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| KotCzarny | hmm, does anyone actually tested battery life with and without smartreflex? | 00:52 |
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| freemangordon | KotCzarny: yes, it was vi, back then | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | and is it worth? i'm using it for some time, yet i don't see anything noticeable | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | (at least according to battery-eye) | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | on a positive note it's stable, didn't have any unexpected reboots | 00:55 |
| freemangordon | let me try to find the thread | 00:56 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, seems the thread has disappeared :( | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | i only see vi_ commenting on smartreflex in this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82145 | 01:03 |
| freemangordon | the last post from vi_ on TMO is from 06-16-12 | 01:03 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: no, it was a beautiful thread, with graphics, for different frequencies and loads | 01:03 |
| freemangordon | unfortunately it seems to be archived/deleted | 01:04 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: anyway, I remember something like 8% lower consumption for (500? 600?) MHz | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | uhum, i set mine to 500 too | 01:09 |
| freemangordon | but anyway SR is highly device dependent, so your mileage may vary | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | and 8% goes well into observable margin | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | would be nice to have second n900 just for testing | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | you can check what is the voltage set by SR and compare it without SR | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | that'll give you an idea | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | about what saving (if any) to expect | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | nah, i believe it's working, but i wanted to know how much in battery time it can gain | 01:11 |
| freemangordon | well, you know such a question has no answer :) . usage pattern, you know | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | that's why second n900 :) | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | this one is my main phone | 01:12 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: lock your frequency at 500 (for example), then "cat /sys/power/sr_vdd1_voltage" | 01:13 |
| freemangordon | then compare it with voltage for 500 without SR | 01:14 |
| freemangordon | it is in units of .125V, (iirc) | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | 38 | 01:15 |
| freemangordon | hmm, it is 32 here | 01:15 |
| freemangordon | are you sure you have SR enabled? | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | 1 in /sys/power/sr_vdd[12]_autocomp ? | 01:16 |
| freemangordon | yep | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | then yes | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | without sr its 39 | 01:16 |
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| freemangordon | well, then you have a "bad" device which doesn't gain much from SR | 01:17 |
| freemangordon | and what about 250MHz? | 01:17 |
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| freemangordon | mine is at 23 with SR | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | 24 with, 25 without | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | well, oscillating between 24 and 25 | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | power53? | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | yeah, not much of a difference | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power53 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 10 13:52:39 UTC 2014 armv7l unknown | 01:19 |
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| freemangordon | KotCzarny: have you ever tried to undervolt? | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | never, apart from enabling sr | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | btw. vdd2 value differs a bit more with/wo sr | 01:21 |
| freemangordon | you;d better not enable SR for vdd2 | 01:22 |
| bencoh | I wonder what it does when usb is plugged in ... it says vdd1==35, vdd2==37 | 01:22 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: locks the freq at 600 (iirc) | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon: vdd2 is bad in a way it can crash the device or silent corruption? | 01:23 |
| bencoh | 500 apparently, but yeah, it might be just that | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | so far i didn't notice anything | 01:23 |
| bencoh | what's wrong with SR on vdd2 ? | 01:23 |
| freemangordon | bad in a way that SR calibration values are wrong (as are those for vdd1), but I didn;t make a patch to fix them (which I did for vdd1) | 01:24 |
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| freemangordon | and I can only guess what can an undervolted bus bring, be it crash or silent corruption | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | print a warning in dmesg | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | just for now | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:26 |
| freemangordon | I think there is | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 01:27 |
