IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2015-03-02

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KotCzarnycompiling gcc 4.8.408:41
KotCzarnycc1: out of memory allocating 4294967272 bytes after a total of 786432 bytes08:41
KotCzarnyfun, isn't it?08:41
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bellocciociao a tutti belli e brutti09:19
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Vajbis it possible on n900 to have gprs and wlan connection on same time?11:32
KotCzarnyis n900's gps any good?11:33
Vajbgps or gprs?11:33
KotCzarnyas for connection, just try to enable both11:33
Vajbonly tested it few times, but seems to be fine11:34
Vajbwell if i change from one to another it disconnects11:34
KotCzarnythen i guess you have to use terminal commands11:34
Vajbso i was wondering if there is a hack for it :)11:34
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KotCzarnyenable gprs then use cmdline to enable wifi manually11:35
Vajbi need wlan only when i need to copy something to phone or vice versa and it's annoying to have everything else disconnected11:35
Vajbneat idea will see what happens11:36
KotCzarnyamazing, i rebuilt oscp and libs with -O3 and binary size went from 4.7M to 4.311:37
Vajbdon't say anything important now coz i will disconnect because of connection change :p11:37
Vajband congrats of that11:37
KotCzarnyuse sme irc bouncer11:37
Vajbi guess it means improved code11:37
KotCzarnymight be unstable11:37
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KotCzarnygoing to package it for test11:37
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Vajbso far it seems that one can only connect to wep wifi from cmd line11:52
Vajbnot wap which im using11:52
bencohwpa*. but we have some daemon to handle it ... I dont remember its name11:53
Vajbah yes sorry for my spelling11:57
Vajbso u say it is possible to connect to wifi and gprs simultaneously?11:58
bencohI didnt say that, I havent tried :)11:59
bencohjoiku does it so it's probably doable ;)12:00
bencohyou'd just need to see how it configures everything12:00
KotCzarnyhardware wise it's possible, don't know about system network manager going mad12:00
Vajbbut isn't joikus point to use gprs connection and share it through wifi?12:04
Siceloyes, it is possible to connect to both simultaneously :)12:13
Sicelouse wpa_supplicant for 'fancy' wifi networks12:15
VajbSicelo: could u possible spoon fed it to me <312:15
Sicelowhy do you want to do this in the first place?12:17
bencohooh, we do have wpasupplicant in extras12:19
Siceloyes :)12:19
Vajbim usually connected to gprs with im, yappari, etc and i only need wifi to move stuff from computer via scp occasionally12:19
Vajbso everything disconnects when i change to wifi and vice versa12:20
Sicelobasically you want to `stop wlancond`, then use wpa_supplicant to connect the wifi. just check that your default route doesn't get changed12:20
Vajbactually not that important. Just minor inconvenience12:20
SiceloVajb: this is same as any linux machine ... so any tutorial out there will get you going :)12:20
Vajbok looking for wpa suplicant over google now12:21
Sicelo is a little script i use to connect to wifi using wpa_supplicant12:25
Siceloyou will not need the dbus lines for your use case12:25
Siceloof course the wpa_supplicant.conf is your job ;)12:28
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Siceloonly you know how your network is setup. i use this to connect to the wifi at work as the 'normal' way doesn't work on that network12:28
Vajbyes i figured that :) thx for sharing. Now i have good starting point12:30
SiceloKotCzarny: N900 is good (if you have a working SIM in your device) .. :)12:31
Sicelos/N900/N900 GPS/12:32
infobotSicelo meant: KotCzarny: N900 GPS is good (if you have a working SIM in your device) .. :)12:32
Vajbhmm it seems that i can't find wpa_supplicant from maemo repo's12:47
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Sicelowpasupplicant .. no space or dash12:50
Sicelobut when you run it, then you have underscore12:51
