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| * Sicelo wonders what has changed now in work Wi-Fi network .. seems PSM is borked :( | 09:45 | |
| KotCzarny | could be some interference | 09:45 |
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| Sicelo | i suspect misconfigurtion of the Cisco APs. the problem is consistent, and been this way for at least two weeks now. i am positive it's not my N900 because PSM still works fine when I'm at home. | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | cisco doesnt care about psm | 09:58 |
| Sicelo | huh? | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | they make security equipment | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | not best in mobile | 10:00 |
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| Sicelo | psm has nothing to do with mobile KotCzarny. it's just a wireless feature. and cisco routers have all that's needed to support it just fine. at lest that's what i understand about psm | 10:02 |
| KotCzarny | as i understand psm my introduce lags | 10:04 |
| KotCzarny | maybe someone was unhappy and turned it off | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | s/my/may/ | 10:05 |
| Sicelo | yes, agreed | 10:05 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: you have (had?) some problems with the autobuilder? | 10:05 |
| Sicelo | but that person would have to be hanged, lol. all you need to do is fix the client for that, not the AP | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon: mostly user induced, feedback from the possible errors would be very helpful during initial learning the system | 10:06 |
| freemangordon | so autobuilder works fine? | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 10:07 |
| freemangordon | ok | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | apart from being unintuitive | 10:07 |
| freemangordon | :) | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | and debugging possible failuires requires human help | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | why don't you just email the errors to the maintainer of the package? | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | oh, and btw. when i create a project it doesnt auto assign me as a maintainer | 10:08 |
| freemangordon | no idea why nokia decided it that way | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | that could be considered a bug | 10:08 |
| freemangordon | create a project? | 10:09 |
| freemangordon | where? | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | on garage | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | i mean | 10:09 |
| freemangordon | that is unrelated | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | i created oscp project | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | then i want to upp it to ectras-devel | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | *extras | 10:09 |
| freemangordon | btw I have no idea who is the garage maintainer | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | it's my project so why isn't it auto assigned to me? | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | no no, in garage it's still fine | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | but when i upload to extras-devel it doesnt autoassigns it to me | 10:10 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: if you use extras web interface, it will assign you | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | does extras web interface allow non-free packages? | 10:11 |
| * freemangordon checks | 10:11 | |
| freemangordon | hmm, no | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | see? | 10:12 |
| freemangordon | wasn't aware | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, it should autoassign the maintainer through scp too | 10:12 |
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| freemangordon | I guess it uses .dsc or .changes file for that | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 10:13 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I am back to the broken facebook API | 10:14 |
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| bencoh | 09:12 < KotCzarny> anyway, it should autoassign the maintainer through scp too | 11:46 |
| bencoh | hmm, it doesnt, even for -free packages ? | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | dont know about free ones | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | so, changing topic, my dictionary skill is failing, how do i search for adapter from headphone out to line in? | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | citing kerio: impedance something something | 11:57 |
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| Vajb | line in as in amplifiers? | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 12:08 |
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| Vajb | 3.5mm jack to rca | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | no, see the impedance something something part | 12:08 |
| Vajb | hmm | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | i definitely get better sound out of pc soundcard than n800's | 12:09 |
| Vajb | i never gave any thought to impedance | 12:09 |
| Vajb | do u use same line in for n800 and pc soundcard? | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | switch them for testing | 12:10 |
| Vajb | probably same audio file too | 12:10 |
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| Vajb | Sicelo: is there a way to prevent udhcpc to get new ip? Because it seems that it always gets new ip and therefore disconnects my gprs. | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | connect manually | 12:17 |
