IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2015-05-10

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Vajbk. Fixed00:31
Vajbgot all old icons back except the one in top menu00:32
Vajbbut i guess i can live with it00:32
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L29Ah[21:24:20]<KotCzarny> ahm, i dont use it07:49
L29Ahhow do you cooperate w/ other ppl then? send tarballs?07:49
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KotCzarnyL29Ah: i dont cooperate, for maemo i prepare packages, for pc i made tar balls08:53
KotCzarnyits my solo project08:53
KotCzarnyand for ideas/feedback i use irc/tmo08:54
KotCzarnyi primarily made oscp for myself and shared it afterwards for others08:55
L29Ahi think it should close the output device on pause08:56
L29Ahalso the photo button is not as easy as unplugging the headphones (:08:56
KotCzarnyalso, if you have headphones button should work too08:56
KotCzarnyshort press for pause, long press for track skip08:57
KotCzarny(or ffwd if you prefer)08:57
L29Ahlol camera crashed08:58
L29Ahdo i understand it right i need to recompile oscp to add a delay before unpausing after i plug in the headphones?09:09
KotCzarnyyou can change oscp-dbus-listener.py09:09
KotCzarnyas its the part that listens to dbus and informs core about events09:10
KotCzarnyits in /opt/oscp/bin/09:10
KotCzarnyif you dont know python its very easy to learn09:11
L29Ahyeah took a minute to implement09:13
L29Ahpulseaudio needs >0.5s to understand it needs to switch the output o_O09:15
KotCzarnythere is pretty much stuff going on on output switch09:15
KotCzarnybut yeah, 0.5s is a lot09:16
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L29Ahdamn, messing w/ i2cdump eats a lot of energy10:03
L29Ahhow's the bme replacement?10:03
* L29Ah wants to monitor the discharge current10:04
L29AhKotCzarny: do i need to recompile oscp to make it stop playing on ejecting the jack?10:05
L29Ahas in "stop eating my precious joules"10:05
KotCzarnyi dont remember, does dbus listener check the /sys file too?10:07
KotCzarnyyou can try sending STOP instead of HP 010:08
KotCzarnythough i dont remember if dbuslistener messages go through the same remote commands loop10:08
L29AhNEXT on insert and STOP on eject did the job10:12
KotCzarnyL29Ah: as for amperage measurements grab the script10:12
KotCzarnyyou dont have to mess with i2c directly10:12
L29Ahokay, the only problem left is oscp stopping at borked mp3s10:12
L29AhKotCzarny: it consumes a lot10:12
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L29Aheven when polling once in 5s10:12
L29Ahmaybe even more than paused oscp + pa10:13
KotCzarnyL29Ah: that one is on my todo, still hadnt gotten around to weed it out completely10:13
KotCzarnyalso, for the list of available command see:
L29Ahi wonder what are the world's n900 reserves10:14
L29Ahwill i be able to buy one in three years?10:14
KotCzarnymost likely10:15
KotCzarnyused tho10:15
KotCzarnyremember production ended long time ago10:15
L29Ahwe already ran out of thinkpad x201s that were produced around the same time10:16
KotCzarnyi still see thinkpads x2x/x3x10:16
L29Ahthe last one i saw costed about $150010:16
L29Ahthey're quite sucky10:16
KotCzarnyyeah, just an example that such old machines are still available10:16
L29Ahx201s and n900 are both in the class of the best of their kind machines10:17
KotCzarnyx40 is nice10:17
KotCzarnyvery nice10:17
KotCzarnyespecially with ssd drive10:17
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L29Ahcrappy resolution and power consumption afair10:18
KotCzarnywith fan off and idle it keeps ~40C10:18
KotCzarnynever seen any other machine that can do it10:18
KotCzarnysomtimes it even goes under 40C10:18
KotCzarnymind you, fan OFF10:18
L29Ahmy x201 goes over 90°C with fan off and idle (:10:18
KotCzarnyif it had dual core cpu i would be still using it10:19
KotCzarnyand 4:3 screen > any wide crap10:19
L29Ahanyway it's the total amount of pixels matters10:20
L29Ahand x201s has 1400x90010:20
KotCzarnyyou can get high res 12" 4:3 screens too10:21
KotCzarny 1400x105010:22