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Vajbstill no go12:57
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Vajbbut found new update for yappari heh12:58
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Sicelono go in what way? what is the actuall error you get with wpa_supplicant? or you mean you cannot find it?13:03
Vajbgoing to see what apt has to say13:03
Vajbcan't find it13:03
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zGrrmoin :)13:03
Sicelofremantle:~$ apt-cache policy wpasupplicant13:04
Vajbk apt found it13:04
Sicelo  Version table:13:04
Sicelo *** 0.7.3-1maemo2 013:04
Sicelo        500 fremantle/free Packages13:04
Sicelook, cool13:04
Vajbtried ham first13:04
Vajbdo i need wpagui or libengine-pkcs11-openssl13:05
Vajbit's suggesting them too13:05
JesperHwpagui is only necessary if you want a gui. If you're comfortable configuring by hand (config files), you don't need it. That said, I've never used wpasupplicant on Maemo devices13:18
Sicelodoesn't work on maemo anyway13:20
Vajbyeah i figured that, but was worth a try :)13:23
KotCzarny /home in n800 is on the rootfs? O.o13:31
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Vajbhmm it seems that it didn't work as expected16:03
Vajbeven tho gprs seemed to be connected all the time, it wasn't.16:03
Siceloshow us your 'ip route show' after you habe both gprs & wifi up16:04
Siceloif you used my script, i did mention you don't need the dbus line (which i use to disconnect all connections)16:05
Vajbi commented all dbus related lines out16:14
Vajbim outside wifi for awhile, but will do later16:15
KotCzarnywell, on pc linux you start wpa_supplicant, then just set ip and route16:18
KotCzarnymaybe network manager in maemo interferes somehow16:19
Sicelofremantle:~$ ip r16:24
Sicelo172.17.224.0/20 dev wlan0  proto kernel  scope link  src
Sicelodefault dev gprs0  scope link16:24
SiceloVajb: you'll have to give us more info ... e.g., did the wi-fi connect? what routes exists, is there a valid IP address for gprs0 & wlan0? also, what dns is used  ... check /var/run/resolv.conf.*16:26
zGrrKotCzarny:  there is one functionality that currently no music player has, and i would find useful.16:28
KotCzarnyzgrr: yes?16:28
zGrrKotCzarny:  i listen to the music ripped from the online radio stations on the internet. such as polish RadioRAM for example.16:29
zGrri use stream ripper which gives me bunch of files with artist names and titles and other properties.16:30
zGrrwhile listen it would be useful to be able to delete the file, i don't like with single click.16:30
KotCzarnyit has such functionality but not exposed to remote16:31
KotCzarnyif you use ncurses version just press 'delete' then confirm with 'y'16:31
zGrror add extra star to uprate tracks i particularly like.16:31
zGrri have to give your player a try. it looks very promissing.16:31
KotCzarnyi also have one, if you press 'insert' it will copy file to predefined dir16:31
KotCzarny(and also not exposed to remote, yet)16:32
KotCzarnyi shall make documentation of all those little features.. i hope such day would come16:34
zGrrI think, that it's impossible to make a player that could ergonomically accommodate all possible usage scenarios such as playing ebooks vs. listening to the music.16:43
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zGrrunless it is highly user-customisable and one could switch between predefined UI profiles.16:44
KotCzarnyzgrr, it's highly customizable16:46
KotCzarnycore-remote model16:47
KotCzarnyso you can write your own ui if you like16:47
KotCzarnyyou can even use telnet to control it16:47
KotCzarnyremote.txt has info about used commands16:48
KotCzarnyremote is written in pygtk, so if you only need 'i want that button moved there', just hack it16:49
KotCzarnyif you own n900 you have probably noticed that pygtk is the choice of many apps16:50
zGrrgreat work, you've done16:50
KotCzarnythanks, spread the word, find the bugs, review it16:50
KotCzarnyright now i'm recompiling everything with -O3 for n8x016:51
KotCzarny10% gain isn't bad16:51