| Vajb | can i tell udhcpc which ip to use? | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | that question is ambigious | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | and not the correct one i think | 12:18 |
| Vajb | dunno what ambigious means :) | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | has more than one meaning | 12:18 |
| Vajb | k | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | my guess is that when interface connects, new instance of udhcpc is spawn | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | so one would have to connect to gprs manually (without dbus and stuff) | 12:20 |
| Vajb | but what if gprs is already connected? | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i always hated networkmanager | 12:21 |
| Vajb | thats's the line from Sicelo's script "udhcpc -i wlan0 -h N900-Linux" | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | that depends on the script that made it connected | 12:21 |
| Sicelo | if you don't want udhcpc, don't call it from the script. comment out that section, and then set a static IP for your wlan0 interface. wpa_supplicant will leave ip stuff alone | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | well | 12:21 |
| Sicelo | :) | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | dont use udhcpc for wlan0 | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | just set static | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | right | 12:22 |
| Sicelo | tbh, i still don't quite understand why you're doing this in the first place, but still a nice opportunity to learn some networking | 12:23 |
| bencoh | Vajb: getting a (new) ip on wlan0 shouldnt "disconnect" gprs | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | he wants to have cellular internet all the time and be able to use local wifi sometimes | 12:24 |
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| bencoh | your real issue here is probably the fact that you get a default route | 12:24 |
| Vajb | just occasionally to use scp via wifi without disturbing already open gprs connection :) | 12:24 |
| Sicelo | just i noticed that he has internet on the wifi ... that's why this baffles me | 12:25 |
| KotCzarny | maybe he gets in and out of wifi coverage | 12:25 |
| KotCzarny | or wants power saving | 12:25 |
| Vajb | i can't scp to my phone via gprs thats why i need wifi | 12:26 |
| Sicelo | :) | 12:26 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: your wifi already has internet, right? if you're connected to it, you can both browse/whatsapp, as well as scp locally | 12:27 |
| Sicelo | but yes, ymmv | 12:27 |
| Vajb | yep, but it's just that minor inconvenience of lost connection on irssi when i change from gprs to wlan | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | setup ircbouncer | 12:30 |
| Vajb | maybe im just stupid or fussy or whatever :) | 12:30 |
| Vajb | sometimes point of doing something isn't the act itself, but the fact one can do it :) | 12:30 |
| Sicelo | :) | 12:31 |
| Vajb | ok what if i change my resolv.conf to 0.0.0.0? | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | you will fail | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | it's the ip of dns resolver | 12:32 |
| Vajb | lol what a suprise | 12:32 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: just don't call udhcpc and you'll be fine | 12:33 |
| KotCzarny | if you really want to make it static use google's dns resolver (8.8.8.8) | 12:33 |
| KotCzarny | or opendns | 12:33 |
| KotCzarny | 208.67.222.222 | 12:33 |
| Vajb | but there is ip address in resolv.conf and it is different than resolv.conf.gprs | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | system only uses resolv.conf | 12:34 |
| Sicelo | that came from udchpc | 12:34 |
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| Sicelo | maemo's /etc/resolv.conf is generally best left alone, pointing to 127.0.0.1. dnsmasq takes care of the rest | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | i use opendns | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | and pdnsd | 12:35 |
| Vajb | oh there is another | 12:35 |
| Vajb | i was talking about /var/run/resolv.conf | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | system uses /etc/resolv.conf | 12:36 |
| Vajb | ok | 12:36 |
| Sicelo | yes Vajb, that comes from udhcpc ... when you don't call udhcpc, that resolv file will not be there | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | but dnsmasq can be patched to look for those /var/run/ confs | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | havent checked if it's the case | 12:37 |
| Vajb | so should /var/run/resolv.conf be same as /etc/resolv.conf? | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | depends | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | what do you want ? | 12:38 |
| Vajb | ah, but u already know that :D | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | i dont know how 'intelligent' is dnsmasq on n900 | 12:39 |
| Sicelo | you don't need the one in /var/run. you also probably don't need to adjust the one in /etc either | 12:39 |
| * Vajb has a feeling that all this will end to reflash sooner or later | 12:39 | |
| KotCzarny | you are doing backups of the files you change? | 12:39 |
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| Vajb | sure | 12:39 |
| Vajb | actually didn't change anything. Just speculated | 12:40 |
| Sicelo | the scp you do ... you use IP addresses, i suppose, or you have a full-blown dns server on your local network? | 12:40 |
