer05you still need to read and understand the basics of flashing in
DocScrutinizer05the fast way is to flash COMBINED first, then eMMC aka VANILLA (not needed if you already did a few hours before, since no apt-get upgrade will mess up eMMC - usually)04:50
KabouikOK, so just COMBINED then04:50
DocScrutinizer05without unplugging in between04:50
KabouikThere's no in between anymore if just Combined :OP04:51
KabouikShall I add the -R argument at the end?04:51
DocScrutinizer05please note that last 2 or 3 statements are not the usual 99.9% certainty on my side. I didn't do reflash manually since ages, so there's a certain risk I recall sth wrong04:52
KabouikNo worries DocScrutinizer05, I know the risks04:52
KabouikPlus I'll forget about my flashed N900 when you give me this expensive Neo900 I've started to pay :]04:53
DocScrutinizer05the -R means 'reboot' and is relevant only when you continue with reflashing04:53
DocScrutinizer05you may add -R and watch the device rebooting after flashing COMBINED04:53
DocScrutinizer05really important is: device MUST NOT reboot (even _start_ to reboot) between flashing COMBINED and flashing VANILLA04:55
KabouikNow that I think about it, I might be well inspired to change /home size first, following your tutorial04:55
DocScrutinizer05or you flash COMBINED *after* VANILLA04:56
DocScrutinizer05note that expanding /home size is done on VANILLA image04:56
DocScrutinizer05so you need to flash both04:56
KabouikYep, which means Vanilla, no reboot, Combined, reboot. Right?04:57
DocScrutinizer05right, as long as flashing vanilla works this way04:57
DocScrutinizer05in this case NO -R04:57
KabouikHell, let's start this freaking Linux laptop ;)04:57
DocScrutinizer05see why I started writing and then using this script? ;-)04:58
DocScrutinizer05it's actually so damn convenient I never would go for manual flashing again05:00
KabouikYoru script will flash both Vanilla (which I need to patch first) and combined, right?05:01
DocScrutinizer05again: when you already got fiasco images, place them into the expanded directory, this will save you some time for script downloading them again05:01
DocScrutinizer05the new version2 will ask you if you want to flash VANILLA too05:01
KabouikYes, it's transfering to the laptop just now, in fact05:01
DocScrutinizer05HAH! it's not capable to handle patched Vanilla, at least not out of the box05:02
KabouikQuestion to an experienced user: which size do you advise for /home? Something useful, not too small, not too large. I just can't remember how large I should expect /home to be05:03
KabouikI found your limits!05:03
DocScrutinizer05dunno, maybe 4GB?05:03
KabouikMakes me sad, I actually wanted to try your script now!05:04
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DocScrutinizer05no problem05:06
KabouikWell anyway the "sed -e blah blah" command doesn't work properly, I must be missing something05:06
DocScrutinizer05patch the vanilla fiasco image05:06
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KabouikRoughtly translated from the French, it says " sed: -e expression n°1, character 7: command 's' did not finish"05:07
KabouikOk I think it was just a typo, 1 min05:07
KabouikYes, indeed05:08
KabouikVanilla patched successfully for 4096 /home05:08
DocScrutinizer05place it into the directory where is. Then run the line "md5sum [name-of-YOUR-patched-vanilla]  >>md5sums.txt"05:09
Luke-Jrblah, last udev with 2.6.28 support is 3 years old.. is anyone maintaining the older udev at all?05:10
DocScrutinizer05then call " RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin  [name-of-YOUR-patched-vanilla]"05:11
KabouikDone DocScrutinizer05, will execute the script now05:11
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: any idea if Neo900 would work with Google's Project Fi?05:11
DocScrutinizer05dunno proj Fi05:11
DocScrutinizer05of course in above commands you replace  [name-of-YOUR-patched-vanilla] by the actual vilename, incl the brackets which are not going to be there in your command05:13
DocScrutinizer05afk, maybe bbl05:13
KabouikError while loading shared libraries:
