IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2015-04-14

M4rtinKcp -r red orange00:00
M4rtinKand a new orange theme shows up in Options00:00
M4rtinKBTW, I think the themes menu in Options should use a multiple item selector, not toggle00:01
M4rtinK :)00:02
M4rtinKBTW, looking at the code you can already sorta do live editing00:04
M4rtinKit loads the theme config every time the theme is switched00:04
M4rtinKso if you edit it and switch to another theme and back the changes should show up at once00:05
M4rtinKno need to restart modRana00:05
sixwheeledbeastWell I hacked the theme and cp'ed the red and made an orange. Oh no restart :)00:05
sixwheeledbeastI suppose this will persist a package update?00:06
M4rtinKI think it should00:09
M4rtinKbut keep a copy just in case :)00:09
M4rtinKor symlink it from a safe location :)00:09
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: I just spotted the bottom left box on the map window is non-themeable :)00:10
M4rtinKyep, that's another area in need of improvement00:10
M4rtinKand I'm sure there are more elements like this00:10
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: could you maybe note all such unthemable items somewhere ?00:11
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: I only found that one00:11
sixwheeledbeastbut I will let you know :)00:12
M4rtinKI'll make an issue for that :)00:12
sixwheeledbeastOh the zoom arrows too.00:12
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sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: zoom arrows, search text.00:13
M4rtinKsearch text ?00:14
sixwheeledbeastmake a search for a place and the text and point is "blue"00:14
M4rtinKoh, you mean the point markers00:15
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: yer but I realises the POI's are Green and the Search is Blue00:16
M4rtinKsure, but there should be separate options for POI & Green colors00:17
M4rtinKPOI & search colors00:17
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sixwheeledbeastseperate options?00:18
M4rtinKthat the theme should have separate color constants for search result points and POI points00:19
M4rtinKso that those two sorts could be themed separately00:20
sixwheeledbeastOk, so that's another enhancement or available already?00:21
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sixwheeledbeastah,  issues/9200:23
M4rtinKit should be relatively easy to fix once I know all the places where theming is not applied00:24
sixwheeledbeastOk a few more things ... :)00:25
sixwheeledbeastIs it possible to display the current zoom level on the map GUI?00:25
sixwheeledbeastTake the desktop version for example there is no hildon banners to display the level, you have to check in downloads.00:26
M4rtinKgood point!00:26
sixwheeledbeastI say desktop version but well I mean on a desktop.00:26
M4rtinKI think that desktop usage enhancements are quite important00:27
M4rtinKeven though the UI is primarily optimized for touch usage00:27
M4rtinKit is still really handy to have modRana on desktop :)00:28
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: also the messages that do happen on the desktop hang around until you zoom in or out.00:28
M4rtinKI think the zoomlevel could be displayed on the scale indicator00:28
M4rtinKlike "60 m (zl 1500:29
M4rtinKwhich messages ?00:29
sixwheeledbeast"all search results cleared" for example. Yes I think Zoom Level can be (L15) adj the scale bar00:30
sixwheeledbeastAlso these messages are not themed either ;)00:31
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M4rtinKoops :D00:31
sixwheeledbeastThey don't appear on the N900 version AFAIK00:32
sixwheeledbeastNo they are hildon banners there.00:33
M4rtinKmodRana uses the system notifications00:33
M4rtinKon N90000:33
M4rtinKthose blue ones are built-in "fallback" ones00:33
M4rtinKit might make sense to use a desktop notification API00:34
M4rtinKat least when the modRana window is out of focus00:34
sixwheeledbeastmaybe, they are fine but annoying that you have to refresh the map to get rid. Glad the zoom level doesn't pop up too that would be awkward :D00:35
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RiDthe SIM issue is starting to hunt my 2 N900s :(00:36
sixwheeledbeastRiD: paper in the battery tray trick?00:36
RiDone of them no longer accepts any SIM, always gives an error, the other one failed once, had to reboot00:36
RiDnever tried the paper, but i did try bending the pins00:37
M4rtinKM4rtinK: yeah, that's N900 specific on purpose :)00:37
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: ^^00:37
M4rtinKas the Hildon banners are less obtrusive00:37
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sixwheeledbeastRiD: If bending pins and paper in the tray fails you device is probably parts only I am afraid00:38
M4rtinKis also serves as feedback when using the vole keys for zooming00:38
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: :nod:00:38
RiDguess I can use it as a hammer00:38
RiD(right now i'm using the SIM failed one as some sort of iPod)00:39
sixwheeledbeastRiD: new motherboard eventually00:39
RiDtoo expensive, I have other priorities right now, so I'm sticking with my N900s as much as possible00:39
bencohdont bend the pins :(00:39
sixwheeledbeastRiD: I understand00:40