| Vajb | i use ip | 12:40 |
| Sicelo | so you don't need any other resolv.conf files. leave them all alone | 12:40 |
| Vajb | and wifi router choose wich ip to give for my device | 12:41 |
| Sicelo | oh no, lol.. so you do need udhcpc, or can you tell the router to give your N900 a static IP? usually you need to give it MAC address | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | he can setup wifi manually | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | without any udhcpc | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | all he needs is to note what network it's assigning | 12:42 |
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| Vajb | there is maybe six devices which use that router | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | (ie. the ip he has on wifi interface) | 12:42 |
| Sicelo | wifi is manual already .. via wpa_supplicant. the issue now is ip addressing. but yeah, i guess i don't like too much hacks | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | no, wpa_supplicant doesnt assign ip | 12:44 |
| Sicelo | doh | 12:44 |
| Sicelo | of course it does'nt | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | he is using ip or ifconfig to set it (or udhcpcd) | 12:44 |
| zGrr | moin :) | 12:45 |
| Sicelo | i think i've said that lota of times now | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | hi zgrr | 12:47 |
| Vajb | once i did that route del and add stuff it worked, but problem is it's needing it always | 12:47 |
| Vajb | and also when it needs it it's disconnecting gprs | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: he is learning basics of networking, so all in all he is gaining from the experiment | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: it's needed because udhcpcd mangles routes | 12:48 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: add the route del command in your connect script? | 12:49 |
| Vajb | i did it! | 12:50 |
| Sicelo | doesn't run? | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:50 |
| Vajb | i got wlan connected and i didn't disconnect here, right | 12:50 |
| Sicelo | ok. | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | just dont run udhcpcd for wifi | 12:51 |
| Vajb | no no udhcpc | 12:51 |
| Vajb | just ifconfig wlan0 ip i want | 12:51 |
| Sicelo | i just hope Vajb hasn't also learned that udchpc has a problem lol. <<10:47 < KotCzarny> sicelo: he is learning basics of networking, so all in all he is gaining from the experiment10:47 < KotCzarny> sicelo: he is learning basics of networking, so all in all he is gaining from the experiment>> | 12:52 |
| Sicelo | that would mean we've taught the wrong lesson | 12:52 |
| zGrr | ehlo KotCzarny | 12:53 |
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| KotCzarny | udhcpcd doesn't have a problem, it's just the way system is set up | 12:53 |
| Vajb | hehe it's not about how much we learn, but how much we remember tomorrow | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | if you write a script and comment it inside, you're good | 12:54 |
| Vajb | yes i have scripts modified now | 12:57 |
| Vajb | getting things work the way i want (no matter how strange) makes me happy :) | 13:04 |
| bencoh | Vajb: what does /etc/network/interfaces say ? | 13:09 |
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| bencoh | oh and, regarding dnsmasq/resolv.conf and /var/run, see /etc/dnsmasq.conf, you can safely add/remove /var/run/resolv.conf, maemo shouldnt write there, and dnsmasq will use it | 13:10 |
| Vajb | bencoh: i suppose it's at stock state. I didn't touch it. | 13:14 |
| Vajb | all files in /var/run are listed in /etc/dnsmasq.conf | 13:16 |
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| totalizator | there used to be Maemo.org Application Download Statistics but it's not working anymore; is there a way to access the data? | 15:48 |
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| KotCzarny | i think it's 'not official' | 15:58 |
| KotCzarny | and times out when trying to access some resource | 15:59 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/download-stats2/index.php?unixname=oscp&os=Maemo5 | 16:00 |
| KotCzarny | could be because of some html rewrite | 16:00 |
| totalizator | it's just broken, yes | 16:02 |
| merlin1991 | statistics are broken, nobody managed to revive them yet | 16:07 |
| KotCzarny | i can | 16:11 |
| KotCzarny | and also i can add builder/uploader emailer | 16:11 |
| KotCzarny | (while i'm at it) | 16:11 |
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| totalizator | that would be great | 16:16 |
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| KotCzarny | huh, what did i miss? | 16:21 |
| merlin1991 | nothing | 16:22 |
| KotCzarny | so, any chance of fixing it? | 16:22 |
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| KotCzarny | i offer my help with fixing it | 16:34 |
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| Vajb | hmm i guess something broke after all. Now email client and opera can't connect to internet. | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | most likely dns resolver | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | try ping google.com from terminal | 16:56 |
| Vajb | seems like it's not getting any answer | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | want a quickfix or good fix? | 16:57 |
| Vajb | "bad adress www.google.com" | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | right, that means your resolver is broken | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | ie. not set | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ? | 16:58 |