DocScrutinizer05hmm, you need to install that then, it's needed by flasher05:15
DocScrutinizer05search for "libusb-0.1" on the page05:17
KabouikI think I have the x64 version05:17
Luke-Jrwhat is NeoN? just another name for Neo900?05:18
Luke-Jroh, the bare board?05:19
Luke-Jr^ should add to FAQ <.<05:19
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KabouikIsn't there an error in the wiki DocScrutinizer05?05:25
KabouikIt says to sudo mv libusb-0.1-4_0.1.12-13_i386/lib/* /lib32, and /lib32 doesn't exist. I can create it for sure, but the line after, it says to cd to /usr/lib32, not /lib3205:26
Kabouik/usr/lib32 does not exist either, but I find it strange that both dirs should be created without it to be mentioned in the guide05:26
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DocScrutinizer05sorry I got no debian 64bit system here, so I can't tell anything about this particular detail05:30
KabouikCrap, not sure what to do, I really am a noob with this05:30
DocScrutinizer05but it's probably correct in wiki, otherwise somebody would have hollered05:30
KabouikThe sudo mv libusb-0.1-4_0.1.12-13_i386/lib/* /lib32 command yields an error due to the missing dir05:31
DocScrutinizer05on the bright side: when you create those dirs, you know you can delete them again and nothing will have taken damage05:31
KabouikYes but I'm confused with /lib32 and /usr/lib3205:32
KabouikAnd don't know if I can remove them at the end when libusb is installed05:33
KabouikI think I should create both, because apparently there is a ln -s done in /usr/lib32, to /lib3205:33
KabouikI guess more recent distributions just don't have the lib32 dirs05:35
KabouikThey were probably there when the wiki was written05:35
KabouikI have lib and lib64 though, no sure if lib is actually the new name of lib32. I created lib32.05:36
KabouikWell, still the same error05:38
KabouikMaybe it requires a reboot05:38
KabouikAnd of course Windows flasher doesn't support patched vanilla :(05:48
KabouikOk found it, the Wiki is indeed out of date. /lib32 and /usr/lib32 should be replaced by /lib and /usr/lib05:50
KabouikDocScrutinizer05, for some reason, "Invalid FIASCO subimage (00)05:53
Kabouiksorry, flashing patched-4096home-VANILLA.bin (content of eMMC, incl /home/user/) failed with errorcode 005:53
KabouikWith flash-it-all and updated md5sums.txt05:53
DocScrutinizer05I *think* it's completely irrelevant where the libusb-0.1 is, as long as LD_LIBRARYPATH has the dir where the libusb is in05:53
DocScrutinizer05duh, the patched image is broken?05:54
DocScrutinizer05try flash-it-all without any parameters first, to make sure it works05:54
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KabouikYou mean with default Vanilla?05:55
DocScrutinizer05it will automatically use default vanilla when not given parameters on invocation05:56
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KabouikBut with the patched Vanilla, I got the above error06:00
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DocScrutinizer05grep -a -A15  'name = "internal";'  patched-4096home-VANILLA.bin06:03
DocScrutinizer05pastebin result06:03
DocScrutinizer05or compare to
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KabouikI tried again after repatching the Vanilla, will tell you after06:04
KabouikIn "sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin", should I leave the $, like "$4096", or just "4096"?06:04
DocScrutinizer05just 409606:05
KabouikWe'll see if it works this time06:05
KabouikSeems better, don't know why exactly. Probably a typo or a corrupt file with tranfers from desktop pc to laptop over wifi06:06
DocScrutinizer05don't forget to yank last line in md5sums.txt, the one you ">>"-added06:06
KabouikYep, done it06:06
KabouikIt seems to have worked this time, will boot the N900 now06:07
DocScrutinizer05you shouldn't have two lines with same filename in md5sums.txt06:07
KabouikStill don't know if I want cssu thumb or stable :D06:08
DocScrutinizer05you want stable. you can go for thumb later06:08
Kabouikthumb is supposedly faster and lighter, but unstable?06:08
