IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2015-05-03

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DerHatlooks like maemo kernel is not avaiaible or not accessable, can i install it from nitdroid terminal??00:37
bencohwhat do you mean by "not available" ?00:38
bencohand how do you know ?00:38
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DerHaton the boot screen, there is some boot informations like kernel, params, filesystem etc... when i try boot maemo there is everything without "Kernel" information empty! somebody posted in forum he reflashed maemo kernel and works for him.00:41
DerHatwhen i hit 1 the "modules" field shows ext300:42
DerHatkernel is "2.6.27omap1"00:42
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Sicelothat was never an N900 kernel. 2.6.28 is the lowest that we know of (not saying .27 wouldn't work)00:55
ShadowJKI vaguely recall maemo userland relies on some kernel features?00:57
DerHatwhat can i do now to recover maemo? is there an other way then reflash device using a pc?00:59
DerHatnitdroid is running well, maybe i can flash from there:P?01:00
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Siceloflash the kernel only01:12
bencohyou can also try booting with a supplied kernel01:12
bencoh(from usb)01:12
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DerHatbencoh can you explain or give me a link?01:20
DerHathave this something to do with pressing u while boot device?01:22
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bencohDerHat: flasher allows you to "load" a kernel/initrd instead of flashing it01:27
bencoh-l instead of -f iirc01:28
bencoh(not sure about that one, check the syntax)01:28
DerHatyou re right, sounds like a fail-save method01:28
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DerHatlol, i think just the maemo boot entry in bootloader is incorrect. maybe i can fix it02:19
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DerHati found boot menu entries, folder is read only so i cant change them :/ also tryed chmod +r multiboot.d result is: "Bad Mode"02:29
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princefakhananybody Indian here? I want a battery for my baby.10:33
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L29Ahi've bought a n900 (yay!)12:18
bencohyay! :)12:18
L29Ahwondering why doesn't it want to charge my battery12:18
L29Ah0 CHGS  Charge State flag. A 1 in the CHGS indicates a charge current (VSRP > VSRN). Charging.12:18
princefakhanwow! cool12:19
L29Ahit used to, but then i've soldered some two 18650s and it stopped12:19
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L29Ahhttps://dump.bitcheese.net/files/avijeju/n900-cutie.jpeg12:31
bencohhmm12:31
bencohwtf12:31
bencohpoor thing12:31
princefakhanlol.12:32
Wizzup_princefakhan: wrt battery, there are threads on t.m.o and the wiki that lists tons of batteries12:32
princefakhanlooks like that would suffice my phones battery need to.12:33
princefakhan*too12:33
Wizzup_https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Batteries12:33
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princefakhanWizzup_: thanks. but are they available in here.12:34
Wizzup_ebay.com is not available in your country?12:34
Wizzup_http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6556812:35
Wizzup_http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PolarCell-Batterie-Nokia-X6-00-5230-5800-N900-C3-00-BL-5J-XpressMusic-XM-Battery-/390402445382?pt=DE_Handy_PDA_Akkus&hash=item5ae5cc904612:35
princefakhanit is. I was fraid of the shipping charges.12:37
Wizzup_Postage:12:39
Wizzup_Free12:39
princefakhanyeah I just saw it.12:39
princefakhanthat is the best replacement a/c to the wiki.12:40
princefakhanguess I will buy it.12:40
princefakhanor if I see any larger batteries in the same price on my local stores, I will go for them.12:41
bencohyeah, polarcells are cool12:41
princefakhan:D12:41
bencohprincefakhan: dont go for "larger batteries"12:41
bencohunless they're really physically larger (volume), like Mugens12:42
princefakhanhuh! but its 2015.12:43
princefakhanI thought thay may be available now.12:43
princefakhanor not. all the phones with bl-5j are dead.12:43
bencoh2015 or not, it's still the same techno :)12:44
princefakhanhmmm. :)12:44
bencohand we simply dont have anything better (that would fit in this volume)12:44
princefakhanwell then Polarcell it is.12:45
bencohmost of the batteries claiming a higher capacity are just scam :)12:45
princefakhanyeah I saw the tmo page.12:46
bencoh:)12:46
princefakhanone claims to be 1500. and its 1300.12:46
bencohpolarcells are actually ~150012:46
bencoh(according to the bq272xx chip)12:47
princefakhanand I guess I can find 2000mah bl-5js in marjet today. since people know they need bigger batteries now.12:47
princefakhanhmmm.12:47
L29Ahwe need some photos of a fuel cell powered n90012:47
bencohhaha12:47
princefakhanhaha.12:48
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princefakhanI would rather have neo900 than a fuel cell powered n90012:52
L29Ahit actually might even be cheaper12:52
drathirsolar powered ones...12:52
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princefakhanwhat might be. fuel cell or neo90012:53
L29Ahneo90012:53
bencoh~700e ;p12:53
princefakhanuh! well that's why I'm saying I would want a neo90012:54
princefakhanis there any estimate of how much it will cost though12:54
DerHatfuel cell powered n900 LOL13:00
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chem|stprincefakhan: ~600eur?13:21
bencoh+ a n900 board13:21
chem|stbencoh: + housing, not board13:22
bencohs/board/case/13:22
infobotbencoh meant: + a n900 case13:22
bencohyeah :)13:22
bencoh(case+a few components)13:22
princefakhanso 600 eur for just the board.13:23
bencohrough estimate, but most probably13:28
bencohthere is no official price yet13:28
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scottc600 euro...13:28
zzz|princefakhanokay.13:28
zzz|princefakhancuz 600 is well... too much13:29
scottcwasn't the n900 originally about that price?13:29
