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KotCzarnyvajb: thx, will take a look10:31
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phlixigood morning :-)10:56
phlixirecently i spoke with a friend about "the good old n900", and i wanted to show him10:56
phlixithus i put it out of the drawer and now email does not seem to work any longer10:57
phlixiis this some comon thing?10:57
KotCzarnywell, i dont use app based email only via browser, but may i interest you in my audio player?10:58
phlixii have two accounts and one strato account, both do no longer download emails (imap) and both cannot be used for sending10:58
phlixiwhen trying to send it just says "fehler" (english "error") besides the mail in the "post ausgang" (I guess psomething like "outbox"?)10:59
KotCzarnyunless changed something (maybe expired certs?)10:59
KotCzarnyor maybe they have changed ports/protocols10:59
phlixipretty sure they dont,10:59
KotCzarnycheck just in case10:59
phlixiat least strato didnt10:59
KotCzarnyalso, try updating to cssu11:00
KotCzarnyas that's what's currently most updated (system wise)11:00
KotCzarnybut as i said, check if they have chenged config (imap/smtp settings)11:01
phlixiits  along time ago when i actually used the n900... in settings => product info it says version: 21.2011.28-111:02
phlixii compared email settings to those on thunderbird, they seem to be the same11:02
phlixibut i can imagine, that they might no onger accept ssl3.0 and that thunderbird uses tls 1.2 instead or the like...11:03
phlixi(without having me changing it... just due to updates)11:03
phlixiis this: where i start?11:04
phlixiyeah, looks like the place to start...11:06
phlixithanks KotCzarny ;-)11:06
KotCzarnyand remember about oscp11:06
KotCzarny(my audio player, multiplatform, core-remote design)11:07
phlixii do not think i will use media on the device at all11:07
KotCzarnysee core-remote part11:08
KotCzarnyyou can install core on htpc connected to your hifi and control it from n90011:08
KotCzarny(or vice versa)11:08
KotCzarnybut that's assuming you listen to music at all11:08
phlixiactually rarely11:09
KotCzarnyit can play videos as well, so you can think of it as a video remote too11:09
phlixisometimes, and then it comes off of gpodder :-)11:09
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sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: ~beasttweaks ;)14:29
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infobot_from memory, beasttweaks is
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bencohthis should go here as well15:42 issues:
bencohdoes it work for anyone ?15:43
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bencohkerio: do you have a backup of /ovi/ ?15:54
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bencohusing the old (akamai) ip address ( doesnt give anything :/16:00
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zGrrmoin :)17:47
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fishbulbhey i'd like to get bluemaemo working18:40
fishbulbso i can use my favourite little keyboard with an andrid tablet18:40
fishbulbit has never worked as a keyboard mouse type thing. i would have thought it used the touchscreen for mouse and keyboard for typing, but i get a useless onscreen keyboard worse than any android one.18:42
* Sicelo has never had to use it .. but seems most people are struggling to get it to work18:45
Vajbworks fine18:49
Vajbfishbulb: search for bluemaemo in there is instructions18:50
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Sicelowow, nice19:02
VajbSicelo: got it to work too? :)19:04
Sicelono. i have no use for it at this time. but happy that it still works. we had someone here past few weeks who struggled .. i don't remember who19:08
Vajbme either, but i remember trying to help him too19:10
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hariainmTMO is been spammed right now19:44
hariainmis there any mod here?19:45
hariainmnevermind, everything ok now19:46
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M4rtinKnew modRana is out:
M4rtinKmap display should be improved quite a bit on the N900, especially for overlays21:04
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totalizatorwhy my thread at TMO is tagged "spyware" and "telescam" and I can't remove them?21:07
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scottclooks like it was done by an angry user with 1 post21:14
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nealThe nokia repos are no longer available.  Is there a mirror somewhere?21:54
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: hi o/ thx for the update to modRana :)21:56
sixwheeledbeastDownloading the latest for N900 and my desktop now...21:57
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M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: note that the Fedora package repository COPR is not yet updated22:05
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: but just cloning the release tag should work fine :)22:07
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sla_erickis anyone still alive?22:41
infobot_methinks tabletsdev is , (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site, or
sixwheeledbeasterr yer.22:42
sla_erickooh I see that there are some images still up :)22:42
sla_erickdoes that means that I can still develop for the n900?22:42
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sixwheeledbeastsla_erick: yes22:43
infobot_extra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, hosted by maemo now. Also at
sla_ericksixwheeledbeast so the fastest way is to download the image: "Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z" ??22:44
sla_ericksorry for the stupid question, but is it ready to go? to start writing an example app for the n900?22:45
sixwheeledbeastready to go in what way?22:47
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M4rtinKI'm actually also looking for a working N900 devel environment22:49
M4rtinKautobuilder is fine for building modRana packages, but I'd like to try building some libs and I need a working SDK for that :)22:49
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: I have a few questions/ideas on modRana if your not busy22:50
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: sure, go ahead :)22:50
sixwheeledbeastk let me find the notes file I had...22:51
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sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: ok for starters, how can I update my tiles, say if OSM data has been updated?22:55
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: using batch download - you can tell it to only download tiles you already have22:56
M4rtinKI think :D22:57
M4rtinKI'm trying to remember what "update" does22:57
sixwheeledbeastwell i tried update and on so I am not sure.22:57
M4rtinKI think I remembered22:57
M4rtinKupdate - only download tiles you already have22:58
