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| KotCzarny | sicelo: thx a lot, just wanted to make sure it's not dumb cable | 08:22 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 09:21 |
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| KotCzarny | zgrr: hello | 10:00 |
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| zGrr | hi KotCzarny :) | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | have you tried oscp yet? | 10:06 |
| zGrr | nope | 10:06 |
| zGrr | I have very little time to spare to my toys. | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | do you use any audio player usually? | 10:06 |
| zGrr | Panucci. | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | and you play music only on n900? | 10:07 |
| zGrr | it's very well suited to audiobooks and the podcasts. Not very good for the music. | 10:07 |
| zGrr | At the moment, yes. | 10:07 |
| zGrr | It's my primary phone. | 10:07 |
| zGrr | I gave up on N9. Never liked it. I think it was badly designed. | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:08 |
| zGrr | I still have some hope for the Neo900 | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | neo900 is gonna be too pricy too me | 10:09 |
| zGrr | yes it will. | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | and they aren't big corpo to promote developers :/ | 10:10 |
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| zGrr | do not expect MBA morons, who rule corpo world to be capable of understanding these things at all. | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | still, nokia gave out a bunch of devices to devs | 10:12 |
| zGrr | nokia ceased to exist long ago. | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | that's true | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | i'm talking about pre 2010 nokia | 10:13 |
| zGrr | do you mean n950? | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | that too | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | they were sending earlier models to devs too | 10:13 |
| zGrr | I have read, that the N950 was supposed to be mass produced cheap smartphone designed for users in developing countries. | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | ['] | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | rip n950 | 10:15 |
| zGrr | It was great concept in my opinion. it's a shame that it failed. | 10:15 |
| zGrr | actually it didn't fail | 10:15 |
| zGrr | it was assasinated. | 10:15 |
| Sicelo | zGrr: no, N950 was never to be a cheap smartphone. you're likely mixing it up with Meltemi OS, which fits your description | 10:17 |
| zGrr | cheaper than N9? | 10:18 |
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| KotCzarny | nokia asha is the successor of meltemi os | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | and to think whole line could have had linux :/ | 10:19 |
| Sicelo | Meltemi? yes zGrr. seems that was the plan | 10:20 |
| Sicelo | N950 is just an early N9 :) | 10:20 |
| Sicelo | which of course is a great device because of the HW-kbd | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | english wikipedia doesnt even had an entry on meltemi | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltemi_%28system_operacyjny%29 | 10:21 |
| zGrr | and the resistive touchscreen | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | polish one has | 10:21 |
| Sicelo | tmo has a thread on it | 10:23 |
| zGrr | ... and the "simplified" Chinese one. | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_X_platform | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | nice, nokia flavour of android | 10:25 |
| * KotCzarny shrugs | 10:25 | |
| KotCzarny | at least this one died | 10:25 |
| zGrr | i wouldn't call _any_ flavour of nice. | 10:26 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah, should've wrote 'nice' | 10:26 |
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| Sicelo | i wonder if anyone has hacked the N1 tablet yet.. | 10:34 |
| Sicelo | or even the Nokia X's | 10:34 |
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| KotCzarny | so, i would like my package promoted to extras | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | what i do? | 12:22 |
| bencoh | ask people to vote for it to be promoted :) | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, would you vote? | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:22 |
| bencoh | https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#Promoting_packages_to_extras-testing | 12:23 |
| bencoh | I haven't tested it, since it's non-free/binary-only ;) | 12:23 |
| bencoh | you need to promote to extra-testing first, and for that you should check a few things first | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | looking at the list at '[edit] Promotion checks' it checks out | 12:24 |
| bencoh | that's automatic, see the next section | 12:25 |
| KotCzarny | i think that also checks out | 12:26 |
| Sicelo | Pali kknows a way to 'self-promote? ... not sure if that is time-based | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, it complains that i have no bugtracker link, but it is in control file | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | Bugtracker: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?group_id=2392 | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | unless name is different for maemo? | 12:32 |
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| bencoh | Sicelo: self-promote to extras ? | 12:43 |
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| Sicelo | something like that, yes | 12:50 |
