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L29AhKotCzarny: lol mediabox sucks09:08
KotCzarnywhat's mediabox?09:09
L29Ahthe stock player09:09
princefakhanL29Ah: it does.09:09
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L29Ah measuring program09:10
princefakhanI installed it on my and I was disappointed.09:10
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KotCzarnydecoding on cpu is more power effective?09:10
princefakhanoh well. it also sucks battery.09:10
KotCzarnyalso, mind you, pygtk is very unoptimized09:11
L29Ahi wonder if one can sigstop it when screen is off09:11
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KotCzarnyi might add check for screen off and simply stop updating gui09:12
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KotCzarnydrathir: it doesnt matter which core is more loaded (cpu vs dsp) because it has to do similar work, and cpu decoding is quite effective nowadays09:34
KotCzarnybut right09:34
KotCzarnyL29Ah: mind pasting those results in oscp tmo thread?09:35
KotCzarnyalso, you might also test omp (open media player)09:36
KotCzarnywhich is usually recommended over stock media player09:36
KotCzarnyalso, is that mp3 constant bitrate?09:36
freemangordonKotCzarny: (CPU decoding) - no way cortex A8 is as efficient as C64x DSP in de/coding of audio-video, even when using NEON09:37
L29Ahi played it from the beginning every time tho09:37
freemangordonDSP has special instructions to deal with the most common tasks in HW09:38
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: then it must be gui drawing that does more work09:38
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freemangordonKotCzarny: I couldn't find the context in the backscroll, but anyway, offloading multimedia stuff to DSK is 1 - battery efficient, 2 - frees CPU to do the job it is meant for09:39
KotCzarnyalso, i wonder how much power would be saved bypassing pusleaudio09:39
freemangordonKotCzarny: depends09:39
KotCzarnythat's the link i'm commenting09:39
freemangordonPA uses more power when the output is on speakers because of the x-prot09:40
KotCzarnybut results are similar with headphones on too09:41
freemangordonit is not PA to balme, but the flawed HW design09:41
freemangordon100mW diff09:41
KotCzarnyie. stock player using 5-10% power more09:41
freemangordonwhich one is the stock player?09:42
freemangordonnever heard about it :D09:42
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freemangordonis that on n900?09:42
freemangordonstock player is called mediaplayer09:42
freemangordonbut it is gui only09:42
freemangordonthe real one is ... err... dammit09:43
KotCzarnydoes it have an option to play in background?09:43
freemangordonjust a second to remember09:43
KotCzarnyit doesnt use gst as a backend?09:43
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L29Ahhmm, i had mediabox preinstalled on my thing09:43
freemangordonit uses gst09:43
freemangordonL29Ah: it is not in the FW09:43
* freemangordon feels stupid09:44
KotCzarnynew day, new knowledge09:44
freemangordonit is the so-called mafw framework09:44
KotCzarnyisnt mafw spawn of evil?09:44
freemangordondoesn't matter, this is what the stock player uses09:45
freemangordonalso, why evil?09:45
L29Ahokay i'll go measure mediaplayer09:45
L29Ahcan't find how to make it play a file09:45
KotCzarnyi remember some people having issues with mafw being hard to use09:45
freemangordonL29Ah: make sure tracker has settled down before you start measuring09:45
KotCzarnytracker starts everytime you open stockplayer?09:46
L29Ahdamn can i do this at all?09:46
freemangordonif there is new stuff to be indexed09:46
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: but it has to start to check if there is new stuff, right?09:47
freemangordonL29Ah: just open mediaplayer and select a song to be played :)09:47
KotCzarnymy question is, does it do it every time you open stockplayer?09:47
L29Ah> (no songs)09:47
L29Ahi killed the tracker thing and forgot how09:47
freemangordonthis is the first time you start it?09:47
L29Ahnot as in "kill(1)"09:48
freemangordonmafw uses tracker db to feed mediaplayer09:48
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freemangordonL29Ah: you should find a way to revive it :)09:48
L29Ahi remember there was some gui to configure it09:49
freemangordontracker cfg :)09:49
KotCzarnyi disabled tracker on mine too09:49
KotCzarnybecause i hate stock player09:49
freemangordonthat is not a reason :P09:50
L29Ahi killed it because it was thrashing on my gentoo chroot09:50
KotCzarnyand because i have a gui to play audio/video without it09:50
freemangordontracker dose more stuff than audio/video09:50
freemangordonway more09:50
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: i dont need it, no app i use needs it09:50
freemangordonI assume you don't really use your n900 for anything but a toy09:51
KotCzarnyi hate all those trackers/indexers09:51
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: i use it for sporadical internet browsing, a/v player, phone09:51
freemangordonyour daily device?09:51
KotCzarnyand sometimes shell work09:51
KotCzarnyyes, its my main phone09:51
KotCzarnysince 200909:52
freemangordonso, you don;t use e-mail, do not take shots?09:52
KotCzarnyah, right, camera too09:52
KotCzarnybut no email/social stuff09:52
KotCzarnyfor social i use ssh/irc09:52
freemangordonso, aiui you use ~10 percent of what it is capable09:52
KotCzarnynope, some gaming too09:53
freemangordonbut for 100% usage tracker is a must09:53
freemangordonI mean producing, not consuming :)09:53
KotCzarnyyou still didnt say what needs it09:53
freemangordonemail search09:53
freemangordonimage gallery09:53
KotCzarnyi use web based email09:53
KotCzarnyfor image gallery i use my own app09:54
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freemangordonyes, there are more iirc, but need to dig deeper to find what else09:54
KotCzarnyalso, constant tracking/indexing is evil on mobile app, it should be done when actual needs arise09:54
freemangordonwho said it does constant indexing?09:54
KotCzarnyif you need to dig more, then its not that essential09:55
KotCzarnyconstant as in 'you start an app, tracker starts'09:55
freemangordonit is not how it works09:55
freemangordonI warned L29Ah because I was almost sure it will be the first time he'll use MP09:55
L29Ah415mW on mediaplayer on speakers09:55
freemangordonhe? she?09:55
L29Ahwho cares?09:56
freemangordonso, after all stock MP is not that bad :)09:56
KotCzarnyL29Ah: now with headphones09:56
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: yeah, but its usability is flawed09:56
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KotCzarnyi hate media libraries, i organize things by directory/file name09:57
freemangordondepend on your use cases09:57
KotCzarnyie. most general genre/detailed genre/artists/albums/tracks09:57
freemangordonKotCzarny: so, what stops you from having file manager opened?09:57
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: i use mc09:57
KotCzarnyas file manager09:58
KotCzarnyso i dont need trackerd09:58
L29Ahbumped the wiki09:58
freemangordontell mc to open MP when you press enter on a media file09:58
KotCzarnyi use mplayer for enter commands09:58
freemangordonit is your device :)09:58
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freemangordonL29Ah: what FW is that?09:59
freemangordonstock? CSSU? CSSU-thumb?09:59
KotCzarnyyes, i know, but i like to have choice, and not have things shuffled by force because 'its needed by ..'09:59
L29Ahmediaplayer seems to stop the gui when the screen is off09:59
L29Ahfreemangordon: dunno09:59
freemangordonoh, come on09:59
L29Ahnon-thumb i guess09:59
freemangordoncheck in control panel09:59
freemangordonL29Ah: also, which kernel10:00