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| KotCzarny | doh | 16:59 |
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| Vajb | upz accidentally closed this window | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | noticed | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf | 17:02 |
| Vajb | nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | so it's set for dnsmasq | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | now | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | ls /var/run/resolv.conf* | 17:02 |
| Vajb | and it seems that it was my gprs strangely | 17:02 |
| Vajb | because when i started irssi again it couldn't connect | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | no, it doesnt matter | 17:03 |
| Vajb | and now when i connected gprs again it works | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | to connect you have working dns resolver | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | it reset /var/run/ files | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | if you want a fix follow me | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | if not, say it so | 17:04 |
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| Vajb | wait i'll run ls var stuff | 17:04 |
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| Vajb | ls /var/run/resolv.conf* | 17:05 |
| Vajb | /var/run/resolv.conf /var/run/resolv.conf.gprs | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | cat /var/run/resolv.conf | 17:06 |
| Vajb | cat /var/run/resolv.conf | 17:06 |
| Vajb | nameserver 192.168.1.1 | 17:06 |
| Vajb | nameserver 192.168.1.1 | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | is that your wifi router? | 17:07 |
| Vajb | today i used .2 but otherwise same | 17:08 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 17:09 |
| Sicelo | yes, it is. remember his routing table yesterday ;) | 17:09 |
| KotCzarny | i'm thinking how to easily setup his dns | 17:09 |
| Vajb | let my try to understand my problem first | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | for a quickie: echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /var/run/resolv.conf | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | to connect you have 2 things | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ working internet connection | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | 2/ set up dns resolver server | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | 1 was working | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | 2 is to be able to translate google.com into ip | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | thats why irc worked, but didnt reconnect | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | if you do the line i pasted, it will setup dnsmasq to try opendns servers | 17:12 |
| Sicelo | don't you want to have him just remove that resolv.conf? resolv.conf.gprs is all he will need. but whatever you prefer | 17:12 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 17:12 |
| KotCzarny | it will break system | 17:12 |
| Vajb | so irssi, yappari and facebook chat stayed connected because they were connected at the first place, but device couldn't make new connection for opera and email because of what i did earlier? | 17:12 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: you could have connect to irc if you used /connect 2.3.4.5 etc | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | to /connect irc.some.server | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | you need set up dns resolver | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | that will translate irc.some.server into | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | 2.3.4.5 | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | so, ping 8.8.8.8 would work | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | but ping google.com not | 17:14 |
| Sicelo | i think i'm not good at explaining ... system will *not* break with the absence of /var/run/resolv.conf. this file recreates itself on every successful connection (much like maemo's /etc/fstab) | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, ahm, i thought you have suggeste3d removing /etc/resolv.conf | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:14 |
| Sicelo | for connections established from connection UI, the created file is /var/run/resolv.conf.if_name, e.g. resolv.conf.wlan0 | 17:15 |
| Vajb | :D im somewhat confused | 17:16 |
| Vajb | let me get this straight | 17:16 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: ignore me, haha. i'm drunk | 17:16 |
| Vajb | im having everything working now. If i run my scripts to use scp everything which is connected stay connected, but new connections are not possible. And if i remove /var/run/resolv.conf it'll fix it, but file will be recreated at some point. Was it even close? | 17:18 |
| Vajb | Sicelo: haha drunken experiments r the best coz u never know if u can remeber to reverse what u did before passing out | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: nope, it's not the problem | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | dnsmasq reads all resolv.conf* files and contacts those dns servers | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | my guess is that /var/run/resolv.conf is static/generic one | 17:20 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: i think we must see those scripts, what do you say? (i think there's still a udhcpc in them ..) | 17:20 |
