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| Vajb | www.google.com "how to launch nokia n900 camera from terminal | 00:15 |
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| ecc3g | wrong window. | 00:24 |
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| federico3 | broken usb connector on my n900 for the second time. | 01:47 |
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| gerkin75 | hi | 03:05 |
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| gerkin75 | i see new version built in http://maemo.org/packages/ but when i upgrade from app manager doesn't show the upgrades | 03:07 |
| gerkin75 | for example qml-browser | 03:08 |
| Oksana | Which repository? Devel or testing? | 03:12 |
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| gerkin75 | devel | 03:23 |
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| Oksana | Do you have Devel repository enabled in App manager? | 03:29 |
| gerkin75 | yes. but no update show | 03:30 |
| gerkin75 | with apt-get some update but qml-browser no still | 03:30 |
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| Oksana | aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; aptitude install qml-browser ? | 03:34 |
| bencoh | apt-cache policy qml-browser | 03:39 |
| gerkin75 | i was using aptitude for ovi store...now removed...will try to use again | 03:39 |
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| Oksana | Is Clarivue screen protector good on N900? | 07:05 |
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| Vajb | no idea, but i guess any screen protector is better than none | 08:48 |
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| Vajb | useretail: it won't start or how it doesn't help? | 08:49 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | gerkin75: updates will not show immediately they can take upto 24 hours. | 10:04 |
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| Vajb | is it possible to get some sound or vibration from irssi when someone mentions my nick? | 10:38 |
| Humpelstilzchen | Vajb: you could write a perl plugin | 10:38 |
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| Vajb | yes? I found some libnotify script for irssi. It uses dbus | 10:44 |
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| Humpelstilzchen | Vajb: I have a basic perl script which catches a highlight and can run a command... | 10:48 |
| Vajb | i c. Sadly my skills on scripting r below zero | 10:53 |
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| Vajb | and just to make sure. We are speaking about n900 irssi? | 10:55 |
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| bencoh | Vajb: is irssi running on your phone or ssh ? | 11:03 |
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| Vajb | on phone | 11:07 |
| zGrr | moin :) | 11:08 |
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| Vajb | hi zGrr | 11:09 |
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| bencoh | I think we have no perl support in irssi in maemo | 11:18 |
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| Humpelstilzchen | thats would be bad | 11:31 |
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| Vajb | bencoh: we have now. It's announced on maemo.org, but i'm not sure if it's on repo's. | 11:42 |
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| bencoh | doesnt seem to be there | 11:43 |
| bencoh | well, according to deps | 11:43 |
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| Vajb | well u can install it via link on maemo.org just search for irssi 0.8.17 | 12:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | hey fellas | 15:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | Can someone tell me how the jolla compares to the N900 (apart from lack of keyboard etc.)? My N900 feels dated. I'm wondering if the Jolla is a viable successor... | 15:14 |
| bencoh | well, it's a qualcomm with on-SoC modem | 15:16 |
| bencoh | s/SoC/chip/ | 15:16 |
| infobot | bencoh meant: well, it's a qualcomm with on-chip modem | 15:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | bencoh: well I'm not too concerned about the modem. I mean more in terms of how it handles and feels to someone who likes to customize stuff to the max. E.g. desktop command execution widget | 15:19 |