L29Ahw/ power kernel10:00
freemangordonkernel profile that is10:00
L29Ahdunno what's kernel profile10:01
freemangordondo you have kernel-power-settings installed?10:01
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infobotrumour has it, power-kernel is
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L29Ahi remember hitting `kernel-load` on some customized file10:02
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freemangordonhmm, kernel-load is ages old10:02
freemangordonwhich KP version is that?10:02
freemangordon900 MHz10:03
L29Ahsome wiki page said smartreflex thing doesn't work on bigger freqs10:03
L29Ahso i didn't try them10:03
L29Ahwhy "uh"?10:03
* freemangordon says it doesn't work for anything > 80510:04
freemangordon900 is too much10:04
L29Ahlol then smartreflex sucks and doesn't matter as consumption at 900 = consumption at 250 / 250 * 90010:04
freemangordondoesn't work == not reliable :)10:05
L29Ahi'm yet to see it crashing10:05
freemangordonyes, because your DSP is downclocked10:05
freemangordonor rather not OC enough10:05
KotCzarnySince Kernel Power 50 (KP50), despite some disagreements amongst some of the more senior Maemo developers, SmartReflex can now be considered stable up 900MHz with stock DSP frequencies and up to 600Mhz for overclocked DSP10:05
KotCzarnywiki need to be updated then10:05
KotCzarny    I know I just said SR is stable up to 900MHz however some users have reported that on their devices SR is only stable up to lower frequencies (720-805MHz for example). For more examples on tuning SR see the KP50 article.10:06
* L29Ah hugs his brick10:06
freemangordonyou could check who made the latest SR related patches, no need for a wiki ;)10:07
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freemangordon900 is not even considered in kernel10:08
freemangordonit uses the voltage for 805, iirc10:08
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freemangordonso, L29Ah has a very stable device10:09
freemangordonbut that stability could be because of the usage pattern as well10:09
L29Ahi was compiling gentoo for hours at 900MHz10:10
freemangordonoh, and battery usage on 900 max as about 1.5 times more than on 805 and about 2 times more than on 500. iirc, there were some graphics on TMO made by vi10:11
L29Ahsounds bullshitty10:11
L29Ahlemme check 80510:11
freemangordonL29Ah: load "dsp" profile10:12
freemangordonkernel-config load dsp10:12
freemangordonbecause this is the profile KP53 is supposed to work woth for 250-805 range10:13
freemangordonit should "just work"10:13
L29Ahi go mess w/ scaling_max_freq and run some infinite loops10:13
freemangordonmost of the times, unless you;re unlucky and your DSP doesn;t tolerate SR10:13
KotCzarnyinfinite loop will only check cpu10:13
KotCzarnyand not dsp10:14
L29Ahwho cares about dsp?10:14
freemangordonand all the others who play videos on n90010:14
KotCzarnyyeah, videos are the only reason to care10:14
L29Ahit failed to play my 720p porn and i'm too lazy to install hacks from tmo10:14
freemangordoncome on10:15
L29Ah1064mW at 900MHz10:15
freemangordonyou locked it @90010:15
KotCzarnyinfinite loop should lock it at max10:15
L29Ah903mW at 805MHz10:17
L29Ahfreemangordon ← he sucks10:17
freemangordonL29Ah: this is not how you measure n900 power consumption10:18
freemangordona real usage pattern never puts CPU @max constantly10:19
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KotCzarnyL29Ah: check the 600mhz too10:19
freemangordonno, 50010:19
KotCzarnyisnt 600 the stock one?10:19
freemangordonit is not linear10:19
freemangordonit is10:20
L29Ahfreemangordon: yeah i need to hack in some intermittent load simulator10:20
L29Ahalmost linear anyway10:20
freemangordonno, it is not10:20
freemangordonthe "sweet spot" is 50010:20
L29Ahλ> 1064 / 90010:20
L29Ahλ> 903/80510:20
L29Ahλ> 278/25010:20
freemangordonperformance/vs mA10:20
L29Ah805 looks quite sweet10:20
KotCzarnymight be some additional things kicking in10:21
freemangordonL29Ah: your math misses he time needed to finish the job10:21
freemangordonanyway /me has to run to the office10:22
L29Ahhow so? T_T10:23
KotCzarnybecause if your compile needs 600s at 900mhz or 900s at 600mhz10:24
KotCzarnyso it uses more power at 900, so you would ave to count mW used10:25
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L29Ahthat's why i divided by frequency10:25
L29Ahleaving the time away and counting milliwatts per megahertz or nanojoules per clock cycle10:26
KotCzarnythat's assuming mhz relates directly to time10:27
freemangordonthis is too synthetic, what you really need is the energy needed to finish a job J10:27
L29Ahyeah sweet10:27
freemangordonL29Ah: oh, so it is > 2x10:28
L29Ah500 is more efficient than 25010:28
freemangordonyes, it is10:28
L29Ahfreemangordon: so you suck10:28
freemangordonwhy is that?10:28
L29Ah1.048 * 2 ≠ 1.182222222222222310:28
freemangordonno, it is your math that suck10:28
L29Ahif we are to measure power consumption per equal jobs10:29
L29Ahhow so?10:29
freemangordonI still don;t see the time in your equations10:29
L29Ahyou suck10:29
freemangordonyeah. right10:29
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L29AhKotCzarny: explain him plz :310:29
KotCzarnyfew lines above10:29
KotCzarnythat's assuming mhz relates directly to time10:30
KotCzarnyand he says it doesnt10:30
KotCzarnyand you says it does10:30
L29Ahyeah i suck10:30
L29Ahif we're adding i/o10:30
KotCzarnybut if cpu is waiting idle, it should downclock, thats why real test for doing clean+compile would tell real number10:32
KotCzarnybetter yet 2 or 3 times10:32
L29Ahcompiling is a bad performance criteria for n900 uses10:33
L29Ahmaybe an hour of oscp playback will do10:33
KotCzarnybut its the usecase most interesting to you10:33
L29Ahnot really10:33
L29Ahi'm not going to compile much off grid10:33
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KotCzarnyyou might use oscp core and gstreamer as a usecase10:34
KotCzarny(both callable via ssh)10:38
KotCzarnyoh, and could you test ncurses mode for oscp?10:39
KotCzarnyshould be close to gui-off, but im curious10:39
L29Ahnah i ran out of fuel, go measure yourself ;p10:40
KotCzarnyi wrote it :P10:42
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keriowhat's the best way to launch ssh-agent?11:32
KotCzarnymaybe .profile11:33
KotCzarnythough i dont know if n900's shell reads that file11:33
kerioit does, but every new terminal window is a login shell11:33
KotCzarnyahm, no, looking at my files it worked different11:34
KotCzarnyi have ~/.sa containing:11:35
KotCzarnySSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-ilYYun2285/agent.2285; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK;11:35
KotCzarnySSH_AGENT_PID=2286; export SSH_AGENT_PID;11:35
KotCzarnyecho Agent pid 2286;11:35
kerioand it's sourced by .profile?11:35
KotCzarnyand in .profile: . /home/ariel/.sa11:35
kerioyeah but what launches ssh-agent?11:35
KotCzarnycant find a trace11:35
KotCzarnymight be hand launched11:35
keriobecause if you're launching it manually, might as well have a static SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/home/user/.ssh/agent11:35
kerioand launch `ssh-agent -a .ssh/agent` manually11:36
KotCzarnyim using hibernation so it was running all the time11:36
keriodat feel when os x's ssh setup is the best11:36
KotCzarnybut as above, you can add some if/else magic11:36
KotCzarnydat feel, when you start to be baffled by f*ckton of weirs osx directories11:37
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zGrrmoin :)11:40
zGrrKotCzarny:  'bry :)11:40
KotCzarnyelo ;)11:40
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L29Ahi don't understand ppl who use ssh-agent11:49
KotCzarnyits useful if you use passphrase but dont want it enter more than once per session11:50