| Vajb | then what if i put same stuff in resolv.conf than resolv.conf.gprs? Hmm i think i asked that already | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | and .something are used next depending on the route | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: no, no need to duplicate | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | put the line i gave you | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /var/run/resolv.conf | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | then for a test do: mv /var/run/resolv.conv.* / | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | then try: ping google.com | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | we will see if that file is working | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 17:24 |
| KotCzarny | dnsmasq could be caching those files | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | just removed all of them for test | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | so something reloads dnsmasq on connect/disconnect | 17:25 |
| Vajb | only difference was different ip for ping reply | 17:26 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, if you put the line i gave you you will have 'static' dns server along others | 17:27 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: upstart | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: you can use 8.8.8.8 instead of 208.67.222.222 | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | 208. one is opendns | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | 8. is google | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | opendns generally works ok, sometimes it returns bogus results for inexistent domains | 17:28 |
| Vajb | i c. Does it have any flaws compared to original? | 17:29 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: i would like to see your connect script if that's alright with you :) | 17:29 |
| Vajb | other than that i mean | 17:29 |
| Vajb | ok Sicelo | 17:30 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: unless google or opendns go bandit way, no | 17:30 |
| Vajb | i'll paste it in parts | 17:30 |
| Vajb | #!/bin/sh | 17:31 |
| Vajb | modprobe wl12xx | 17:31 |
| Vajb | echo "Shutting down Wireless daemon" | 17:31 |
| Vajb | stop wlancond | 17:31 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: pastebin.com ? | 17:31 |
| Vajb | echo "Setting up the WNIC" | 17:31 |
| Vajb | ifconfig wlan0 up | 17:31 |
| Vajb | iwconfig wlan0 power saving 4 | 17:31 |
| Vajb | hmm neat idea lol | 17:31 |
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| Vajb | annoying problem | 17:35 |
| Vajb | when im on pastebin edit mode it fills my screen and i can't get back from there | 17:35 |
| Vajb | in opera on device | 17:35 |
| KotCzarny | use microb ? | 17:36 |
| KotCzarny | or go back into windowed mode | 17:36 |
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| Vajb | http://pastebin.com/4dWJnM8m | 17:40 |
| Vajb | disconnect script is | 17:41 |
| Vajb | #!/bin/sh | 17:41 |
| Vajb | ifconfig wlan0 down | 17:41 |
| Vajb | sleep 2 | 17:41 |
| Vajb | killall wpa_supplicant | 17:41 |
| Vajb | sleep 2 | 17:41 |
| Vajb | modprobe -r wl12xx | 17:41 |
| Vajb | well now that i think of it i could have deleted those useless lines, but i was lazy and just commented them out | 17:43 |
| Sicelo | i think you must delete the /var/run/resolv.conf then .... shouldn't come back again as far as i can tell | 17:43 |
| Sicelo | the `iwconfig wlan0 power saving 4 | 17:43 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, having opendns or google dns there wouldnt break anything | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | and can be helpful for his situation | 17:44 |
| Vajb | actually iwconfig line is the line it whines that command is not found | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | will serve as a always available server | 17:45 |
| Sicelo | the `iwconfig wlan0 power saving 4` might slow things down ... if so, experiment with lower numbers, or even remove it completely. just that the wifi chip will deplete battery fast without | 17:45 |
| Sicelo | oh | 17:45 |
| Sicelo | you can install that Vajb (if you feel you need it) | 17:45 |
| Vajb | wlan is on only few minutes to one hour so i guess it doesn't matter | 17:46 |
| Sicelo | cool. | 17:47 |
| * Sicelo connects for 8 hours with wpa_supplicant, so without that line it gets really bad | 17:48 | |
| Vajb | mostly i need scp when i have added new album or audiobook to laptop and wanna listen on go | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | add nfs to your network | 17:48 |
| Vajb | radiostreaming through gprs is another story for battery drainage | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | vajb, might i interest you in my player? (oscp) | 17:49 |
| Vajb | nfs=need for speed, but i guess not :p | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | nfs=network file systenm | 17:49 |
| Vajb | i have special need on there too | 17:50 |
| Vajb | i use mplayer for streaming | 17:50 |
| * Sicelo uses mplayer too.. but | 17:51 | |
| Vajb | and i use 60mb cache to be able to pause broadcast for lunch break etc | 17:51 |
| Sicelo | ah, i was about to ask why not the built-in media player | 17:51 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: ahm, i might add setting cache in config | 17:52 |
| Vajb | yes that's the reason. I was asking of setting cache for open media player | 17:52 |
| Vajb | can ur player also dumpstream? | 17:52 |
| Vajb | because i need that too | 17:53 |
