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| KotCzarny | compiling gcc 4.8.4 | 08:41 |
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| KotCzarny | cc1: out of memory allocating 4294967272 bytes after a total of 786432 bytes | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | fun, isn't it? | 08:41 |
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| belloccio | ciao a tutti belli e brutti | 09:19 |
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| Vajb | is it possible on n900 to have gprs and wlan connection on same time? | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | is n900's gps any good? | 11:33 |
| Vajb | gps or gprs? | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | gps | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | as for connection, just try to enable both | 11:33 |
| Vajb | only tested it few times, but seems to be fine | 11:34 |
| Vajb | well if i change from one to another it disconnects | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | then i guess you have to use terminal commands | 11:34 |
| Vajb | so i was wondering if there is a hack for it :) | 11:34 |
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| KotCzarny | enable gprs then use cmdline to enable wifi manually | 11:35 |
| Vajb | i need wlan only when i need to copy something to phone or vice versa and it's annoying to have everything else disconnected | 11:35 |
| Vajb | neat idea will see what happens | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | amazing, i rebuilt oscp and libs with -O3 and binary size went from 4.7M to 4.3 | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 11:37 |
| Vajb | don't say anything important now coz i will disconnect because of connection change :p | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:37 |
| Vajb | and congrats of that | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | use sme irc bouncer | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | *some | 11:37 |
| Vajb | i guess it means improved code | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | might be unstable | 11:37 |
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| KotCzarny | going to package it for test | 11:37 |
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| Vajb | so far it seems that one can only connect to wep wifi from cmd line | 11:52 |
| Vajb | not wap which im using | 11:52 |
| bencoh | wpa*. but we have some daemon to handle it ... I dont remember its name | 11:53 |
| Vajb | ah yes sorry for my spelling | 11:57 |
| Vajb | so u say it is possible to connect to wifi and gprs simultaneously? | 11:58 |
| bencoh | I didnt say that, I havent tried :) | 11:59 |
| Vajb | :p | 11:59 |
| bencoh | joiku does it so it's probably doable ;) | 12:00 |
| bencoh | you'd just need to see how it configures everything | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | hardware wise it's possible, don't know about system network manager going mad | 12:00 |
| Vajb | but isn't joikus point to use gprs connection and share it through wifi? | 12:04 |
| Sicelo | yes, it is possible to connect to both simultaneously :) | 12:13 |
| Sicelo | use wpa_supplicant for 'fancy' wifi networks | 12:15 |
| Vajb | Sicelo: could u possible spoon fed it to me <3 | 12:15 |
| Sicelo | why do you want to do this in the first place? | 12:17 |
| bencoh | ooh, we do have wpasupplicant in extras | 12:19 |
| bencoh | cool | 12:19 |
| Sicelo | yes :) | 12:19 |
| Vajb | im usually connected to gprs with im, yappari, etc and i only need wifi to move stuff from computer via scp occasionally | 12:19 |
| Vajb | so everything disconnects when i change to wifi and vice versa | 12:20 |
| Sicelo | basically you want to `stop wlancond`, then use wpa_supplicant to connect the wifi. just check that your default route doesn't get changed | 12:20 |
| Vajb | actually not that important. Just minor inconvenience | 12:20 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: this is same as any linux machine ... so any tutorial out there will get you going :) | 12:20 |
| Vajb | ok looking for wpa suplicant over google now | 12:21 |
| Sicelo | https://www.dropbox.com/s/gaw8bjkc32etlkp/wres_con.sh?dl=0 is a little script i use to connect to wifi using wpa_supplicant | 12:25 |
| Sicelo | you will not need the dbus lines for your use case | 12:25 |
| Sicelo | of course the wpa_supplicant.conf is your job ;) | 12:28 |
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| Sicelo | only you know how your network is setup. i use this to connect to the wifi at work as the 'normal' way doesn't work on that network | 12:28 |
| Vajb | yes i figured that :) thx for sharing. Now i have good starting point | 12:30 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: N900 is good (if you have a working SIM in your device) .. :) | 12:31 |
| Sicelo | s/N900/N900 GPS/ | 12:32 |
| infobot | Sicelo meant: KotCzarny: N900 GPS is good (if you have a working SIM in your device) .. :) | 12:32 |
| Vajb | hmm it seems that i can't find wpa_supplicant from maemo repo's | 12:47 |
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| Sicelo | wpasupplicant .. no space or dash | 12:50 |
| Sicelo | but when you run it, then you have underscore | 12:51 |
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| Vajb | still no go | 12:57 |
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| Vajb | but found new update for yappari heh | 12:58 |
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| Sicelo | no go in what way? what is the actuall error you get with wpa_supplicant? or you mean you cannot find it? | 13:03 |
| Vajb | going to see what apt has to say | 13:03 |
| Vajb | can't find it | 13:03 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 13:03 |
| Sicelo | fremantle:~$ apt-cache policy wpasupplicant | 13:04 |
| Sicelo | wpasupplicant: | 13:04 |