L29Ahuse session sharing ffs11:50
bencohit's different11:50
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L29Ahalso pubkeys ftw11:50
L29Ahbencoh: yeah i know11:50
KotCzarnyfrom nokia smlv3 'this product is of superior design and craftmanship and should be treated with care'11:50
kerioL29Ah: what11:50
keriowtf is session sharing11:50
bencohKotCzarny: how cute :)11:50
bencohkerio: man ssh, /master11:50
keriothat's a different thing11:51
kerioand it's pretty damn awkward if your connection isn't really reliable11:51
* L29Ah drops his pubkey the first time he ssh'es to a machine11:51
KotCzarnythere were some tcp/ip tweaks for ssh over flaky connections11:51
KotCzarnyl29ah: passphrase11:51
keriobesides, the ssh version on fremantle doesn't really have the fancy stuff that make connection muxing bearable11:52
KotCzarnywith sshagent you enter passphrase only once11:52
keriolike controlpersist11:52
kerioalso, agent forwarding only works if you're using an actual agent11:53
L29Ahwow ControlPersist11:53
KotCzarnynew day, new knowledge11:53
KotCzarnyand to think it was all the time in the man page!11:53
bencohnot all the time I guess11:54
kerioL29Ah: if you're doing things right, your private key takes *seconds* to be decrypted11:54
kerioon a real computer11:54
L29Ahi've read the man some years ago but no11:54
keriossh on n900 is 5.111:54
L29Ahkerio: huh?11:54
KotCzarnyhe got n900 only recently11:54
kerionew-format keys allow for multiple rounds of bcrypt11:55
L29Ahi have unencrypted private keys lying in an encfs, reads instantly11:55
keriodear lord .-.11:55
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KotCzarnyn900 allows for intermittent operation from -40C to +85C11:59
KotCzarnywithout the damage, but without guarantee to work12:00
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KotCzarnysomeone asked for schematics:
KotCzarnyi think many things about n900 could be added to wiki12:09
KotCzarny for example12:09
KotCzarnyand added as in copied, as the page could go missing12:10
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KotCzarnyalso, i wonder what is the legal status of the service manuals12:12
KotCzarnysince n900 is abandoned12:12
L29Ahmicrosoft will sue and see you in hell12:13
bencohnothing is "abandoned" from the legal view12:13
L29Ah nice collection12:15
* L29Ah found schematics for his thinkpads12:15
bencohthe plan9 port for n900 neither really started :)12:16
L29Ahit'd take some dev-years to do :/12:16
bencohprobably not that much, if plan9 runs on some arm board12:17
bencohI think it does12:17
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L29Ahi wonder how hard it'd be to make highpass in dsp12:21
KotCzarnyi guess you could find code examples12:22
KotCzarnyand implement it to maemo12:23
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KotCzarnyi wonder.12:25
L29Ahah i guess nevermind as one won't play music thru speakers anyway12:25
bencohsome do12:26
zGrrL29Ah:  what is wrong with using ssh-agent?12:27
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KotCzarnyl29ah, i guess you could try using gstreamer as an highpass filter12:28
L29AhzGrr: nothing12:28
KotCzarnyi wonder if i should use gst+alsa instead of pa12:29
KotCzarnyand what would be the outcome12:29
L29Ahokay there are speakers on ebay12:30
L29Ahneed to make the phone work thru alsa tho12:30
KotCzarnyl29ah: try setting ~/.aoconfig12:31
L29Ahi don't have such file12:31
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KotCzarnylet me check12:32
L29Ahoh it uses libao? nice12:32
KotCzarnyecho default_driver=alsa >~/.libao12:32
KotCzarnybut i dont remember if n900's libao has alsa backend compiled in12:33
KotCzarnyyeah, no alsa backend12:34
KotCzarnyonly pulse12:34
KotCzarnymaybe i should recompile pa and just share the .so12:35
KotCzarnyalso, remember it will block the audio device12:35
L29Ahand some hook to get rid of dmix on calls12:36
L29Ahneeds exeprimenting12:36
KotCzarnyor redirect calls to alsa12:37
L29Ahokay, put it on my list after playing w/ modern kernel12:38
KotCzarnyl29ah: check that libao config, maybe alsa is built in12:38
L29Ahwhat config?12:39
KotCzarnyecho default_driver=alsa >~/.libao12:39
KotCzarnyand if oscp plays anything12:39
KotCzarnyif it doesnt just echo default_driver=pulse >~/.libao12:39
KotCzarnywhere is the source of ?12:40
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L29Ahit does but still uses pa12:41
Kabouik_Hi guys. I've got an issue with my N900, which suddenly refuses to boot. When I turn it on, I have the brief white Nokia splash, blue let stays on, and screen turns black (but on) for like 10 sec, and then everything is off. It does not reboot.12:41
Kabouik_Last time I used it was yesterday, it ran out of battery12:41
KotCzarnykabouik: battery dead12:41
Kabouik_I charged it using an external charger this morning, sounds weird12:42
KotCzarnydo not turn it on, let it charge till green12:42
L29Ahaha! /etc/asound.conf specifies pa output12:42
L29Ahi'll try killing it12:42
KotCzarnyi wonder if that would make phoneapp output to alsa directly12:42
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Kabouik_I'll try another battery tonight KotCzarny, but my external charger said the battery was full this morning12:43
KotCzarnykabouik: battery could be dead anyway, how old is it?12:43
Kabouik_And when I plug the N900 to my laptop here, it won't charge (no breathing led). The screen is turned on (very dim), and then it goes into reboot loop12:43
L29Ahstill PA :/12:44
Kabouik_Well it's old KotCzarny! But it did a few cycles the past week with no issues (I've not been using my N900 since a long time)12:44
KotCzarnyL29Ah: you can try my old oscp version that was compiled with alsa direclty12:44
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L29Ahwhat do i press?12:45
KotCzarnyi should look where i put it away12:45
KotCzarnyor just recompile it apparently12:46
Kabouik_Anyway I can force charge with just a usb cable? It just goes into reboot loop and I have no charging led, and no other batteries or external charger at work12:47
Kabouik_Any way*12:47
KotCzarnyKabouik_: remove battery, wait 5s, insert it, connect charger and wait (without turning on)12:47
Kabouik_I have Backupmenu installed, bit it complains about watchdog not found and then turns off (this N900 unit was bought used and I have not done a clean install, it seemed to be in a good shape software-side)12:48
KotCzarnyif it gets to pulsing yellow, good12:48
KotCzarnyand its good to have always reflash to factory image when getting used electronics12:48
KotCzarnywait ~30-60s12:48
Kabouik_I guess the battery needs a minimal charge level to initialize charge mode12:49
KotCzarnysomeone said failsafe charging kicks in after 30s12:49
Kabouik_Yes but it's already in reboot loop12:49
KotCzarnytry to reflash then, assuming you dont have anything important on it12:49
Kabouik_I'll try another battery tonight first, because I don't see what would have cause that. I've not installed anything yesterday, it just ran ouf of battery during a call12:50
Kabouik_I thought there might be a 'force charge' mode in Backupmenu, but not sure, and anyway I can't start Backupmenu because of this watchdog not found12:51
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L29Ahn900 makes funky sounds when it's low on battery12:57
KotCzarnydoes it?13:01
KotCzarnyl29ah: check if that one works
KotCzarnyrecompiled to use alsa13:02
L29Ah./oscp-n900-alsa --help13:07
L29Ah* Unrecognized option: --help13:07
L29Ah[daemonize enabled, disabling ncurses ui]13:07
L29Ahthis sucks13:07
KotCzarny-d 0 to enable ncursesz13:08
KotCzarnykillall oscp first tho13:08
L29Ahncurses crashes13:08
L29Ahi did13:08
KotCzarnycrashes as in segfault?13:09