DocScrutinizer05it's more complicated to handle06:08
KabouikOk, it won't require heavy work like flash and reinstall everything06:08
DocScrutinizer05no, it's 'easy'06:09
KabouikAnd if I want kernelpower all along cssu-stable and backupmenu, no hassle?06:09
DocScrutinizer05no hassle06:09
Luke-Jrwhere is pali these days? :/06:10
DocScrutinizer05temporarily offline?06:10
DocScrutinizer05~seen pali06:10
KabouikHe was there earlier tonight06:10
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 32m 2s ago, saying: 'from year 2011'.06:10
KabouikHeck, 5h30 ago already u_u06:10
DocScrutinizer05Kabouik: please do a "df -h" on device06:11
Kabouik/home/opt 3.906:12
KabouikSounds good06:12
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DocScrutinizer05how do you like the script?06:16
KabouikNot bad. :]06:17
KabouikAnd thanks a lot for your help too!06:17
DocScrutinizer05yw :-)06:17
KabouikCurrently adding repos, then I'll save them using your other script06:17
Kabouikand do a backupmenu backup06:17
KabouikI just remember that backupmenu and kernelpower are not necessarily good friends without appropriate manipulation, so I'd better be careful with that06:18
DocScrutinizer05you should safe the original state of repo list too06:18
KabouikYou think so? Nokia and Nokia updates are dead anyway06:18
DocScrutinizer05nah, backupmenu and KP are orthogonal06:18
DocScrutinizer05yep, indeed06:19
KabouikThere were some adapted kp-images if I remember well06:19
Kabouiklike uboot and everything06:19
DocScrutinizer05not afaik06:19
Kabouikor multiboot, it's very far06:19
DocScrutinizer05uBoot and kernel are entagled. backupmenu however is a mere userland app06:19
DocScrutinizer05and steer clear of multiboot!06:20
DocScrutinizer05it's BAD[TM]06:20
KabouikIt wears out emmc, something like that, right?06:21
KabouikThere was an alternate version of backupmenu too, to be compatible with both types of kp06:21
DocScrutinizer05NAND, yeah. But not only that. It's screwed06:21
DocScrutinizer05nope, backupmenu is unrelated to kernel06:22
DocScrutinizer05except maybe for battery charging06:22
KabouikOk so I have, maemo-extras, Nokia muarf, Nokia updates muarf06:22
KabouikSounds good06:22
DocScrutinizer05and even then, only loosely06:22
KabouikGood then06:23
stryngsDocScrutinizer05: Didn't you say, long ago, that ruining emmc would take a billion re-writes?06:23
DocScrutinizer05for backupmenu you need to enable extras-devel iirc06:23
DocScrutinizer05ruuining eMMC takes a lot of writes, yes06:24
KabouikAh yeah, it was too easy06:24
stryngsDocScrutinizer05: k, making sure I haven't missed something =)06:24
DocScrutinizer05it still has dependencies that are not (yet?) satisfied in maemo-extras06:25
DocScrutinizer05the extras-devel version can pull those dependencies from extras-devel and thus should install, I heard06:26
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DocScrutinizer05maybe meanwhile that info is obsolete06:26
KabouikI guess I just need to be careful with apt-get upgrade if I enable extras-devel06:27
KabouikAnd not install crap like speedpatch and batterypatch06:27
KabouikThey might be in testing though06:27
DocScrutinizer05NEVER do apt-get upgrade!06:27
KabouikYes, I know it now :]06:28
DocScrutinizer05afk again06:28
KabouikI'd even like to disable apt-get upgrade command if I could06:29
KabouikTo make sure I don't do stupid things when drunk ;)06:29
infobotjrtools is probably
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, it only blocks dist-upgrade :-/06:30
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DocScrutinizer05 "dist-upgrade"|"autoremove")06:31
DocScrutinizer05    # autoremove kills rtcom-accounts-voip-support06:31
DocScrutinizer05    # see
DocScrutinizer05    echo "NONONO!! Don't do that!"06:31
DocScrutinizer05change "dist-upgrade"|"autoremove")  to   "upgrade"|"dist-upgrade"|"autoremove")06:32
Luke-Jrdoes that affect aptitude too?06:33
DocScrutinizer05actually I'm not quite sure now06:33
DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: maemo has weird packaging, there are no proper dependencies in core packages. Everything gets installed via mp-*-pr metapackage06:35