L29Ah> According to current calculations, the cost of motherboard should be somewhere around 990 EUR. Complete device will cost about 150 EUR more, depending on prices and availability of N900 spare parts.13:29
L29Ahhttp://neo900.org/faq13:29
bencohwait, what ?13:29
bencoh990 ?13:29
zzz|princefakhanwhoa!13:29
bencohStatus: 2015-05-0113:30
bencohoh13:30
scottclol...13:30
zzz|princefakhan:P13:30
bencohwtf.13:30
scottcfor 1000 euro you could get a used n900, a jolla, a nexus 5 and a refurb thinkpad13:31
scottcthat's a bit mad13:31
zzz|princefakhanyes u can. smartphones are cheaper now.13:31
scottcaye13:32
scottcstill, if they have 200 people interested at that price point then more power to them13:32
scottci'd love to see it get out the door, even if it's too pricey for me13:32
zzz|princefakhanwe are getting better hardware on 300 eur phone thn a 600 euro one.13:32
bencohs/better/different/13:32
bencoh(sure, better specs ... but no isolation)13:33
zzz|princefakhanhmmm.13:33
zzz|princefakhanmy point: don't buy samshit13:33
bencoh(modem is just a usb peripheral)13:34
zzz|princefakhanu have 1+ one13:34
bencoh1+1 has qualcomm/MSM inside13:34
zzz|princefakhanso?13:35
bencohmodem has control over everything13:35
zzz|princefakhan?13:37
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KotCzarnybut 18550 are ~1500mAh14:30
KotCzarnyso its better to get mugen one i guess14:30
L29Ah18650 are 2 to 3,5Ah14:30
KotCzarnythose are 18650?14:31
L29Ahyep14:31
KotCzarnyah, right, missed it14:31
KotCzarnymaybe one of the got discharged too deep?14:31
krbtgt_my windows phone takes the same batteries as my N900, but in a larger mAh14:32
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L29Aheh, i think i've merged myself in a wrong thread14:33
L29Ahor not14:33
L29AhKotCzarny: what14:33
krbtgt_i also a stack of featurephones that take the same batteries as the n90014:34
KotCzarnydont know, got discharged, damaged internally and is shorted14:34
krbtgt_so i can use them as battery chargers14:34
KotCzarnythats why bme refuses to charge14:34
L29Ahno, they're all good14:35
bencohL29Ah: how did you take care of the BSI ?14:35
L29Ahexcept the internal one that is just old14:35
L29Ahi didn't touch it14:35
KotCzarnyso you have 3 batteries now connected in parallel?14:35
L29Ahye14:35
KotCzarnylol14:35
KotCzarnycheck without internal?14:36
L29Ahi have to destroy it14:36
L29Ahthis way14:36
L29Ahor not14:37
bencohL29Ah: what is it plugged to, then ?14:37
L29Ahbut i don't have crocodile connectors14:37
bencoh(the BSI pin)14:37
KotCzarnyto the internal battery14:37
KotCzarnybl-5j14:37
L29Ahanyway the battery is charging fine via an external charger14:38
bencohoh, 'k14:38
L29Ahbut i'm going to be away from home for a month so i'd love to have the usb charging option14:38
L29Ahand the calculated runtime for this setup is a week or two14:39
L29Ahi should set up some suspend to ram thing btw14:39
bencohdoes it work on n900 ?14:39
bencoh(s2ram)14:39
L29Ahyeah14:39
L29Ahbencoh: https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption14:40
bencohhm, is that a real s2ram ?14:41
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bencohnevermind, echo mem >/sys/power/state :)14:41
bencohhmm, it already says "mem"14:42
KotCzarnywhat it says is what is available14:42
KotCzarnyyou choose one of the options14:43
bencohoh, okay14:43
bencohlet's try14:43
bencoherm, before trying ... how do you get it back on ?14:43
KotCzarnypower button i guess14:43
L29Ahor the unblock hook14:44
L29Ahor an incoming call (didn't test yet)14:44
bencohsoo ... screen went black, then a lot of (kernel ?) logs, then black14:45
bencohand ... power botton brings back the powermenu14:45
bencohhmm, actually, closing keyboard brings it back on as well ...14:46
KotCzarnyyou would have to measure how much power it takes14:46
KotCzarnythen might be it doesnt work14:46
KotCzarnycheck dmesg14:46
KotCzarnyor write a script writing date every second to /tmp14:46
KotCzarnyand check if it gets suspended14:47
bencohit works all right, just that closing keyboard changes a gpio14:48
bencohand it wakes it14:48
KotCzarnycool14:49
KotCzarnywonder how much power it draws in this state14:49
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bencohme too14:49
bencohwiki says 2ma14:49
krbtgt_making calls on an n900?14:50
KotCzarny:>14:50
krbtgt_i thought that was something made up by nokia to sell n900s14:51
KotCzarnyamazing, isnt it?14:51
bencohhaha14:52
bencohI'll try calling it14:53
bencohit does wake up, but I get the "no sim" icon on wake up, then no phone services (2G status and phone services provider's name disappear)14:56
bencohand I eventually get the "not available" tone at the other end14:56
L29Ah:[14:56
bencohTL;DR: nope. :)14:56
bencohnot far though14:56
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CATPFinishing flashing... done15:22
CATPCMT flashing failed15:22
CATPWhat is CMT?15:23
CATPPlease?15:23
Palicellular modem15:38
CATPThank Ya15:39
CATPHow can i reset the Lock-Code?15:39
CATPPlease?15:39
keriowho cares about the lock code15:59
kerioyou can just crack it15:59
kerioboot from rescueos15:59
kerio~rescueos15:59
infobotfrom memory, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/15:59
kerioand then the code is crypt()ed in the CAL mtd partition16:00
kerioeasily reversed16:00
kerioif the flashing is failing because your modem is fucked up, you can just tell the flasher to flash everything else16:00
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Openbotprincefakhan you can try belief premium 1500 mah16:59
Openbotprincefakhan costs about rs 200 to 25017:00
Openbotprincefakhan also stock battrey is 1300 mah but now a days  few manufacturers also provide 1500 mah  battreys17:02
Openbotso you also get a noticeable more uptime than stock17:03
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keesjit has been 10 years since I brought my 770. And I can truelt say this is the device that changed my life (and certainly career) !17:06
keesjtruly17:06
KotCzarnylife17:06