L29Ahoscp-n900-alsa: simple.c:398: snd_mixer_selem_get_playback_volume: Assertion `elem' failed.13:09
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KotCzarnyoh well, /me goes to find his n90013:11
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KotCzarnyi remember having working alsa version, now it hangs during card selection13:51
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L29Ah sick stuff14:04
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L29Ah re 720p vidyas14:05
L29Ahoh it's freemangordon (:14:06
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L29Ahstock player doesn't stop on unplug ;[14:10
KotCzarnyl29ah: check open media player14:12
KotCzarnyit's stock player replacement14:12
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L29AhResolving failed: Name or service not known.14:15
KotCzarnynokia is no more, replace it with some mirror14:15
L29Ahi guess in need to repack those .deb's or smth14:15
infobotL29Ah meant: i guess I need to repack those .deb's or smth14:16
KotCzarnyno, you dont need to uninstall i think14:16
L29Ah i'm talking about these 1kb debs14:17
KotCzarnyfiles are attached14:18
KotCzarnyso why do you need nokia repos?14:18
L29Ahand they try to download some stuff when dpkg -i14:18
KotCzarnyahm, maybe they have some install scripts14:19
L29Ahnvm i've read the forum thread14:21
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* KotCzarny ran alsamixer14:29
KotCzarnyso much stuff14:29
bencohalsamixer on n900 ?14:29
KotCzarnysure, why not?14:29
KotCzarnyalsa is a backend for pulseaudio anyway14:29
bencohall I see is pulseaudio :)14:30
bencoh(alsa uses the PA backend by default here)14:30
KotCzarnyi disabled /etc/asound.conf beforehand14:31
KotCzarnyand kernel knows nothing about pulseaudio14:32
KotCzarnybut alsa is working14:32
KotCzarnyso you see alsa going to pulseaudio which goes to barebones alsa14:32
L29Ahwhoa adc hpf14:33
bencohI know this is madness14:33
L29Ahwhy we need pa when hpf is done by the audio codec? :314:34
KotCzarnymaybe its broken14:34
bencohsee xprotect14:34
bencohand the few related PA modules14:34
KotCzarnywhat's a xprotect?14:34
KotCzarnygoogle is unhelpful14:35
bencohhmm, maybe it's not "xprotect"14:35
KotCzarnyi found this one14:36
KotCzarnybut for headphones only using direct alsa is something to consider14:38
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L29Ahi'd love to see any reports of actual damage14:39
L29Ahas i'm going to run plain alsa14:39
KotCzarnybe the first to check it14:39
L29Ahi think i'm not first14:39
L29Ahconsidering ppl running their debians on n90014:39
bencohwhat I'd like to know is whether you get a noticeable quality difference14:40
KotCzarnybut they go through emulated alsa14:40
KotCzarnywhich goes to pa14:40
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KotCzarnybecause they dont run full debian but chrooted one14:40
L29Ahthere's no emulated alsa if they're chrooted or boot debian instead of maemo14:40
KotCzarnybencoh: you get back 30% of cpu14:40
KotCzarnyfor starters14:40
L29Ahas the emulation goes thru alsalib14:40
KotCzarnyie 100-150mA power back14:41
bencoherr, if you have some high-quality audio sample (and can actually hear the difference between highquality and garbage music)14:41
L29AhmW i'd say14:41
KotCzarnyL29Ah: most install prepared debian chroot, which might /etc/asound.conf predefined to use pa14:41
KotCzarnyL29Ah: im talking about your results14:41
KotCzarnyah, right14:42
KotCzarnymy bad14:42
L29Ahgetting used switching fingertips to fingernails going from android phone to n90014:43
L29Ahwhoa 230mW on openmediaplayer on headphones14:46
keriofingertip works well enough14:47
KotCzarnyremember you played with power profiles14:47
KotCzarnyset it back to 900 to have consistent results14:48
keriodear lord14:48
keriowhy do you need to overclock14:48
KotCzarnyor redo all tests14:48
L29Ahye i have it set at 900 max14:48
KotCzarnyand that also answers your earlier question if dsp is needed14:49
KotCzarnystill, 230 is close to 27314:49
bencohL29Ah: fingernails <314:49
bencoh(do use a screen protector though)14:49
KotCzarny+1 for screenprotector14:49
bencohwhich reminds me ... I cant find any in EU on amazon14:50
bencohout of stock afaict :(14:50
KotCzarnybuy cheapest one and use advanced tool called scissors14:50
KotCzarnyor sharp knife14:50
L29Ahi'd use a transparent household tape14:50
KotCzarnytape would need glue residues14:50
infobotKotCzarny meant: tape would leave glue residues14:51
L29Ahi have isopropanol to get rid of them14:51
bencohwell, modern phone screens are allegedly wider, but ...14:51
L29Ahtho it might not cover all the display :[14:51
L29Ahswitched to 500MHz max, got 22914:52
KotCzarnyl29ah: check oscp too14:52
KotCzarnywith lower freq14:52
KotCzarnythough i think it doesnt bump the freq over 250 on mp3s14:52
KotCzarnyso max doesnt matter14:52
KotCzarnyi remember on n800 using dsp ALWAYS bumped cpu to the max14:53
KotCzarnydont know about n90014:53
KotCzarnyas for not covering whole display, you mean 'faceplate' because display is standard 4"14:54
L29Ahi don't remember the tape size and i'm in a forest atm14:54
KotCzarnyhehe, more than earlier 273?14:55
KotCzarnywhich was at 90014:55
bencohL29Ah: get away from irc and try and speak to the forest animals, then ... you're being rude to them ;p14:55
L29Ahdoesn't seem to bump freq at all14:55
L29Ahand i have 250 at the lower end because ppl say phone stops working @12514:56
L29Ahbencoh: they troll me14:56
bencoh125mhz isn't a good idea14:56
bencohI'm sure they dont like systemd14:56
bencohphone doesnt stop at 125mhz, but it's freaking slow until it jumps at max (with ondemand)14:56
L29Ahso should i put 125 as a min freq?14:57
bencohdefinitely no14:57
L29Ahfor ondemand14:57
bencohbecase you'd stay at max most of the time14:57
KotCzarnyno intermediate freqs?14:58
L29Ahi don't get it14:58
bencohand it would still feel slow when changing app if you were just reading (for instance)14:58
bencohKotCzarny: not with ondemand, no14:58
bencohnot that I know of14:58
L29Ahokay i just set it and see myself :314:59
KotCzarnyl29ah: it would jump between 125 and 80014:59
KotCzarnyand if 125 be too slow it would stay at 800 most of the time14:59
L29Ahsomehow it doesn't go lower ;[15:00
L29AhKotCzarny: no15:00
L29Ahfire powertop and check out freq stats15:00
KotCzarnyjust cat /sys/something/curspeed15:00
L29AhNokia-N900:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq# cat scaling_cur_freq15:00
L29AhNokia-N900:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq# cat scaling_min_freq15:00
L29Ahwtf it won't lower15:00
bencohuname -a ?15:00
bencohhmm iirc there's something preventing it from running at 125 in some case but I forgot which15:01
KotCzarnyand available freqs?15:01
L29Ah1150000 1100000 1000000 950000 900000 850000 805000 720000 600000 550000 500000 250000 12500015:01
bencohL29Ah: have you changed the ondemand/ attributes ?15:03
L29Ahondemand/avoid_frequencies aha15:04
L29Ahpowertop says shit ;[15:06
L29Ahkernel's too old i guess15:06
L29Ahmusic skips in oscp sometimes15:07
KotCzarnyat 125?15:08
KotCzarnycould be too much with pa15:08
KotCzarnyhacking at pure alsa15:08
bencohor it keeps jumping back and forth15:08
bencohfrom min to max15:09
L29Ahye top says cpu is 70% loaded15:09
KotCzarnycould be interrupt starving too15:09
KotCzarnyao_alsa WARNING: Unable to open surround playback.  Trying default device...15:10
KotCzarnythe heck?15:10
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L29Ahno 5.1 sound for u15:11
KotCzarnyi remember my 200mhz vortex86 machine skipped on some loads with 100hz kernel15:12
KotCzarnybumping to 300 fixed it15:12
L29Ahopenmediaplayer is 232mW and doesn't skip15:12
bencohdecoding happens in dsp15:13
L29Ah :315:14