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messertingHi, I've used my N900 as a media player for a couple of years. I just opened it, and noticed my battery had "swollen". It has been connected to the charger 24/7.17:08
KotCzarnyditch the battery17:08
messertingNow, I realised the N900 doesn't work without a battery17:08
KotCzarnyit's dangerous17:08
KotCzarnyalso, check my oscp player17:09
Sicelolol KotCzarny :D17:10
messertingKotCzarny: :)17:10
KotCzarnyshameless-plug-mode is ON17:10
messertingThink I already have it installed, but I use it as a mpd slave mostly17:10
Siceloanyway messerting, no mobile device (that i know of) can work without battery17:11
KotCzarnyyou can use oscp as a slave too17:11
Sicelono offense KotCzarny, but i have yet to know what i 'need' oscp for17:11
messertingSicelo: Sony Ericsson T610 did17:11
KotCzarnysicelo: for music play17:12
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Siceloi have stock, omp, and mplayer for that already17:12
KotCzarnyyes, but they are using all too common library interface17:12
messertingSo, how do you guys run N900 as a media player? Unplug it every night?17:13
KotCzarnyi stuck to the oldschool play-by-dir and play-the-list17:13
KotCzarnyi plan on getting cheapo bl-5j replacement17:13
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messertingyeah, I guess a new battery will give me a year or two more17:14
bencohmesserting: I dont :)17:14
bencoh(run it as a mediaplayer)17:14
messertingBut is it dangerous to have it plugged 24/7?17:14
KotCzarnyits only bad for battery17:14
KotCzarnydevice doesnt care too much17:14
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messertingok, so I need to check once in a while to see if it is about to explode then...17:15
bencohmesserting: iirc there is a manual mode with the bq* battery charger module (used by bme-replacement)17:15
bencohso you could manually force "cycles"17:15
KotCzarnyor put it behind somehing17:15
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bencohbut I'm not sure about that ... at all17:15
bencohPali might know but he's offline17:15
messertingbencoh: thanks, will search for that17:16
KotCzarnynice thing would be possibility for setting charge start/stop thresholds17:16
KotCzarnysicelo, does stock player play midi or modules?17:18
messertingnot sure I will sleep better with bme-replacement, but I might try it (
Sicelomidi, yes (with midi-support). i doubt modules, but i don't have any. i love midi however :)17:19
KotCzarnyor flv, aac, mpc, flac, ape, ogg?17:19
KotCzarnysicelo, then try oscp, it has updated wildmidi17:19
KotCzarnyfor starters17:19
bencohKotCzarny: it does for most with gst-ffmpeg ;)17:20
Siceloyes, bencoh is right.17:20
KotCzarnystill, there is interface issue17:20
SiceloUi, you mean?17:21
KotCzarnybut also ability to control it remotely17:21
bencohwell, mafw can be embedded/controlled from a "remote" process17:21
KotCzarnybencoh, multiarch?17:21
KotCzarnyie. from a pc?17:22
Siceloi think it's more a matter of use case :)17:22
KotCzarnyor reverse way, start oscp core on htpc and control it from n90017:22
bencohoh, no17:22
bencohbut to be honest, for that we have MPD ;)17:22
KotCzarnysomeone said that mpd gui sucks on n90017:22
bencoh15:43 < zGrr> I think, that it's impossible to make a player that could ergonomically accommodate all possible usage scenarios such as playing ebooks vs. listening to the music.17:23
bencoh15:44 < zGrr> unless it is highly user-customisable and one could switch between predefined UI profiles.17:23
bencoh15:46 < KotCzarny> zgrr, it's highly customizable17:23
bencoh15:47 < KotCzarny> core-remote model17:23
Sicelooverall, it's great that there's a lot of choice, and oscp is great in that regard :)17:23
drathirbetter throught ssh...17:23
drathirat server...17:23
KotCzarnydrathir: you can do it too17:23
bencohSicelo: yeah, diversity is good17:23
KotCzarnyit also has ncurses interface17:24
KotCzarnyor if you are hardcore you can do telnet17:24
bencohKotCzarny: the only thing that bothers me is still the blob ;)17:24
drathiralso mocp missing at n900...17:24