| Vajb | hmm actually possibility to listen growing files would remove my need for big cache | 17:53 |
| Vajb | listen and rewind that is | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | vajb, if i add such option, yes | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | never tried what would happen | 17:54 |
| Vajb | wanna try? | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | right now i'm preparing packages for n8x0 and n900 (added some other feature) | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | might try after that | 17:56 |
| Vajb | try dumping stream via mplayer and listening it to ur player and try to rewind past startup point | 17:56 |
| Vajb | mplayer can rewind till that and then it claims it reached end of file | 17:56 |
| timeless | anyone here familiar w/ ddwrt? | 18:01 |
| * timeless is trying to set it up and is only halfway through the headaches | 18:01 | |
| KotCzarny | whats the problem? | 18:01 |
| Vajb | not me for sure | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | run it, connect wia www interface | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | click click, done | 18:01 |
| timeless | i installed mini | 18:02 |
| timeless | but i need voip | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | check for wiki recipes | 18:02 |
| timeless | and their web site(s) are totally incomprehensible | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | try openwrt's one | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | should be at least similar | 18:02 |
| timeless | ddwrt definitely has it in theory | 18:02 |
| timeless | I'm running DD-WRT v24-sp2 (05/27/13) mini (SVN revision 21676) | 18:02 |
| timeless | http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_DD-WRT%3F#V24_pre_sp2_K26 | 18:03 |
| timeless | claims i want k2.6 VOIP | 18:03 |
| timeless | but unless i'm missing somehting, i can't figure out where that *is* | 18:03 |
| timeless | please say i'm missing something obvious:) | 18:03 |
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| timeless | ok | 18:05 |
| timeless | maybe i should just try openwrt | 18:05 |
| Vajb | Sicelo: just to let u know. Removing /var/run/resolv.conf seems to have worked problem. Just tried wlan on and off and everything seemed to work before and after. | 18:06 |
| Vajb | worked=fixed | 18:06 |
| timeless | KotCzarny: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start doesn't list e1200 | 18:06 |
| timeless | which isn't particularly reassuring | 18:06 |
| timeless | https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=41206 isn't reassuring either | 18:07 |
| timeless | *sigh*, such a pain... | 18:16 |
| timeless | worked around by adding a stun server | 18:16 |
| Vajb | KotCzarny: btw about nfs. At one point i tried to share folder in windows vista, but after spending some fruitless hours on it. I decided that scp to device is just so much easier for me :) | 18:17 |
| timeless | Vajb: yeah. nfs is never the right answer :) | 18:17 |
| bencoh | timeless: I guess you were looking for http://lwn.net/Articles/271597/ ? | 18:17 |
| bencoh | (merged in mainline as nf_nat_sip) | 18:18 |
| bencoh | (and nf_conntrack_sip) | 18:18 |
| timeless | bencoh: i can't understand that entry | 18:19 |
| bencoh | timeless: basically what you need on a linux router/nat to make SIP work | 18:19 |
| timeless | there's something called | 18:19 |
| timeless | Milkfish SIP Router | 18:20 |
| bencoh | oww | 18:20 |
| timeless | i was expecting to try to get my router to run that | 18:20 |
| timeless | because that's the only thing google turned up | 18:20 |
| timeless | http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Siproxd | 18:20 |
| timeless | n.b. i don't want a particular solution, i just want things to work | 18:20 |
| bencoh | seriously I'd try netfilter nat/conntrack before proxying/rerouting SIP and RTP | 18:20 |
| timeless | bencoh: that article vaguely implies i probably need unencrypted sip | 18:21 |
| timeless | ideally (but probably not in reality), my sip should be encrypted :) | 18:21 |
| bencoh | timeless: correct | 18:21 |
| timeless | anyway, a stun server isn't a big pain | 18:21 |
| bencoh | otherwise you wouldnt be able to fetch the RTP addr/port in the INVITE | 18:21 |
| timeless | it's just "yet another annoying step" | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | i have no problem using nfs | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | even with windows | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | though its harder, but doable | 18:25 |
| timeless | smb/sftp/afs all seem like better choices than nfs | 18:27 |
| * timeless wonders if anyone recognizes afs | 18:27 | |
| bencoh | andrew, or apple ? | 18:28 |
| timeless | andrew | 18:29 |
| timeless | although there is apparently a fuse client for the latter called afpfs-ng | 18:30 |
| bencoh | huhu | 18:30 |
| KotCzarny | timeless: not being supported by openwrt could mean it castrated much | 18:30 |
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| timeless | KotCzarny: that doesn't sound great :) | 18:31 |
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| Luke-Jr | I think my external battery thing does not like doing both input and output concurrently :| | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | connect it directly instead of internal battery? | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | ie. all li-ion drivers are compatible (though some battery packs are able to be charged with higher current and some not) | 20:36 |
