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| freemangordon | M4rtinK: any idea how to calculate edges long/lat of the resulting static map (or whatever you called it)? | 01:33 |
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| M4rtinK | freemangordon: should be doable :) | 01:46 |
| M4rtinK | freemangordon: this: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/blob/master/modules/mod_projection.py#L206 | 01:48 |
| M4rtinK | freemangordon: or this: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/blob/master/modules/mod_projection.py#L314 | 01:49 |
| freemangordon | thanks, will try it | 01:49 |
| M4rtinK | you're welcome :) | 01:52 |
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| jonwil | damn, I wish I had a N900 dev setup right now but I dont :( | 07:59 |
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| drathir | little paradox - with broken screen vnc not working at n900 ;/ | 12:12 |
| drathir | mornin... | 12:14 |
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| drathir | mean program works but no output... | 12:17 |
| drathir | the same behaviour at tv-out... | 12:17 |
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| freemangordon_ | drathir: screen locked? | 12:23 |
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| jonwil | I cant believe how easy it is to figure out what location-proxy is doing... | 12:42 |
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| drathir | freemangordon_: no autolock enabled, more possible no reaction to open the slider, but also not sure that because on open the kb flashing loks like positive detecting... | 13:24 |
| drathir | looks* | 13:25 |
| drathir | freemangordon_: in my feelings looks like w/o display the x session not properly auto konfigured... | 13:26 |
| drathir | configured* | 13:26 |
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| Freemantle | Hi guys | 17:45 |
| Sicelo | hi | 17:50 |
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| Freemantle | :O | 17:50 |
| Freemantle | somebody still alive in the maemo community? | 17:50 |
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| drathir | hi... | 17:52 |
| Freemantle | i will buy a new phone, and i'm here cause i was interested in maemo/meego environment | 17:52 |
| Freemantle | but i don't know probably a thing about.. | 17:53 |
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| Freemantle | so can you help me?:) | 17:53 |
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| drathir | ! flasher | 17:53 |
| drathir | !flasher | 17:53 |
| drathir | ~flasher | 17:53 |
| infobot | methinks flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 17:53 |
| Freemantle | can someone help me? | 17:54 |
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| drathir | ~flashing | 17:55 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:55 |
| drathir | for start too make sure device is clean... | 17:55 |
| drathir | ~firmware | 17:55 |
| infobot | it has been said that firmware is please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher | 17:55 |
| drathir | ~combined | 17:55 |
| infobot | combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 17:55 |
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| drathir | ~emmc | 17:55 |
| infobot | emmc is, like, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:56 |
| drathir | Freemantle: ^^ | 17:56 |
| drathir | Freemantle: if any specific questions feel free to ask here... | 17:57 |
| Freemantle | specific yes: | 17:57 |
| Freemantle | meego is RPm based right? | 17:57 |
| Freemantle | RPM* | 17:57 |
| drathir | Freemantle: what i know its not using deb ones, but not sure... | 17:58 |
| Freemantle | as i thought | 17:58 |
| Freemantle | so hy i read around | 17:58 |
| Freemantle | things like: | 17:58 |
| Freemantle | "..app for meego" and there is a .db files? | 17:58 |
| Freemantle | no-sense | 17:58 |
| drathir | n900 deb based is... | 17:58 |
| Freemantle | deb* | 17:58 |
| Freemantle | look here | 17:59 |
| Freemantle | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87428 | 17:59 |
| Freemantle | it's written " meego app" | 17:59 |
| Freemantle | but it's a .deb file!(for maemo) | 17:59 |
| Freemantle | i don't understand.. | 17:59 |
| zGrr | harmattan was branded as meego to show the public that meego was alive, but it wasn't reall a meego system, was it? | 18:00 |
| zGrr | mere styling. | 18:00 |
| drathir | Freemantle: need to wait for experts maybe package manager there is able to using deb ones too, not sure of that... | 18:00 |
| Freemantle | @zGrr i read about the fake Maemo6,but still i read around about RPM manager in the OS | 18:01 |