| Vajb | k apt found it | 13:04 |
| Sicelo | Version table: | 13:04 |
| Sicelo | *** 0.7.3-1maemo2 0 | 13:04 |
| Sicelo | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages | 13:04 |
| Sicelo | ok, cool | 13:04 |
| Vajb | tried ham first | 13:04 |
| Sicelo | :) | 13:04 |
| Vajb | do i need wpagui or libengine-pkcs11-openssl | 13:05 |
| Vajb | it's suggesting them too | 13:05 |
| JesperH | wpagui is only necessary if you want a gui. If you're comfortable configuring by hand (config files), you don't need it. That said, I've never used wpasupplicant on Maemo devices | 13:18 |
| Sicelo | doesn't work on maemo anyway | 13:20 |
| Vajb | yeah i figured that, but was worth a try :) | 13:23 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | /home in n800 is on the rootfs? O.o | 13:31 |
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| Vajb | hmm it seems that it didn't work as expected | 16:03 |
| Vajb | even tho gprs seemed to be connected all the time, it wasn't. | 16:03 |
| Sicelo | show us your 'ip route show' after you habe both gprs & wifi up | 16:04 |
| Sicelo | if you used my script, i did mention you don't need the dbus line (which i use to disconnect all connections) | 16:05 |
| Vajb | i commented all dbus related lines out | 16:14 |
| Vajb | im outside wifi for awhile, but will do later | 16:15 |
| Sicelo | ok | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | well, on pc linux you start wpa_supplicant, then just set ip and route | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | maybe network manager in maemo interferes somehow | 16:19 |
| Sicelo | fremantle:~$ ip r | 16:24 |
| Sicelo | 172.17.224.0/20 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 172.17.231.72 | 16:24 |
| Sicelo | default dev gprs0 scope link | 16:24 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: you'll have to give us more info ... e.g., did the wi-fi connect? what routes exists, is there a valid IP address for gprs0 & wlan0? also, what dns is used ... check /var/run/resolv.conf.* | 16:26 |
| zGrr | KotCzarny: there is one functionality that currently no music player has, and i would find useful. | 16:28 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr: yes? | 16:28 |
| zGrr | KotCzarny: i listen to the music ripped from the online radio stations on the internet. such as polish RadioRAM for example. | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | and? | 16:29 |
| zGrr | i use stream ripper which gives me bunch of files with artist names and titles and other properties. | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | and? | 16:30 |
| zGrr | while listen it would be useful to be able to delete the file, i don't like with single click. | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | it has such functionality but not exposed to remote | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | if you use ncurses version just press 'delete' then confirm with 'y' | 16:31 |
| zGrr | or add extra star to uprate tracks i particularly like. | 16:31 |
| zGrr | i have to give your player a try. it looks very promissing. | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | i also have one, if you press 'insert' it will copy file to predefined dir | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | (and also not exposed to remote, yet) | 16:32 |
| KotCzarny | i shall make documentation of all those little features.. i hope such day would come | 16:34 |
| zGrr | I think, that it's impossible to make a player that could ergonomically accommodate all possible usage scenarios such as playing ebooks vs. listening to the music. | 16:43 |
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| zGrr | unless it is highly user-customisable and one could switch between predefined UI profiles. | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr, it's highly customizable | 16:46 |
| KotCzarny | core-remote model | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | so you can write your own ui if you like | 16:47 |
| zGrr | great | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | you can even use telnet to control it | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | remote.txt has info about used commands | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | https://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/binaries/ | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | remote is written in pygtk, so if you only need 'i want that button moved there', just hack it | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | if you own n900 you have probably noticed that pygtk is the choice of many apps | 16:50 |
| zGrr | great work, you've done | 16:50 |
| KotCzarny | thanks, spread the word, find the bugs, review it | 16:50 |
| KotCzarny | right now i'm recompiling everything with -O3 for n8x0 | 16:51 |
| KotCzarny | 10% gain isn't bad | 16:51 |
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| messerting | Hi, I've used my N900 as a media player for a couple of years. I just opened it, and noticed my battery had "swollen". It has been connected to the charger 24/7. | 17:08 |
| KotCzarny | ditch the battery | 17:08 |
| messerting | Now, I realised the N900 doesn't work without a battery | 17:08 |
| KotCzarny | it's dangerous | 17:08 |
| messerting | yeah | 17:09 |
| KotCzarny | also, check my oscp player | 17:09 |
| Sicelo | lol KotCzarny :D | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:10 |
| messerting | KotCzarny: :) | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | shameless-plug-mode is ON | 17:10 |
| messerting | Think I already have it installed, but I use it as a mpd slave mostly | 17:10 |
| Sicelo | anyway messerting, no mobile device (that i know of) can work without battery | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | you can use oscp as a slave too | 17:11 |