| Sicelo | or is it to extras-testing ... not too sure | 12:53 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | according to some other page there should be a 'promote' button: | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/oscp/0.9.7-2/ | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | but there isn't any | 14:32 |
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| totalizator | you are not the maintainer of your own package :3 | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | lol? | 15:21 |
| totalizator | Promotion checks: Promoting person is maintainer for the package | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 15:21 |
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| stryngs | /var/lib | 20:04 |
| stryngs | cant i bind this to another directory? | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | ln -sf | 20:04 |
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| KotCzarny | but it's not recommended | 20:07 |
| stryngs | why not | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | as some mounts aren't available early in boot | 20:07 |
| stryngs | specifically /var/lib/dpkg | 20:07 |
| stryngs | and thats my question | 20:07 |
| stryngs | the boot thing | 20:07 |
| stryngs | i want to move var/lib/dpkg to /dev/mmcblk0p2 | 20:08 |
| stryngs | its hoggin 34mb on / | 20:08 |
| stryngs | not cool | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | isn't that already optified? | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | at least on n800 | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | haven't checked n900 | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | but dpkg/apt stuff is safe to move and symlink | 20:09 |
| stryngs | right but /var/lib | 20:10 |
| stryngs | would like to move it as a whole =) | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | i wouldn't move it without checking /etc first | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | or doing mmc boot | 20:10 |
| stryngs | cant do mmc boot | 20:11 |
| stryngs | sd card dead | 20:11 |
| stryngs | i/o jacked up | 20:11 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 20:11 |
| KotCzarny | internal? | 20:11 |
| stryngs | yea | 20:11 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 20:11 |
| Sicelo | why don't you just empty that directory | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | what did you do to the poor thing | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: bad idea | 20:12 |
| stryngs | Sicelo: it's essential to apt-get is it not? | 20:12 |
| stryngs | Nokia-N900:/var/lib# du -h | tail -n 1 | 20:12 |
| stryngs | 34.5M . | 20:12 |
| stryngs | thats a lot of space | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | it's not the pkg cache | 20:12 |
| Sicelo | don't you have debs in there? | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | its info about what's installed etc | 20:13 |
| Sicelo | ah | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: apt has cache on mmc | 20:13 |
| stryngs | its how u would do | 20:13 |
| stryngs | dpkg -S <filename> | 20:13 |
| stryngs | etc... | 20:13 |
| stryngs | i'm just wondering if i can rbind it at boot to mmcblk0p2 | 20:13 |
| stryngs | and save space | 20:13 |
| stryngs | specifically i'd like to move /var/lib to mmcblk0p2 | 20:14 |
| stryngs | considering it holds gems and crap | 20:14 |
| stryngs | i guess one way to find out... | 20:15 |
| stryngs | =/ | 20:15 |
| Sicelo | :) | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | leonard nimoy (spock) is dead | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | :/ | 20:16 |
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| stryngs | Hes dead jim! | 20:16 |
| stryngs | DEAD | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | \\// | 20:16 |
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| stryngs | hmm | 20:17 |
| stryngs | var and lib | 20:17 |
| stryngs | i'd like to move em both | 20:17 |
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| KotCzarny | prepare to reflash and go | 20:17 |
| stryngs | meh | 20:17 |
| stryngs | gunna wait till my friend answers me | 20:17 |
| stryngs | hes smart =) | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | i tell you | 20:17 |
| stryngs | ? | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | /var has importants | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | don't touch it | 20:17 |
| stryngs | right | 20:18 |
| stryngs | but /var/lib | 20:18 |
| stryngs | or at least /var/lib/dpkg | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | i told you, you can move /var/lib/dpkg and symlink it | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | it's safe | 20:18 |
| stryngs | Ah | 20:18 |
| stryngs | k | 20:18 |
| stryngs | great | 20:18 |
| stryngs | ! | 20:18 |
| stryngs | and /lbi? | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | don't | 20:18 |
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| stryngs | prolly not? | 20:18 |
| stryngs | =( | 20:18 |
| stryngs | ok | 20:18 |
| stryngs | hey thats 34mb! | 20:19 |
| stryngs | big boost | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | you can also move /usr/local | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | unless it's already optified | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | some packages badly put stuff there | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | and if you have installed gcc on the device you can move /usr/lib/gcc | 20:20 |