| freemangordon | could be, it was a while I last played with it :) | 01:27 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: too high or too low ? | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, so far my device was stable, even with vdd2, but as you've said it's not undervolting much | 01:28 |
| freemangordon | too low | 01:28 |
| bencoh | oh | 01:28 |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: hmm, wait | 01:28 |
| freemangordon | it is a bit more complicated | 01:29 |
| freemangordon | for vdd1 there a 5 efuse values | 01:29 |
| freemangordon | and 3 for vdd2 | 01:29 |
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| freemangordon | the last 3 ( for 500, 550 and 600) for vdd1 are same on all devices I've ever checked | 01:30 |
| freemangordon | the same goes for 3rd value for vdd2 | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | /sys/power/efuse_vdd1 has 10 lines here | 01:31 |
| freemangordon | while 1st and second values are too high for all the devices I've checked | 01:31 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: yes, thosa are for frequencies 125-805 | 01:32 |
| freemangordon | *those | 01:32 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: so, we have 2 values that are always higher than needed and 3 which are too high or too low for a particular device | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | the same goes for vdd2 | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | we have 2 values that are too high and 1 which could be high or low | 01:33 |
| bencoh | hmm | 01:34 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: your 3rd value for vdd2 is 00aac695, right? | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:34 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: ^^^ you have the same, right? | 01:34 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: and ... how do we know it's too high or too low ? checking against some doc ? | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | 009aaedf 00aafda7 00aac695 | 01:35 |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: there is no way you can know | 01:35 |
| freemangordon | those are supposed to be parameters, factory caliibrated for a particular SoC | 01:36 |
| bencoh | I mean ... how did you check ? | 01:36 |
| freemangordon | I didn;t | 01:36 |
| freemangordon | I took the first pair only | 01:36 |
| bencoh | "we have 2 values that are too high and 1 which could be high or low" compared to what ? empiric values ? | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | for vdd1 that is. The other values are extrapolated | 01:37 |
| bencoh | I have 009ac0eb 009a8bb0 00aac695 for vdd2 | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: compared to what the device needs to be stable, without consuming unnecessary power | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | yep, again 00aac695 ;) | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | factory failsafe of some kind? | 01:38 |
| freemangordon | no idea what it is, but it is wrong | 01:38 |
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| bencoh | I'll read the omap3 documentation, some day 0:) | 01:40 |
| bencoh | (not saying this just regarding this specific point ... :) | 01:41 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: the idea is - TI measures the device performance at different OPPs, loads and temperatures, then programs eFuses with SoC specific values. Those values are used by the kernel to program SR controller, which in turns controls TWL's voltage regulators. | 01:42 |
| freemangordon | *int turn | 01:42 |
| freemangordon | dammit, too sleepy :) | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | pity i have bad device | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | still, works as it is | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | unproductive smartreflex doesn't consume any overhead energy? | 01:43 |
| freemangordon | yeah, your device seems to be on the bad end of the spectrum | 01:43 |
| freemangordon | afaik no | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | thanks for the info :) | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | going to leave it enabled anyway | 01:44 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: keep in mind that even 0.25V down make some difference | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | heh, how about a rescueos based kernel with testing script? :) | 01:45 |
| freemangordon | testing what? | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | you've said something about locking voltages | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | or i'm sleepy too and read more that there was said | 01:46 |
| freemangordon | I guess | 01:46 |
| freemangordon | :) | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | ah, i see, you have asked me about undervolting | 01:46 |
| freemangordon | locking was to give you an idea how does SR perform on your device | 01:46 |
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| freemangordon | to compare vdd1 voltage with nd without SR | 01:47 |
| freemangordon | *and | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | also that explains why i didnt notice any battery life improvements | 01:51 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | in 125mhz vdd1 is 23 | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | and vdd2 is 30 | 01:54 |
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| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1032062&postcount=76 | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 01:58 |
