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OksanaHow difficult would it be for maemo to use something else instead of pulseaudio? alsa or something?03:20
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sixwheeledbeast1Oksana: I would have thought this would have been considered before trying to RE.13:52
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secI tried compiling on the device. I don't even have ./configure working after installing build-essential ._.19:39
bencohI know you dont like scratchbox (I dont really like it either) but maybe you should considere using it19:41
bencoh-e19:41
secHm, doing that now19:41
bencohplus you'd get nice&neat debian packages ;)19:41
secIs there a VM I can download?19:42
bencohI think so19:44
bencoh~sb19:44
infobotrumour has it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB19:44
secTy!19:44
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ecc3g~scratchbox20:14
infobotscratchbox is, like, a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB20:14
ecc3gah.20:14
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stryngsno need for scratchbox20:26
stryngsjust an fyi20:26
stryngssec: u can easily build locally20:26
secstryngs, how so?20:27
secTell me your secrets20:27
stryngs./configure && make?20:27
sec./configure doesn't exist apparently20:27
stryngswhat are u trying to compile?20:27
stryngswhat src20:27
secirssi20:27
stryngsah20:28
stryngsi always fail with that20:28
sec:/20:28
stryngsi tried to get perl support on it20:28
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secI was trying without perl support20:28
stryngsshould work fine then, should20:28
secIF ./configure would work20:28
stryngswhat error are u getting?20:28
bencohdont we have irssi in extras already ?20:28
sec./configure: no such file or directory20:28
secbencoh: I was trying to see if compiling natively works or not20:28
secI failed at step 120:29
bencohsec: oh btw, I have a half-baked weechat20:29
secD: give it to me20:29
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bencohpackaging failed because of some stuff missing for doc generation20:29
sec:<20:29
secstryngs: I am pulling sources from git, so20:29
secThere's a configure.ac file also in there, it *should* work20:30
stryngswell ./ is indicitave of a script20:30
bencohsec: I could still send you the whole directory if you want20:30
bencohsources, binaries, and all20:30
stryngsso ./configure calls the file configure =)20:30
stryngsso if u have no file or directory, then perhaps u have to automake it20:30
secThat'd be awesome bencoh20:30
bencohbtw I patched mupdf a bit and updated to 1.620:30
secHonestly, I just want any kind of dev environment up so I can compile as I wish20:31
bencohI havent uploaded to extra-devel because I'm afraid recent libmupdf-dev would break compat with floatboat20:31
stryngssec: Im grabbing irssi20:31
stryngsI will tell u your error in a moment20:31
secThanks <320:31
stryngsIt's probably not ./confiugre20:31
stryngsjust a heads up20:31
secShould be :/ worked last I tried on debian20:31
sec~sdk20:32
infobotsomebody said sdk was http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt"20:32
bencohmupdf is now able to get focus (keyboard/fullscreen events), use zoom(sound) keys20:32
bencohand recent versions have mouse/touchscreen "scroll" support20:32
bencohmeaning you can zoom using volume keys and move around/change page with touchscreen20:32
secD:20:33
bencohI should get in touch with current maintainer but feel free to ask for a .deb meanwhile20:33
bencoh(it seems way more usable than stock pdfreader to me)20:34
stryngsNokia-N900:~/irssi-0.8.17# ./configure20:34
stryngschecking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c20:34
stryngschecking whether build environment is sane... yes20:34
stryngschecking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /usr/bin/gmkdir -p20:34
stryngschecking for gawk... gawk20:34
stryngsworks fine sec20:34
sec-.-20:34
secWhat am I missing then20:34
stryngsthe file?20:34
secbuild-essential should do it right?20:34
stryngscnfigure is a file20:34
stryngsnot a command20:34
secconfigure.ac?20:34
bencohsec: did you fetch from git ?20:34
secYes bencoh20:34
stryngsno20:34
stryngsconfigure20:34
bencohsec: get a release tarball20:34
* stryngs nod20:35
bencohor go through autotools hell20:35
bencohbut I wouldnt try that on native :)20:35
bencoh(not on old maemo at least)20:35
secEr, stryngs is the file called configure.ac or configure?20:35
stryngsBuilding with Perl support ....... : NO! - Error linking with perl libraries: -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE -lperl -ldl -lm -lpthread -lcrypt: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl20:35
stryngsconfigure20:35
bencohsec: autoconf generates configure from configure.ac20:35