| stryngs | i've moved all of /usr =) | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | no, you didnt | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 20:21 |
| stryngs | I did | 20:21 |
| stryngs | http://termbin.com/3uzq | 20:21 |
| stryngs | And i also dont optify | 20:21 |
| stryngs | pymaemo-optify is an empty deb for me | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | did it boot after that? | 20:21 |
| stryngs | just fine | 20:21 |
| stryngs | snappy too | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:22 |
| Sicelo | you sure not placebo effect? | 20:22 |
| stryngs | no | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: it's possible that it's faster | 20:22 |
| stryngs | My n900 is very snappy | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | 2 different devices | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | instead of one internal flash | 20:22 |
| stryngs | Thats true too | 20:22 |
| stryngs | ^ | 20:22 |
| stryngs | I recommend my way over any cssu way any day of the week | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 20:23 |
| stryngs | minus the tweaks for cssu | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | as long some smartass don't break your system | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | *doesn't | 20:23 |
| stryngs | http://ethicalreporting.org/pwn | 20:23 |
| stryngs | pwnphone v3 =) | 20:23 |
| stryngs | Enjoy | 20:23 |
| stryngs | You'll thank me for it | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | nah, i'm good | 20:23 |
| stryngs | Nokia-N900:/var/lib/dpkg# bash --version | 20:24 |
| stryngs | GNU bash, version 4.3.33(1)-release (armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi) | 20:24 |
| * stryngs flexes | 20:24 | |
| stryngs | heh | 20:25 |
| stryngs | I have /lib done too | 20:25 |
| stryngs | didnt know that | 20:25 |
| stryngs | alright KotCzarny, attempting var/lib/dpkg freedom | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | i think i have moved dpkg/apt dirs long time ago | 20:27 |
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| ecc3g | did bash finally get updated in the repo for shellshock? | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | does it matter? | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | maemo most likely has more holes than shellshock | 20:50 |
| ecc3g | it shows a sign of the liveliness of maemo community and willingness to fix bugs regardless of perceived importance. | 20:51 |
| ecc3g | not fixed for a month, fine. Not fixed ever... this is sad. | 20:51 |
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| KotCzarny | i treat n900 as a personal media player with phone feature | 20:52 |
| KotCzarny | even 1024x768 is too small to browse web nowadays | 20:52 |
| stryngs | i updated bash ecc3g | 20:57 |
| stryngs | if u want the deb u can grab it from my repo | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | or build yourself | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | that's the beauty of n8x0/n900 | 20:57 |
| stryngs | i treat the n900 as a shell in my pocket | 20:57 |
| stryngs | i want to fix ghost | 20:57 |
| stryngs | just havent gotten around to it | 20:57 |
| stryngs | and yeah the screen size sucks | 20:58 |
| stryngs | hence, ssh | 20:58 |
| stryngs | its shell in jy pocket=) | 20:58 |
| ecc3g | well as the reasons already said, it doesn't really matter, heck I don't even use bash... but having the repo modified means a lot... | 20:59 |
| stryngs | yep | 20:59 |
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| stryngs | I will always have an n900 | 20:59 |
| stryngs | and im always tinkering | 20:59 |
| ecc3g | or even better, remove it from the repo... | 20:59 |
| ecc3g | that's what Gentoo does... hah. | 20:59 |
| stryngs | TO date, i've built 77 .debs for it =) | 21:00 |
| ecc3g | but leaving known buggy software there... that's just not right. | 21:00 |
| stryngs | i agree | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | stryngs: as i said, that's the beauty of this device | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | you can fix it yourself | 21:00 |
| stryngs | true | 21:01 |
| stryngs | but if people dont share the work | 21:01 |
| stryngs | it defeats the community concept | 21:01 |
| ecc3g | everything you can fix yourself, but it reflects poorly on the community that these repos not modified | 21:01 |
| stryngs | ^^ | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | ecc3g: what about android devices stuck with 2.x ? | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | etc? | 21:01 |
| ecc3g | they suffer the same problem. | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | you have no chance to fix them | 21:02 |
| stryngs | but u can fix bash on maemo is what hes sayiong | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | they are often locked to prevent modifying | 21:02 |
| stryngs | i did.. | 21:02 |
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| stryngs | the reason i dont push to the maemo archives is because of my build technique | 21:02 |
| stryngs | i use dpkg-deb -b <dir> . | 21:02 |
| stryngs | as well as custom make instructions etc... | 21:02 |
| stryngs | Plus | 21:02 |
| stryngs | I don't optify | 21:02 |
| stryngs | because optification is retarded | 21:02 |
| stryngs | So my debs would kill anybody's normal n900 on / | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | problem with bash is that people are afraid to touch system thingies needed to boot | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | scripts could rely on some unsupported syntax, bugs etc | 21:04 |