KotCzarnyto be exact10:23
kerio2880x1800 master race o/10:23
keriomacbook pro10:24
KotCzarnyi wouldnt call it master race10:24
KotCzarnyits not a pc10:24
keriosounds like someone's jealous10:24
KotCzarnynot really10:24
KotCzarnyim happy with my 1024x76810:24
kerioso jel10:25
KotCzarnycan you run scratchbox on your macbook?10:25
KotCzarnyok, you can do something useful then10:26
L29Ahi thought about putting a macbook air display in the x201's lid10:27
KotCzarnyi think wouldnt handle it10:27
L29Ahbut it would require some downgrade of the mechanical strength10:28
KotCzarnyand chipset doesnt have its native resolution neither10:28
L29Ahmacbook air lcd is displayport and you can hook it up to the docking bay connector10:28
L29Ahanyway it won't handle me stomping on the lid, so no10:29
L29Ahkerio: can you stand on your macbook?10:30
keriothat would be retarded10:30
KotCzarnyits just an example how much pressure it will survive10:31
KotCzarnyyou can leave your lappy near the bed10:31
KotCzarnyor put it into bag10:31
KotCzarnyi got t60 for my gf, it's still alive10:32
KotCzarnyafter so many years10:32
L29Ahi crashed my t60 lcd when a shielving rack collapsed on it being open, got a crack on a side of the lid >_>10:34
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keriomay i recommend an actual ruggedized laptop10:42
kerioi fear for your electronics :c10:42
KotCzarnythinkpads ftw!10:42
L29Ahi haven't seen an actual modern rugged laptop w/ a trackpoint and a sensible price tag10:43
KotCzarnyyeah, nipple ftw!10:43
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KotCzarnybencoh: hint for you: Using laser pen lens as macro lens for camera phone10:49
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bencohhmm ?10:57
KotCzarnyif you are into photography tricks10:57
bencohoh, not that much :)10:57
bencohI just saw it on the window10:58
KotCzarnybiology happens10:58
Hurrianoh wow, it's not just me who hates the display on the X20110:58
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Hurriantoo bad there isn't a T60-style HiDPI screen mod for it11:01
KotCzarnyi was thinking about upgrading my x60 to x20x, but only think better would be ddr311:01
Hurriani dunno, Core2->Nehalem was a pretty good jump in power11:02
L29Ahmsata also11:02
KotCzarnyyeah, but temperature would rise too much11:02
L29Ahbtw somehow x201 eats more power than t6011:02
Hurrianyep my X201's exhaust fan doubles as a blowdryer11:02
HurrianBUT, the laptop _never_ overheats.11:02
KotCzarnybut its uncomfortable to have it in your lap11:03
HurrianL29Ah: got the 9-cell to go with your X201?11:03
L29Ahmy x201 w/ i7 reaches 100°C on especially tough compiles11:03
L29AhHurrian: sure11:03
KotCzarnyL29Ah: tried undervolting?11:03
KotCzarnynow i have another reason not to upgrade11:04
KotCzarnyas for msata thing, you can get an adapter11:04
KotCzarnymy x40 uses msata drive11:04
L29Ahsometimes i think about upscaling my n900 battery hack to x20111:04
L29Ahbut fail to think out a sensible case11:04
Hurrian12-cell upgrade?11:05
KotCzarnybackpack accu11:05
KotCzarnygrab car's one11:05
KotCzarny60Ah would be enough for a week11:05
L29AhHurrian: more like filling all the bottom surface w/ cells11:05
L29Ahlead is too heavy11:05
KotCzarnythat's just an excuse11:05
HurrianL29Ah: unless you want to take out the SATA disk there's not too much wiggle room inside the laptop though11:06
L29AhPanasonic 18650s are the state of the art now11:06
KotCzarnypaste him the pic11:06
KotCzarnyhe doesnt know about the hack11:06
HurrianAre those 18650s?11:07
Hurrianspeaking of 18650s, I baby the crap out of my 9-cell11:09
Hurrianit's unbelievable how expensive those are11:09
L29Ahchinese ones are $30 or so11:10
Hurrianwas just lucky I got a relatively-new one when I picked up my X201 second hand11:10
KotCzarnyi got chines 9cell for my t61 for ~30$11:11
KotCzarnystill have to see how long it will last after a year11:11
HurrianKotCzarny: I heard the Chinese chem labs are getting better11:12
KotCzarnystill, only time can tell about their longevity11:12
KotCzarnythe original battery for my gf's t60 is still strong11:13