KabouikThanks, will do that after the backup (chose the very slow compressed option :)), or tomorrow06:35
KabouikIt's 5:35 already and I work tomorrow D:06:35
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: so shouldn't those metapackages work?06:35
DocScrutinizer05err, they work06:35
DocScrutinizer05but the missing dependencies in dependencies of metapackage render a normal upgrade potentially flawed and dangerous06:36
Luke-Jrso only a problem if you remove standard stuff, right?06:36
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DocScrutinizer05a problem when for example somebody introduces a higer version of libfoobar in maemo-extras-devel which is not working at all, yet gets upgraded when you do a general upgrade06:38
DocScrutinizer05we had that with libx11dunnowhat iirc06:39
DocScrutinizer05killed systems06:39
DocScrutinizer05several other stuff sneaking in with less obvious flaws06:40
DocScrutinizer05I think Qt libs also introduced quite some fun like that06:42
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KabouikGood night folks, I'll continue tomorrow06:44
KabouikIt's almost 6 and I work in 3 hours :o06:44
KabouikThanks a ton DocScrutinizer05, for all that time you spend helping me06:45
KabouikNow work on my Neo900! :O06:45
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Kabouik_Folks, I'm trying to enable USB networking on my N900 to allow SSH over USB (no WiFi available all the time) using this:
Kabouik_I edited /etc/network/interfaces on the N90012:41
Kabouik_But can't ping it from my Mint 17 x64 computer12:41
KotCzarnyyou dont need to edit anything12:43
Kabouik_Why this Wiki guide then? :[12:44
KotCzarnyjust laod the module and ifconfig12:44
KotCzarnydont know, worked for me (slackware)12:44
KotCzarnymaybe people like making their life harder12:44
Kabouik_On Mint's network manager, I see "Nokia N900    Not supported" instead of "Nokia N900   On|Off"12:44
Kabouik_Well I did try to ping the N900 before editing but it wouldn't work12:45
KotCzarnymake sure ifconfigs are on the same net12:46
Kabouik_I really am lost here12:48
KotCzarny1/ what are ifconfig output for n900 and pc12:49
Kabouik_I have the correct address on the N900,, thanks to the edited /etc/network/interfaces12:50
Kabouik_But the laptop seems to fail connecting through USB, with this "Unsupported" warning in Network manager12:50
Kabouik_I apparently have no usb0 in ifconfig on the laptop12:51
KotCzarnynetwork manager sucks12:51
KotCzarnymodprobe g_ether ?12:51
Kabouik_On laptop?12:51
Kabouik_modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'g_ether': No such device12:51
DefiantKabouik_: can you insert n900 and do ifconfig -a12:56
Defianton your PC12:56
Kabouik_ Defiant (N900 set to PC Suite)12:57
KotCzarnyum, i dont set any usb mode on mine12:58
Kabouik_This is not the MAC address I have on the N900 with ifconfig usb012:58
KotCzarnybut n900 side works if you have ifconfig usb012:58
DefiantKabouik_: ok what about executing "ifup usb0"12:59
DefiantKotCzarny: my n900 asks me everytime if I want storage or the other thing12:59
Kabouik_I think it was already done Defiant12:59
KotCzarnykabouik: modprobe usbnet ?12:59
DefiantKabouik_: the interface is not up12:59
Kabouik_Oh, I did not run ifup usb0 on the laptop, only N90013:00
Kabouik_I can now ping the N90013:00
Kabouik_So each time I want to ssh into the N900, I need ifup usb0 on both devices, and then ifdown usb0 when I'm done? Am I right?13:00
bencohmost probably network manager doing stuff behind your back13:01
KotCzarnywell, if you edit /etc/network/interfaces it will go up properly13:01
Defiant/etc/udev/rules.d/nokia-n900.rules should do the ifup for you13:01
KotCzarnyits the pc side that didnt go up auto13:01
Kabouik_I did create a /etc/udev/rules.d/nokia-n900.rules on the laptop with the settings in the guide (though they are for Ubuntu 12.04), but it still didn't work13:03
Kabouik_I edited /etc/network/interfaces too, and restarted the service13:03
Kabouik_Maybe the problem is that the N900's usb0 MAC address changes at each reboot?13:03