| ecc3g | but we just said most people dont use bash, it will not affect boot. | 21:06 |
| stryngs | ^ | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | then there is no shellshock problem | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | if it's not used | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:06 |
| ecc3g | for people who DO use it, it's a problem. | 21:06 |
| stryngs | ^ | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | people who use it have to install it anyway | 21:07 |
| KotCzarny | to have newer version | 21:07 |
| stryngs | right | 21:07 |
| stryngs | but it should be apt-get | 21:07 |
| stryngs | not ./configure | 21:07 |
| stryngs | otherwise, what the hell is the pt of a debian system | 21:07 |
| ecc3g | I don't know why people would defend the bad software. It also looks bad to potential neo900 users who may end up using this too | 21:08 |
| stryngs | ^^ | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | extras has http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/b/bash4/ | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | 4.2.20 | 21:08 |
| stryngs | yep | 21:08 |
| stryngs | and thats vuln | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | needs update | 21:08 |
| stryngs | 13:24 < stryngs> GNU bash, version 4.3.33(1)-release (armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi) | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash/ | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | no maintainer | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | anyone up for grabs? | 21:09 |
| stryngs | sure | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash4/ | 21:10 |
| stryngs | Ill do it | 21:10 |
| stryngs | if i can build without scratchbox | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | and this one should be notified | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | stryngs: build on the device | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:10 |
| stryngs | yep | 21:10 |
| stryngs | I do | 21:10 |
| stryngs | and i have dh_make working finally | 21:10 |
| stryngs | the problem is the optify crap | 21:10 |
| stryngs | does optify affect /usr/share? | 21:11 |
| KotCzarny | mailto:milang@tal.org | 21:11 |
| KotCzarny | you can start with mailing the guy to update bash4 | 21:11 |
| KotCzarny | for starters | 21:11 |
| ecc3g | no, he gave up on it apparently. Someone else needs to take over. | 21:11 |
| stryngs | Heh, he's obviously a bit behind | 21:11 |
| ecc3g | if only I knew how to build these. As I am not a Debian user I have utterly no clue how to do debs... | 21:11 |
| stryngs | taint hard ecc3g | 21:11 |
| stryngs | Ill give u a class if uw ant | 21:11 |
| KotCzarny | stryngs: take the bash4 maintenance | 21:11 |
| stryngs | both the right and hacker way =) | 21:11 |
| stryngs | well | 21:12 |
| stryngs | Does it need optifying | 21:12 |
| stryngs | thats the trick | 21:12 |
| stryngs | cause i cant optify | 21:12 |
| stryngs | not using dh_make anyways | 21:12 |
| ecc3g | has to be the "right" way plus whatever the maemo rep autobuilder does | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | stryngs: nah | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | just trim the unneeded stuff | 21:12 |
| ecc3g | <- Gentoo user... so stuck doing things the gentoo way... | 21:12 |
| stryngs | pymaemo-optify is an empty deb on my system | 21:12 |
| stryngs | ecc3g: Steps to build a .deb: | 21:12 |
| stryngs | get ssource, tar zxf it. cd to it. ./configure --prefix=/usr;make;make install DESTDIR /root/foo;cd /root/foo;mkdir DEBIAN | 21:13 |
| ecc3g | well, it would involve scratchbox or whatever x-compile system the autobuilder uses so whatever is here, isn't complete... | 21:13 |
| stryngs | make a control file, throw it in DEBIAN | 21:13 |
| stryngs | cd /root | 21:13 |
| stryngs | dpkg-deb -b foo . | 21:13 |
| stryngs | done | 21:13 |
| stryngs | =) | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | you can even grab the source from the debian page | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | and build it | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | as it's already debianized | 21:13 |
| stryngs | doesnt involve scratchbox ecc3g | 21:13 |
| ecc3g | but not maemonized. | 21:13 |
| stryngs | there is no maemonized | 21:14 |
| stryngs | it's called optification | 21:14 |
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| stryngs | and it simply takes stuff from / and puts it on /home | 21:14 |
| stryngs | for space purposes | 21:14 |
| stryngs | and its gay | 21:14 |
| stryngs | shoulda been done way diff | 21:14 |
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| KotCzarny | still, we can get away with bash4 being >400kb | 21:14 |
| stryngs | Nokia-N900:/bin# ls -lih bash 235270 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 818.5K Dec 31 16:18 bash | 21:15 |
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| KotCzarny | as for maemoizing, just take a diff and see what they patched | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | if anything | 21:20 |
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| ecc3g | if they didnt change anything, then it should be trivial to update... | 21:30 |
| KotCzarny | most likely | 21:31 |
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| KotCzarny | who assigns package maintainers on maemo.org? | 21:47 |
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| M4rtinK | that's a good question | 21:54 |
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