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| KotCzarny | so actually sr should make chips more stable | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | assuming it's working right | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | and for some chips it could make battery life shorter | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | well, scratch the last line | 02:01 |
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| KotCzarny | on a side note: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Building_Qt_with_OpenGL_ES_accelerated_by_SGX | 02:13 |
| bencoh | hmm WindowSystem=libpvrQWSWSEGL.so | 02:17 |
| bencoh | that's for qws ... and afaik not for qt/x11 | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | harmattan has much more tweakables in this file | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, was it you who suggested one line disabling for modest? | 02:29 |
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| KotCzarny | wow, 18yo said 'grow up' to freemangordon :) | 02:33 |
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| R0b0t1 | No idea if this is too device specific, but is the x-loader binary signed or signed and encypted? | 05:02 |
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| bencoh | KotCzarny: https://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format (see X-Maemo-Prestarted) | 07:59 |
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| KotCzarny | bencoh: what do i change from that file? shall i disable service entirely? | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | or just -prestarted | 09:28 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, commenting prestarted stopped it autmatically, nice | 09:29 |
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| KotCzarny | now, | 09:31 |
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| KotCzarny | what are possible effects of disabling the prestart? it will only launch a bit longer or mail autochecks are done by it too? | 09:32 |
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| bencoh | KotCzarny: reraid what doc said | 10:02 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, i do agree that trimming too much is a bad thing, but there are things that i dont use, yet, they might be important to others in some way, is it bad to ask? | 10:03 |
| bencoh | I'm talking about what he said regarding modest and alarmd (whatever the spelling) | 10:04 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, alarmclient: not found | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | installing | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | [root@Nokia-N900:~]# alarmclient -L|grep modest | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | [root@Nokia-N900:~]# | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | i guess it only puts things on shedule if you have any email accounts with autochecks | 10:13 |
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| bencoh | probably | 10:16 |
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| KotCzarny | not adding any contacts to the desktop shaves 5-10M of memory | 10:22 |
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| KotCzarny | microb settings don't affect browserd settings? | 10:31 |
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| gr8 | hi, the Neo900 sounds awesome and it claims to care about my privacy. But what about radio triangulation? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking This is a major concern for me, in fact I don't use mobile phones for this reason. I guess the very same problem applies to the Neo900? Is it possible to disable the phone antenna and LTE and just use Wifi? | 10:32 |
| KotCzarny | gr8: there is #neo900 channel | 10:33 |
| gr8 | oh ok | 10:33 |
| gr8 | thx | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | it's very specific question, you know | 10:33 |
| gr8 | the neo900 website directed me to this channel | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, in general, if you dont use gsm modem, you can try setting offline mode | 10:34 |
| Humpelstilzchen | but that will disable wifi on maemo too | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | does it? [checks] | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, right, shucks | 10:35 |
| bencoh | itt does yeah :) | 10:35 |
| bencoh | there might be some dbus command to turn the modem off | 10:35 |
| Humpelstilzchen | but there is are tools which can disable only gsm or only wifi | 10:35 |
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| KotCzarny | on droid 'plane mode' only disables gsm chip | 10:35 |
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| gr8 | really? on Cyanogenmod it also disables Wifi | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | Humpelstilzchen: he asked about neo900, it might be different than n900's dbus commands | 10:36 |
| Humpelstilzchen | KotCzarny: not really when we use the same software.. | 10:36 |
| gr8 | yeah I mean if a linux kernel is running on it, it might be possible to use all linux commands, right? | 10:37 |
| Humpelstilzchen | probably not all, might have a problem with some newer systemd ones.. | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | yes, unless something is stuck into binary blob | 10:37 |
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| KotCzarny | tmo jewels: gconftool-2 -s -t int /apps/osso/status-area-applet-battery/use_design_capacity 0 | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | Above saves lot of frustration with getting completely BS values posing as correct, when battery gauge is not calibrated (at all 0 like, lost calibration data due to battery out of device for too long and dead bupbat). | 10:52 |