| Sicelo | no offense KotCzarny, but i have yet to know what i 'need' oscp for | 17:11 |
| messerting | Sicelo: Sony Ericsson T610 did | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: for music play | 17:12 |
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| Sicelo | i have stock, omp, and mplayer for that already | 17:12 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but they are using all too common library interface | 17:12 |
| Sicelo | :) | 17:13 |
| messerting | So, how do you guys run N900 as a media player? Unplug it every night? | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | i stuck to the oldschool play-by-dir and play-the-list | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | i plan on getting cheapo bl-5j replacement | 17:13 |
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| messerting | yeah, I guess a new battery will give me a year or two more | 17:14 |
| bencoh | messerting: I dont :) | 17:14 |
| bencoh | (run it as a mediaplayer) | 17:14 |
| messerting | But is it dangerous to have it plugged 24/7? | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | its only bad for battery | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | device doesnt care too much | 17:14 |
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| messerting | ok, so I need to check once in a while to see if it is about to explode then... | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:15 |
| bencoh | messerting: iirc there is a manual mode with the bq* battery charger module (used by bme-replacement) | 17:15 |
| bencoh | so you could manually force "cycles" | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | or put it behind somehing | 17:15 |
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| bencoh | but I'm not sure about that ... at all | 17:15 |
| bencoh | Pali might know but he's offline | 17:15 |
| messerting | bencoh: thanks, will search for that | 17:16 |
| KotCzarny | nice thing would be possibility for setting charge start/stop thresholds | 17:16 |
| bencoh | yeah | 17:16 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, does stock player play midi or modules? | 17:18 |
| messerting | not sure I will sleep better with bme-replacement, but I might try it (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90139&page=3) | 17:19 |
| Sicelo | midi, yes (with midi-support). i doubt modules, but i don't have any. i love midi however :) | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | or flv, aac, mpc, flac, ape, ogg? | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, then try oscp, it has updated wildmidi | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | for starters | 17:19 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: it does for most with gst-ffmpeg ;) | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | most | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:20 |
| Sicelo | yes, bencoh is right. | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | still, there is interface issue | 17:20 |
| Sicelo | Ui, you mean? | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | but also ability to control it remotely | 17:21 |
| bencoh | well, mafw can be embedded/controlled from a "remote" process | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, multiarch? | 17:21 |
| bencoh | ? | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | ie. from a pc? | 17:22 |
| Sicelo | i think it's more a matter of use case :) | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | or reverse way, start oscp core on htpc and control it from n900 | 17:22 |
| bencoh | oh, no | 17:22 |
| bencoh | but to be honest, for that we have MPD ;) | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | someone said that mpd gui sucks on n900 | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:22 |
| bencoh | 15:43 < zGrr> I think, that it's impossible to make a player that could ergonomically accommodate all possible usage scenarios such as playing ebooks vs. listening to the music. | 17:23 |
| bencoh | 15:44 < zGrr> unless it is highly user-customisable and one could switch between predefined UI profiles. | 17:23 |
| bencoh | 15:46 < KotCzarny> zgrr, it's highly customizable | 17:23 |
| bencoh | ;) | 17:23 |
| bencoh | 15:47 < KotCzarny> core-remote model | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:23 |
| Sicelo | overall, it's great that there's a lot of choice, and oscp is great in that regard :) | 17:23 |
| drathir | better throught ssh... | 17:23 |
| drathir | at server... | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: you can do it too | 17:23 |
| bencoh | Sicelo: yeah, diversity is good | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | it also has ncurses interface | 17:24 |
| drathir | ncmpcc | 17:24 |
| KotCzarny | or if you are hardcore you can do telnet | 17:24 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: the only thing that bothers me is still the blob ;) | 17:24 |
| drathir | also mocp missing at n900... | 17:24 |
| bencoh | (and the fact that I dont understand why you had to patch your deps) | 17:24 |
| KotCzarny | again, oscp playlist/ui is different than all the others | 17:24 |
| drathir | lynx support https too if not fixed yet... | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, told you, to integrate libs/subplayers that don't interface by design | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | ie. uade2, libsid2 | 17:25 |
| bencoh | what's wrong with libsid ? | 17:26 |
| KotCzarny | it's c++ | 17:26 |
| KotCzarny | without c interface | 17:26 |
| bencoh | cant the glue go in oscp ? | 17:26 |
| bencoh | (or upstream) | 17:26 |
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| KotCzarny | yes, if you be able to contact devs, those projects are old | 17:27 |
| Vajb | ok Sicelo, what u needed to know? | 17:29 |
| KotCzarny | sidplay-libs-2.1.1 was last updated in 2004 | 17:29 |