bencoh(and the fact that I dont understand why you had to patch your deps)17:24
KotCzarnyagain, oscp playlist/ui is different than all the others17:24
drathirlynx support https too if not fixed yet...17:25
KotCzarnybencoh, told you, to integrate libs/subplayers that don't interface by design17:25
KotCzarnyie. uade2, libsid217:25
bencohwhat's wrong with libsid ?17:26
KotCzarnyit's c++17:26
KotCzarnywithout c interface17:26
bencohcant the glue go in oscp ?17:26
bencoh(or upstream)17:26
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KotCzarnyyes, if you be able to contact devs, those projects are old17:27
Vajbok Sicelo, what u needed to know?17:29
KotCzarnysidplay-libs-2.1.1 was last updated in 200417:29
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SiceloVajb: connect to wi-fi from command line first, then connect your gprs from UI17:30
Siceloby the way, does your wi-fi even connect yet from cmd line? you get IP address properly?17:31
drathirthe most important makfs and fsck updated if good remember thats good...17:32
KotCzarnymost important is outdated glibc and compiler :/17:32
Vajbyes it did17:32
drathirKotCzarny: Yea but touch that and You can scream fire in the hol...17:33
KotCzarnyi know17:33
KotCzarnytried whole day to compile newer gcc in scratchbox17:33
Siceloif the gprs is your only connection to here, haha, then: (1) take note of /var/run/resolv.conf.gprs, (2) connect to the wifi with command line, (3) check to see that you have *only one* default route, (4) if you have second one, note it, and delete it17:34
Vajbi have gprs on and i connected wifi and it worked, but gprs got disconnected and applet show that it is connected17:34
KotCzarnyit worked to a point but couldn't compile anything17:34
SiceloVajb: default gateway may have changed :)17:34
drathirKotCzarny: sad that os isnt based at arch...17:35
Sicelorestore it manually .. if you have iproute tools, then it's just a matter of `ip r add default dev gprs0`17:35
Vajbyes im here through gprs17:35
Vajbah i guess im missing iproute tools then17:35
drathirthat will be really up2date...17:35
KotCzarnydrathir: it doesn't matter, thing is they had to patch things, and stock sources can;t compile/run without them17:35
SiceloVajb: you can do it with route alone as well (but i have even forgotten they syntax for `route` command, haha)17:36
Sicelobut iproute is neater .. especially for that gprs ..17:37
Vajbi have resolv.conf and resolv.conf.gprs and both have different ip17:38
Vajbhmm let me connect to wlan and see what happens now17:38
Sicelothat's ok. your problem is route afaict. what is your routing table?17:38
drathirlittle sad and wonder why nokia not give dev team full access to all closed packages, thats no maatter bc not wanna support anymore mean abaadoned project..17:38
KotCzarnysicelo: route add -net default gw some-ip17:39
KotCzarnybut he doesn't need route17:39
Siceloit's the IP part we don't want ;)17:39
KotCzarnyas he uses internet via gprs17:39
KotCzarnyand needs wifi part only for local stuff17:39
KotCzarnydrathir: money money money17:39
drathirdef by gprs, and wifi local work by auto on ip range match...17:40
SiceloKotCzarny: yes. but dhcp will automatically change the routing table when he runs udhcpc .. that's why he needs to delete that default gw17:40
KotCzarnythen: route del -net default; route add -net default dev gprs017:40
drathirKotCzarny: even n900 isnt produced anymore, nokia not egsist anymore for now also too...17:41
KotCzarnydrathir: neo900 etc17:41
KotCzarnystill, too pricey for my blood17:41
SiceloKotCzarny: yes. that's correct17:41
KotCzarnyso i'm hacking n900/n80017:41
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Sicelowelcome back Vajb ;)17:42
Sicelohow goes?17:42
drathirKotCzarny: Yea like always ppl think the doc and other earn milions at project, there no money at all ;/17:42
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Vajb_guess im using wifi now17:42
KotCzarnydo: route -n17:42
KotCzarnyyou will find out17:42
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Vajb_i guess17:43