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| KotCzarny | wiki.maemo.org is missing a favicon | 11:35 |
| KotCzarny | The requested URL /favicon.ico was not found on this server. | 11:36 |
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| KotCzarny | l29ah: for your battery troubles, maybe you'll find some tricks there: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1431701 | 13:00 |
| L29Ah | i don't see how it's relevant | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | has some battery charging magic | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | ie. if you cant get bme to make it work right, you can override it | 13:13 |
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| R0b0t1 | sirs I am loss | 13:58 |
| R0b0t1 | where find compile repo for maemo? | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | that question doesnt compute | 13:58 |
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| R0b0t1 | KotCzarny: I wish compile maemo | 13:58 |
| R0b0t1 | for device | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | whole thing? | 13:58 |
| R0b0t1 | yes, thanks | 13:58 |
| R0b0t1 | especially kernel | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | parts have sources, some are binary blobs though | 13:59 |
| R0b0t1 | google found dead links :\ | 13:59 |
| bencoh | you wont be able to recompile everything | 13:59 |
| R0b0t1 | which not? | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | here be kernel | 13:59 |
| bencoh | and there is no easy process for a scratch build | 13:59 |
| bencoh | but anyway, see scratchbox | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | just apt-get install kernel-source in scratchbox | 13:59 |
| bencoh | ~sb | 13:59 |
| infobot | [scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 13:59 |
| R0b0t1 | wait | 14:00 |
| R0b0t1 | why no crosschain? | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | ask nokia | 14:00 |
| R0b0t1 | crossdev no? | 14:00 |
| R0b0t1 | what breaks? | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | you are free to prepare your own build env | 14:00 |
| R0b0t1 | ok | 14:00 |
| bencoh | wont be easy though | 14:01 |
| R0b0t1 | hoped past experience had found things not to do | 14:01 |
| bencoh | there was a gsoc to port maemo to the openembedded build system | 14:02 |
| R0b0t1 | bencoh: can you be more specific? | 14:02 |
| R0b0t1 | I see | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | see: http://elinux.org/N900 | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | for open/closed parts | 14:02 |
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| R0b0t1 | ah I had seen | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | and this too, though it might be a bit out of date | 14:03 |
| Maxdamantus | A recnt kernel is probably relatively easy to compile. | 14:04 |
| Maxdamantus | you just need a recent gcc/binutils targeted for ARM. | 14:04 |
| R0b0t1 | Is armv7a-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-' | 14:04 |
| R0b0t1 | proper cross prefix? | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | weren't some n900 things dropped from mainline? | 14:05 |
| R0b0t1 | I will attempt to build system later using that. One thing I could not find is any kind of serial terminal. Is there a debug bridge over usb or similar? | 14:05 |
| R0b0t1 | or would I need to break out the 1.8V tty pins | 14:05 |
| R0b0t1 | on my device | 14:05 |
| Maxdamantus | I don't think something like that would be necessary. | 14:06 |
| Maxdamantus | if you're trying to use a recent kernel, fbcon works fine. | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking | 14:06 |
| Maxdamantus | there's probably some USB tty gadget you could use if you want too. | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | also, google for openwrt port for n900, might be what you need | 14:07 |
| R0b0t1 | Maxdamantus, what do you mean? | 14:07 |
| R0b0t1 | Oh | 14:07 |
| R0b0t1 | I will probably need to supply input | 14:07 |
| R0b0t1 | device does not have on-the-go | 14:07 |
| Maxdamantus | gadget is the opposite of OTG | 14:07 |
| R0b0t1 | yes | 14:07 |
| R0b0t1 | I have one that would work | 14:07 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: yeah, some stuff broke, some even got dropped | 14:07 |
| R0b0t1 | would just prefer not to solder :p | 14:08 |
| R0b0t1 | meh I will put in order for some pogo pins | 14:08 |
| R0b0t1 | hm ok | 14:18 |
| R0b0t1 | If I enable OTG on my device (n900) and set console parameter, I should have something that will work if necessary | 14:18 |
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| R0b0t1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900 | 14:31 |
| R0b0t1 | wooo | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | don't get too excited, it's not 100% | 14:31 |
| R0b0t1 | what works is sufficient | 14:38 |
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| KotCzarny | if you wish to use it only as a minicomputer without phone part, sure, it works, you can even have android working | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | natively | 14:39 |
| R0b0t1 | I wish to use gentoo system as host and virtualize android or maemo | 14:40 |
| R0b0t1 | Processor supports ARM TrustZone, should be possible | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | but you know n900 only has 256M of ram? | 14:43 |
| R0b0t1 | yes | 14:47 |
| R0b0t1 | should've seen how many VMs I got in 2gb | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | vm is not a problem, running fat apps is | 14:48 |