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| Sicelo | Vajb: connect to wi-fi from command line first, then connect your gprs from UI | 17:30 |
| Sicelo | by the way, does your wi-fi even connect yet from cmd line? you get IP address properly? | 17:31 |
| drathir | the most important makfs and fsck updated if good remember thats good... | 17:32 |
| drathir | mkfs* | 17:32 |
| KotCzarny | most important is outdated glibc and compiler :/ | 17:32 |
| Vajb | yes it did | 17:32 |
| drathir | KotCzarny: Yea but touch that and You can scream fire in the hol... | 17:33 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 17:33 |
| KotCzarny | tried whole day to compile newer gcc in scratchbox | 17:33 |
| Sicelo | if the gprs is your only connection to here, haha, then: (1) take note of /var/run/resolv.conf.gprs, (2) connect to the wifi with command line, (3) check to see that you have *only one* default route, (4) if you have second one, note it, and delete it | 17:34 |
| Vajb | i have gprs on and i connected wifi and it worked, but gprs got disconnected and applet show that it is connected | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | it worked to a point but couldn't compile anything | 17:34 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: default gateway may have changed :) | 17:34 |
| drathir | KotCzarny: sad that os isnt based at arch... | 17:35 |
| Sicelo | restore it manually .. if you have iproute tools, then it's just a matter of `ip r add default dev gprs0` | 17:35 |
| Vajb | yes im here through gprs | 17:35 |
| Vajb | ah i guess im missing iproute tools then | 17:35 |
| drathir | that will be really up2date... | 17:35 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: it doesn't matter, thing is they had to patch things, and stock sources can;t compile/run without them | 17:35 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: you can do it with route alone as well (but i have even forgotten they syntax for `route` command, haha) | 17:36 |
| Sicelo | but iproute is neater .. especially for that gprs .. | 17:37 |
| Vajb | i have resolv.conf and resolv.conf.gprs and both have different ip | 17:38 |
| Vajb | hmm let me connect to wlan and see what happens now | 17:38 |
| Sicelo | that's ok. your problem is route afaict. what is your routing table? | 17:38 |
| Sicelo | ok | 17:38 |
| drathir | little sad and wonder why nokia not give dev team full access to all closed packages, thats no maatter bc not wanna support anymore mean abaadoned project.. | 17:38 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: route add -net default gw some-ip | 17:39 |
| KotCzarny | but he doesn't need route | 17:39 |
| Sicelo | it's the IP part we don't want ;) | 17:39 |
| KotCzarny | as he uses internet via gprs | 17:39 |
| KotCzarny | and needs wifi part only for local stuff | 17:39 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: money money money | 17:39 |
| drathir | def by gprs, and wifi local work by auto on ip range match... | 17:40 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: yes. but dhcp will automatically change the routing table when he runs udhcpc .. that's why he needs to delete that default gw | 17:40 |
| KotCzarny | then: route del -net default; route add -net default dev gprs0 | 17:40 |
| drathir | KotCzarny: even n900 isnt produced anymore, nokia not egsist anymore for now also too... | 17:41 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: neo900 etc | 17:41 |
| KotCzarny | still, too pricey for my blood | 17:41 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: yes. that's correct | 17:41 |
| KotCzarny | so i'm hacking n900/n800 | 17:41 |
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| Sicelo | welcome back Vajb ;) | 17:42 |
| Sicelo | how goes? | 17:42 |
| drathir | KotCzarny: Yea like always ppl think the doc and other earn milions at project, there no money at all ;/ | 17:42 |
| drathir | hi... | 17:42 |
| * Sicelo is going afk soon | 17:42 | |
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| Vajb_ | guess im using wifi now | 17:42 |
| KotCzarny | do: route -n | 17:42 |
| KotCzarny | you will find out | 17:42 |
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| Sicelo | elisa-mobile.fi ... is that your wifi? | 17:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:43 |
| Vajb_ | i guess | 17:43 |
| Vajb_ | wlan gateway shows ip but gprs field is just 0.0.0.0 | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | gprs ip doesn't matter | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | it's ppp | 17:44 |
| Sicelo | can you paste the complete lines perhaps... | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | and isp will nat you anyway | 17:44 |
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| drathir | And honestly for nokia in past will be much better to support full opensource even one device like n900 line, with all source available... | 17:44 |
| * Sicelo is gone :) | 17:45 | |
| drathir | bb | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: money | 17:45 |
| Vajb_ | kia-N900:/home/user# route -n | 17:45 |
| Vajb_ | Kernel IP routing table | 17:45 |
| Vajb_ | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface | 17:45 |
| Vajb_ | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 | 17:45 |
| Vajb_ | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 | 17:45 |
| Vajb_ | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 gprs0 | 17:45 |
| Vajb_ | Nokia-N900:/home/user# | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | you have two default routes | 17:45 |
| Sicelo | so you have 2 default gateways, delete the last one | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | things can get hairy | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | no | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | delete wlan0 one | 17:45 |