KotCzarnyif i had 770 i could compile decent player for it17:06
Openbotwell 770 is too low for my taste17:07
keesjfound this one in my archieves http://www.keesj.dds.nl/n770/oneko/17:07
Openbotdoes 770 do fb chat17:07
keesjI was so great to have one of the first, the first? hackable (linux) device17:08
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Openboti love my n900 as i can fire multiple instances of opera mini  have dozens of tabs open17:09
Openbotso much pleasure17:10
Openbotalso its smoooth17:10
Openbotnither it eats too much batrey17:10
keesjI haven't played lately with my devices (I have lots of different hardware now)17:10
keesjhttp://cosy-home.garage.maemo.org/ it is all still there!17:11
Openbotmy primary music player is a jxd 661 which i bought years back17:11
Openbotaha17:12
keesjand an other unfinished project http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=SDL_gfx17:12
keesjStill. it was lots of fun and changed my life17:12
bencoh:)17:13
Openboton n900 i use that awakard oscp and car mode pf omp when in transist17:13
krbtgt_my n900 is my bedside IRC device17:13
Openbot\of17:13
Openbotkrbtgt_ i got a dedside n900 too17:14
Openbot:)17:14
krbtgt_i have an N800 too but its not as practical17:14
jogaI've set up my n800 to just be a skype phone but never actually use it17:15
L29Ah[17:06:22]<keesj> it has been 10 years since I brought my 770. And I can truelt say this is the device that changed my life (and certainly career) !17:16
krbtgt_i think my N800 has more games on it17:16
L29Ahare you a jolla developer nowadays?17:16
krbtgt_it has more buttons for doing games so that's nie17:17
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keesjL29Ah: Well I recently started looking into Jolla but I work for an ethical  phone manufacturer (Fairphone.com)17:17
keesjwe currently ship Android17:18
L29Ah:317:19
keesjI had a very good time with this community(maemo summit, mozilla week-end in copenhagen, linuxtag)17:21
keesjI don't konw why but I also re-started playing with my c64 lately17:22
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DerHathey, its me. again): need som help with flasher for n90017:59
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DerHateach time i tryed to flash device i lost usb connection ->black screen-> again and again18:00
DerHati read the problem is that the battery is to low18:00
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DerHatnow i tryed "flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -l -R" and the "maemo loading dots" was coming up, looks like usb is charging the device now, am i right?18:01
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DerHatbecause, i cant boot maemo. just damaged system by installing multiboot18:01
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DerHattryed to charge by using nitdroid without success :/ now nitroid also wont boot18:03
DerHatthe flasher detected the usb device but lost connection before start flashing18:03
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Sicelo~multiboot18:06
infobotwell, multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot18:06
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Siceloanyway18:06
Sicelothe BL-5J is also used in a number of other Nokias. Get hold of one & charge it there18:06
DerHatso it is not charging yet? yellow led is lighting up every second18:07
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bencohit's probably charging then18:09
DerHatokay, i mean, because of this: http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f148/nokia-n900-fake-charing-1535097/ im not sure18:10
DerHatthere is a lot of ppl who say n900 fake charge18:11
KotCzarnyderhat: someone here said that device can charge even without system loaded, failsafe charing kick in after ~30s18:12
Siceloif you have flashing amber, generally it should charging.18:12
KotCzarnykrbtgt_: n800 not useful? check my oscp and turn it into perfect media device18:12
Siceloand that means your system is working .. what makes you say it's damaged?18:12
KotCzarnyhe cant boot18:13
DerHatyep18:13
KotCzarnyplayed with nolo i guess18:13
Sicelo~flabat-recover18:13
Sicelo~flatbat-recover18:13
Sicelohmm18:13
Sicelo~flatbatrecover18:13
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)18:13
KotCzarnyhe broke nolo, so i guess no rootfs/initrd18:14
CATPkerio: ktnx18:14
DerHatKot, multiboot still loading, but when i choose system there is only error18:15
Sicelostrange. he shouldn't have flashing amber18:15
KotCzarnysicelo, maybe its failsafe charging18:15
Siceloiirc doesn't do flashing amber .. there's different pattern (steady amber if i'm not mistaken)18:16
DerHati loaded RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM using flasher to phone, the only chance to show up the maemo loading dots18:16
DerHatgood idea?18:16
DerHati mean without -f because i cant flash with low battery18:16
DerHat-l -R instead18:17
KotCzarnygrab any device that can charge bl-5j and reflash with full battery?18:17
KotCzarnyi guess you can ask someone to borrow phone for 30-60mins18:17
DerHatwell, idk anyone who got nokia devices, most ppl use iphone. but i got a voltage regulator 1.5-70V maybe i can use this??18:19
DerHatalso got a multimeter and oscilloscope to view ampere18:20
KotCzarnyif you are adventurous18:20
KotCzarnyand if you know electronics you can make your own charger for li-ions18:20
bencohKotCzarny: he didnt break nolo18:21
bencohhe wouldnt be able to go that far if he did18:21
KotCzarnyahm18:21
bencohDerHat: just wait for it to charge in blinking/breathing yellow state18:22
DerHatyea its going to be green right?18:22
bencohI guess so :]18:23
Siceloonly green when full18:23
DerHatokay18:23
DerHatthx for support! :- )18:24
bencohmeanwhile you can gather some doc about uboot, flasher, bootmenu vs multiboot and preinit :)18:25
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DerHatis it possible to load/boot anyway maemo from usb/flasher?18:26
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bencohI know how to load rescueos18:26