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Hurriantbh when my 9-cell conks out I plan to re-cell the thing with new 18650s11:13
KotCzarnyand she usually goes around the house with it, so it cycles often11:13
Hurrian(hopefully Tesla gets their gigafactory up by then, 18650 price will fall through the floor)11:13
KotCzarnyi hope for solar panels price to go down11:14
KotCzarnyor for more effective peltier cells11:14
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L29AhHurrian: not much point in recelling unless you go w/ panasonics11:15
KotCzarnyhe wants to use american produced ones11:15
L29Ahwhoa tesla uses panasonics11:16
Hurrianyep the Gigafactory was a joint venture with Panasonic iirc11:16
Hurriannot much surprise there, the Thinkpads forum told me to specifically look for a Panasonic battery when buying11:18
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L29Ahtoo bad panasonics are optimized for 4.2→2.5V discharge cycles11:19
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HurrianKotCzarny: solar is pretty affordable now though11:25
KotCzarnyi want them smaller, more effective, cheaper11:25
KotCzarnyliving in a cloudy country11:25
Hurrianit's not exactly mass market but if you want it, you can have it11:25
Hurrianah, well that changes things11:26
Hurrianit's tropical out here, so with battery storage you could probably make it off-grid, even in the rainy season11:26
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L29Ahi forgot why did i trash bq27x00_battery >_>11:42
L29Ahbetter but still a lot: monitoring via `watch -n 4` over wifi doubles the energy consumption over idling11:46
KotCzarnyif you just want the data install battery-eye11:47
KotCzarnyits quite energy efficient11:47
KotCzarnyit only activates on events that otherwise would wake up the device11:47
L29Ahis it compatible w/ bq27x00_battery?11:47
KotCzarnyit gathers data into db you can use, but also has a gui so you dont have to process it yourself11:48
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L29Ahokay seems like it's not11:54
KotCzarnyfor real no-waky-waky-devicey i told you to install meter between the battery and the device11:56
KotCzarnyand it would be more accurate too11:56
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L29Ahi wonder if the internal thing is able to show me the total energy went thru it11:58
KotCzarnybattery-eye can11:58
KotCzarnyclick on the menu and see 'statistics'11:58
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L29Ahokay datasheet says AI is the current averaged over 5.12s, good12:09
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L29Ahno access to the actual coloumb meter, bad12:10
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L29Ahdoes anyone use some modern kernel on n900?12:43
KotCzarnymodern kernel needs modern glibc12:44
L29Ah is full of love12:44
L29AhKotCzarny: how come?12:44
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KotCzarnyi think its about some functions changed12:44
KotCzarnylol, there is kernel 4.1?12:45
L29Ahi think linus won't break libc12:45
KotCzarnyi was so used to 3.xx12:45
L29Ahlinus said he can't count this far so he bumps the major version number12:45
KotCzarnyit was easier to ignore kernel releases because of 'i still have 3.xx'12:46
KotCzarnynow it feels like i need to upgrade again12:46
KotCzarnynot to mention all those external modules relying on KERNEL_VER(2|3), hehe12:46
keriocan't modern kernel on n900 without losing quite a bit of stuff12:47
L29Ahye, coreutils' ping whines about kernel being too old (:12:47
L29Ahkerio: what stuff?12:47
keriophone calls, accelerated graphics, stuff like that12:47
L29Ahphone calls? srsly?12:48
L29Ahthere's some stuff about "modem protocol" being implemented on that page12:48
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keriowe're just way below the critical mass of people needed to bring maemo up to speed, i think12:51
L29Ah i wonder if he hangs out there12:51
KotCzarnyemail him12:54
KotCzarnyirc is a time waster mostly12:54
L29AhUserland access goes via /dev/cmt_speech. The API is implemented in12:57