Defiantor nm interferes..13:04
Kabouik_The guide does not mention any distrib more recent than Ubuntu 12.04 so I guess some things have changed since then13:05
bencohor no-one bothered editing it13:06
Defianthmm Kabouik_ can you pastebin lsusb -v13:06
Kabouik_Anyway, if will use "ifup usb0" and "ifdown usb0" each time I guess. But ssh root@ finds the N900, but fails because "host key verification failed"13:06
Kabouik_I have to go to lunch (coworkers are awaiting me), can I get back to you later?13:06
DefiantKabouik_: you probably once at a time had another usb0 on
Kabouik_Ah yes, maybe, my Jolla13:06
Kabouik_Have to go, will be back here13:07
Sicelojust assign an IP to that usb0 ... linux won't "remember" old non-connected cards13:07
Sicelothe paste shows no IP on usb013:08
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Kabouik_Inded Sicelo, but it was before I did ifup usb0 on the laptop13:59
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Siceloyeah :) saw later that you got it working14:01
Kabouik_I think I will just stick to using ifup usb0/ifdown usb0 on the laptop prior to sshing my N900, will be enough14:02
Kabouik_But now I need to fix this host key identification problem. My Jolla is using the same IP address and thus /home/user/.ssh/known_hosts says my N900 has a wrong key14:03
KotCzarnyclear the line that conflixts14:03
KotCzarnyand start using ssh keys with passwords14:03
Kabouik_Hm, guess I'll have to read some manusl for ssh keys with passwords :o14:04
KotCzarnyor without passwords, if you dont car14:04
Kabouik_But is it possible to have both Jolla and N900 using the same ip when sshing?14:04
bencohand just change the IP of either jolla or n900 :)14:05
KotCzarnyits just that you reused the ip while sshing earlier to different host14:05
KotCzarnycould be usb network script assigning the same14:05
Kabouik_Will change the ip of the N900 usb0 then14:06
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Kabouik_DocScrutinizer05, could you tell me what I should do to have recognized as a command? I moved it to /bin, chmod +x, but the command is still unknwon14:58
KotCzarnyhash -r ?14:59
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Kabouik_Still "not found"15:00
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DocScrutinizer05check the shebang17:23
KotCzarnybtw. did you see the news that simple mms can remotely hack almost any android device?17:23
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KotCzarnyyou dont even have to open that mms17:24
DocScrutinizer05well, I guess you still need to plug it in to the device to hack17:26
KotCzarnyall it takes is sending mms17:26
KotCzarnyno user action required17:26
DocScrutinizer05show it to device by <2m distance?17:26
DocScrutinizer05argh, MMS17:27
KotCzarnynope, via gsm network17:27
DocScrutinizer05that's pretty old news that SMS can be used to attack a phone17:28
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KotCzarnysure, but we are talking about remote control without user interactin17:29
KotCzarnyhole was discovered >110days ago, no patches from goog17:29
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keriohow do you plug a mms into a phone17:46
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DocScrutinizer05well, I think phones getting killed by SMS without user interaction was demonstrated around CCC2009 or somesuch18:03
KotCzarnynot killed18:03
KotCzarnytotal control18:04
KotCzarnyzombies, etc18:04
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KotCzarnyand its another different hole, which is going to be little star of next blackhat conference18:18
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merlin1991well sms wise apple had some fun with font encoding not long ago where some sms would turn the phone off18:26
KotCzarnythis one has power to execute any code18:28
KotCzarnyand the funniest part, google made a patch, but you know how and when it gets patched? if your phone provider makes an update available to you18:29
merlin1991heh gotta love that article18:30