L29Ahwhoa 45mW idling @125MHz15:15
L29Ahi'm buying it15:15
bencohidling ... screen off and locked ?15:15
bencohit shouldnt have any influence on it, unless you have some app periodically waking up the cpu15:16
bencoh(or widgets)15:16
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L29Ahi have no widgets15:16
L29Ahbut i have ssh over wifi15:16
bencohoh, okay :)15:16
bencohtry without it15:17
KotCzarnybattery eye shows lowest usage at 8.6mA15:23
KotCzarnywith 3.7V its ~31.8mW15:24
KotCzarnyim too stupid to create working asound.conf15:30
L29Ahempty one should work15:32
KotCzarnyyeah, works, but no sound15:33
L29Ahdid you kill pa?15:35
KotCzarnygood catch15:36
KotCzarnythough it would say device busy15:36
L29Ahgentoo page says alsa works out of the box15:36
KotCzarnymight be some mixer setting then15:36
bencohKotCzarny: isnt alsa supposed to be able to mix between multiple sources ?15:36
bencohwhy should you get "device busy" ?15:36
KotCzarnybencoh: if you enable software mixing15:36
bencohoh, true15:37
KotCzarnyotherwise n900 offers only 1 playback stream15:37
KotCzarnynormal cards that do hw mixing offer multiple playback streams15:37
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KotCzarnyaplay doesnt work neither15:42
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KotCzarnyTry `aplay --help' for more information.15:42
L29Ah my amixer state15:43
L29Ahhm, wait15:43
L29Ah-bash: diff: command not found15:43
L29Ah‰ diff a b15:44
L29Ah<   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] [on]15:44
L29Ah<   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] [on]15:44
L29Ah>   Front Left: Playback 117 [99%] [0.50dB] [on]15:44
L29Ah>   Front Right: Playback 117 [99%] [0.50dB] [on]15:44
L29Ahon speakers15:44
L29Ahgets enabled when you run sound playing thing15:44
KotCzarnyright, wonder i dont see it in alsamixer15:45
L29Ah on headphones15:45
KotCzarnywhich one it is?15:46
KotCzarnyplease diff -u315:46
KotCzarnyor even -u615:46
L29Ahsecond paste didn't help"15:46
L29Ahit's against silence15:46
KotCzarnycontext cut a bit15:47
L29Ah u10015:47
KotCzarnymuch better15:47
KotCzarnyok, i have sound now, even if i didnt change anything15:49
KotCzarnyargh, wrong binary15:50
L29Ahdid it run pa?15:50
KotCzarnyyeah, through pa15:50
L29Ahkill the damn thing15:50
KotCzarnyreupped alsa enabled oscp15:50
L29Ahit must be messing w/ mixer15:50
KotCzarnyhow do i stop it?15:51
L29Ahbtw you can save and load mixer states w/ alsactl15:52
KotCzarnyit gets restarted15:52
L29Ahhmm, it's owned by init15:53
L29Ahmv it :315:53
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KotCzarnyand risk infinite loop?15:55
L29Ahye why not?15:56
KotCzarnymight be hardcoded into some binary15:56
KotCzarnyi just hope it wont enter reboot loop after i disabled it15:56
bencohKotCzarny: with "stop"15:57
bencoh(upstart stuff)15:57
KotCzarnybencoh magic word/path?15:58
bencohsto<tab> ;)15:58
KotCzarnyyou mean stop pulseaudio ?15:58
bencohfind /etc/event* -name "*pulse*" to make sure ;)15:58
KotCzarnyanyway, stopped with moving binary15:58
bencohthat's crude15:58
L29Ahno cpu hogs in top?15:59
KotCzarnyapparently not15:59
KotCzarnybut most likely if someone calls me it would fail16:00
KotCzarnywill reboot after testing16:00
L29Ahjust re`start` it16:01
KotCzarnyinterestingly headphone control maxes out at 100 (-5.40dB)16:05
KotCzarnyswitching Left DAC Mux produced sound16:06
L29Ahhmm, i've an idea16:08
* L29Ah refreshes his asound.conf syntax knowledge16:08
L29Ahpcm.!default {16:09
L29Ahtype plug16:09
L29Ahslave.pcm "hw:0,1"16:09
L29Ahtry this16:09
KotCzarnywhat does plug mean?16:09
L29Ahmeans it just redirects stuff16:09
L29Ahto a slave16:09
L29Ahthat is an existing alsa device16:09
KotCzarnyanyway, grab oscp-n900-alsa and test the power pls16:10
KotCzarnyim curious of the outcome16:10
L29Ahdid you get playback?16:10
KotCzarnyafter switching Left DAC Mux16:10
KotCzarnyplug resulted in same behavior16:11
KotCzarnybeautiful, 8.7% cpu usage16:12
KotCzarnyand no PA16:12
KotCzarnyand cpu is at 250mhz16:12
KotCzarnyLeft DAC Mux needs to be set to DAC_L2 to produce a sound (same for right)16:13
KotCzarnyalso, remember not to play any loud clips16:13
KotCzarnyas d-class amp might produce freqs that break your poor speakers16:13
L29Ahsame assertion thing16:14
KotCzarnywhats your ~/.libao and /etc/asound.conf ?16:14
L29Ahall commented out16:15
KotCzarnymaybe ~/.asoundrc ?16:15
L29Ahno such thing16:16
KotCzarnyalso, you dont need to kill pulseaudio, as long system is not playing anything audio device is free16:26
KotCzarnyare you sure your /etc/asound.conf is all commented out?16:27
L29Ahye, and tried mving it, didn't change anything16:27
KotCzarnykillall oscp ?16:28
L29Ahand no oscp-related stuff in `ps aux16:29
KotCzarnyi remember that playing with alsa on n900 failed, then suddenly it started working16:29
L29Ahi run it as `TERM=xterm ./oscp-n900-alsa -d 0`16:29
L29Ahare you sure you've uploaded a fresh thing?16:30
L29Ahmd5sum oscp-n900-alsa16:30
L29Ahd582f677a5daab728b74acc02a689566  oscp-n900-alsa16:30
KotCzarny-rwxrwxr-x    1 1003     102       5290591 May 13 12:30 /opt/oscp/oscp16:30
KotCzarnyd582f677a5daab728b74acc02a689566  /opt/oscp/oscp16:30
KotCzarnyah, right16:30
KotCzarnyenable softvol16:30
KotCzarny-v 1 -V 9016:31
L29Ahokay it works16:33
L29Ahheadphones, max vol, 399mW16:34
L29Ahw8, it seems pa's max volume ≠ alsa max volume16:35
L29Ahi'll go cmp16:36
KotCzarnyscreen off?16:37
L29Ahwtf pa doesn't want to play anymore16:39
KotCzarnystop alsamixer and oscp16:39
KotCzarnyalso, change mixer values back16:39
KotCzarnyanyway, packaged oscp doesnt use libao on n900, uses libpulseaudio16:41
L29Ahit doesn't work at all, the progressbar doesn't move16:41
L29Ahfixed by restarting pa16:41
L29Ah444mW on pa16:43
L29Ahit seems like ncurses ui sucks16:43
KotCzarnybtw. you can run remote on pc and control core on n90016:43
KotCzarnyadded to todo to check why ncurses is so bad16:44
L29Ahretested w/ pulseaudio's mixer state: 341mW16:45
L29Ahmaybe somehow related to 44.1→48 conversion16:46
L29Ahon the other hand, it doesn't skip @125MHz16:47
KotCzarnyit shouldnt16:47
KotCzarnyit uses only ~10% of cpu at 25016:47
L29AhCPU: 28.0% usr  8.3% sys  0.0% nice 63.0% idle  0.0% io  0.0% irq  0.5% softirq16:47
L29Aheh, i suck16:49
L29Ah341mW is great16:49
L29Ahretesting w/ gui16:49
L29Ahor, better, w/o gui ran thru gui16:51
KotCzarnyyou can start core with -d 1 switch and control/reconnect from pc16:51
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KotCzarnyor run two cores on diff. ports and start/stop them when needed16:51
L29Ahalso i'm not sure dmix is not running16:55
L29Ahand oscp doesn't seem to like being run two times16:55
L29Ahaplay: main:608: audio open error: Device or resource busy16:56
L29Ahaha, no dmix16:56
KotCzarnyin stop state device should be freed16:56
KotCzarnythough im not 100% sure16:56
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L29Ahi must think out some multiplexing thing17:00
L29Ahto be able to wake myself with a phone call17:00
KotCzarnyinstall dmix?17:00
KotCzarnythen make pa use dmixed alsa?17:01
L29Ahtoo lazy to compile it myself17:02
L29Ahwill do this in gentoo ;]17:02
KotCzarnyglibc incompability17:02
KotCzarnyyou can try grabbing debian-armel one17:03
L29Ahi'll try grabbing ofono thing17:03
L29Ahanyway dunno if i get to do it at all, first i'll play w/ fresh kernel and find a sd card to experiment on17:03
bencohI think you just want to toss maemo away ;p17:05
L29Ahsure i want17:05
L29Ahbut it's too good17:05
bencohaww, poor us17:05
L29Ahso i do the mutually useful stuff first17:05
bencohI think mostly everyone here thought of it at some point, but ....17:05
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KotCzarnybencoh, maemo is nice, but has its annoyances17:17