L29Ahlibcmtspeechdata, which is used by ofono and the project.12:57
L29AhApart from that the device is also used by the phone binaries distributed12:57
L29Ahwith Maemo. So while this is a new userland ABI for the mainline kernel it12:57
L29Ahhas been tested in the wild for some years.12:57
L29Ahsounds like it'll work12:57
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bencohL29Ah: see
KotCzarnybencoh, is there some feature summary for it?13:21
bencohthe wiki afaik13:21
KotCzarnyahm, so its the same thing13:22
bencohyeah, just that iirc pali's tree is the most up-to-date since the gitorious "shutdown"13:22
bencohas for mainline, quite a lot of stuff got merged, but some of it broke at some point13:23
bencohand ....13:24
bencohyay, cmtspeech acked for 4.1-rc \o/13:24
bencohsome guy didnt want it at first because of some silly reason (the usual "this is not the way it should work")13:25
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L29Ahwill hook 4.1 into n900 after the battery calibrates i guess13:47
Wizzupis there a pre-built kernel / way to test it (anything documented)? Also don't mind building it myself, but just wondering13:48
WizzupI have a few N900's lying around that I wouldn't mind using to test some stuff :)13:49
L29Ah seems like the way to go13:51
KotCzarnySystem notice: Gitorious is being acquired by GitLab and will shut down end of May13:52
WizzupKotCzarny: hence why it moved to github [above link]13:54
KotCzarnyyes, just said it to l29ah13:54
KotCzarnyand bencoh said it too13:54
L29AhWizzup: b-but the github link is about 2.613:54
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L29Ahoh nvm13:55
KotCzarnyl29ah: use bencoh's link13:55
L29Ahdidn't notice there are other branches13:55
Wizzupyou need to switch branch13:56
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Wizzupstupid q: I guess it is not possible to charge the n900 in usb host mode?13:59
alifakhruddinYep.. True14:00
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WizzupIs there a specific reason for that? I can think of a few, but no particular one as to why it would be impossible14:00
L29Ahit must be possible14:01
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Wizzupif you create a frankencable, but then the n900 must accept/charge when in host mode14:01
L29Ahafair providing 5v to the usb is done via a hack that you can easily disable14:01
alifakhruddinUsb host mode has a completely diffrnt activity to it. Iev never exprncd my N900 being charged when connected to that.14:02
KotCzarnyl29ah: what about chip switching from getting to giving?14:02
L29AhKotCzarny: the battery chip? just disable this functionality14:02
KotCzarnyi think usb wires go through usb chip first14:03
Wizzupyou would of course re-write the usb14:03
L29Ahusb chip doesn't care about the power afair14:03
KotCzarnywhich may disable some in/out lines to the rest of the ciruitry14:03
L29Ahbut i didn't poke host mode yet14:03
KotCzarnyhehe, droid users stupidly enabling host mode and being unable to charge flat baterries afterwards14:04
L29Ah do i get all the maemo goodness available w/ this setup?14:04
KotCzarnygoogle is lots of funnies sometimes14:04
KotCzarnyenabling extras-devel all the times isnt good idea14:05
KotCzarnyyou should only use it to grab specific packages14:05
KotCzarnyand only them14:05
KotCzarnyotherwise you will end up with dependency hell14:05
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KotCzarnyunless you do some pinning tricks14:06
KotCzarnyThree additional ID pin states are defined[4] at the nominal resistance values of 124 k\u03a9, 68 k\u03a9, and 36.5 k\u03a9, with respect to the ground pin. These permit the device to work with USB Accessory Charger Adapters that allows the OTG device to be attached to both a charger and another device simultaneously.[6] These three states are used in the cases of:14:10
KotCzarnyso the cable should have some resistor magic to work14:12
L29Ahi doubt n900 looks at the resistors at all14:12
KotCzarnyif it follows otg spec it must14:12
L29Ahsure it doesn't14:12