| Shapeshifter | Is the keyboard okay for ssh/term stuff (i.e. ctrl/alt/esc, braces etc.)? | 15:19 |
| bencoh | oh, you'd need to talk to sailfish users then | 15:19 |
| Shapeshifter | well I was looking basically for an opinion of former N900 users ;) | 15:19 |
| bencoh | :) | 15:19 |
| bencoh | some people are building a hwkbd for it | 15:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | yeah I saw it. looks pretty shitty compared to the n900 kb... | 15:20 |
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| ShadowJK | Basically, if you use the hwkeyboard on N900, you'll be infuriated by Jolla (and any other device without keyboard) :P | 15:27 |
| ShadowJK | .. which is why I'm typing this on N900, but surfing web on Jolla | 15:28 |
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| bencoh | haha | 15:30 |
| ShadowJK | The whole UI kinda gets to you though. After using Jolla, when faced with an android you'll be swiping and thinking the touchscreen broke before "Oh right, I have to press buttons. How old fashioned" | 15:32 |
| jon_y | phones with wooden dials and knobs :) | 15:34 |
| bencoh | I use wayv on the n900 for a few things (launcher, tasknav, go to home, lock, toggle fullscreen) | 15:34 |
| bencoh | (global gestures, kindof) | 15:34 |
| jon_y | what gestures? | 15:35 |
| ShadowJK | I don't have the gesture problem on N900, ctrl-backspace sits in musclememory | 15:35 |
| jon_y | draw something on a screen for something to pop up? | 15:35 |
| * jon_y draws an elder sign | 15:35 | |
| bencoh | jon_y: yup something like that | 15:37 |
| bencoh | (starting from the bottom - in portrait, right side in landscape) | 15:38 |
| jon_y | way to make my phone inaccessible to strangers :) | 15:38 |
| bencoh | ? | 15:38 |
| jon_y | well, if somebody picks up your phone without knowing gestures | 15:38 |
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| jon_y | and the UI is locked to using gestures... | 15:39 |
| jon_y | yeah, fun project | 15:39 |
| bencoh | I didnt nuke hildon-desktop/matchbox :) | 15:39 |
| bencoh | you still can use it the old way | 15:39 |
| bencoh | (I still do in some cases ... like ctrl-bksp in landscape) | 15:39 |
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| jon_y | I wonder if it is possible to send a vocoded signal over GSM | 15:41 |
| jon_y | prescramble the captured voice bands before it leaves the phone | 15:42 |
| jon_y | the other side would need to use a decoder as well | 15:42 |
| bencoh | doable in PA I guess | 15:43 |
| jon_y | the initial call setup would probably include a pubkey exchange | 15:43 |
| bencoh | not sure you want to play with that though | 15:43 |
| bencoh | especially after going through -voice | 15:43 |
| jon_y | modem sounding stuff after starting :) | 15:43 |
| jon_y | well yes, everything needs to fit in the voice band | 15:44 |
| jon_y | which is why vocoder is important | 15:44 |
| bencoh | it's trickier than just voice band | 15:44 |
| jon_y | to slice out stuff | 15:44 |
| jon_y | to reserve bandwidth for other stuff | 15:44 |
| jon_y | quality would sound terrible but if you are paranoid, you don't need it :) | 15:45 |
| jon_y | 3 band is probably hard to listen to | 15:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: does the jolla "feel slow" in any way? | 16:11 |
| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: also, I'm not sure about the hw keyboard anymore. I tried out dad's iphone a couple of times and the keyboard seems fine (unless doing terminal stuff, hence the question) | 16:12 |
| Shapeshifter | but I dunno. I'm just kinda bored with the N900. Maybe I just need to wipe it and start over | 16:12 |
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| zGrr | I am bored with n900 too. Problem is that there is nothing capapble of replacing it. | 16:16 |
| zGrr | Besides, it has too little RAM. | 16:16 |
| bencoh | neo900 maybe :) | 16:17 |
| stryngs | build bash for it zGrr =) | 16:17 |
| stryngs | Wanna see scary =)? | 16:17 |
| stryngs | Nokia-N900:~/sources/bash# gpg --verify bash43-002.sig | 16:17 |