RiDbut i'm going to try the paper one, did not remember of that00:40
bencoha third n900 might be an option00:40
RiDi do have a 3rd one LOL00:40
RiDparts only, was sort of a scam00:40
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: least query before I investigate my tiles issue...00:40
RiDthe body is in horrible conditions, it boots to the NOKIA logo, then shuts down. You even see the screen "fading out" slowly, like some gameboys did00:41
RiDtried USB, it was solid but could never get it to being detected00:41
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: On starting modRana with no fix the tiles do not load, do you need a fix before the tiles will display?00:42
bencohhow does modrana compare to marble these days ?00:42
bencoh(perfs, fonctionalities ...)00:42
sixwheeledbeastnever used marble00:42
M4rtinKbencoh: it is still being developed for mobile devices #unlike Marble :)00:43
bencoherr :)00:43
bencohright ... true :)00:43
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M4rtinKbencoh: also I found the Marbel UI kinda chaotic on the N900 and N9 (?)00:44
bencohprobably not the best they could've come with, but not that bad00:45
M4rtinKsure, modRana does not have a map projected on sphere, but actually works :)00:45
bencohthe only things that bothers me with it is the freaking slow/broken offline fuzzy search00:45
RiDJust tried the paper trick, nope. Boots, and instead of asking for pin, it says that all functions are disabled (...)00:45
M4rtinKbencoh: Marble has that ?00:46
bencohoffline exact search works well, online search (fuzzy by default) too00:46
sixwheeledbeastWould be nice to view the map while waiting for a GPS fix, for example.00:46
bencohbut it's sooo slow you'd think it doesnt00:46
bencohit uses the POI database00:46
bencoh(that you can configure/download for monav)00:46
M4rtinKBTW, modRana can use Monav data for routing :)00:47
sixwheeledbeastI use monav, seems ok.00:47
M4rtinKand there is a global data repository for it: :)00:47
sixwheeledbeastwell I have found plenty of map errors with it :(00:47
M4rtinKits is as good as the source data :)00:48
M4rtinKBTW, I've recently forked Monav: :)00:48
bencohwhy ?00:49
M4rtinKthe idea is to cut out all the GUI stuff, daemon/server modes, protocol buffers00:49
bencohoh, because monav is dead I guess00:49
M4rtinKand just have a simple headless routing utility that consumes JSON input and returns JSON results00:49
M4rtinKbencoh: that's another reason00:50
M4rtinKbencoh: but it is still the best routing code I've seen so far :)00:50
M4rtinKI think even OSRM is based on it00:51
M4rtinKbut the project itself is unfortunately dead as doornails00:51
M4rtinKthere is a Sailfish OS port though:
M4rtinKthat actually inspired me to start on the monav-light project00:53
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sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: so monav-light could be packaged up with modrana?00:54
sixwheeledbeastInstead of the current download and drop the files in the monav folder00:55
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: yep00:55
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: sweet!00:55
M4rtinKeither installed as a dependency or bundled00:55
M4rtinKdata file handling would be the same00:55
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M4rtinKwell, at least until some sort of download UI is done00:56
M4rtinKcurrent plan is to use it on desktop, Sailfish OS and Android00:57
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M4rtinKI have actually succeeded in compiling it for all three00:57
M4rtinKI don't have a working Maemo 5 SDK so I can't build it for the N90000:58
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: how is address to address routing with monav looking, I believe it's not possible for some reason?00:58
M4rtinKit does just point to point routing00:58
M4rtinKbut it has some sort of address lookup support00:59
sixwheeledbeastWell I believe ~sb links will point you to a Maemo SDK00:59
infobot_i heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, hosted by maemo now. Also at
infobot_methinks sdk is or "wget"00:59
M4rtinKthe offline address search is just not yet exposed in either the old Monav routing server modRana currently uses on the N900 or in monav-light01:00
merlin1991~sb is the same stuff01:00
infobot_...but sb is already something else...01:00
sixwheeledbeast:) infobot we know01:00
M4rtinKbut I plan to add it to monav-light eventually01:00
bencohM4rtinK: marble uses monav as well01:01
bencoh(that's one of the several backends, and the only offline one)01:01
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: both links are dead :)01:02
M4rtinKbencoh: yep, I know01:02
M4rtinKbencoh: but Monav by default only exposes routing data01:02
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M4rtinKbencoh: and only either over a C++ interface or over a protocol buffer based network interface01:03
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z01:03
M4rtinKbencoh: which is a huge overkill & unneeded dependency01:03
M4rtinKbencoh: and even that does not expose other data types like adress search (tournament trie)01:06
M4rtinKbencoh: that was another reason why I started on the monav-light project01:06