Vajb_wlan gateway shows ip but gprs field is just
KotCzarnygprs ip doesn't matter17:44
KotCzarnyit's ppp17:44
Sicelocan you paste the complete lines perhaps...17:44
KotCzarnyand isp will nat you anyway17:44
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drathirAnd honestly for nokia in past will be much better to support full opensource even one device like n900 line, with all source available...17:44
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KotCzarnydrathir: money17:45
Vajb_kia-N900:/home/user# route -n17:45
Vajb_Kernel IP routing table17:45
Vajb_Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface17:45
Vajb_192.168.1.0   U     0      0        0 wlan017:45
Vajb_0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 wlan017:45
Vajb_0.0.0.0         U     0      0        0 gprs017:45
KotCzarnyyou have two default routes17:45
Siceloso you have 2 default gateways, delete the last one17:45
KotCzarnythings can get hairy17:45
KotCzarnydelete wlan0 one17:45
Siceloyes, haha17:46
bencohVajb_: gprs0 is a point-to-point interface, hence the ("default") route17:46
Vajb_so how i delete it?17:46
drathirKotCzarny: they heve money from xxx other lines of phones...17:46
Siceloroute del -net default; route add -net default dev gprs017:46
KotCzarnytry: route del -net default dev wlan017:46
KotCzarnysicelo: bad line17:46
Vajb_i guess that other wlan0 is remainder of wlancond?17:46
Sicelono. it came from udhcpc ...17:47
Siceloso it is technically 'correct' to have it Vajb_17:47
SiceloKotCzarny: iproute has messed my `route` fu. that would have been a simple `ip route del default dev wlan0`17:48
KotCzarnyim not using iproute17:48
KotCzarnyim using ifconfig and route17:48
Vajb_oute: SIOCADDRT: File exists17:48
KotCzarnytold you17:48
KotCzarnybad line17:49
KotCzarnyyou would have to delete default route 'twice'17:49
KotCzarnythen add once17:49
SiceloVajb_: use the one KotCzarny gave17:49
Sicelo15:46 < KotCzarny> try: route del -net default dev wlan017:49
KotCzarnyi think vajb, you should edit some network scripts that run dhcp on wlan0 up17:50
Siceloi would rather he does that one the wpa_supplicant script .. not the main ones (because udchpc is also used by wlancond)17:51
KotCzarnymany ways17:52
KotCzarnybut apparently he can have wlan and gprs at the same time17:52
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Siceloof course. i can17:52
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Sicelolooks like that route is gone now ... so we should see him come back shortly17:53
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Vajbok now im here?17:54
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Vajbit might show both as elisa as a matter of fact17:55
Vajbmy wifi is gprs router which is sharing connection around the house17:55
Vajband it is from same company as my gprs in phone17:56
Vajbat least i have wifi connected coz i can scp to my phone17:57
Vajbbut how to know if gprs is also active?17:57
Vajbi have gprs icon up there17:57
KotCzarnytracert or traceroute ?17:57
KotCzarnywhat does route -n show ?17:58
Vajbroute -n17:59
VajbKernel IP routing table17:59
VajbDestination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface17:59
Vajb192.168.1.0   U     0      0        0 wlan017:59
Vajb0.0.0.0         U     0      0        0 gprs017:59
Vajbthat seems to be fixed now, yes?17:59
KotCzarnythen your internet packets go through gprs17:59
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Vajbbtw how do i disconnect wifi now?18:00
Vajbsince there is no icon or anything. Just killall wpa_supplicant?18:01
KotCzarnyyes, but wifi module will still search for open networks18:01
KotCzarnymaybe ifconfig wlan0 down ?18:01
KotCzarnyor iwconfig wlan0 mode off ?18:01
KotCzarnyor equivalent18:02
Vajbhmm that might just be where i got two wlan0's18:02
Vajbcoz last time i did killall wpa_supplicant and wlancond start18:02
KotCzarnyyeah, you shall edit system scripts to ignore wlan status/changes18:03
KotCzarnymake backups18:03
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Vajbok ifconfig wlan0 down did the trick18:03