| Sicelo | nooo | 17:45 |
| Sicelo | :D | 17:46 |
| Sicelo | yes, haha | 17:46 |
| bencoh | Vajb_: gprs0 is a point-to-point interface, hence the 0.0.0.0 ("default") route | 17:46 |
| Vajb_ | so how i delete it? | 17:46 |
| drathir | KotCzarny: they heve money from xxx other lines of phones... | 17:46 |
| Sicelo | route del -net default; route add -net default dev gprs0 | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | try: route del -net default dev wlan0 | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: bad line | 17:46 |
| Vajb_ | i guess that other wlan0 is remainder of wlancond? | 17:46 |
| Sicelo | no. it came from udhcpc ... | 17:47 |
| Sicelo | so it is technically 'correct' to have it Vajb_ | 17:47 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: iproute has messed my `route` fu. that would have been a simple `ip route del default dev wlan0` | 17:48 |
| Sicelo | :( | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | im not using iproute | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | im using ifconfig and route | 17:48 |
| Vajb_ | oute: SIOCADDRT: File exists | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | told you | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | bad line | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | you would have to delete default route 'twice' | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | then add once | 17:49 |
| Sicelo | Vajb_: use the one KotCzarny gave | 17:49 |
| Sicelo | 15:46 < KotCzarny> try: route del -net default dev wlan0 | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | i think vajb, you should edit some network scripts that run dhcp on wlan0 up | 17:50 |
| Sicelo | i would rather he does that one the wpa_supplicant script .. not the main ones (because udchpc is also used by wlancond) | 17:51 |
| KotCzarny | many ways | 17:52 |
| KotCzarny | but apparently he can have wlan and gprs at the same time | 17:52 |
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| Sicelo | of course. i can | 17:52 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 17:53 |
| Sicelo | looks like that route is gone now ... so we should see him come back shortly | 17:53 |
| KotCzarny | maybe | 17:53 |
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| Vajb | ok now im here? | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | elisa | 17:54 |
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| Vajb | hmm | 17:55 |
| Vajb | it might show both as elisa as a matter of fact | 17:55 |
| Vajb | my wifi is gprs router which is sharing connection around the house | 17:55 |
| Vajb | and it is from same company as my gprs in phone | 17:56 |
| Vajb | at least i have wifi connected coz i can scp to my phone | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:57 |
| Vajb | but how to know if gprs is also active? | 17:57 |
| Vajb | i have gprs icon up there | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | tracert or traceroute ? | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | what does route -n show ? | 17:58 |
| Vajb | route -n | 17:59 |
| Vajb | Kernel IP routing table | 17:59 |
| Vajb | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface | 17:59 |
| Vajb | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 | 17:59 |
| Vajb | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 gprs0 | 17:59 |
| Vajb | that seems to be fixed now, yes? | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | then your internet packets go through gprs | 17:59 |
| Vajb | cool | 18:00 |
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| Vajb | btw how do i disconnect wifi now? | 18:00 |
| Sicelo | yes | 18:00 |
| Vajb | since there is no icon or anything. Just killall wpa_supplicant? | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but wifi module will still search for open networks | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | maybe ifconfig wlan0 down ? | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | or iwconfig wlan0 mode off ? | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | or equivalent | 18:02 |
| Vajb | hmm that might just be where i got two wlan0's | 18:02 |
| Vajb | coz last time i did killall wpa_supplicant and wlancond start | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, you shall edit system scripts to ignore wlan status/changes | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | make backups | 18:03 |
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| Vajb | ok ifconfig wlan0 down did the trick | 18:03 |
| Vajb | only gprs showing up on route -n | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | but power wise wifi could still be enabled | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | normal drivers on pc powerdown wifi when ifconfig down | 18:04 |
| Vajb | Sicelo: one last question. Will all of this work after reboot? | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: did you change any system scripts? | 18:04 |
| Vajb | hmm how to check that? | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | you should know if you edited anything | 18:05 |
| Vajb | i didn't change anything | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | then after reboot everything will go back to stock | 18:05 |
| Vajb | i installed wpa_supplicant and rest is just shell script | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | check the .deb if it messed with anything | 18:06 |
| Vajb | ok so i might face two wlan connections again | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | (pre/post-install scripts) | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | not necessarily | 18:06 |
| Vajb | gotta love computer stuff. Words r english, but i still have no idea what to do about checking .deb lol | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | unpack it | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.practicalweb.co.uk/blog/2008/06/08/how-to-manually-unpack-a-deb-file/ | 18:08 |