bencohI dunno about maemo18:26
Siceloyou can only load kernel :)18:27
Siceloso Maemo.. no.18:27
bencohkernel+initrd ... kernel should be enough if you think your maemo kernel is (why ?) corrupted18:27
bencohSicelo: given correct kernel args it should be able to boot maemo rootfs18:27
KotCzarnyi think he only has wrong params for multiboot18:27
bencohbut if the fs is corrupted ...18:27
KotCzarnyso the rest is untouched18:28
bencohcould be18:28
Siceloyou can't load the rootfs .. has to be properly in place. too big for ram18:28
bencohSicelo: I mean, inplace18:28
bencohfrom the nand18:28
bencohlike a regular boot18:28
Sicelo:)18:28
Siceloso yes, you loading only kernel18:29
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bencohyeah18:29
KotCzarnykernel cam have initrd glued in18:29
KotCzarnys/cam/can/18:29
infobotKotCzarny meant: kernel can have initrd glued in18:29
Siceloyep18:29
DerHatokay18:30
KotCzarnyone should prepare such rescueos18:30
KotCzarnyor is there one already? (bootable wholly from usb flasher)18:30
bencohthere is18:30
Siceloyep.18:30
Sicelo~rescueos18:31
infobothmm... rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/18:31
KotCzarnynice, perfect setup for trying diff. builds18:31
Sicelobuilds of?18:31
KotCzarnykernel18:31
KotCzarnyand maybe glibc18:31
Siceloyou can even setup your own OS for that, which is tailored to your exact needs18:32
DerHatwuuuut?? can i just load rescueOS using flasher and boot them???18:32
KotCzarnyyeah, and mount --bind or symlink things18:32
KotCzarnyderhat: yes18:33
DerHatthen flash from that os??18:33
KotCzarnynope18:33
KotCzarnyjust run it18:33
KotCzarnynothing written to flash18:33
DerHatisnt that a unix os?18:33
KotCzarnybut needs correct params to util18:33
KotCzarnywhat is 'that' ?18:33
DerHatrescueOS18:34
bencohrescueos is a linux kernel + some userland18:34
KotCzarnyyeah, kernel + filesysystem loaded into ramdisk18:34
bencohmounting the nand can be a pain sometimes iirc18:34
DerHatyea, then mount filesystem and rewrite to it? why should it not work?18:34
bencohI think last time I tried I had some issue, dont remember why18:35
bencoh(but it worked in the end)18:35
SiceloDerHat: you won't have complete access to the nand that way18:35
SiceloCAL area for example18:36
KotCzarnysicelo: why not?18:36
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Siceloyou can fix problems in your rootfs for sure18:36
bencohbecause CAL isnt standard in anyway and you need libcal and other fancy tools18:36
Sicelobut there's no way to "flash" from a secondary OS18:36
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DerHatokay:/18:37
KotCzarnybencoh, but if you mount rootfs (even ro) then you have access to tools18:37
DerHatright:D18:37
Sicelothere's a complete protocol to flashing18:37
Sicelonot just an overwrite of files18:37
DerHatok, then i wait for battery and flash with usb18:38
Siceloso Nitdroid still only works with Multiboot? No way to use it via uboot+bootmenu?18:41
KotCzarnyhmm18:43
KotCzarnypity there is no way to run nitdroid as a virtual machine in maemo18:44
KotCzarnyor maybe with xen?18:44
DerHatsicelo pretty sure i saw tutorials for nitdroid+uboot18:45
DerHatisnt uboot a bootmenu?18:46
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DerHatjust remember they wrote multiboot sux!18:51
DerHatand going to damage nand flash or something18:51
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Sicelouboot is not a boot menu, but a special kernel18:55
Sicelothat allows you to load another kernel :) so uboot is a bootloader in much simpler terms18:55
bencohit does provide a kind of boot menu with its bootscript feature though18:56
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L29Ahokay, ditching the camera cover brought some unintended consequences19:56
KotCzarnyget a magnetic piece from it19:56
L29Ahi need some trigger to reset camera after it fucks up19:56
L29Ahi've glued a white paper19:56
KotCzarnythat's what triggers it19:56
L29Ahnope19:57
KotCzarnymaybe wrong orientation19:57
bencohwhy dont you just keep a bl-5j and an extra (external) usb battery ?19:57
L29Aheh, regluing it doesn't work19:57
L29Ahrebooting does19:57
L29Ahbencoh: because usb battery have effective capacity /219:58
L29Ahdue to extra conversions19:58
L29Ahand unneccessary recharging of the internal battery19:58
L29Ahor even worse than /219:58
L29Ahboard_rx51_camera       5088  120:00
L29Ahomap34xxcam_mod        18308  1020:00
L29Ahi wonder what uses all these20:00
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bencohL29Ah: yeah but permanently strapping 2 batteries on the back of your n900 isnt exactly great20:01
bencohbut .... your call :)20:01
L29Ahthey aren't permanently strapped20:02
L29Ahit's a case for removable batteries20:02
L29Ahso i could carry more and replace as needed20:02
L29Ah:]20:02
bencohoh20:03
KotCzarnyl29ah, make a nun-chucks case20:05
KotCzarnyit will double as a self defense tool20:05
bencoh:]20:05
L29Ahposessing nunchucks in russia is a criminal offence20:08
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L29Ahi don't wanna get jailed for n90020:08
KotCzarnyyou can say its a battery case20:08
KotCzarny:)20:08
KotCzarnybut seriously, it is?20:08
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L29Ahyea20:08
L29Ahhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunchaku20:08
L29Ah/russ20:08
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totalizatorDefiant: I have installed Nitdroid with multiboot years ago, upgraded to uboot and then fixed it (Nd) so it works - there should be a thread on TMO how to do it20:09
KotCzarnywow, its also illegal in poland20:10
KotCzarnyalso in .uk20:11
L29Ahokay the camera app puts the photos into some /dev/null20:11
* L29Ah wonders if it's because he formatted mmcblk0p1 as ext220:11
KotCzarnyand in new york/california20:11
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L29Ahseriously dangerous stuff!20:12
KotCzarnyyeah..20:12
KotCzarnypiece of wood20:12
KotCzarnyand a bit of chain20:12
totalizatorin US everything is illegal20:13