stryngsI hate perl on the n90020:35
sec._.20:35
* stryngs nods at bencoh 20:35
bencohjust fetch a tarball release20:35
secOh no wonder20:35
secThese are the only repos you need usually right -20:37
secdeb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free &20:37
secdeb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free20:37
sec+ their deb-src20:37
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secErr, tarball worked ._.20:43
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secOk, something's wrong with their latest git then20:43
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bencohsec: it's not wrong, you're just missing some autotools knowledge to use it20:47
bencoh:)20:47
secNope, configure.ac in tarball too20:47
bencohconfigure.ac is not used in a tarball release20:48
secIt is :<20:49
secI just downloaded it20:49
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bencohit is present20:49
bencohbut not used20:49
secOh20:49
secUm, I am missing glib20:50
Sicelostryngs: irssi on forums isn't good enough for you?20:50
secSicelo: blame me, I am using yours, but I would like to get a build environment up, and irssi seems to a be a decent middle ground20:51
Siceloalready has perl ( and i'm sure *you* were one of the first to know)20:51
Siceloah :)20:51
Sicelook20:51
sec:P20:51
sec~glib20:51
infobotThe GLib library of C routines. URL: http://www.gtk.org/20:51
secBad infobot20:51
Sicelosec: maybe you can then upload to repos (which i was lazy to do)20:51
secI need to get it working first ;)20:52
bencohsec: you should see wiki about sb20:52
bencohthere is a nice page on how to set it up20:52
secYes I will come to that as well!20:53
secDepending on how many days compiling takes on this xD20:53
stryngsI was Sicelo =)20:54
stryngsI just like to compile stuff myself20:54
stryngsAnd you should definately upload to the repos Sicelo20:55
stryngsYou did the work =)20:55
secstryngs++20:55
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secBuilding with Perl support ....... : NO! :(20:57
secBut progress!20:57
secchecking for working Perl support... ok21:00
sec\o/21:00
* sec hands everyone a beer21:01
stryngswtf21:01
stryngsWHAT did u do sec?21:01
secMagic21:02
stryngsplz tell?21:02
stryngsConsidering u did it natively21:02
secapt-get install libperl-dev21:02
sec:P21:02
stryngsE: Couldn't find package libperl-dev21:03
stryngswhat repo from?21:03
sechttp://repository.maemo.org/21:04
secSDK21:04
stryngshmm21:04
secdeb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free21:04
stryngsand it doesnt bitch about /scratchbox21:04
stryngsinteresting21:04
stryngsthanks dude21:04
stryngsgunna dpkg -x it and check it out21:04
secWouldn't get here if you didn't help earlier xD21:04
secI had assumed it was broken somewhere :P21:04
stryngsi try to avoid SDK stuff if possible21:05
secI'll get autotools working too so I can get git versions compiled21:05
stryngsbecause of sb dependencies for those debs21:05
stryngs=)21:05
bencohnot sure this is completely "safe" for a daily phone system21:05
secIt's not a daily phone :P21:06
bencohI expect your deps to break at some point but I dunno21:06
bencohhaha21:06
stryngshmm, its not there sec21:06
stryngswtf21:06
secErm, I just installed it ._.21:06
stryngsyeah but im not apt-get21:06
secGet:1 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free libperl-dev 5.8.3-3osso13+0m5 [567kB]21:06
stryngsim going to the repo via url =)21:06
stryngslibpaper/                                          18-May-2010 11:55                   -21:07
stryngslibpcap/                                           18-May-2010 11:55                   -21:07
stryngslibpciaccess/                                      18-May-2010 11:55                   -21:07
stryngslibpng3/                                           18-May-2010 11:55                   -21:07
stryngslibpthread-stubs/                                  18-May-2010 11:55                   -21:07
secLol21:07
stryngslibptypes/        ...21:07
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stryngsAHAH21:09
salamisamiHi21:09
stryngsits not in right location!21:09
stryngshttp://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/p/perl/21:09
stryngswoo21:09
salamisamiMy n900 cameria isn't working21:09
salamisamiIs there a way to see if it is a problem with hardware or software?21:10
salamisamiI guess I could flash it but it's such a drag21:10
stryngswhat are symptoms salamisami ?21:10
salamisamiI launch the camera app and open the lens cover but it still thinks its on21:11
stryngsclose camera app, open lens cover21:11
stryngswhat happens21:11
salamisami"open the lens cover", the camera application says21:11
salamisaminothing happens21:12
stryngssensor broke21:12
stryngsopen the back21:12
stryngsshould be a little mechanical sensor21:12