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| Sicelo | wpasupplicant doesnt run anything automatically. setup your own scrips | 18:09 |
| Vajb | Sicelo: so was this ifconfig wlan0 down correct way to disconnect? | 18:10 |
| Sicelo | yes | 18:11 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: would that powerdown the chip? | 18:11 |
| Vajb | i guess i will notice if it didn't :p | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | eventually :P | 18:12 |
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| Sicelo | start wlancond and kill udhcpc as well | 18:13 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: afaik disabling wireless (from status-menu applet) unloads modules | 18:13 |
| bencoh | I guess there is a reason | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | so he should also unload wifi module | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | and reinsert when he wants to connect | 18:13 |
| Sicelo | modules are always loaded afaik | 18:14 |
| bencoh | ? | 18:15 |
| bencoh | nope | 18:15 |
| Sicelo | and i can vouch for the soundness of this... i connect this way daily | 18:15 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, just checked | 18:16 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: me too | 18:16 |
| KotCzarny | lsmod |wc -l shows same number | 18:16 |
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| bencoh | lsmod|grep wl1 doesnt show anything | 18:16 |
| bencoh | I guess we're not talking about the same applet | 18:17 |
| KotCzarny | wl12xx | 18:17 |
| KotCzarny | i'm using stock fremantle | 18:17 |
| KotCzarny | and using 'select connection' to connect/disconnect | 18:17 |
| Sicelo | stock applet? | 18:17 |
| bencoh | I use wifi-switcher to enable/disable wireless | 18:17 |
| Vajb | im using cssu-testing | 18:17 |
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| Vajb | i did digging about wifi. Would modprobe -r wl12xx solve possible chip on issue? | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | yes, it most likely disables device | 18:47 |
| Vajb | well then it definitely wont draw any power :) | 18:48 |
| Sicelo | tell me if you don't have the module after a reboot ;p | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | why should he? | 18:49 |
| Vajb | u think it might got lost if it's not loaded when rebooting? | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 18:50 |
| Sicelo | i am saying it is always there | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | in stock fremantle, yes | 18:51 |
| Vajb | so i made script for connect and disconnect and added modprobe to both ways to be sure :p | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | now add it to desktop, and done! | 18:52 |
| Vajb | i guess wlancond is not really needed to be on as i don't use any wlan besides my own? | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | you can even write pygtk gui | 18:52 |
| Vajb | nah i can start terminal and run it from there in blink of a second | 18:52 |
| bencoh | actually I'm not sure about it powering the device down | 18:53 |
| bencoh | but it does disable the wake irq, at least | 18:54 |
| Sicelo | i would leave wlancond alone, but that's your call | 18:54 |
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| bencoh | yeah I would leave wlancond alone as well | 18:55 |
| Vajb | im not going to remove it, but just not running it after using wpa | 18:55 |
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| Sicelo | just ensure wpasupplicant & udhcpc sre killed | 18:57 |
| Sicelo | *are | 18:58 |
| Vajb | yup they are | 18:59 |
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| Vajb | k i think i found some problem | 19:14 |
| Vajb | etc/udhcpc/default.script: exec: line 7: /etc/udhcpc/default.zeroconf.dhcpup: not found | 19:14 |
| Vajb | Resetting default routes | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:14 |
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| Vajb | and that reset gives me double wlan and disconnects my gprs | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | killem'all | 19:15 |
| Vajb | exec /etc/udhcpc/default.$1 | 19:16 |
| Vajb | that's the line 7 of the file | 19:16 |
| Luke-Jr | great, my N900 won't boot | 19:19 |
| Luke-Jr | nokia screen comes up then it dies | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | maybe battery died | 19:20 |
| Luke-Jr | this is on AC | 19:20 |
| Luke-Jr | well, USB | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | even on ac with totally empty battery it will die | 19:21 |
| Luke-Jr | so how am I supposed to charge it? | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | let it charge for 10-15 minutes | 19:21 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 19:21 |
| Luke-Jr | it doesn't charge until it boots | 19:21 |
| Luke-Jr | also, it's been on USB power for days | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | it boots to initrd when connected to power | 19:21 |
| Luke-Jr | even when it died | 19:21 |
| Luke-Jr | it's NOT booting to initrd, that's my point | 19:21 |
| Sicelo | Vajb: compensate for that on your script. i would leave system scrips alone as well | 19:22 |
| Luke-Jr | oh bah | 19:22 |
| Luke-Jr | battery feels slightly bulged | 19:22 |
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| KotCzarny | do you have spare for testing? | 19:23 |
| Luke-Jr | no | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | buy cheapo chinese | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | for a quickie | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | or go to phone shop and ask for test | 19:24 |
| bencoh | mirda: dp upi get a solid yellow led when plugging it in ? | 19:24 |
| bencoh | woops. | 19:24 |