Vajbonly gprs showing up on route -n18:03
KotCzarnybut power wise wifi could still be enabled18:04
KotCzarnynormal drivers on pc powerdown wifi when ifconfig down18:04
VajbSicelo: one last question. Will all of this work after reboot?18:04
KotCzarnyvajb: did you change any system scripts?18:04
Vajbhmm how to check that?18:04
KotCzarnyyou should know if you edited anything18:05
Vajbi didn't change anything18:05
KotCzarnythen after reboot everything will go back to stock18:05
Vajbi installed wpa_supplicant and rest is just shell script18:05
KotCzarnycheck the .deb if it messed with anything18:06
Vajbok so i might face two wlan connections again18:06
KotCzarny(pre/post-install scripts)18:06
KotCzarnynot necessarily18:06
Vajbgotta love computer stuff. Words r english, but i still have no idea what to do about checking .deb lol18:08
KotCzarnyunpack it18:08
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Sicelowpasupplicant doesnt run anything automatically. setup your own scrips18:09
VajbSicelo: so was this ifconfig wlan0 down correct way to disconnect?18:10
KotCzarnysicelo: would that powerdown the chip?18:11
Vajbi guess i will notice if it didn't :p18:12
KotCzarnyeventually :P18:12
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Sicelostart wlancond and kill udhcpc as well18:13
bencohKotCzarny: afaik disabling wireless (from status-menu applet) unloads modules18:13
bencohI guess there is a reason18:13
KotCzarnyso he should also unload wifi module18:13
KotCzarnyand reinsert when he wants to connect18:13
Sicelomodules are always loaded afaik18:14
Siceloand i can vouch for the soundness of this... i connect this way daily18:15
KotCzarnybencoh, just checked18:16
bencohKotCzarny: me too18:16
KotCzarnylsmod |wc -l shows same number18:16
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bencohlsmod|grep wl1 doesnt show anything18:16
bencohI guess we're not talking about the same applet18:17
KotCzarnyi'm using stock fremantle18:17
KotCzarnyand using 'select connection' to connect/disconnect18:17
Sicelostock applet?18:17
bencohI use wifi-switcher to enable/disable wireless18:17
Vajbim using cssu-testing18:17
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Vajbi did digging about wifi. Would modprobe -r wl12xx solve possible chip on issue?18:47
KotCzarnyyes, it most likely disables device18:47
Vajbwell then it definitely wont draw any power :)18:48
Sicelotell me if you don't have the module after a reboot ;p18:49
KotCzarnywhy should he?18:49
Vajbu think it might got lost if it's not loaded when rebooting?18:50
Siceloi am saying it is always there18:50
KotCzarnyin stock fremantle, yes18:51
Vajbso i made script for connect and disconnect and added modprobe to both ways to be sure :p18:51
KotCzarnynow add it to desktop, and done!18:52
Vajbi guess wlancond is not really needed to be on as i don't use any wlan besides my own?18:52
KotCzarnyyou can even write pygtk gui18:52
Vajbnah i can start terminal and run it from there in blink of a second18:52
bencohactually I'm not sure about it powering the device down18:53
bencohbut it does disable the wake irq, at least18:54
Siceloi would leave wlancond alone, but that's your call18:54
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bencohyeah I would leave wlancond alone as well18:55
Vajbim not going to remove it, but just not running it after using wpa18:55
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Sicelojust ensure wpasupplicant & udhcpc sre killed18:57
Vajbyup they are18:59
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Vajbk i think i found some problem19:14
Vajbetc/udhcpc/default.script: exec: line 7: /etc/udhcpc/default.zeroconf.dhcpup: not found19:14
VajbResetting default routes19:14
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Vajband that reset gives me double wlan and disconnects my gprs19:14
Vajbexec /etc/udhcpc/default.$119:16
Vajbthat's the line 7 of the file19:16
Luke-Jrgreat, my N900 won't boot19:19
Luke-Jrnokia screen comes up then it dies19:20
KotCzarnymaybe battery died19:20