totalizatorexcept firearms20:13
KotCzarny:)20:13
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L29Ahwhat is the most awesome camera app?20:20
KotCzarnynot much choice there20:20
KotCzarnyfcam and stock20:20
princefakhanI use blessn900 when I have to take hdr20:20
princefakhanI have fcam installed, but don't use it.20:21
KotCzarnyah, right, blessn90020:21
princefakhan:)20:21
KotCzarnyand i guess you can try looking for some webcam apps20:22
bencohblessn900 is closed-source thoug20:22
KotCzarnyis n900 camera using v4l2 ?20:22
bencohyou can try rawcam as well20:22
bencohKotCzarny: it does20:22
L29Ahn900 camera is a sick thing20:22
KotCzarnythen you can try grabbing some desktop linux webcam/photocam apps20:22
L29Ahit comes with an autofocus mech i'd love to utilize20:23
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L29Ahso webcam mode is no-no20:23
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KotCzarnyif you know how to code, you can do it yourself20:23
princefakhanI had some webcam app in my phone in the early days20:23
L29Ahif i'm to code, i'm to finish moving maemo stuff to gentoo :]20:24
princefakhan:)20:24
KotCzarnyyou can code now, it will run on gentoo too20:24
KotCzarnyso no need to wait20:25
KotCzarny;)20:25
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Defianttotalizator?20:25
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princefakhan~totalizator20:26
princefakhaninfobot has nothing.20:26
KotCzarnytry /whois20:26
L29Ahblessn900 won't start20:26
princefakhanI just did20:26
KotCzarnymaybe something grabbed camera20:27
KotCzarnyor you need newer version20:27
L29Ah blessn900 depends on fcam-drivers (>= 1.0.6-1); however:20:27
L29Ah  Package fcam-drivers is not configured yet.20:27
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DerHatre20:27
DerHatflash successful20:27
L29Ahi'm new to debian, what do i press?20:27
princefakhando u have camera launcher too20:27
KotCzarnyapt-get update20:27
KotCzarnyor apt-get update -f20:27
KotCzarnydont remember20:27
princefakhanL29Ah u have used linux before hvent u?20:28
L29Ahhwat20:28
princefakhannevermind20:28
L29Ahi've used linux for like 10 years20:29
L29Ahbut debian is just too scary for me so i never invested any time in it20:29
KotCzarnyyou shouldn't liek use like like every word or like comma20:29
L29Ahlike ≈ about20:29
KotCzarnyit's a grammar weed20:29
princefakhan:)20:30
L29Ahno?20:30
KotCzarnyit's a teen speech20:30
KotCzarnybad in every sense20:30
DerHatlike a teen speech20:30
L29Ahi'm a cool kid yo20:30
DerHat:D20:30
L29Ahw/ fashionable gentoo and n90020:30
KotCzarnyand might i say, like a stupid blonde teen speech20:31
princefakhanwell someone did aske me on a channel: u liek madkipz20:31
princefakhanor something like that.20:31
Sicelodebian scary? which distro are you using hten?20:31
bencoh:))20:31
L29Ahgentoo20:31
Siceloheh20:31
princefakhanI had to google madkipz.20:31
* L29Ah googles this20:31
KotCzarnygentoo, like someone said, ooh, new openoffice minor version, compile time!20:31
princefakhanmadkipz is some pokemon I guess20:31
bencohkrkr :)20:32
princefakhannever had much interest in anime.20:32
Sicelothat's why i don't get why a gentoo user would find debian scary. should be the other way round instead20:32
L29Ahgood thing i don't use bloatware20:32
KotCzarnyi use slackware20:32
L29Ahdebian is overcomplicated and too hard to hack20:32
KotCzarnythe best and only one20:32
princefakhanI actually got invilved in the internet culture lately20:32
L29Ahokay i got some progress20:33
L29Ahafter a reboot it loads for some time and then exits20:33
L29Ahi'll go for fcam i guess20:33
princefakhanL29ah: blessn90020:33
L29Ahye, i was talking about it20:33
KotCzarnydont be scared if stock camera wont work now20:33
princefakhanhehe.20:34
KotCzarnyi had to uninstall fcam to make it work again20:34
L29Ah:D20:34
KotCzarnygot me pretty scared20:34
L29AhE: Couldn't find package fcam20:34
princefakhanlooks like fcam phucked things up.20:34
KotCzarnybecause i dropped my phone in the meantime20:34
KotCzarnyand thought i physically broke it20:34
KotCzarnyl29ah: dpkg -l|grep -i cam20:35
princefakhanKotCzarny: lol20:35
KotCzarnyalso, you should map ~ and | to some blue keys20:35
princefakhan*fcam or cam20:35
L29Ahfcam-drivers20:35
KotCzarnypretty essential if you use command line on device20:35
L29Ahthat's it20:35
L29AhKotCzarny: i've added | to the touchscreen thingy20:36
L29Ahbut i guess i'll remap some stuff to the hardware keys eventually20:36
L29Ahthe keyboard is more awesome than i thought20:36
KotCzarnyive mapped long press z to ~ and long press c to |20:36
L29Ahthe learning curve is quite gentle20:36
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KotCzarnyits pretty easy20:36
KotCzarnyand there are examples in the wiki20:37
princefakhanKotczarny: is there any gui for mapping keys.20:37
KotCzarnynope20:37
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KotCzarnybut you have to edit simple text file20:37
KotCzarnyreally20:37
princefakhanoh!20:37
L29Ahthere's a straightforward description file in x20:37
bencohL29Ah: just remap everything :)20:38
L29Ahi won't20:38
L29Ahi like the default mappings for now20:38
KotCzarnybut missing ~ and | is a bummer20:38
bencohwell, I mean, for the missing chars20:38
KotCzarnyfor shell20:38
L29Ahexcept the currency stuff20:38
bencohyeah20:38
princefakhancan I get a link for this stuff20:38
L29Ahprincefakhan: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/20:39
bencohhttps://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard20:39
L29Ahrx-5120:39
princefakhanthanks.20:40
L29Ahi wonder how much power does a composite video output consume20:42
* L29Ah has a sick idea of turning n900 into a proto-wearable computer hooking a cheap HMD in it20:42
princefakhannot a great idea I guess.20:43
princefakhanthe phone alone is bulky enough20:43
L29Ahi have a 2l waistbag always w/ me20:43
L29Ahand a 50l backpack when i'm out20:44
princefakhanoh! :)20:45
L29Ahwearable computer must be super kool20:45
L29Ahhttp://twiddler.tekgear.com/20:45