L29Ahhost mode is an unofficial hack14:13
KotCzarnyunofficial from software side14:13
KotCzarnybut chip has its magic too14:13
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WizzupI think it would be possible (wrt my earlier question)14:22
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L29Ahmediabox doesn't play my pron14:39
L29Ahand oscp plays only the soundtrack of it14:39
KotCzarnyclick 'vid' button14:39
KotCzarnyit will enable video part14:39
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KotCzarnybut if gstreamer doesnt know that format it wouldnt14:40
KotCzarnybut if gstreamer doesnt know that format nothing else would play it (as without dsp code it will be a slideshow)14:40
L29Ahi don't see such a button14:41
KotCzarnyclick the grid button14:41
KotCzarnyit will show more buttons14:41
KotCzarnyit may be named [V] and not Vid14:41
L29Ahi'm in the grid mode14:41
L29AhV:0 thing?14:42
L29AhV:1 does nothing14:42
bencohpr0n has a tendancy to be high profile these days ... a bit hard on our poor C64+ dsp :)14:42
KotCzarnyreclick video?14:42
KotCzarnybencoh: watching pr0n on c64?14:42
L29Ahi hanged the core14:43
KotCzarnyl29ah: be patient?14:43
KotCzarnyalso 'hung'14:43
KotCzarny(past tense)14:43
bencohKotCzarny: C64x+ is the omap3 dsp14:43
KotCzarnybecoh, oh, thought about actual c6414:44
bencohno, I wasnt talking about CGA pr0n ;p14:44
L29Ahhow patient should i be?14:44
KotCzarnyl29ah: check the top14:44
L29Ahkilled it, restarted, ordered it to play, hanging for a minute14:45
L29Ahno one's in top14:45
KotCzarnycheck if stock player plays that file14:45
L29Ahit doesn't14:45
KotCzarnythen you are out of luck14:46
KotCzarnyunless you can port libav dsp code to gcc4.214:46
L29Ah1280x720 h264 is too good huh?14:46
KotCzarnymore likely unsupported codec14:46
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KotCzarnybaseline is supported only, not sure what the bitrate and resolution limits are (although |I think 800x480 H264 baseline will work but 720p will not)14:47
zamn900WHYYYYYY WHYYYY no youtube wtf device support from youtube14:48
KotCzarnyyoutube allows different formats14:48
KotCzarnyask for webm14:48
KotCzarnyor something14:48
L29Ahyoutube-dl, ask to get the proper size14:48
zamn900shall I definately disinstall cutetube?14:48
zamn900ye I know about youtube-dl but it seems to not work in my n90014:49
L29Ahstrange it doesn't14:49
zamn900I supposed that was so normal for all n90014:49
L29Ahdunno, never tried to play video on this thing14:50
L29AhThe Nokia N900 Internet Tablet14:50
* zamn900 trows L29Ah out of the maemo ship14:50
KotCzarnyl29ah: anyway, remember that with v:1 it uses device's gstreamer, and v:0 uses libav and other oscp's builtin libs14:50
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zamn900this is a meessss btw14:51
KotCzarnyquite a few people downloaded clips but usually want to just play audio part14:51
zamn900gosh help us14:51
zamn900how can we survive without cutetube14:52
L29Ahhang out on irc more14:52
zamn900that's not cool14:52
L29Ahinstall 4.1 and gentoo14:53
L29Ahthat's cool14:53
zamn900if you wanna be more on irc you haven' to cut off cutetube14:53
zamn900man this sucks14:53
zamn900the world sucks without cutetube14:54
KotCzarnyl29ah: if you manage to compile libav with dsp code enabled that would work with stock eglibc, let me know14:54
L29Ahi doubt i'll get into this14:54
L29Ahvideo playback is too useless14:54
KotCzarnyuseful sometimes14:54
KotCzarnyor if you manage to compile stable gcc >=4.8 for stock eglibc14:55
KotCzarnythat would be nice too14:55
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VajbL29Ah: have u tried bnf for battery info?15:13
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L29Ahbnf is good15:14
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L29Ahin-kernel driver is better, tho it sucks by not showing the current power drain15:15
Vajbbut wasn't mentioned before so i thought u forgot it's existence :)15:15
Vajbyeah it's always 5 seconds past15:15
L29Aheh, i mean it doesn't show the power15:15
L29Ahonly current15:16