| Luke-Jr | :x | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | i mean, people connect 2 bl-5j | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | so it's not that charging circuit is picky | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | so if you want big pack, be the one and connect it to n900! | 20:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:41 |
| Luke-Jr | reason I got external was so I can keep using it when I replace N900 | 20:42 |
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| KotCzarny | but it would be interesting how big battery pack can be driven by n900 | 20:43 |
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| Luke-Jr | I *am* considering disassembling it.. | 20:46 |
| Luke-Jr | freaking high pitch noise | 20:46 |
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| Vajb | Luke-Jr: i was wondering if that noise comes from transformer which is badly lacked. Dunno if it can be redone somehow... | 21:18 |
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| KotCzarny | vajb: oscp happily plays mp3 that is still downloaded | 21:19 |
| KotCzarny | and can rwnd/ffwd it | 21:19 |
| Luke-Jr | Vajb: it definitely comes from the external unit in my case | 21:20 |
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| Vajb | Luke-Jr: i remember hearing something about "rebaking" noisy transformers in the oven, but better google it first than to trust me | 21:21 |
| Luke-Jr | XD | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 21:21 |
| Sicelo | haha. sounds like simplest way to make a bomb and kill yourself | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | if you manage to soften glue without softening soldering medium.. | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | but his device most likely is noise because of lack of caps | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | (capacitors) | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | but yes, it can be also loose transformer wire | 21:23 |
| Vajb | KotCzarny: let me give u an example. File is downloaded 50mb when i start to play it. I start playing it through mplayer and it shows 50min. I can rewind till i reach 50min and then it says end of file even tho file has grown to lets say 120min while i was listening. | 21:24 |
| Sicelo | baking it won't melt the insulation on the strands of wire? i think you would end up with a massive short-circuit | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: if you try to ffwd more than its downloaded, decoder hits end of file | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | but as long you dont do that, it plays | 21:25 |
| Vajb | so ur player knows to rewind past that 50min mark instantly without restarting playback? | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | and you can later ffwd past the earlier end point | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | no, my player doesnt know the filesize | 21:25 |
| Vajb | hmm sounds bit like mplayer behaviour then | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | so it can rwnd/ffwd as much as i want | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | but if the time bar is not right, only +/-15s is implemented | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | (but enough to quickly move through file | 21:26 |
| Vajb | it's not matter of file at the moment, but file size when i choose to play | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: my player just plays if there is data to decode | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | doesn't care what decoder says about totaltime/size | 21:26 |
| Vajb | ok. In mplayer i can forward 1min interwals by pressing up arrow and 10s interwals by pressing right arrow | 21:27 |
| Vajb | hmm then it seems bit smarter than mplayer | 21:27 |
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| Vajb | oh yeah one big thing is also that pulseaudiothingy. With mplayer it seems to be quite powerhungry | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | unfortunatelly | 21:29 |
| Vajb | i launch mplayer with -ao pulse setting | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | it's n900 'feature' | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | unless you play through headphones/lineout, you SHOULD play through pulseaudio | 21:30 |
| KotCzarny | but if you don't use internal speakers you can use alsa as audio output | 21:30 |
| Vajb | im using headphones while i work | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | pity they didn't opt for hardware filterfor internal speakers | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | k, i can prepare alsa version just for you, if you want | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | but remember that playing without pulseaudio filter can and will damage internal speakers | 21:31 |
| Vajb | oh | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | design fail | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | at nokia | 21:32 |
| Vajb | so if i accidentally unplug my headphones it will explode my speakers | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | no | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | not instantly | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | but it's a bit as driving speakers with too powerful amp | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | they will break, sooner or later | 21:33 |
| Vajb | that just makes me wonder how come nokia didn't add self destruct button :p | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | they did | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | nokia is no more | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | if you havent noticed | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:33 |