princefakhanI would like a computer inside my hand.20:45
princefakhanlike in deus ex20:45
L29Ahcan't google it out20:46
princefakhancan't what google out?20:46
L29Ahthe deus ex thing20:47
princefakhanoh! well deus ex is just a game series.20:47
KotCzarnyhttp://www.eecs.umich.edu/eecs/about/articles/2015/Worlds-Smallest-Computer-Michigan-Micro-Mote.html20:47
KotCzarnycomputers are already small enough20:48
L29Ahanyway, where do i get the fcam thing?20:48
KotCzarnyits about interfaces20:48
L29Ahi have community{,-testing} and extras{,-testing}20:48
princefakhanthe protagonist has it surgically installed ynder his skin.20:48
bencohfcam is in extras20:48
bencoh-testing should be fine/enough20:49
princefakhanL29ah: u get can't find fcam when u apt?20:49
KotCzarnyextras-testing, what a wonderful place for user's software needs!20:49
L29Ahprincefakhan: yep20:49
bencohKotCzarny: please no ;p20:49
KotCzarny:P20:49
princefakhanKotczarny: ah yes.20:49
L29Ahhuh? :320:49
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bencohL29Ah: apt-cache search fcam20:49
KotCzarnyor apt-cache search camera20:49
L29Ahwhoa fcamera20:49
L29Ahthx20:49
bencohand/or apt-cache policy fcam-drivers20:49
princefakhanI had a thought about maemo.org's motto.20:50
L29Ahdpkg thing didn't find it20:50
DerHatcan anybody give me a maemo compatible sources.list? mine is empty.20:50
KotCzarnydpkg is raw20:50
bencohdpkg doesnt handle repositories20:50
KotCzarnyapt is more intelligent20:50
DerHatand slow20:50
princefakhantoo much noise. I forgot the motto.20:50
bencohDerHat: there is one around on the "downloads.maemo.nokia.com down" thread20:50
L29AhDerHat: https://bpaste.net/show/3809b41265ae20:51
L29Ahi use this20:51
DerHatohh you got unstable:P20:51
KotCzarnywhat is that bokomoko thing?20:51
princefakhanL29ah: what cam apps u currently have installed20:51
L29Ah"unstable" as in "3y fresh" instead of 4y?20:51
bencoh:))20:52
KotCzarnyahm, navit20:52
princefakhanhaha.20:52
princefakhanL29ah: uninstall them first. and install them again.20:53
L29Ahfailed to make navit draw zoom in/out icons btw ;[20:53
L29Ahand zoom in/out via volume buttons20:53
KotCzarnysource included, hackaway?20:54
L29Ahfcamera hanged yay20:54
L29AhKotCzarny: it's DEEEEBIAAAAN20:54
KotCzarnywhat is?20:54
L29Ahthe thing that handles the keys now20:54
KotCzarnyerm20:54
DerHatwhere is yappari oO? or an other whatsapp client....20:55
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KotCzarnycontext failed20:55
princefakhanDerHat: testing I guess.20:55
L29Ahi'm afraid to recompile the parts of the system20:55
KotCzarnynavit isnt part of the system20:55
L29Ah(so i grow a gentoo chroot in emmc instead :O)20:55
KotCzarnyit's optional app20:55
L29AhKotCzarny: i guess i need to hack the volume control sw to let go the keys20:56
L29Ahotherwise navit won't get the keypresses20:56
KotCzarnynow that would be a pain20:56
L29Ahas far as i understand Xorg20:56
KotCzarnyin ppython you just need to add a flag to windowing system20:56
KotCzarnyprobably same thing in x20:57
KotCzarny  self.w0.window.property_change(gtk.gdk.atom_intern("_HILDON_ZOOM_KEY_ATOM"), gtk.gdk.atom_intern("20:57
KotCzarnyINTEGER"), 32, gtk.gdk.PROP_MODE_REPLACE, [1]);20:57
KotCzarnyso you have to add that atom somewhere near x window init in navit20:58
DerHatextra devel, here we go21:02
KotCzarny:>21:02
L29Ahwow sick stuff21:03
* L29Ah goes to read how does this work21:03
KotCzarnyhttp://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/howto_grab_all_maemo5_zoom_key_events_in_sdl-sdl_gles_app/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=121:03
KotCzarnyhere you have c example21:03
DerHatL29AH you want take control over volume-buttons?21:03
L29Ah:*21:03
L29Ahi don't know what i want21:04
DerHatokay21:04
KotCzarnyhe wants to zoom with volume keys21:04
KotCzarnyin navit21:04
L29Ahi'm actually quite surprised the maemo community is still alive21:04
L29Ahas the packages seem old and rotten21:04
KotCzarnycheck if someone didnt have a patch already21:04
KotCzarnyl29ah: do you listen to music?21:05
L29Ahi plan to21:05
L29Ahdidn't try yet21:05
princefakhanmaemo community is very hopeful.21:05
* L29Ah is gradually moving from an android phone21:05
KotCzarnyif you like oldschool playing check my oscp player21:05
krbtgt_i'm still waiting for modern OpenSSH21:05
L29Ahkrbtgt_: go gentoo21:05
krbtgt_but my daily driver is a Lumia 52021:05
KotCzarnykrbtgt_: dont wait, hack one21:06
L29Ahit's yet to be able to do calls tho21:06
krbtgt_the batteries are just larger capacity versions of the N900's21:06
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princefakhanwell, the maemo motto I was talking about is this.21:14
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princefakhanMaemo, we always be testing.21:14
KotCzarnynot true21:15
KotCzarnyi dont use -testing repos21:15
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princefakhanthen what. devel.21:15
KotCzarnyyup21:15
princefakhanme too.21:15
KotCzarnybut only when the software is missing from extras21:15
L29Ahwho maintains those repos btw?21:16
princefakhanoh! well I always install apps from testing or devel.21:16
KotCzarnycommunity21:16
KotCzarnyas nokia is no more21:16
princefakhanI'm confused. doesn't hildon own maemo.org21:16
Sicelohildon is software :)21:17
KotCzarnyhildon is a foundation21:17
Sicelolulz21:17
KotCzarnyhttp://hildonfoundation.org/21:17
KotCzarny:)21:17
KotCzarnyits not only maemo21:18
Siceloheh, that's not hildon21:18
princefakhanhildon foundation.21:18
ecc3ghildon is annoying ... no source :(21:18
princefakhani guess they made hildon.21:18
KotCzarnyThe Hildon Foundation, founded in September 2012, is a nonprofit organization elected by the21:18
KotCzarnyMaemo Community to represent it in legal and other official matters and to preserve the maemo.org infrastructure21:18
Sicelohildon? afaik large parts of hildon are open-source21:18
Siceloand Hifo did not make hildon21:18
princefakhanwell so are many core maemo softwares.21:18
KotCzarnythey have one member, he he21:19