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: downloading the VM image01:08
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: do you have any experience with it :01:08
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: ?01:08
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: yep it works that's about it...01:08
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: good to hear that :)01:09
M4rtinKI would like to build monav-light01:09
M4rtinKand also PyOtherSide for Maemo 5, if possible01:09
M4rtinKthat would make running the Qt 5 GUI possible01:09
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: I have a VM with debian and scratchbox build from scratch years ago that I normally use. But I have installed and played with the Ubuntu VM in the last 12 months too.01:11
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: as long as I can add this:
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: I should be able to build monav-light01:12
bencohmonav-light is qt5-based ?01:13
bencoh(is that still "light" ? ;)01:13
M4rtinKbencoh: even "normal" Monav is Qt based01:13
M4rtinKeven the non GUI stuff01:13
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: I have a VM with debian and scratchbox build from scratch years ago that I normally use. But I have installed and played with the Ubuntu VM in the last 12 months too.01:13
sixwheeledbeastIIRC everything is there, if you know your way about Gnome2 interface then you can switch off locking screensaver too.01:14
sixwheeledbeastWhich is annoying01:14
M4rtinKI think only the most low level routing calculations are "plain" C++01:14
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: I'll probably just SSH to it :)01:14
M4rtinKbencoh: it is actually quite handy that it is Qt based - I'm for example using the QJsonDocument class introduced in Qt 501:15
M4rtinKfor JSON input/output01:15
M4rtinKQt 5 is basically the only outside dependency01:16
M4rtinKso no need to hunt down obscure stuff, compile it and than compile against that01:16
M4rtinKhelp a lot01:16
M4rtinKespecially with my marginal C++ knowledge :)01:17
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Luke-Jranyone happen to know what happened to psycho_oreos?01:35
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sixwheeledbeast~seen psycho_oreos01:40
infobot_psycho_oreos <~no@unaffiliated/tuxsavvy> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 477d 7h 40m 4s ago, saying: 'Nevermind, problem seems fixed. Thanks anyways.'.01:41
antranigvhay guys, how can I find the sources of a program? gTranslate to be more exact.01:41
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antranigvahh, garage, okey thanks all! (:01:44
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totalizatorhave you seen latest posts at TMO?10:11
bencohoh oO10:12
sixwheeledbeasttotalizator: reported now.10:12
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zGrrmoin :)10:55
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antranigvany working twitter client ? i tried Khweeteur, but couldn't log in.12:53
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DerHatCan we change status text in current yappari version?20:01
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DerHatim not sure cause my connections tell there is still the old text20:02
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antranigvguys, how to update the kernel on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS ? it's still 3.1322:26
KotCzarnythat's what you get for using lts22:26
KotCzarnyeither go current or lts22:27
KotCzarnyunless you want to compile one yourself22:27
sixwheeledbeastantranigv: as above LTS is long term support, so only critical updates.22:29
antranigvwell, I use Funtoo (gentoo variant), it's for my friend, he's having problem with the WiFi, they told me that the 3.15 has the driver (: so it looks like he has to upgrade22:29
merlin1991antranigv: he could check
merlin1991I got my ath9k based card running on debian (3.2.0 kernel) with that22:31
antranigvthanks merlin1991 (: I'll check that.22:32
sixwheeledbeastWhy LTS and not latest?22:32
antranigvsixwheeledbeast: I have no idea, but if the WiFi will work with the latest, I'll ask him to install that one (:22:34
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sixwheeledbeastantranigv: It would be the simplest, IMO
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sixwheeledbeastAlso 15.04 is due to be released in the next few weeks22:36
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sixwheeledbeastthat's if you are sure 14.10 will fix it.22:38
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scottcI have this strange bug where my screen sometimes seems to be scaled to about 75% in a window in the middle of the screen23:30
scottcon my N90023:30
scottcanyone seen this before?23:30
scottcI've only noticed it since adding the SSU but I haven't had it for very long either23:31
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merlin1991it's when the video driver goes bonkers23:50
merlin1991reboot seems to be the only way to fix it23:50
merlin1991I've only ever had it twice23:50
sixwheeledbeastI have had it once, reboot,23:51

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