stryngsat least i think thats how it works21:12
salamisamiYou mean disassemble my n900?21:12
secTry lshal21:12
stryngsno, take the back piece off21:12
secand see if it detects the cover opening21:12
stryngslook at it21:12
stryngsdont be afraid to take it apart21:13
stryngsive gutted mine for fun before =)21:13
stryngssec, yer da man =)21:13
stryngsNICE sec21:13
stryngsno /sb21:13
stryngslooks sane21:13
stryngsno postinst or preinst nonsense21:14
stryngsnormal compiled deb21:14
* stryngs cheers21:14
sec:P21:14
secsalamisami: lshal -m21:14
secand open and close lense cover to see if it's detected21:14
stryngsU could bang on it a bit =)21:15
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salamisamiOk I will try it soon21:16
salamisamiDevice is updating atm21:16
salamisamiThank you for your time21:16
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Sicelosec: you building on device?21:20
secYes21:20
sechttp://i.imgur.com/4SUUxvO.png21:21
salamisamiNope nothing happens21:21
salamisamilshal is monitoring while i open the lens cover and no feedback21:22
secIt's not detecting your lense cover being opened then21:22
salamisamiThat would seem to be the case21:22
secLooks like this21:22
sec00:52:26.748: platform_cam_shutter property button.state.value = true21:22
sec00:52:26.796: platform_cam_shutter condition ButtonPressed = cover21:22
salamisamiyep, not seeing that21:22
salamisamiSo I guess the sensor is broken then21:23
salamisamiIs it possible to bypass the sensor somehow?21:23
secI'd guess so too, try putting a magnet against the back21:23
secMaybe it's the magnet problems21:23
stryngs^21:23
stryngsHence21:23
stryngsOPEN the back =)21:23
seclshal -m and magnet that shit21:23
stryngsand look at it21:23
Siceloi think magnet is for just the back cover. cam shutter should be a light sensor21:23
secSicelo: mine reacts to a magnet21:24
Sicelohmm, ok21:24
secI found out when I lost mine and needed to get the SD card working21:24
Siceloyes, of course sd card depends on magnet on the cover ..21:24
secYep, and lshal started spewing messages about the shutter too21:25
Siceloi see21:25
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salamisamimagnet's giving readings21:26
salamisamiyep its the exact lines you posted21:26
sec;)21:26
secYou're missing a magnet my friend21:26
salamisamiuhhuh21:26
stryngsprolly fell off21:26
stryngsinside the case21:26
stryngslooks like an s21:26
salamisamiIs there a way to fix it without paying for things?21:26
stryngsopen it carefully21:26
stryngsglue21:26
stryngsopen it carefully and look for it, its about 1/4 inch long and resembles an s21:27
secYou just need to glue a tiny magnet under the support thingy at the back21:27
Sicelosalamisami: no. lol. you pay at least in investment of time ;)21:27
salamisamistryng, the cam's been broken for a long while now, its not behind the cover anymore if it ever was21:28
salamisamior well, the camera hasnt been broken but disabled21:28
secWell atleast you know what's wrong now :P21:28
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secMy magnet fell off the damn day I got my device -.-21:29
secSadly, I didn't know it made half the shit in the back work so I managed to lose it easily21:29
secbencoh: I bought me a Jolla but this is still my go to companion device (yes grab your pitchforks)21:30
salamisamiI just bought a 64 gb N921:31
salamisamiunfortunately its got small scratches and wear21:32
secMy N900 is nearly mint :D21:32
secI took good care of it21:32
salamisamiso now i'm in an auction for one in almost pristine condition but defective :P21:32
secExcept the damn magnet21:32
salamisamithen I'll just swap the mobos and ta-dah21:33
secI want one of those bigger covers for mine so I can put two batteries together21:33
salamisamiWoulda gotten a Jolla but the hardware and workmanship just doesn't compare21:34
salamisamialso its xboxhuge21:34
secI kinda like it actually21:34
salamisamiYeah but N9's got great audio and a neat camera, plus its perfect size for me21:35
secWell yes, the Jolla is a little too big for me too21:35
secWould be perfect if it were ~1.5 cms smaller both sides21:36
salamisamii admire the tohkbd crews efforts but just imagine it with that21:36
secBut I <3 the OS21:36
salamisamiWould be neat if you could install a working sailfish on an android device with a hardware kb21:37
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secWell for what I paid for mine (~175 Euros), it's perfect!21:45
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salamisamilYou bought it second hand, yes?21:47
secNope, brand new unpacked, from someone who never bothered to open it xD21:47
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salamisamiI'll be sure to install Ubiboot and try the Sailfish image on N9 though21:48