L29Ahi guess i meant "how is community and extras different?"21:19
KotCzarnyand jum jagielski photo is oversized, hehe21:19
princefakhanokay. this is interesting.21:19
KotCzarnyl29ah: never used community repos21:19
KotCzarnyi only use extras21:19
L29Ahi got wireless-tools from community afair21:20
L29Ahwanna share 3G via wifi21:20
KotCzarnyisnt there an app for that?21:20
princefakhana closed source one. Joikuspot or something.21:20
L29Ahit pulls wireless-tools21:20
L29Ahthe opensource one21:21
KotCzarnyhttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/mobilehotspot/21:21
L29Ahye, it does21:21
princefakhanahh. there is also a open sourrce one.21:21
princefakhanyes. that.21:21
L29Ahokay now all the camera sw went fubar21:22
KotCzarnyhehe, fcam21:22
L29Ahi guess the reinstalling advice made sense21:22
princefakhan:D21:23
L29AhHmm, seems like the AutoRemover destroyed something which really21:26
L29Ahshouldn't happen. Please file a bug report against apt.21:26
L29Ahi got debian!21:26
KotCzarnynever ever use autoremove21:27
KotCzarnyeven on debian21:27
KotCzarny:)21:27
L29Ahwell, the corresponding gentoo feature works fine (:21:27
Siceloif you look at what autoremove wants to remove, and you 'know' all of the packages to remove, then it's safe to use21:28
* Sicelo has used it many times on maemo21:28
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L29Ahfcamera shows only gray screen instead of image21:31
L29Ahgooglable sry21:32
princefakhanjust reading about hildon. on the wiki it says that hildon is part of gnome now.21:33
L29AhPackage omap3camd is not available, but is referred to by another package.21:33
L29AhThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or21:33
L29Ahis only available from another source21:33
L29AhE: Package omap3camd has no installation candidate21:33
princefakhanso is there a better alternative for desktop env on linux tablets21:34
L29Ahokay i guess i've made a mistake purging this on21:34
princefakhanesp. maemo21:34
SiceloUNITY :)21:34
Sicelohaha21:34
KotCzarnybah21:34
KotCzarnygood gtk theme21:34
KotCzarnyand you are good21:34
KotCzarnyno need for twinkies21:34
KotCzarnyand crapload of deps21:34
princefakhanhmmm. lol. not good with customisations.21:34
princefakhanI prefer out-of-the-box.21:35
KotCzarnynokia made one for you21:35
princefakhanyeah. its good enough.21:35
princefakhanbut I'm open to changes.21:35
KotCzarnythe file is 150kB long21:36
KotCzarnyso its a pain in the ..21:36
KotCzarnybut if you arent picky you can make nice finger friendly theme in ~10-30lines21:37
princefakhanooh! looks like I have to start learning all dem languages now.21:37
princefakhanI sit all day at home and do nothing.21:38
KotCzarnygtk theme is not a language21:38
KotCzarnyjust a bunch of keywords21:38
princefakhanoh.21:38
princefakhanwell still...21:38
princefakhanI sit at home doing nothing. xD21:38
KotCzarnyand you can google for gtk2 themes21:38
L29Ah You can only locate the package through your device and/or the SSU repositories of your device and the package is non-distributable.21:39
L29Ahwat21:39
princefakhan:)21:39
KotCzarnyl29ah: if in doubt, reflash21:39
L29Ah;O21:39
KotCzarnybut hacking is fun21:39
princefakhanhaha. looks to me. he has to. in a while.21:39
KotCzarnyand one can learn most from breaking things21:40
KotCzarnyand trying to fix them21:40
princefakhanKotczarny: I have.21:40
princefakhanevrytime I reflash my phone is because I break it.21:40
princefakhanand learn more about it.21:40
KotCzarnyi reflashed it only when new firmwares popped out21:40
KotCzarnynever really broke it so seriously i couldnt make it work21:41
princefakhanu mean the stock nokia fw21:41
KotCzarnyyes21:41
KotCzarny1.321:41
princefakhanwell u r not a child like me.21:41
princefakhanthis device introduced me to linux21:42
L29Ahomap3camd.deb any1?21:42
L29Ahi promise i won't tell nokia you sent me it!21:42
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L29Ahor how is it called, microsoft mobile?21:42
princefakhanL29ah: I suppose it must be in repos somewhere.21:42
princefakhanoh! right. we have mirrors I think.21:42
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L29Ahdoesn't seems to be on repository.maemo.org21:43
princefakhanit must be in the nokia repos. or msft mobile. lol.21:44
princefakhanI'm talking about those repos' mirrors21:44
KotCzarnyoh, and never use dpkg to remove packages (unless you know what you are doing)21:48
KotCzarnyapt will check dependencies and breakages21:49
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bencohL29Ah: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1467566&postcount=11221:52
bencohprobably there21:52
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DerHati flashed my n900 using this emmc RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and this other file RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin now i got no email (*#06# is empty) what can i do without flash again??21:53
DerHatemail lol i mean imei21:53
L29Ahbencoh: :*21:53
princefakhanbencoh: I just realized I have the nokia repos still enabled.21:54
princefakhanand ham makes me cringe everytime I open it.21:54
princefakhanso thanks.21:55
bencohyw :)21:56
princefakhanL29ah: those are the mirrors for nokia repos if u r wondering.21:56
princefakhan:)21:56
princefakhanwill the repos come back or stay down.21:57
princefakhanI'm really bad at reading long posts. I stopped following tmo posts cuz I was away for a time.21:58
princefakhanoops. threads.21:58
L29Ahk fcamera is fucked anyway21:59
bencohprincefakhan: most probably stay down21:59
princefakhanhmmm.21:59
princefakhanL29ah: I believe u fucked up ur phone.22:00
L29Ahno way22:00
princefakhanomap packages are essential I guess.22:00
bencohDNS say "go hang yourself", and when asking the (akamaï) repository server (dns entry in /etc/hosts) you dont get any positive result22:00
bencohL29Ah: fcamera works22:00
bencohpretty well22:00
princefakhanbencoh: haha.22:00
KotCzarnybencoh: maybe it need special kernel?22:00