| stryngs | gpg: Signature made Tue Mar 25 2014 09:47:41 PM EDT using DSA key ID 64EA74AB | 16:17 |
| stryngs | gpg: Good signature from "Chet Ramey <chet@cwru.edu>" | 16:17 |
| stryngs | gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! | 16:17 |
| stryngs | gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. | 16:17 |
| stryngs | Primary key fingerprint: 7C01 35FB 088A AF6C 66C6 50B9 BB58 69F0 64EA 74AB | 16:18 |
| stryngs | That's scary | 16:18 |
| zGrr | I don't care. Tcsh is good enought anyway. | 16:18 |
| jon_y | tcsh? | 16:19 |
| jon_y | TCSH is terrible, like CSH | 16:19 |
| jon_y | all the quirks | 16:19 |
| zGrr | Maybe. | 16:20 |
| zGrr | I just got used to it. | 16:20 |
| jon_y | I hate all the TCSH scripts I have to maintain | 16:20 |
| jon_y | I purge them and replace them with shitty perl equivalents | 16:21 |
| zGrr | I am working on too many systems without bash. | 16:21 |
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| jon_y | just use perl, being write-only is infinitely better than quirky inconsistent syntax | 16:21 |
| zGrr | i prefer awk to be honest. | 16:22 |
| jon_y | awk cannot communicate via memory maps :| | 16:22 |
| jon_y | well, I'm trying to learn python but never get the chance | 16:22 |
| jon_y | really though, my preferred language is plain C | 16:23 |
| zGrr | ... and some awk implementations do not have same awk extensions. | 16:23 |
| zGrr | well. | 16:23 |
| jon_y | and then Java for anything more complicated | 16:23 |
| zGrr | You wouldn't believe how weird some systems can be. | 16:23 |
| jon_y | C++ feels like the unwanted middle child | 16:23 |
| jon_y | zGrr: yeah, I did baremetal embedded some time ago | 16:24 |
| jon_y | some DSPs are bullshit to use | 16:24 |
| bencoh | plain C <3 | 16:24 |
| zGrr | The system i mostly work on doesn't even use ascii and porting even simple programs can bi a nightmare. | 16:24 |
| jon_y | zGrr: how about cross compiling? | 16:25 |
| jon_y | or making the compiler emit EBDIC | 16:25 |
| jon_y | welp, look at the time | 16:25 |
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| zGrr | It's not EBCDIC that is a problem, but dependencies. | 16:31 |
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| * stryngs wonders why there is no patched bash for maemo yet | 17:08 | |
| teotwaki | really | 17:09 |
| stryngs | ? | 17:09 |
| Veggen | uhm. there's probably not that many N900s with remote acess around :) | 17:10 |
| teotwaki | you're really wondering why an OS that has been left to die for the better part of the past 5 years is not seeing security hotfixes? | 17:10 |
| stryngs | It saddens the shit out of me teotwaki | 17:11 |
| Veggen | (if you're thinking shellshock) | 17:11 |
| stryngs | What's the point of cssu if ya'll dont update stuff | 17:11 |
| bencoh | we do get updates for a few things | 17:13 |
| bencoh | bash sec issues arent a real issue for maemo, that's all | 17:13 |
| stryngs | not that u see, they could be =) | 17:13 |
| bencoh | it's not default shell | 17:13 |
| stryngs | Still, it's an issue and should be addressed | 17:13 |
| bencoh | and I hope you're not running a bashscript CGI server on your phone | 17:13 |
| stryngs | It's bad thought process not to address such underlying things | 17:13 |
| bencoh | and ... it takes time :) | 17:13 |
| bencoh | sure | 17:13 |
| stryngs | compiling the patched version right now to see if i have all dependencies in place =) | 17:14 |
| stryngs | i've been waiting, hoping someone would release, but they havent, so today i decided to move forward =) | 17:14 |
| stryngs | plus it will be nice to move from GNU bash, version 3.2.33(2)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnu) | 17:15 |
| stryngs | Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc. | 17:15 |
| stryngs | to 4.3 =) | 17:15 |
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| bencoh | dont we have bash4 somewhere in repo ? | 17:20 |
| bencoh | oh and btw ... bash isnt in cssu afaik | 17:20 |
| bencoh | it's in extras | 17:20 |
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| stryngs | faster bash! compiled quicker damn u! | 17:25 |
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| stryngs | =) | 21:45 |