Luke-Jrthis is on AC19:20
Luke-Jrwell, USB19:20
KotCzarnyeven on ac with totally empty battery it will die19:21
Luke-Jrso how am I supposed to charge it?19:21
KotCzarnylet it charge for 10-15 minutes19:21
Luke-Jrit doesn't charge until it boots19:21
Luke-Jralso, it's been on USB power for days19:21
KotCzarnyit boots to initrd when connected to power19:21
Luke-Jreven when it died19:21
Luke-Jrit's NOT booting to initrd, that's my point19:21
SiceloVajb:  compensate for that on your script. i would leave system scrips alone as well19:22
Luke-Jroh bah19:22
Luke-Jrbattery feels slightly bulged19:22
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KotCzarnydo you have spare for testing?19:23
KotCzarnybuy cheapo chinese19:23
KotCzarnyfor a quickie19:23
KotCzarnyor go to phone shop and ask for test19:24
bencohmirda: dp upi get a solid yellow led when plugging it in ?19:24
Luke-Jrwouldn't know where to find a battery around here19:24
bencohLuke-Jr: do you get a solid yellow led when plugging it in ?19:24
KotCzarnybencoh: right hand fail ;)19:24
Luke-Jrbencoh: no19:24
bencohKotCzarny: huhu, exactly19:24
KotCzarnyluke: take out the battery, wait 5s, insert, connect to power (but dont' turn on)19:24
KotCzarnyit should boot to initrd and charge19:24
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Luke-JrKotCzarny: NOKIA appears, then fades in a death-style19:25
KotCzarnydo as above19:25
KotCzarnyit will take you 5 minutes to check19:25
Luke-JrKotCzarny: I just did that, that's the outcome19:26
Luke-JrNOKIA keeps appearing over and over, doing the same19:26
bencohI'd try rescueos first19:26
Vajb_try to keep battery out longer19:26
mirdahey, i had similar problem with N810 with deeply discharged battery (long time discharged), after plugging charger in it attepted to boot but then it shut down, it did repeatedly19:27
Luke-Jrrescueos requires booting..19:27
Vajb_i had that once after kernel update19:27
mirdai had to charge battery in external charger19:27
Vajb_solved by removing battery for awhile19:27
Luke-JrI get solid yellow if I remove the battery with USB power :P19:30
KotCzarnywhy the heck bash3 tries to remove bash19:31
mirdai have this external charger
mirdait is very useful, can be used also as powerbank19:32
KotCzarnyi grabbed ca-100c (chinese knockoff)19:32
KotCzarnyno electronics but works on usb19:32
Luke-Jrmirda: not without battery?19:34
mirdahow do you mean it? it uses inserted battery as powerbank, it has usb port on it19:35
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Luke-Jroh, it's an external charger19:36
Luke-Jrcan't use at the same time19:36
mirdaif my N810 battery was deeply discharged and N810 wasn't able to charge it, this charger charged that battery19:36
Luke-JrI do have a spare N90019:36
bencohmirda: wow, bulky. where did you get that from ?19:37
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mirdabencoh: Lidl supermarket selled it one time19:38
Luke-Jrspare N900 has same behaviour19:39
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bencohLuke-Jr: do you have only one battery for two n900s ?19:39
Luke-Jrbencoh: correct19:39
bencohmirda: oh, nice19:39
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mirda //this company if you know it19:41
Luke-Jr look ok?19:41
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bencohmirda: yeah we have those in france as well19:42
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bencohnot sure they sell electronic stuff though19:42
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Luke-Jror maybe
bencohbuying a refurb battery ? no way19:44
Luke-Jrbencoh: even if I don't need it to last?19:44
Luke-Jrgot 20kWh external19:44
Luke-Jrbleh, $30 for overnight19:45
* Luke-Jr ponders how to get a battery faster19:45
KotCzarnygo to mall?19:45
KotCzarnymob someone in the alley till you get compatible?19:46
bencoh3xAAA and a resistance ? :>19:46
KotCzarnyn900 will accept ?19:46
bencohhmm, I think so, but check the homemade/batteries thread19:46
Luke-JrKotCzarny: what is a mall? :p19:47
KotCzarnyshopping centre?19:47