| Vajb | their phone department was egologic enough. Dissolved itself | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | nokia is now b0rgassimilated | 21:34 |
| Vajb | nokia+microsoft=nosoft | 21:35 |
| Vajb | would have been cool productname | 21:35 |
| Vajb | but about ur player. What about dumpstream? | 21:35 |
| KotCzarny | microsookia | 21:35 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: haven't implemented because wasn't on features i needed | 21:36 |
| Vajb | ok | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | might add to todo | 21:36 |
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| Vajb | actually doesn't matter since i would have to keep two instances open anyway. One for dumping and other for playing the dumb | 21:37 |
| Vajb | so i guess it wont make a difference (power consumption in mind) if it's mplayer and urs or two times urs. I guess... | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | well, stream saving doesnt use pulseaudio, right? | 21:39 |
| KotCzarny | btw. you can use mplayer with alsa output too | 21:39 |
| KotCzarny | -ao alsa | 21:39 |
| KotCzarny | but remember my warning | 21:39 |
| Vajb | yes i know, but i thought that pulse is only solution with n900 | 21:40 |
| Vajb | is also supported by default or i need some extra packages? | 21:40 |
| Vajb | alsa* | 21:40 |
| Vajb | alsa also | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | by default | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | pulseaudio uses alsa as backend | 21:41 |
| Vajb | hmm will try that nextime | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | just adds some system glue and filter | 21:41 |
| Vajb | just to see difference | 21:41 |
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| KotCzarny | but, first try if pulse audio eats cpu when you have headphones connected | 21:42 |
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| Vajb | but i guess 4h of dumbing and listening will still need some charging :) | 21:42 |
| Vajb | no 5 hours | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | yup, constant wifi activity, even without playing | 21:42 |
| Vajb | gprs ;) | 21:42 |
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| KotCzarny | still, constant activity | 21:44 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: 3G? or 2G? | 21:44 |
| Vajb | 3g or 3.5g | 21:45 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: there's a filter patch for the kernel, but it was removed from power kernel because it affected headphones too :/ | 21:45 |
| Sicelo | ok. haha. my next question would have been the bitrate of youur stream | 21:45 |
| Vajb | pulse didn't show up with just phones plugged | 21:45 |
| Vajb | 128kbps | 21:46 |
| Vajb | they don't send better i guess or that's just what mplayer chooses | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer chooses first stream in a playlist, then next after error etc | 21:47 |
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| Sicelo | do we have an epub reader for maemo which can highlight/annotate/comment/etc.? | 22:07 |
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| Vajb | i tried several readers, but didn't like any of them | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: coolreader rocks (at least on android) | 22:21 |
| Vajb | nvm i switched to audio books | 22:21 |
| Vajb | mobipocket reader was kinda good | 22:21 |
| Vajb | back in e90 days | 22:21 |
| Vajb | it seems that atm i don't have any reader installed | 22:22 |
| Vajb | Sicelo: if u know reader wich can do what u want, but file is wrong format u can also try calibre and convert it to anything u want | 22:23 |
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| Sicelo | for maemo i use dorian. seems minimal enough for my needs. but i miss highlighting | 22:24 |
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| Vajb | what about fbreader? | 22:31 |
| Sicelo | found it to be a bit bloated, and slow | 22:37 |
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| Sicelo | it's good for pc | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | coolreader3 ftw! | 22:38 |
| Sicelo | android specific? or is it available for pc too? | 22:39 |
| Sicelo | i see.. QT.. maybe i should try build that in SB | 22:40 |
| Sicelo | um, no source? | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | pity, maybe we should ask the author to make a maemo package | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | it should be fairly easy for him | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | CoolReader 3.X is free open-source (GPL) multiplatform version under active development. | 22:47 |
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| Sicelo | i didn't see anywhere to download source. is there a link? | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | http://sourceforge.net/projects/crengine/files/CoolReader3/cr3-3.0.56/cr3_3.0.56.orig.tar.gz/download | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | this one maybe? | 22:50 |
| Sicelo | ah, sourceforege. just found. thx | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | http://sourceforge.net/projects/crengine/files/CoolReader3/cr3-3.0.56/cr3_3.0.56-7.debian.tar.gz/download | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | or this one | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | ok, nite nite | 22:51 |
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