| stryngs | dpkg -i bash_4.3-patch-30_armel.deb | 21:45 |
| stryngs | (Reading database ... 57278 files and directories currently installed.) | 21:45 |
| stryngs | Preparing to replace bash 4.3-patch-30 (using bash_4.3-patch-30_armel.deb) ... | 21:45 |
| stryngs | Unpacking replacement bash ... | 21:45 |
| stryngs | Setting up bash (4.3-patch-30) ... | 21:45 |
| stryngs | =) | 21:45 |
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| stryngs | Nokia-N900:~# bash | 21:58 |
| stryngs | Nokia-N900:~# env X='() { :; }; echo "CVE-2014-6271 vulnerable"' bash -c id | 21:58 |
| stryngs | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),20(dialout),29(audio),44(video),670(pulse-access) | 21:58 |
| stryngs | =) | 21:58 |
| stryngs | I am hax0r proof | 21:58 |
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| ecc3g | # bash | 22:04 |
| ecc3g | bash: Command not found. | 22:04 |
| ecc3g | I am hax0r proof. | 22:04 |
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| stryngs | heh | 22:09 |
| ecc3g | :) | 22:10 |
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| stryngs | It's still nice being patched ecc3g | 22:11 |
| ecc3g | if you're using it, sure... | 22:11 |
| stryngs | which dhcp client does maemo use by default..? | 22:12 |
| sec | udhcpc | 22:14 |
| sec | A very very very very old one | 22:14 |
| sec | 0.9.8cvs20050303-2osso7 | 22:14 |
| stryngs | hmm | 22:15 |
| ecc3g | I do find it somewhat funny. I get tons of updates for pierogi... | 22:16 |
| sec | Yeah the guy who made it is pretty active on tmo too | 22:17 |
| ecc3g | ... but no updates for bash... heh | 22:18 |
| ecc3g | need more devs i guess. | 22:18 |
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| sec | Does anyone have a link to that image with scratchbox loaded and configured? | 22:19 |
| sec | I am assuming that's what I need for compiling packages? | 22:20 |
| ecc3g | ~maemosdk | 22:21 |
| infobot | it has been said that maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 22:21 |
| ecc3g | hmm was worth a shot. | 22:21 |
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| ecc3g | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ ? | 22:22 |
| ecc3g | need to put this on a torrent somewhere... | 22:23 |
| * stryngs builds natievly =) | 22:23 | |
| stryngs | natively rather | 22:23 |
| ecc3g | yeah that would make it easier to build packages... though I'd rather be compiling with my i7 :\ | 22:24 |
| stryngs | true, but scratchbox seems like a pain | 22:25 |
| stryngs | hence i build natively =) | 22:25 |
| ecc3g | so far I only got splitvt built ... it indeed is a pain... | 22:25 |
| stryngs | Depends: aria2 (= 1.18.8), bash (= 4.3-patch-30), bind9 (= 9.8.8b2), bison (= 3.0.2), cmake (= 2.8.4), crunch (= 3.6), curl (= 7.37.1), ettercap (= 0.8.1), evilap (= 1.0), exiftool (= 9.72), exploitdb (= 1.0), ferret (= 1.2.0), flex (= 2.5.39), grimwepa (= 1.0), gzip-n900 (= 1.6), hydra (= 7.4.2), hydrafy (= 2.4), ip-fwd-gui (= 1.0), isc-dhcp-server (= 4.3.0), jhead (= 2.97), libdnet (= 1.11), libnl1 (= 1.1.4), lorcon (= 2.0), ngrep (= 1.45), nikto (= | 22:26 |
| stryngs | All my custom packages =) | 22:26 |
| ecc3g | was trying to build pidgin with a small patch to save a little power, but never got it to build correctly... grr. | 22:27 |
| stryngs | yeah, i have issues native building too | 22:28 |
| stryngs | its why u see some of the progs listed above | 22:28 |
| stryngs | the apt-get ones suck | 22:28 |
| ecc3g | it's the library dependencies that I would hope exist on the phone too... | 22:29 |
| stryngs | Yep, that is a pain in my left cheek | 22:29 |
| ecc3g | having it exist in scratchbox is one thing, then need it on the phone too. ideally the one on the phone matches the one in scratchbox. | 22:30 |
| stryngs | Nope, i wish i did though | 22:30 |
| stryngs | its why i hack up debs | 22:30 |
| stryngs | grab source; cd source; ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && make install DESTDIR=~/deb; cd deb && mkdir DEBIAN && cd DEBIAN && touch control (make control file); cd ~; dpkg-deb -b deb . | 22:31 |
| stryngs | boom, deb built natively =) | 22:31 |