merlin1991Additional exploits could be “chained”, such as those that ”escalate privileges”, allowing wider access across the phone. Drake said those exploits “are fairly easy to come by on Android, there are quite a few that are public”.18:30
merlin1991all the quotation marks around non technical terms :D18:31
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KotCzarnyoh, well, antivir companies now have legit reason to claim 'use us or else..'18:40
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DocScrutinizer05meh, aiui MMS tells mobile to "please pull arbitrary content from URL $random and display it" - the only surprise I see in exploits appearing for that is: "what the heck took sooooo long?"19:09
DocScrutinizer05s/arbitrary content/arbitrary HTTP content/19:10
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: meh, aiui MMS tells mobile to "please pull arbitrary HTTP content from URL $random and display it" - the only surprise I see in exploits appearing for that is: "what the heck took sooooo long?"19:10
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KabouikI have a key for Sygic maps, but can't find where to download it now that Ovi repo is dead. The only thing I find on Google is a cracked version. Isn't there a legit mirror somewhere?22:35
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Siceloare there even updated maps for it available?22:50
KabouikProbably not since like 2010, but that would still do the job more than an online GPS for me22:51
Kabouik(I will still install an online one but need both)22:51
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Sicelothere are other 'better' solutions for offline .. modrana i think23:05
Siceloi personally find Ovi good enough, and they are a litte bit newer than 2010, although no longer updated too23:06
KabouikI'm not a big fan of Modrana :(23:09
bencohyou can try marble23:09
KabouikTried already23:09
KabouikI just have a key for Sygic, I find it frustrating that I can only find cracked versions of it23:09
bencohnot to your taste either ?23:09
KabouikI have not tried it heavily, I admit I only have driven with Sygic/Waze/Here until now, or Ovi sometimes23:10
KabouikSygic was the best alternative to Here for offline GPS, in my opinion. And in fact it was the most reliable the last time I had to use my N900 for driving (Waze wouldn't work and Ovi had no offline maps)23:11
bencohsygic wasn't hostes on the nokia OVI repository23:11
bencohdid they have there own repo ?23:11
KabouikI don't know, I bought the key with a used N900, I'm not the original buyer23:11
SiceloOvi has always had offline maps23:11
KabouikThen I don't remember why23:17
L29Ahdid anyone suggest navit yet?23:17
KabouikBut I know that when I bought this used N900 with Sygic installed on it, I liked it23:17
KabouikNow I miss not being able to download it :/23:18
L29Ahare you religiously offended by cracks?23:18
KabouikNo L29Ah, not at all, but the fact that I have this key, well...23:18
KabouikBut maybe the cracked version is just the original with a separate crack, I'll check that23:18
L29Ahwill you become happy when you remove your key? :323:19
KabouikI'm just not thrilled by the idea of downloading a .deb file on a website full of cracks, I'm not sure of the version or even if it's really safe23:23
L29Ahare you using ~repos23:24
KabouikYes, muarf mirrors23:24
KabouikAnd extras23:25
L29Ahit's unsafe and full of trojans23:25
L29Ahinfo 100%23:25
KabouikWell, right, I know, but I am surprised that people are surprised if I prefer a legit version over a cracked one (if it still exists, that's my question) as long as I have a paid key for it!23:26
KabouikI didn't expect I would have to justify :o23:26
KabouikBut I get your point L29Ah, no worries, I will probably end up downloading it where I found it23:29
bencohL29Ah: meh :D it's signed by nokia :p23:34
L29Ahi didn't find a way to verify the signatures23:36
bencohI dunno whether apt verifies it then says it has expired, or if it just ignores it23:37
KabouikNokia knows something about trojans, especially Elop. :o23:37

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