bencohthe blobs17:17
KotCzarnythat too, but i talk about media library based player and trackerd17:17
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KotCzarnythat's what i hate personally17:17
KotCzarnyi shall make native xlib gui one day17:18
L29Ahmake it use the dsp first :]17:26
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KotCzarnythat needs recent gcc :/17:26
KotCzarny4.2 is too old and available 4.6 is unstable17:26
L29Ahi don't see no problem17:27
L29Ahtake 4.917:27
L29Ahit's stable17:27
bencohthere is 4.717:27
KotCzarnydoesnt compile with eglibc2.517:27
L29Ahgo gentoo17:27
KotCzarnybencoh, how do i install it in sb?17:27
bencohthere is a page for that in wiki17:27
bencohit's mostly about thumb, but you can use it without thumb iirc17:27
KotCzarnyand why broken 4.6 is in repos but not 4.7?17:27
bencohbecause from what I've heard, properly adding a compiler/toolchain to scratchbox is a pain17:28
KotCzarnyi wouldnt mind compiling it myself, but i've tried and it failed17:29
bencohand nobody cares about on-device compiling, at least for the people contributing to repos :)17:29
bencohso it wont go to extras/armel either17:29
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KotCzarnyno, sb uses repos17:29
KotCzarnyand that's what i care about17:29
KotCzarnythis one?17:30
KotCzarnythough it would only allow me to use neon asm for codecs17:31
KotCzarnystill, would be quite a big improvement17:31
bencohhm I think you need an up-to-date libgcc on device17:32
bencohKotCzarny: no17:32
L29Ahwhy don't you make use of gstreamer?17:32
KotCzarnyL29Ah: because not all codecs are supported17:32
KotCzarnyalso, not all file formats17:32
bencohit gives better asm/neon intrinsics/optims for C code17:32
KotCzarnyif you check what file formats supported by oscp17:32
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bencohbut intrisics are hardly efficient for audio/video codecs17:33
KotCzarnybencoh, i had to disable all neon asm in libav because 4.2 was too old17:33
KotCzarnyand arm asm too17:34
bencohwhat ?17:34
KotCzarnyso it's quite pure c routines17:34
KotCzarnyi have to pass --disable-asm to libav or it doesnt compile17:34
KotCzarnyso you know, if 4.7 works out, oscp will be quite a lot faster17:35
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bencohKotCzarny: which version of ffmpeg ? that's strange17:38
L29Ahwhy don't you make use of gstreamer?17:38
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bencohffmpeg-0.5 (from extras .... yeah, it's freaking old) is explicitely build with --enable-neon17:39
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KotCzarnybencoh: not ffmpeg, libav17:57
KotCzarnyffmpeg is a parasite living on libav17:57
KotCzarnyL29Ah: oscp -H17:57
KotCzarnythat's why17:57
bencohI strongly believe it is the other way around, and all this is FUD17:58
bencohbut I dont really want to feed this shitty troll17:58
KotCzarnythe core devs that actually worked on things split17:58
bencohI know the story17:58
KotCzarnyi'm convinced by libav side of the story tho17:58
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bencohI also know niedermayer is still working on ffmpeg, btw17:59
bencoh(among quite a few others)17:59
bencohanyway, enough said about that17:59
KotCzarnyyeah, anyway, gcc 4.2 is too old to compile recent ffmpeg/libav asm18:00
infobotnokia is, like, a cellphone company from Finland.18:00
bencohI'm quite surprised, but okay18:00
KotCzarnywhat was the magic word?18:00
bencohwhat for ?18:00
KotCzarnynokia repos mirror18:00
bencohI dont think there is one18:01
KotCzarnythere is at least 218:01
bencohI dont think there is a magic word*18:01
KotCzarnyand which nokia mirrors do you use?18:02
KotCzarnyl29ah: answer to fremantle1.3 not working:
bencohKotCzarny: muarf.org18:05
KotCzarnymind pasting the lines?18:06
bencohsee TMO :)18:06
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KotCzarnyshould i use mr0 and ssu too?18:09
KotCzarnyor just apps?18:09
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newbieAlerthey hi.. Suddenly i am not being able to visit tmo, it says my ip has been put in anti-spam list18:11
KotCzarnyi hate debian, bencoh, mind pasting the lines?18:14
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KotCzarnyE: Couldn't find package nokia-binaries18:24
KotCzarnyie. i cant use manager18:26
bencohyou dont need it18:27
KotCzarnyAccept Maemo5 SDK EULA and copy the URL. Add nokia-binaries repository URL to /etc/apt/sources.list18:27
KotCzarnyapparently i do18:27
KotCzarnyunless i don't18:27
bencohnokia-binaries is hosted on repository.maemo.org18:27
bencohyou dont need a nokia mirror :)18:27
KotCzarnymaybe, but it says it cant find it18:27
KotCzarnydeb fremantle/sdk free non-free18:28
KotCzarnydeb-src fremantle/sdk free18:28
KotCzarnydeb fremantle/tools free non-free18:28
KotCzarnydeb-src fremantle/tools free18:28
KotCzarnythat's what sb has18:28
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bencoh token code is written there18:29
KotCzarnywhat's token code?18:29
bencohadd deb fremantle/<token-code> nokia-binaries18:29
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KotCzarnycan i copy it from other sb target?18:30
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KotCzarnyk, worked18:32
KotCzarnyis that token identical for everyone?18:32
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KotCzarnyi wonder if i need cssu in sb18:36
bencohbut you will have troubles with gcc-4.718:37
KotCzarnywill i?18:37
bencohbecause of libgcc iirc18:37
bencohor something along that line18:37
KotCzarnyfirst i want to check if it compiles18:37
KotCzarnythen i would be hacking at libgcc18:37
KotCzarnyhrm, cssu uses same libc or something incompatible with stock libc?18:38
bencohask android_808 on TMO how he's managed to build ffmpeg 2.618:38
KotCzarnymost likely he used newer gcc18:39
KotCzarnyunless he is arm asm wizard18:39
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bencohlibc should be compatible between stock and cssu18:39
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KotCzarnylibc too old18:51
KotCzarnyegg and chicken18:51
KotCzarnyThe problem is connected to glibc-2.5, after upgrading to glibc-2.6 it went away. The bug is now fixed since gcc-4.3 was updated to depend on glibc-2.6.18:55
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KotCzarny-fgnu89-inline to the rescue!18:58
KotCzarnyw00t, it compiled19:00
KotCzarnyi wonder if i can compile newer gcc that way19:01
KotCzarnyi think the error was similar19:01
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KotCzarnyhmm, not much difference19:08
keriomh, what's the most recent debian that can be used with 2.6.28?19:11
kerioat some point there's got to be glibc incompatibilities19:11
KotCzarnyoh, lol, apparently my kernel is using 1150mhz19:12
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KotCzarnyor not19:16
KotCzarnyeven if its set as max, time_in_state shows that max used is 60019:17
KotCzarnyright, pmconfig sets max as 60019:18
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KotCzarnydo i need to reboot after changing pmconfig or there is some command ?19:22
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KotCzarnysmartreflex seriously lowered voltage19:34
bencohsmartreflex is cool19:34
KotCzarnywhat does sr_vdd1_dsp_boost do?19:35
KotCzarnynvm, found it19:35
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KotCzarny1 is at 23 and 2 at 3019:40
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KotCzarnyhmm, fremantle1.2, 401 auth required?19:53
bencohfor ovi, yes19:54
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keriowhat's muarf.org19:57
kerioand why does it use ssh-dss19:57