| R0b0t1 | honestly it is mostly to copy AOSP. I don't use many apps myself, but having a "working" ecosystem already is nice | 14:51 |
| R0b0t1 | AOSP telephony services* | 14:51 |
| KotCzarny | telephone service without any audio? | 14:51 |
| R0b0t1 | if it works in maemo it will work eventually | 14:52 |
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| R0b0t1 | weird | 15:23 |
| R0b0t1 | n900 dts got mainlined, yet there's no defconfig | 15:23 |
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| KotCzarny | make rx51_defconfig | 15:25 |
| KotCzarny | read http://elinux.org/N900 | 15:25 |
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| R0b0t1 | yeah that doesn't exist | 15:57 |
| R0b0t1 | huh | 15:57 |
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| Luke-Jr | R0b0t1: Maemo needs >256M by itself even without virt | 17:17 |
| Luke-Jr | and *possible* != code exists | 17:17 |
| KotCzarny | luke, it doesnt, i still have some mem free | 17:18 |
| KotCzarny | tiny bit, but | 17:18 |
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| endso | hm..speaking of gentoo on device..I'm surprised no one(s) [with far far more technical understanding than I that is] hasn't done antiX for arm....I think it was mentioned in their own forums once or twice about being open to it..but they don't savvy embedded from what I gather..so it was never done. | 17:26 |
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| KotCzarny | looks like timeout | 17:51 |
| KotCzarny | not a netsplit | 17:51 |
| KotCzarny | ie. some server died | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *nod* | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, bot is online again | 17:52 |
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| Ceres | hello! connection is a bit unstable so i may ask this question again later :P(sorry about that!) Where can i find package dependencies that aren't available on any repos? | 19:26 |
| L29Ah | ~repos | 19:27 |
| infobot | i heard repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 19:27 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 19:27 |
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| Ceres | i should probably add that i'm on OS 2008 | 19:36 |
| Ceres | i will check the second one now | 19:36 |
| Ceres | ok, i have all the diablo ones, and the tabletter servers must be down for a while now | 19:36 |
| Ceres | tableteer* | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, tableteer went down, i have a copy locally on disk i think if you need specific packages | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | 145M catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 19:37 |
| Ceres | :D | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | dont know if its complete though | 19:38 |
| Ceres | you sound like a life saver | 19:38 |
| Ceres | i could make a list | 19:38 |
| Ceres | have you considered uploading it somewhere | 19:39 |
| L29Ah | Ceres: did you try oscp? | 19:39 |
| Ceres | ? | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | if you know some nice and easy file hosting i can upload it wholly | 19:39 |
| Ceres | i feel like i will be hated if i ask this but i dont know qhat that is | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | the best media player for n8x0 and n900 | 19:40 |
| Ceres | (referring to oscp) | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | unless you prefer media libraries, then it isnt | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | but if you prefer dir/file libraries then there is nothing better | 19:41 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 | 19:41 |
| Ceres | hmmm | 19:42 |
| Ceres | the one i can think of off the top of my head is libgcc-something | 19:42 |
| Ceres | and some c++ related libs? | 19:42 |
| Ceres | i only recently discovered irc so i havent tried installing again | 19:43 |
| Ceres | uuuum wetransfer is easy to use | 19:44 |
| Ceres | you upload what you want, share the link, and people download it | 19:44 |
| Ceres | catch is files are kept onlinw for a week or so | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | checking it | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | shouldnt gcc be in maemo.org repo? | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gcc-3.4/ | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 19:47 |
| stryngs | o0o0o | 19:48 |
| stryngs | 3.4? | 19:48 |
| stryngs | why so early? | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | stryngs, diablo is old | 19:48 |
| stryngs | Ah | 19:48 |
| stryngs | didnt pay attention =) | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | ceres: what's your apr config? | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | apt | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | tableteer had some closed binaries with specific licenses, rest was in regular diablo repo | 19:50 |
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| Ceres | uuuum | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | you should have this one for most of the nokia provided stuff | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | wrong link | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:53 |
| Ceres | are you asking me to send you my sources? :P | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | how can i check the source repo of the package that is installed on the system? | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | and by source i mean from where it was downloaded | 19:55 |