bencohor more recent drivers22:01
bencohiirc -testing fcam-drivers wont work with kp5522:01
L29AhLinux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power53 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 10 13:52:39 UTC 2014 armv7l unknown22:01
bencoherr, 53 :)22:01
bencohor 52 for that matters22:01
L29Ahwhat kernels do you guys use?22:02
KotCzarnyLinux x61 3.16.0+ #2 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 21 17:55:27 CET 2014 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7300  @ 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux22:02
princefakhanwhen are fcam drivers needed exactly. if u have fcamera u have those drivers too. right?22:02
KotCzarnyi use this one22:02
bencohI'm still on 52 with fcam-drivers 1.0.7-222:02
L29AhKotCzarny: x201 > x6122:02
KotCzarnyx61 is nice22:03
KotCzarnybut x40 is the best!22:03
L29Ahi meant on n90022:03
KotCzarnybencoh: so which kernel/fcam driver one should have?22:04
L29Ahprincefakhan: yeah they were pulled and asked me to reboot22:04
bencohKotCzarny: dunno, I only know what I'm using22:04
princefakhanWell then I have kp53 (i guess that the latest one) and fcamera22:05
bencohbut I'm pretty sure 1.0.6 fcam-drivers are too old for kp5322:05
princefakhanworks fine.22:05
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L29Ah1.0.7-1 there22:05
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L29Ahbencoh: where did you get -2?22:05
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L29Ah-devel?22:05
KotCzarny:>22:06
bencohI think they're in devel ... I had those rebuilt in scratchbox though :)22:06
KotCzarny-devel, even better place for userend software then -testing!22:06
KotCzarny;)22:06
bencohMEH ;)22:06
princefakhanhaha.22:06
KotCzarnyoscp got 5 votes!22:06
bencohpush it to free instead of non-free and it'd probably get 2522:07
KotCzarnyunlikely22:07
KotCzarnyi bet it will get 622:07
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princefakhantmo folks are not well informed about how the packages get pushed i guess.22:07
KotCzarnybut yes, im considering free22:08
bencoh\o/22:08
bencohat last22:08
princefakhanif they are theu don't know where to vote22:08
KotCzarnynope, it was a plan from the start22:08
princefakhanI didn't too.22:08
princefakhanoh! okay.22:08
KotCzarnyprincefakhan: i put the link into my signature22:08
KotCzarnywith description and polite request22:08
KotCzarnyso it's not that they didnt know how or where to22:09
KotCzarnyjust didnt bother22:09
L29Ahokay the stock camera fucks up when i pull the hook to block the device22:09
L29Ahor it just times out itself22:09
princefakhanbut why. it is not the plan I guess.22:09
L29Ahand fixes by rebooting22:09
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KotCzarnyL29Ah: remove fcam before using stock cam22:09
L29Ahi did22:09
L29Ahand rebooted22:09
L29Ahgot the behaviour i came with22:10
princefakhanI guess its more that they don't bother.22:10
KotCzarnyk, might be something else blocking it22:10
KotCzarnywhat dmesg/logs say?22:10
L29Ahwhat logs?22:11
L29Ahnothing interesting in dmesg22:11
KotCzarnydont know if messages or debug in /var/log is used22:12
bencohthere are no interesting logs unless you start syslogd ;)22:12
KotCzarnyyeah22:12
KotCzarnywas going to suggest it22:12
KotCzarnyyou can run camera from terminal22:12
L29Ahno metalog :[22:12
L29Ahk22:12
L29AhNote, selecting sysklogd instead of syslogd22:14
KotCzarnybut remember to not leave it running22:14
KotCzarny /tmp is only 1MB or so22:15
KotCzarnyi mean /var22:15
KotCzarnyor both22:15
Sicelo /var is on the rootfs .. 'unlimited' (of course rootfs itself is limited, unfortunately)22:16
KotCzarnyright, still, rootfs is very limited22:17
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L29AhW: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package binutils22:20
* L29Ah wonders if binutils will get pulled on n900 someday22:21
KotCzarny:)22:21
KotCzarnyi did pull them on mine22:21
L29Ahstill no syslogd22:21
L29Ahdid you mean sysklogd?22:21
KotCzarnyas i did gcc/g++ etc22:21
KotCzarnyyes22:21
L29Ahg++ failed to compile boost on n90022:21
L29Aheating all the ram and swap22:21
KotCzarny4.2 is old22:21
L29Ah4.8.3 :P22:22
KotCzarnymake more swap22:22
L29Ahno, i'll setup some qemu-user and nfs stuff22:22
KotCzarnyswap over nfs over wifi?22:22
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KotCzarnyyou can also use distcc22:23
L29Ahno, compiles on a pc pulling toolchain and headers from and installing ready packages to over wifi22:23
KotCzarnycould be easier22:23
L29Ahdistcc won't save me from stuff like ghc that i will eventually want to have22:23
L29Ahdamn22:24
L29Ahneed to stop hacking22:24
L29Ahstart doing useful stuff22:24
KotCzarny;)22:24
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L29Ahcamera-ui somehow doesn't want to start from a terminal22:32
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L29Ah~]camera-ui22:32
L29Ahmethod return sender=:1.34 -> dest=:1.107 reply_serial=222:32
L29Ahmethod return sender=:1.40 -> dest=:1.108 reply_serial=222:32
L29Ahit doesn't quit, just doesn't spawn a window22:33
L29Ahdidn't get any cues from /usr/share/applications/hildon/camera-ui.desktop22:33
L29Ahyay the devel fcamera works!22:37
bencoh:)22:37
L29Ahand it survives the hook22:38
L29Ahthank you22:38
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bencohL29Ah: syslogd is in busybox-power iirc22:39
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L29Ahwow 5cm focus22:42
L29Ahthat's unexpected22:42
L29Ahfcamera doesn't use the flash :(22:42
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bencohtry rawcam :)22:43
L29Ahalso wtf it didn't put the captures to the target dir22:44
L29Ahbut somehows shows me them in the ui22:44
L29Ahah it's owned by root22:45
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L29Ahwhoa DNG22:50
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L29Ahzsh: segmentation fault  cameratopam photo2015.05.03_22.46.21.51.dng22:55
L29Ahnice job22:55
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