mirdabencoh: they sells mostly food, drugstore, they sometime sell some electronics like various chargers, electric tools, clothes and so on19:48
Luke-JrKotCzarny: yes, I mean none around here19:48
KotCzarnyask friends?19:48
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KotCzarnyor have a nice detox19:49
KotCzarnyand wait 1-2 days19:49
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Luke-Jrfound a place for new ones at $3019:50
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bencohLuke-Jr: I bought a new polarcell for 13euros a month ago19:51
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bencoh$30 seems expensive19:51
KotCzarnyfor chinese knockoff, yes19:52
KotCzarnyfor original no19:52
bencohsure, if you insist on having a nokia bl5J19:53
KotCzarnygot a cheap place for dual size ones?19:53
KotCzarny(cheap and good)19:53
KotCzarnyi got mugen cover for 5$ few years ago19:54
KotCzarnybut never got around to get a battery19:54
Luke-Jrsame here19:54
bencohI wouldnt use it anyway19:54
Luke-Jralthough I thought it was more than $519:54
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KotCzarnyi would19:54
bencohn900 is bulky enough :)19:54
KotCzarnyyes, that's why it doesnt matter much ;)19:54
bencohit's almost thicker than my laptop ...19:54
Luke-Jrbencoh: meh, I'm happy carrying around N900 + external battery the same sizer19:54
Luke-Jrboth fit in my pocket fine19:55
Luke-Jralong with my other pocket contents19:55
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KotCzarny(null)$ ls -l oscp19:56
KotCzarny-rwxrwxr-x  1 sbox sbox 4320100 Mar  2 10:36 oscp19:56
KotCzarny(null)$ rm oscp19:56
KotCzarnyrm: cannot remove `oscp': Permission denied19:56
KotCzarnyam i stupid or it's too late for me to think?19:57
Luke-Jrbe the root19:57
KotCzarnysee the owner?19:57
bencohKotCzarny: ls -lhd19:57
KotCzarny(null)$ ls -lhd oscp19:57
KotCzarny-rwxrwxr-x  1 sbox sbox 4.2M Mar  2 10:36 oscp19:57
bencohno, ls -lhd :p19:57
bencohon the folder ;)19:57
KotCzarny+1 for bencoh19:57
Luke-Jrls: cannot access :p: No such file or directory19:58
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KotCzarnymerlin1991: ping20:31
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KotCzarnyuploading to extras-devel diablo is the same as fremantle?20:36
KotCzarnyie. i only change fremantle part to diablo?20:36
merlin1991Should be20:36
KotCzarnyk, upped, i hope it gets through20:38
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KotCzarnybtw. it doesnt matter that deb name is the same as in fremantle?20:39
merlin1991The 2 repositories are independend20:40
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KotCzarnyso, can you check if it's ok?20:41
KotCzarnyotoh i should try to install on device first20:42
KotCzarnygood. it runs ok20:45
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KotCzarnyand apparently it did20:48
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KotCzarnyumm, kay, oscp 0.9.7-6 is in diablo repo22:37
KotCzarnywhy does shows only -5 ?22:38
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Paliupdating packages webpage too long22:50
Palisometimes more hours...22:50
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KotCzarnyi dont believe that, builder is sleeping22:51
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Luke-Jrturned out it was a Duracel 1050 :/23:08
KotCzarnywas what?23:08
Luke-Jrthe local store's battery23:08
Luke-Jrfor $3023:08
KotCzarnychoose 223:09
Luke-JrI hope Duracel was fast/good23:09
KotCzarnybut at least it booted?23:09
KotCzarnyhah, i guessed right23:09
Luke-Jrhe also confirmed the old batt was NG23:10
KotCzarnynear goddamnbomb?23:10
Luke-Jrno good23:10
Luke-Jrhe spun it on the counter23:10
Luke-Jrand said it shouldn't spin23:10
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KotCzarnybencoh, you know what could be nice point of oscp? it doesn't rely on anything that system media player does23:16
KotCzarnyso if one ever wants to disable trackerd, got tired of mafw/gst, oscp is independent23:17
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