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secbrb21:49
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salamisamiHow active is the Sailfish OS community by the way?22:00
salamisamiMaemo was pretty active back in the day22:00
salamisamiJudging from the sparsity of apps its not quite on the same level22:00
salamisamiHopefully with improvements to the system the communtiy will grow22:00
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secPretty active22:02
sec#sailfishos22:03
sec#jollamobile22:03
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secbencoh: I compiled weechat :)22:11
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salamisamiI wonder if the TOHKBD will make devs on Jolla more active22:14
secWell they're outselling everything they crowd fund, they must be doing something right :P22:15
secTheir tablet is funded 300% now22:15
salamisamiWell that's true, but you have to consider that their initial goal was not extremely high22:16
M4rtinKsalamisami: well I see people wanting real Linux keyboard smartphones all the time22:16
M4rtinKso hopefully yes22:16
salamisamiAnyway I was referring to community devs, not the Jolla company guys22:16
secYes there are plenty salamisami22:17
M4rtinKBTW, a lot of people still use the N900 as their main device as that is still pretty much only such thing in existence22:17
secM4rtinK++22:17
secAnd probably the only one that will be for a long long time22:17
M4rtinKBTW, it is not only coding and CLI22:17
M4rtinKthink about SMS,IM,Emails22:18
M4rtinKeven gaming - you don't want to use a console emulator with touchscreen :)22:18
stryngsi use my n900 for ninja stuff =)22:18
stryngsit's a devious device if wanted =)22:18
bencohsec: kewl :)22:21
sec[100%] Built target weechat22:21
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sec:D/-\ :D<-/22:22
stryngsBuilding with Perl support ....... : static (in irssi binary)22:22
stryngsPerl library directory ........... : (site default - /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.3)22:22
* stryngs hugs sec22:22
stryngsv nice! =)22:22
* bencoh grabs his pitchfork ---[==22:22
sec:P22:22
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secWeeChat 1.0.1 [compiled on Nov 21 2014 20:12:24]22:23
sec:D22:23
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bencohmeh, agressive linux disk caching .... my maemo/sb vm is all swapped out22:24
* sec is on a spree22:24
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* sec giggles22:27
secCTCP version me :322:27
bencoh21:27 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from sec: WeeChat 1.0.1 (Nov 21 2014)22:27
bencoh(done already ;p)22:28
secxD22:28
bencohdid you get proper gnutls support ?22:28
secYep22:28
bencohhmm22:28
secHold on, I'll jump on SSL22:28
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bencohlooks like it didnt go well :>22:32
Sicelohaha22:32
bencoh(I had trouble building weechat with maemo gnutls, so ... :])22:32
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Siceloi see. that sucks then. what is the problem?22:34
bencohI dont remember precisely .... rebuilding :)22:36
bencohooh, right, libtool stuff regarding a broken .la file22:38
bencohin gnutls22:38
bencohwhich leads to /scratchbox/tools/bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libgpg-error.la: No such file or directory22:38
bencohlibtool: link: `/usr/lib/libgpg-error.la' is not a valid libtool archive22:38
stryngswhat the hell is a garbage collector for irssi?22:38
bencohbecause some crazy guy hardcoded .la files in libgnutls.la22:38
bencohdependency_libs=' -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libtasn1.la -L/scratchbox/devkits/apt-https/lib /usr/lib/libgpg-error.la -lz /usr/lib/libgcrypt.la -lgpg-error'22:39
bencohwhich means I cant build against gnutls without mangling or repackaging it22:39
bencohor repackaging libgpg-error.la with libtool files, but I think we want to avoid those in maemo22:40
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secOh god that was horrid22:47
secWhy does weechat have such an innane way of validating certs22:47
bencohhaha22:47
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bencohso did you build against openssl or gnutls ?22:47
bencoh(ldd weechat maybe ?)22:48
stryngshmm22:48
secopenssl22:48
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stryngssec did u enable garbage-collection for irssi?22:48
bencohthat's what I thought22:48
secNo gnutls libraries in maemo :P22:48
secstryngs: nope22:48
stryngsany idea what it does?22:48
bencohsec: actually we have gnutls but .la in libgnutls-dev is kinda broken22:48
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stryngsheh, fails to build22:48
bencohwhich makes it pretty much unusable for automated builds22:48
sechm22:50