| Luke-Jr | wouldn't know where to find a battery around here | 19:24 |
| bencoh | Luke-Jr: do you get a solid yellow led when plugging it in ? | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: right hand fail ;) | 19:24 |
| Luke-Jr | bencoh: no | 19:24 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: huhu, exactly | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | luke: take out the battery, wait 5s, insert, connect to power (but dont' turn on) | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | it should boot to initrd and charge | 19:24 |
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| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: NOKIA appears, then fades in a death-style | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | do as above | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | it will take you 5 minutes to check | 19:25 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: I just did that, that's the outcome | 19:26 |
| Luke-Jr | NOKIA keeps appearing over and over, doing the same | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:26 |
| bencoh | hmm | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | reflash | 19:26 |
| bencoh | I'd try rescueos first | 19:26 |
| Vajb_ | try to keep battery out longer | 19:26 |
| mirda | hey, i had similar problem with N810 with deeply discharged battery (long time discharged), after plugging charger in it attepted to boot but then it shut down, it did repeatedly | 19:27 |
| Luke-Jr | rescueos requires booting.. | 19:27 |
| Vajb_ | i had that once after kernel update | 19:27 |
| mirda | i had to charge battery in external charger | 19:27 |
| Vajb_ | solved by removing battery for awhile | 19:27 |
| mirda | *attempted | 19:27 |
| Luke-Jr | I get solid yellow if I remove the battery with USB power :P | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | why the heck bash3 tries to remove bash | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 19:31 |
| mirda | i have this external charger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejW0o80_uyM | 19:32 |
| mirda | it is very useful, can be used also as powerbank | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | i grabbed ca-100c (chinese knockoff) | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | no electronics but works on usb | 19:32 |
| Luke-Jr | mirda: not without battery? | 19:34 |
| mirda | how do you mean it? it uses inserted battery as powerbank, it has usb port on it | 19:35 |
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| Luke-Jr | oh, it's an external charger | 19:36 |
| Luke-Jr | can't use at the same time | 19:36 |
| mirda | if my N810 battery was deeply discharged and N810 wasn't able to charge it, this charger charged that battery | 19:36 |
| Luke-Jr | I do have a spare N900 | 19:36 |
| bencoh | mirda: wow, bulky. where did you get that from ? | 19:37 |
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| mirda | bencoh: Lidl supermarket selled it one time | 19:38 |
| mirda | *sold | 19:38 |
| Luke-Jr | spare N900 has same behaviour | 19:39 |
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| bencoh | Luke-Jr: do you have only one battery for two n900s ? | 19:39 |
| Luke-Jr | bencoh: correct | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 19:39 |
| bencoh | mirda: oh, nice | 19:39 |
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| mirda | http://www.lidl-info.com/cps/rde/xchg/country_selection //this company if you know it | 19:41 |
| Luke-Jr | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA14812U3827 look ok? | 19:41 |
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| bencoh | mirda: yeah we have those in france as well | 19:42 |
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| bencoh | not sure they sell electronic stuff though | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fixed now | 19:43 |
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| Luke-Jr | or maybe http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BV25V5028 | 19:43 |
| bencoh | buying a refurb battery ? no way | 19:44 |
| Luke-Jr | bencoh: even if I don't need it to last? | 19:44 |
| Luke-Jr | got 20kWh external | 19:44 |
| Luke-Jr | bleh, $30 for overnight | 19:45 |
| * Luke-Jr ponders how to get a battery faster | 19:45 | |
| KotCzarny | lol | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | go to mall? | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | mob someone in the alley till you get compatible? | 19:46 |
| bencoh | 3xAAA and a resistance ? :> | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | n900 will accept ? | 19:46 |
| bencoh | hmm, I think so, but check the homemade/batteries thread | 19:46 |
| Luke-Jr | lol | 19:46 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: what is a mall? :p | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | shopping centre? | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.alaska.org/photos/gallery3/var/albums/anchorage-photos/Alaska-Native-Crafts/Fifth-Avenue-Mall/Fifth-Avenue-Mall-02.jpg?m=1385425014 | 19:47 |
| mirda | bencoh: they sells mostly food, drugstore, they sometime sell some electronics like various chargers, electric tools, clothes and so on | 19:48 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: yes, I mean none around here | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | ask friends? | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | family? | 19:48 |
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| KotCzarny | or have a nice detox | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | and wait 1-2 days | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:49 |
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| Luke-Jr | found a place for new ones at $30 | 19:50 |
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| bencoh | Luke-Jr: I bought a new polarcell for 13euros a month ago | 19:51 |