Vajbbut still less than device itself ;)15:16
L29Ahi have to product some numbers ;[15:16
L29Ahand twice as much i2c requests15:16
Vajbit shows power too15:16
KotCzarnyl29ah, external powermeter, no other proper way15:16
KotCzarnyas you will be waking device otherwise15:16
Vajbu mean power as wats being used?15:17
KotCzarnypower is measured in watts15:17
Vajband can be calculated since we know mah and voltage15:17
KotCzarnystill, you are waking the device15:18
KotCzarnyand that disrupts the measurement15:18
L29Ahi guess crap like hal wake it as well15:18
L29Ahso a proper monitor doesn't affect much15:19
KotCzarnywill do15:19
L29Ahi.e. not written in bash calling lots of shit15:19
KotCzarnybecause it wont wake the device15:19
Vajbi guess bq script in loop mode isn't helping either?15:19
L29AhVajb: it consumes A LOT15:19
KotCzarnyis n900's kernel using nohz?15:19
Vajbyeah i guess15:20
KotCzarnystill, doing syscalls is expensive15:20
L29Ahno /proc/config.gz ;[15:20
Wizzupfyi, charging with host mode is supported15:20
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Wizzupapparently :)15:20
KotCzarnyl29ah: while [ 1 ]; do grep timer /proc/interrupts; sleep 1; done15:21
KotCzarnyif its constant difference then no nohz15:21
KotCzarnytry with wifi off15:22
L29Ahs/[ 1 ]/:/15:22
L29AhOH NO15:22
Vajbbuy some cheap multimeter and hook it up with ur device hehe15:23
L29Ahi have some multimeters but they suck15:24
KotCzarnyvajb, cheap multimeter wouldnt be so exact in mAh range15:24
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Vajboh well15:27
L29Ahis it ok i see no style for ?15:28
L29Ahno luck15:30
KotCzarnyadblocking got the style?15:30
L29Ahno, looks like the server is down or so15:30
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L29Ahchecked thru tor, same shit15:42
KotCzarnyredirected me to :81 tho15:42
L29Ahdoes this open for you?15:43
KotCzarnysomehow i have it loaded tho15:44
L29Ahi have https everywhere thing on15:44
KotCzarnyyou know http and https wont work on the same port?15:44
L29Ahi don't15:45
L29Ahhttps everywhere devs don't as well it seems15:45
KotCzarnyanyway, works with http15:45
L29Ahi'll file them a bug15:45
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KotCzarnyspeakers enhancers18:48
KotCzarnyand most likely it works18:49
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scottcbought my new battery, it should arrive this week :)19:26
KotCzarnyhave you checked it was the battery?19:27
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scottcKotCzarny: can't confirm since i don't have a spare battery, but it feels a bit swollen and can spin on its side freely like someone suggested19:41
scottcso for 3 euro, i will give it a shot19:41
KotCzarnyask anyone on the street19:41
KotCzarnytell them that you need to call but your battery is 'flat'19:42
KotCzarnyand if they have nokia ;)19:42
scottci'm living in london (temporarily) now, i imagine i'd be punched19:42
scottcsad thing is, i have like 10 spare broken nokia phones at home that family members have given me, i'm sure one would have the right battery19:43
krbtgti know C3-00s use the same battery19:44
krbtgtcarriers here gave the away basically19:44
scottcgood to know!19:46
scottcwhere is "here", for reference?19:46
KotCzarnygetting punched for owning nokia?19:53
L29Ahwhoa power kernel pulled some u-boot19:54
L29Ahbut no /etc/bootmenu.d19:54
KotCzarnyhmm, i have power kernel installed too, wonder if it also installed uboot19:55
kerioit didn't19:55
L29Ahwhat does this do?19:55
L29Ahi suck at apt it seems19:56
L29Ahhow to list all the installed packages?19:56
kerioi don't think it's the supported one19:56
kerioL29Ah: dpkg -l19:56
L29Ahokay no u-boot19:57
bencohplease pretty please install uboot :)20:03
KotCzarny'if it works, dont break it' ?20:03
L29Ahsure i will20:04
L29Ahafter the battery runs out ;[20:04
L29Aha week left or so20:04
bencohcalibrating ?20:04
KotCzarnylaunch video in the background20:04
KotCzarnyon the loop20:04
KotCzarnyshould be a quickie20:04
L29Ahnah it's too wasteful ;)20:05
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