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KotCzarnyapp manager forces me to create backup on install of ssu updates20:15
KotCzarnyyet its not proceeding with updates20:15
L29Ahscrew app manager20:15
L29Ahuse fapman, the manly package mangler20:15
KotCzarnyfapman is a timebomb20:16
L29Ahhow so?20:16
infobotsomebody said fapman was Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam20:16
L29Ahsounds fun20:16
infobothamvsfam is, like,, or
KotCzarnydebian autoremove is evil20:16
L29Ahi guess i just go apt-get20:17
infobothmm... speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM
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KotCzarnyyeah, apt for me20:18
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L29Ahno speedyham in repos20:20
KotCzarnyyou need to go to cssu20:20
KotCzarnyie. upgrade to cssu version20:20
infoboti heard cssu is, or (Community Seamless Software Update)20:21
bencohin -testing20:22
KotCzarnywill it work on stock?20:23
L29Ahi have the community repos on but no speedyham20:24
sixwheeledbeastUse the link above?20:25
L29Ahi did20:25
L29Ahextras-testing enabled as well20:25
sixwheeledbeastnot extras-testing! CSSU-Testing20:25
L29Ahdeb fremantle free non-free20:25
L29Ahin my config20:25
KotCzarnyanyway, apt-get updated kernel-power, reboot, here i come!20:26
KotCzarnyalways nervous when firmware upgrading20:26
KotCzarnybooting longer than usual20:28
KotCzarny5 dots blinking, which boot stage is that?20:29
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L29Ahwiki for kernel-power doesn't specify neither patches that are on nor the source code ;[20:31
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KotCzarnydrat, its not booting20:33
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KotCzarnyok, where is flasher-3.5 for linux located?20:42
infobot[flasher] at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
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L29Ahwhy flasher, there's 0xFFFF20:46
KotCzarnyto boot it20:46
KotCzarnyright now it's stuck on 5dots20:46
L29AhKotCzarny ← likes to run trojans on his box20:47
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KotCzarnyrescueos booted20:51
KotCzarnywhat now, hrm20:51
L29AhControlPersist is evil20:54
L29Ahit takes a lot of time for ssh to learn the connection is dead20:55
L29Ahand i can't easily kill just the one i want killed20:55
KotCzarnyyou know ~. ssh kill sequence?20:55
KotCzarnyand there is a ssh option to ping server and disconnect on x failures20:56
L29Ahand it doesn't kill the master20:56
L29Ahyep and it sucks when i just suspend for a short time20:56
bencohsuspending shouldnt kill the tcp session21:00
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L29Ahyep but we're talking killing on keep-alive ping failure21:02
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KotCzarnyl29ah: but you want two contradicting features21:24
KotCzarnyone to detect broken session, second to keep alive even for long sleep durations21:25
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KotCzarnyalso, ping is client feature, not server one, so if you suspend, it should work still21:25
KotCzarnyanyway, any idea how to figure out why it's not booting?21:27
KotCzarnyas there is no syslog etc21:27
KotCzarnyi've updated kernel-power via apt-get then rebooted21:28
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SiceloKotCzarny: try boot the vanilla kernel via flasher21:32
KotCzarnyhow do i do that?21:32
Siceloum.. haven't played with flasher for over a year now.. but if you `flasher-3.5 -h` it should show you the argument .. -l i think21:33
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KotCzarnyyeah, but it still needs file on pc21:34
KotCzarnythought it can load something already on device21:34
Sicelodownload the vanilla kernel to pc? the deb is on the repos21:35
Sicelomaybe i don't understand what you're saying21:36
KotCzarnyand where is the initrd for stock kernel?21:41
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Sicelohmm, i was suggesting for you to attempt to boot Maemo with the stock kernel21:43
KotCzarnyyes, but stock kernel need initrd (afair)21:43
KotCzarnyok, gonna try21:43
KotCzarnystuck at 'nokia'21:44
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KotCzarnyand rebooted apparently21:45
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Sicelohmm .. maybe you no longer have 'stock' modules in your system. by the way, you got in this by just installing power kernel?21:46
KotCzarnyah, right wrong command line21:46
Siceloah, ok21:46
KotCzarnycan someone paste /proc/cmdline ?21:46
Siceloflasher takes care of that ..21:46
Siceloor are you booting some other OS?21:47
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L29Ahinit=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=621:48
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useranyone have a rough idea when n900 neo will be released22:05
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Sicelono one :)22:05
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sno__I bought two brand new n900's today22:06
sno__ready to install the boards :(22:06
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L29Ahnice "excess flood" flood22:06
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sno__are we talking months years?22:07
sno__decades??? :(22:07
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sno__I need a !@#% You NSA phone22:08
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KotCzarnyl29ah: thx, sicelo: it hung at nokia screen without cmdline and i had to take out the battery22:14
Sicelobrand new N900 can't exist, can they?22:15
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KotCzarnyshop stock22:15
* Sicelo would be very skeptical22:15
Siceloso it booted fine with cmdline?22:15
KotCzarnydont know yet22:15
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KotCzarnyas a sidenote, it doesnt even turn on without battery22:16
sno__sicelo its one from where i work we never sold it22:16
sno__and it was in storage all this time22:16
sno__want to see a picture?22:16
Sicelolol, of course it shouldn't turn on without battery22:16
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KotCzarnysomeone claimed it booted without battery, just turning off after bme start22:17
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Siceloi can only confirm it is possible to hotswap batteries22:18
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KotCzarnyhrm, still stuck at 5dots22:18
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KotCzarnymust be some rc breakage22:19
Sicelorc means?22:19
KotCzarnysystem startup scripts22:19
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Siceloenable fbcon22:20
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Sicelouse rescueos, mount maemo rootfs22:20
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KotCzarnythat's assuming you have framebuffer console compiled into kernel22:22
Sicelothere's a 2.6.28 with fb compiled ... may also be in repos ..22:22
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Siceloand all KP have that.. so can also just try with the KP you were installing22:23
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KotCzarnynow, how do i enable it?22:23
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Sicelolet me check on my N900 where i had it22:25
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Sicelolol, can't really find it now ;)22:30
Siceloin the meantime,
Sicelouseful stuff22:30
KotCzarnywhat i love about linux is it's verbosity, what i hate about all that cute-fluff is hiding info from users22:30
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L29Ahdmesg is obscene!22:31
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KotCzarnysure, as long you can get to shell22:31