| Ceres | got DC'd, didn't see it if you replied | 19:56 |
| Ceres | :P | 19:56 |
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| KotCzarny | ceres, as a side note, gcc is not meant to be installed on the device, only for sdk. if you want ondevice devel you have to be cautious and add sdk repo | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | so i guess you can safely comment the tableteer repos | 19:58 |
| Ceres | ok this is frustrating, i'm getting DC'd all the time | 19:58 |
| KotCzarny | use some shell? | 19:58 |
| Ceres | if you guys are still here and willing to help i will ask you again when i'm off work! | 19:58 |
| KotCzarny | sure, but take a note ^ | 19:59 |
| Ceres | sorry for this but the internet sucks here -_- | 19:59 |
| Ceres | i'm logging all this so it's cool! ^_^ | 19:59 |
| Ceres | thanks for everything so far! :) | 20:00 |
| Ceres | later~! | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | cya | 20:00 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, how to translate http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/ into apt entry? | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | it tries to add /dists/ everytime | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | ok, it's for sdk. nvm | 20:11 |
| Pali | https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror | 20:11 |
| Pali | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ maemo4.1.2/sdk free non-free | 20:12 |
| Pali | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ maemo4.1.2/tools free non-free | 20:12 |
| Pali | KotCzarny ^^^ | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | pali, thx, but i just realized that repo is for sdk (ie. scratchbox) | 20:13 |
| Pali | yes it is sdk & tools repo | 20:13 |
| Pali | all repos are on apt-mirror page | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | pali: added to [[Repository]] page | 20:16 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, according to http://pinoutsguide.com/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_bl-4j_battery_pinout.shtml, bl-5j has a 100kOhm on bsi | 20:57 |
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| ShadowJK | Sounds approximately right, if I remember correctly | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | someone said 75 recently | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | not that it matters much | 21:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc it's more like 75k | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depending on temperature | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_BL-5J_battery | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I helped Pali to create a table temperature-vs-resistance once | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | another page claiming its 100k | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? is it relevant? | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | only if one builds own battery | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | i guess for direct dc input without battery both values would work | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 100.1k | 22:15 |
| Pali | yes, DocScrutinizer05 provided data for temperature table | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | says my KeySight | 22:16 |
| Pali | and then on internet I found exact formula for that | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a random battery labeled like it was a BL-5J | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | how much on bp-5l (if you have one) | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 100.0k on 2nd BL-5J99.9k on 3rd. And sorry what Pali and I did was temperature sensor iin N900, not BSI | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, i wonder if bme could invalidate capacity for big capacity in l29ah case because of mismatching bsi coded one | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BP-5L? nope. BP-4L I got | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | bp-5l was in 770 and n800 | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | (also e61/e62/n92) | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | and 9500 | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BP-4L: 120,2k | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (N810) | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9789 | 22:24 |
| povbot | Bug 9789: Mugen battery: HAL not getting correct capacity and current states | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:24 |
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| KotCzarny | 2.4Ah in mugen is 105k | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BME isn't made to detect different batteries by BSI | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | read that bug report, it's quite interesting | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *is* capable to detect a so called "test battery", and possibly even a second breed maybe called debug | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: I'm absolutely sure I've already read every interesting maemo bug :-) | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9789#c4 | 22:31 |
| povbot | Bug 9789: Mugen battery: HAL not getting correct capacity and current states | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg | 22:31 |
| infobot | hmm... joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | i didnt get that far yet | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | reading few things at the same time | 22:31 |
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