| sec | I'd build natively, but I am assuming dependencies will be a pain | 22:33 |
| stryngs | depends on what yer building sec | 22:34 |
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| ecc3g | probably native build is easier on dependencies than cross building, because you'll know right away when they're not met... | 22:34 |
| stryngs | ^^^ | 22:35 |
| stryngs | thats also another reason i dont like the scratchbox idea | 22:35 |
| stryngs | i wish the fricking build tools existed natively | 22:35 |
| ecc3g | well... almost right away... if it crashes 10 hours down the road... | 22:35 |
| stryngs | its why i have to chop my debs up | 22:35 |
| stryngs | id prefer to build a .deb the debian way | 22:35 |
| stryngs | but alas, impossible on n900 natively | 22:35 |
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| ecc3g | I remember the time I tried to build centericq (centerim) natively on my DECstation 3100 | 22:36 |
| sec | Why's that stryngs | 22:36 |
| stryngs | 15:34 < ecc3g> probably native build is easier on dependencies than cross building, because you'll know right away when they're not met... | 22:36 |
| stryngs | thats why sec | 22:36 |
| ecc3g | takes THREE DAYS to complete, and several times it bombed and had to restart | 22:36 |
| ecc3g | only takes 10 mins to x-compile | 22:36 |
| sec | No I mean stryngs > but alas, impossible on n900 natively | 22:37 |
| stryngs | oh | 22:37 |
| stryngs | the .debs are scratchbox only | 22:37 |
| stryngs | as in they look for files under /scratchbox | 22:37 |
| sec | Eh ok | 22:37 |
| stryngs | u can grab them, and dpkg -i them | 22:37 |
| stryngs | but....... | 22:37 |
| stryngs | they fail =./ | 22:37 |
| ecc3g | Venture a guess why it takes 3 days to build centericq on the DECstation 3100... | 22:37 |
| ecc3g | It's a mipsel box (netbsd)... | 22:38 |
| stryngs | The little gerbil inside is probably elderly | 22:38 |
| ecc3g | R2000 ... | 22:38 |
| ecc3g | 16MHz... | 22:38 |
| sec | lol | 22:38 |
| stryngs | 3100 "PMAX" R2000, R2010, R2020 chipset[5] 16.67 MHz (60 ns)[5] 11 January 1989[6] ? | 22:38 |
| stryngs | 2100 "PMIN" R2000, R2010, R2020 chipset[5] 12.50 MHz (80 ns)[7] 11 July 1989 | 22:38 |
| stryngs | 16.67 damn u! | 22:39 |
| ecc3g | 16MHz isn't actually the problem | 22:39 |
| ecc3g | 24MB is the real problem | 22:39 |
| ecc3g | centericq uses g++ and the poor machine was 30MB into swap to build | 22:40 |
| ecc3g | You know, same problem trying to build firefox for a 384MB x86 PC... it will run it just fine, but building it, you really want that i7 with 4GB RAM... | 22:41 |
| ecc3g | actually centericq was more like 90MB into swap... been a while. | 22:43 |
| ecc3g | Not worth it :D | 22:43 |
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| Vajb | is it just me or are the repo's down? | 23:03 |
| stryngs | they were up earlier, which repo | 23:03 |
| sec | Up for me Vajb | 23:04 |
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| bencoh | ecc3g: what kind of patch (pidgin/power) ? | 23:08 |
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| Vajb | all maemo repos... | 23:15 |
| bencoh | doesnt look down to me | 23:17 |
| Vajb | hmm lemme try from wlan... | 23:18 |
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| Vajb_ | ok solved | 23:23 |
| Vajb_ | for some reason i had mms connection hanging | 23:23 |
| Vajb_ | it's been two days since i received mms. guess it's been hanging behind since that | 23:24 |
| Vajb_ | coz yesterday opera couldn't make connection, but i didn't bother to check it coz fennec was working | 23:24 |
| Vajb_ | but makes me wonder how come it screws up some programs but others just keep on working | 23:25 |
| Vajb_ | like yappari,irssi and facebookchat | 23:25 |
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| Sicelo | Vajb_: seems other programs look at a lower level than others. others rely more on what is specified in UI, but others just look at default route or some such | 23:29 |
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| Vajb_ | i c | 23:32 |
| Vajb_ | that extra connection wasn't visible to me unless clicking connections button | 23:32 |
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