M4rtinKON -> download all tiles in the area, even those you already have22:58
M4rtinKI really need to document this somewhere :)22:58
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sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: That makes sense but I have edited OSM and update or on has not resulted in new tiles?22:59
M4rtinKif you see the updated tiles in browser23:00
M4rtinKmodRana should download them23:00
M4rtinKwith update or ON23:00
M4rtinKkeep in mind it downloads the base layer if you have map overlay enabled23:00
M4rtinKor the current layer if overlay is not enabled23:00
sixwheeledbeastWell let me check mapnik on browser again, I know this takes time to update at OSM23:01
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sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: there are changes in the browser that are not updating on N900.23:03
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M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: that's weird23:04
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: ok well I'll come back to that.23:05
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: One useful feature for me would be a "clear" button on the main map GUI, to clear away ANY routes or searches from the screen, without poking through nested windows to clear different things.23:07
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: yeah, the current ways of doing that are not ideal23:11
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: but I wonder where it should be placed23:11
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: as the screen is already quite cluttered, especially when routing23:12
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sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: Well, bottom right?23:12
M4rtinKthat's where the routing buttons are23:12
sixwheeledbeastonly while routing or search is active?23:12
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sixwheeledbeastAdjacent the route tools button? Where edit would be23:13
M4rtinKI'm thinking about adding a top level menu called Map23:14
M4rtinKthat would have easy access to switching map layers23:14
M4rtinKand could also have a "clear map" button23:14
M4rtinKwould still be 3 clicks though, but it would be more consistent than the current state23:15
M4rtinKI think those two could be combined - have a Map->clear map button in the menu by default23:16
M4rtinKand an optional maps screen button that could be enabled from options23:17
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: sounds good23:18
M4rtinKcould even be combined with the route buttons when they are displayed to save space23:18
sixwheeledbeastalthough top level menu is getting busy only one space left.23:19
M4rtinKwell, the menus can be multipage :)23:20
M4rtinKbut that really should be avoided for the toplevel one :)23:21
sixwheeledbeastThen again Route, POI and Search could be merged nicer IMO.23:22
M4rtinKyeah, I'm thinking about merging some of them23:22
M4rtinKat least "tracklogs" and "log a track"23:23
sixwheeledbeast:nod: agreed there23:23
M4rtinKshould be under "tracklogs" as "list tracklogs" and "record tracklog"23:23
M4rtinKmaybe others later23:24
M4rtinKI was also thinking about giving some order to the toplevel menu items23:27
M4rtinKbut don't want to destroy peoples muscle memory :)23:27
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sixwheeledbeasthmm M4rtinK sorry internet issues.23:35
sixwheeledbeastI would say a "Navigate", "Mode", "Search", "Clear All", "Options", "Download", "Tracks", "Info" and "Exit" would cover all.23:35
sixwheeledbeastI mean there are two POI menus already too, on the top level and the options level.23:35
sixwheeledbeastI can understand Options level, Navigate Level and Search Level but not top level too, IMO.23:35
M4rtinKwell, almost anything has an options menu23:37
M4rtinKbut having a navigate menu that contains route & poi items could work :)23:37
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sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: I think so. :)23:43
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: Ok next question is themes? How easy is it to add one? Could you put an Orange one in to match "Digital Nature" N900 theme?23:45
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M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: made a note how the top level menu reorganization could look like:
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: it's basically just a single configuration file & bunch of images23:47
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: I think you can easily do a new theme :)23:48
M4rtinKmore or less23:48
M4rtinKcd /opt/modrana/themes23:49
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M4rtinKcp night orange23:49
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: So what's to stop the images being the same and the colours changing via a GUI? Example: Theme > Silica > Select Colour?23:49
M4rtinKand start tweaking the theme.conf23:49
M4rtinKthat would work in principle23:50
sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: I have made a Orange theme on my desktop version, editing all the "red" items in theme.conf to "orange"23:50
sixwheeledbeastTheme to me equals layout not colour if that makes sense?23:50
M4rtinKnice :)23:50
M4rtinKwell, it's pretty much just color definitions in modRanas case23:51
M4rtinKBTW, it should be possible to package modRana themes as individual packages :)23:52
sixwheeledbeastSo maybe a few themes with basic colour picker options would be good. This would save the need for theme packages.23:52
M4rtinKthere even already is one, but I'm not sure if it actually still works23:53
M4rtinKtwo things are needed for that23:53
sixwheeledbeastIMO theme packages clutter the repos.23:53
M4rtinKa UI for changing the colors23:53
M4rtinKand a way of making the changes persistent23:53
sixwheeledbeastBut I can see the reason behind them23:53
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M4rtinKyeah, people should have the option of installing them23:54
M4rtinKso that apps don't have to bundle everything by default23:54
M4rtinKanother issue with the persistence is, that the theme files are read-only at runtime23:55
M4rtinKas they are installed at package installation time23:55
M4rtinKso some sort of override would need to be supported in a user writable folder23:56
M4rtinKthat would be used when people start fiddling with the colors23:56
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sixwheeledbeastM4rtinK: but you can make a new theme and restart modRana then use it?23:58
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: yep, that's already possible23:58
M4rtinK...I think :)23:58
sixwheeledbeastWell that's what I did on the desktop anyway, I didn't want to play with my N900 .conf files.23:59
M4rtinKyep, just did it on my N90023:59

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