secThese libraries are sooo old half of the scripts are not working22:52
secSo much for using weechat22:53
bencohhaha22:53
stryngssec, what does it require?22:53
secstryngs: doesn't require anything, just full of bugs gah22:53
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secPython 2.5 and Perl from WW222:54
stryngshaha22:54
bencohhmm, I dont see any openssl codepath in weechat, dunno how yours can work without gnutls22:54
sec:D22:54
bencohsec: grep -i gnutls config.h ?22:54
secconfig.h from?22:55
bencohweechat source/build tree22:55
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bencoh(what else ? :p)22:55
secSec22:55
secbencoh: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=e1EjaPVr22:57
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bencohthat's gnutls ... and it's not config.h22:57
secNo config.h in source tree22:57
bencohwoot ?22:57
secI did it on the entire tree22:57
bencohnext to config.log22:57
bencohdid you build in-tree or in a separate build/ ?22:58
secseparate22:58
bencohoh, then please check in build/ :)22:58
secAh, it's there xD22:58
sectopkek22:59
secN900:build/ > grep -i gnutls config.h22:59
secN900:build/ >22:59
seclel22:59
bencohahem, okay22:59
bencohI have no idea how this can work22:59
secxD22:59
secMagic22:59
bencohyeah, definitely22:59
bencohseriously now, wtf23:00
bencohit doesnt use libgsoup23:00
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bencohor some other network wrapper23:00
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bencohsec: do you have anything in config.log ?23:01
bencohhmm, and ... ldd weechat23:02
stryngsOh say can you see... By the dawns early light............23:04
secconfig.log is empty23:05
secbencoh: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fiQCFjYR23:05
bencoh        libgnutls.so.26 => /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.26 (0x400c0000)23:05
bencohhmm23:05
secI swear.. idk how this happened23:05
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stryngssec: try this: echo hello | nc termbin.com 999923:07
stryngs=)23:07
stryngspastebin sucks23:07
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bencoh:)23:08
seczsh: command not found: nc23:08
secOh god23:08
bencohhaha23:08
* sec facepalms23:08
secAt this rate I might just install debian23:08
bencohthere is nc extras23:09
bencohor maybe it's just busybox, not sure23:09
stryngsnetcat_1.10-32osso2_armel.deb23:09
secnvm, I have ncat from nmap :P23:09
secI confuse myself sometimes23:09
stryngszsh?23:10
stryngswhoa23:10
stryngsI think you've been infected23:10
secLol23:10
stryngsshould say bash: command not found: nc23:10
secI am just used to zsh on all my systems23:11
stryngsinteresting, i've only used sh and bash =)23:11
stryngsproud to have the most recent version of bash on my n900 too =)  full ypatched!23:11
seczsh has cool autocompletion out of the box23:11
stryngsii  bash                                                4.3-patch-30                     The GNU Bourne Again SHell branch 4.x, tuned for maemo23:12
sec:P23:12
stryngsirssi still building,23:13
stryngsfaster slave!23:13
* stryngs cracks the whip23:13
secxD23:13
secIt takes some time23:13
secSurprisingly weechat was faste23:13
stryngs1150mHz!23:18
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stryngshmm, shared or static perl library for irssi23:21
stryngsthoghts?23:21
secstatic should be fine23:21
stryngsitll make a bigger binary though23:22
stryngswell, since i rolled with static, ill make that first, then compare against shared =)23:23
stryngswhy not23:23
bencohif you want to package it, dynamic23:23
stryngsso u would go with shared then bencoh?23:23
bencohyup23:23
bencohespecially considering that we dont have much memory23:24
bencohyou dont want to load perl lib twice if two programs use it23:24
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stryngsmakes sense23:25
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stryngshmm:23:28
stryngsBuilding with Perl support ....... : static (in irssi binary)23:28
stryngsPerl library directory ........... : /usr/lib/perl/5.8 - NOTE: This was automatically set to the same directory you gave with --prefix. If you want the perl libraries to install to their 'correct'23:28
stryngs  path, you'll need to give --with-perl-lib=site option to configure.23:28
stryngs  Anyway, installing perl to this directory should work just as well.23:28
stryngs--enable-shared=perl?23:28
stryngssame response23:29
stryngsi wonder how to tell it to build with perl support of shared23:29
sechttps://github.com/irssi/irssi/blob/master/INSTALL23:31
sec--with-perl=[yes|no|module]23:31
stryngs#define HAVE_STATIC_PERL 123:31
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stryngshow do u make it shared perl sec?23:32
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