SiceloOpen /sbin/preinit22:32
SiceloGo to the init_system() function.22:32
Siceloabove of the "}" insert: modprobe fbcon.22:32
Sicelothat's from Open /sbin/preinit22:32
SiceloGo to the init_system() function.22:32
Sicelothat's from ... rescueos guy22:32
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KotCzarnyenabled r&d, printed some info on nokia screen then went to 5dots22:33
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Sicelotry fbcon. if that don't help, then you're fuckt.. you'll have to guess where the problem could be22:34
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KotCzarnyi think i have to disable that 5dots animation too22:35
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Siceloi don't remember that it can be disabled easily.. might be wrong22:35
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KotCzarnygonna fix rescueos initrd a bit22:36
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KotCzarnybut that tomorrow22:36
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KotCzarnyone thing that's critically missing is tab key22:36
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L29Ahpoke me when you find out how to screw the dots thing :]22:37
KotCzarnywill do22:37
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Sicelotmo mentions it's easy, via /etc/init.d/fb-progress.sh22:38
Siceloi've never tried that myself22:38
sno__ my n90022:39
KotCzarnyfor fucks sake, how to exit vi?!22:40
KotCzarnyno escape key22:40
L29Ahi wonder what's the `act dead` feature for22:40
KotCzarnywithout esc key22:40
sno__KotCzarny, :!q22:40
KotCzarnyim in edit mode22:40
sno__first press escape22:40
sno__then try22:40
KotCzarny#maemo> without esc key22:40
sno__;h :(22:41
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KotCzarnyl29ah: no [ key on kb22:41
sno__paste in toe ascii control for escape22:41
KotCzarnyso cant press ctrl-[22:41
sno__in the*22:41
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L29Ahyou're screwed22:41
KotCzarnya bit22:41
Siceloact_dead is something to do with the state when the N900 is half-on.. when charging with the device switched off. as you know, the software must be 'up' to an extent22:42
L29Ah^C works in vim, try it22:42
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Siceloi could be confusing act_dead with some other state however22:42
L29Ahnah sounds adequate22:42
KotCzarnyok, shift-ctrl-, somehow exited edit mode22:43
KotCzarnynow how to save file and quit?22:43
Siceloquickest way, if you know you typed everything correction22:43
KotCzarny'ZZ' is not implemented22:43
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KotCzarnyit's like escaping from dungeon monster22:44
KotCzarnynow, to disable boot anim22:44
Sicelosno__: how much did it cost?22:45
sno__its from work I just too it since its unsellable22:45
sno__they're old phones not22:46
L29Ahunsellable? huh?22:46
sno__nobody wants to buy them here22:46
sno__its all about these nsa spy phones not22:46
sno__er iphone22:46
sno__not = now22:46
sno__we have a few of them lying around22:47
sno__I haven't even seen a working prototype for neo 900 so who knows how this will pan out22:47
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sno__I wish it to be true and that one comes out soon but I won't hold my breath22:48
KotCzarnyfricking 5dots22:49
KotCzarnydisabled them but still showing22:49
L29Ahdo you have extra k€?22:49
sno__I have access to about 8 of them and I can take them all for nothing22:50
sno__since we don't sell phones much anymore only repair them22:50
sno__we repair iphones22:50
L29Ahi mean neo900 thing22:50
sno__neo900 does it exist?22:51
sno__i want one22:51
sno__take my money22:51
bencohsno__: /j #neo900 :)22:51
bencohproject's still alive22:51
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bencohbut they havent released/delivered yet22:52
KotCzarnysicelo, got fb runnig, but how do i safely disable that boot anim?22:53
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bencohwhich one ?22:55
bencohthe video "handshake" ?22:55
KotCzarnyi have disable handshake long time ago22:55
KotCzarnyr&d says 'no initrd \o/'22:57
KotCzarnybacking up 28GB will be pita22:59
Sicelowhy would you back that up? you can flash rootfs alone iirc23:00
sixwheeledbeastI don't believe you can remove 5 dots, I have never heard of anyone being able to do so of the people that ask.23:00
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KotCzarnythose 5dots are overriding fbconsole23:01
Siceloyeah .. that's why i eventually disabled fbcon anyway :)23:01
KotCzarnysicelo, but rootfs mounts ok in rescueos23:01
Siceloif you're careful, play with that /etc/init.d/ for the 5 dots business, although it might not be much help itself23:02
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KotCzarnypretty interesting23:06
infobotsee boot-process23:07
bencohinfobot: thx, that was ... yeah, really useful23:07
sixwheeledbeast~listkeys #maemo boot23:07
infobotFactoid search of '#maemo boot' by key (2): #maemo boot-process ;; #maemo bootloop.23:07
infobotsomebody said test was not funny23:08
infobotsee boot-process23:08
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.23:08
bencohlooks like we've got a pointer dereference loop ;p23:09
sixwheeledbeastno, boot-process is
sixwheeledbeastinfobot: no, boot-process is
infobotokay, sixwheeledbeast23:09
infobotsee boot-process23:09
* infobot thinks sixwheeledbeast should be slapped23:09
bencohinfobot: meh23:09
infobotmeh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase23:09
infobotsee boot-process23:09
bencohsrsly :D23:09
sixwheeledbeastinfobot: no, #maemo boot-process is
infobotsixwheeledbeast: okay23:10
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infobotfrom memory, boot-process is
bencohDoc<tab><tab><grrr>: knock some sense into your child bot23:10
sixwheeledbeastchannel issue23:10
KotCzarnyswb: tyvm23:11
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KotCzarnybut sleepy time for me, gotta fight tomorrow23:11
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sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: np23:11
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KotCzarnyMatchbox is started to display the 5 dots23:16
bencohwhich means you're already in X1123:16
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KotCzarnyyes, that's why i need to debug why it's not booting23:16
KotCzarnyanyway, sleepy time23:16
bencohI wonder why fmrx is started in ACTDEAD23:16
bencohn900 cant act as a radio alarm clock ... right ? :]23:17
bencohI mean, not if it's off (?)23:17
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freemangordonKotCzarny: (exit vi) :q!23:39
bencohfreemangordon: the issue was (howto) esc in fbcon (rescueOS I guess)23:39
bencoh(with no esc key)23:40
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freemangordonbencoh: BTW...23:46
freemangordonlook at the last 6-7 commits here
freemangordonthen tell me again how bad Qt is :)23:46
freemangordonif you still feel like :P23:47
freemangordonno, it is not the car, but the device behind the wheel :)23:47
bencohI still dont like the wheel ;)23:49
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bencohbut ... yeah it's much better :)23:50
freemangordonI meant the steering wheel, if it was not clear23:55
bencohit was (clear)23:55
freemangordonanyway, I still prefer Qt over GTK. mind you, I prefer C over C++ :). But I guess it is a matter of preference.23:56
bencohthe part I dont like about Qt mostly related to C++ to be honest23:58
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freemangordonbencoh: well, C++ is not *that* bad23:59
freemangordonnot to say it is waaay better then the alternatives23:59

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