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| bencoh | $30 seems expensive | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | for chinese knockoff, yes | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | for original no | 19:52 |
| bencoh | sure, if you insist on having a nokia bl5J | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | got a cheap place for dual size ones? | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | (cheap and good) | 19:53 |
| bencoh | nope | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | i got mugen cover for 5$ few years ago | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | but never got around to get a battery | 19:54 |
| Luke-Jr | same here | 19:54 |
| bencoh | I wouldnt use it anyway | 19:54 |
| Luke-Jr | although I thought it was more than $5 | 19:54 |
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| KotCzarny | i would | 19:54 |
| bencoh | n900 is bulky enough :) | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | yes, that's why it doesnt matter much ;) | 19:54 |
| bencoh | it's almost thicker than my laptop ... | 19:54 |
| Luke-Jr | bencoh: meh, I'm happy carrying around N900 + external battery the same sizer | 19:54 |
| Luke-Jr | both fit in my pocket fine | 19:55 |
| Luke-Jr | along with my other pocket contents | 19:55 |
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| KotCzarny | wth | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | (null)$ ls -l oscp | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | -rwxrwxr-x 1 sbox sbox 4320100 Mar 2 10:36 oscp | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | (null)$ rm oscp | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | rm: cannot remove `oscp': Permission denied | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | am i stupid or it's too late for me to think? | 19:57 |
| Luke-Jr | be the root | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | see the owner? | 19:57 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: ls -lhd | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | (null)$ ls -lhd oscp | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | -rwxrwxr-x 1 sbox sbox 4.2M Mar 2 10:36 oscp | 19:57 |
| bencoh | no, ls -lhd :p | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | hmm? | 19:57 |
| bencoh | on the folder ;) | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | right | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | +1 for bencoh | 19:57 |
| Luke-Jr | ls: cannot access :p: No such file or directory | 19:58 |
| kerio | LOL | 20:02 |
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| KotCzarny | merlin1991: ping | 20:31 |
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| merlin1991 | Pong | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | uploading to extras-devel diablo is the same as fremantle? | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | ie. i only change fremantle part to diablo? | 20:36 |
| merlin1991 | Should be | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | k, upped, i hope it gets through | 20:38 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. it doesnt matter that deb name is the same as in fremantle? | 20:39 |
| merlin1991 | No | 20:40 |
| merlin1991 | The 2 repositories are independend | 20:40 |
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| KotCzarny | so, can you check if it's ok? | 20:41 |
| KotCzarny | otoh i should try to install on device first | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | good. it runs ok | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | phew | 20:45 |
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| KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/non-free/o/oscp/ | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | and apparently it did | 20:48 |
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| KotCzarny | umm, kay, oscp 0.9.7-6 is in diablo repo | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | why does http://maemo.org/packages/view/oscp/ shows only -5 ? | 22:38 |
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| Pali | non-free? | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 22:49 |
| Pali | updating packages webpage too long | 22:50 |
| Pali | sometimes more hours... | 22:50 |
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| KotCzarny | i dont believe that, builder is sleeping | 22:51 |
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| Luke-Jr | turned out it was a Duracel 1050 :/ | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | was what? | 23:08 |
| Luke-Jr | the local store's battery | 23:08 |
| Luke-Jr | for $30 | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | fast/cheap/good | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | choose 2 | 23:09 |
| Luke-Jr | I hope Duracel was fast/good | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | but at least it booted? | 23:09 |
| Luke-Jr | yes | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | hah, i guessed right | 23:09 |
| Luke-Jr | he also confirmed the old batt was NG | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | ng? | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | near goddamnbomb? | 23:10 |
| Luke-Jr | no good | 23:10 |
| Luke-Jr | he spun it on the counter | 23:10 |
| Luke-Jr | and said it shouldn't spin | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 23:11 |
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| KotCzarny | bencoh, you know what could be nice point of oscp? it doesn't rely on anything that system media player does | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | so if one ever wants to disable trackerd, got tired of mafw/gst, oscp is independent | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:17 |
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