| drathir | if good remember is big difference between maemo and meego... | 18:02 |
| Freemantle | drathir, as i know too | 18:02 |
| Freemantle | that's why i don't understand how all the meego users get working .deb files | 18:02 |
| zGrr | RPM? In harmattan? maybe in some planned systtem that was supposed to replace it. | 18:03 |
| Freemantle | it was supposed to be .rpm ones | 18:03 |
| Freemantle | :O | 18:03 |
| Sicelo | Harmattan uses debs | 18:03 |
| Freemantle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo | 18:03 |
| Freemantle | read by yourself | 18:03 |
| drathir | maybe alien using ? no idea... | 18:03 |
| Freemantle | Package manager RPM Package Manager | 18:03 |
| zGrr | yeah, yeah | 18:04 |
| Sicelo | read what *we* tell you :) | 18:04 |
| zGrr | Meego was a mess. And probably still is. | 18:04 |
| Freemantle | yea so the fake mameo6 is real.. | 18:04 |
| Sicelo | Freemantle: maybe erase in your mind Meego... and replace it with Harmattan | 18:04 |
| Freemantle | so the actually meego pr.13 accept deb and have apt-get as package manager? | 18:05 |
| zGrr | Freemantle: correct | 18:05 |
| Freemantle | LOL dat wikipedia lier xD | 18:05 |
| Freemantle | ok guys thanks | 18:05 |
| Freemantle | can you helpè me | 18:05 |
| Freemantle | decide about choosing the phone' | 18:06 |
| Freemantle | ?* | 18:06 |
| zGrr | Freemantle: wikipedia did not lie. Nokia did. | 18:06 |
| drathir | lol | 18:06 |
| Freemantle | LOL zGrr | 18:06 |
| Freemantle | i will buy a new phone | 18:06 |
| zGrr | allofthem are crap | 18:06 |
| Freemantle | but i really enjoy te maemo community environment | 18:06 |
| Freemantle | the* | 18:07 |
| Freemantle | if i choose maemo as OS i will take the N9 | 18:07 |
| Freemantle | but still i'm afraid about the apps | 18:07 |
| zGrr | I have both N9 and N900. I still use N900 as my primary phone. | 18:07 |
| Freemantle | officially it's a dead environment,isn't it? | 18:07 |
| zGrr | Dead as a dodo | 18:08 |
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| Freemantle | as a dodo=? | 18:08 |
| Freemantle | ahh | 18:08 |
| Freemantle | the animal | 18:08 |
| Freemantle | LOL | 18:08 |
| drathir | n900 exclude years still rocks... no alternatives... | 18:08 |
| Freemantle | you are a little hidden community to my eyes why n900 rocks? | 18:09 |
| Freemantle | i'm pretty curious | 18:09 |
| drathir | almost clean debian powered... | 18:09 |
| Freemantle | compare a nexus5 ith a n90,what stop you from buying a N5? | 18:09 |
| drathir | in my opinion... | 18:09 |
| Freemantle | with* | 18:09 |
| zGrr | You cannot compare it. | 18:10 |
| Freemantle | it's a matter of pgones or OS? | 18:10 |
| Freemantle | you prbably right | 18:10 |
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| Freemantle | so what is the matter? | 18:10 |
| * drathir dont like spying android ;/ and want to have full access to radio... | 18:10 | |
| zGrr | I don't know. I wouldn't touch an android even with my leg. | 18:10 |
| Freemantle | LOL i think the NSA don't even have any exploit or backdoor acces for such dead OS | 18:11 |
| drathir | put android traffic by squid You run with scream ;p | 18:11 |
| zGrr | It is not dead. | 18:12 |
| Freemantle | officially it is | 18:12 |
| Sicelo | Freemantle: why are *you* interested in Maemo/MeeGo? | 18:12 |
| Freemantle | i saw a survived environment still, with the users effort | 18:12 |
| zGrr | It is just that there is no modern hardware to run it on. | 18:12 |
| drathir | no only nokia "free" the support for community only support... | 18:12 |
| zGrr | System is not dead. Nokia is dead. | 18:13 |
| Freemantle | me? i hate to be mainstream,want to have a MiniPC with phone calls,and do pentesting on the way | 18:13 |
| Freemantle | and of course more battery life as possible | 18:14 |
| Sicelo | and why you choose an old device/OS for that? | 18:14 |
| drathir | but with that "old" hw on board not look tragic one like... android have problems at 4 cores ;p | 18:14 |
| Freemantle | i didn't cose anything,that's why i'm herei need to know how it is and if it can suit my needs | 18:14 |
| drathir | Freemantle: battery life sadly weak point... in my opinion... | 18:14 |
| Freemantle | either on n9? | 18:15 |
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| drathir | no n9 info sadly... | 18:15 |
| Freemantle | there is no differences between Nemo mobile and Meego? | 18:15 |
| * drathir only prefer hw kb ones phones... | 18:15 | |
| zGrr | I never really liked N9. | 18:16 |
| Freemantle | so why not the n950? | 18:16 |
| zGrr | N950? Rare species | 18:16 |
| Sicelo | or N5 ;) | 18:16 |
| * drathir neo900 waitin ;p | 18:16 | |
| Freemantle | N5 doesn't have hw kb | 18:16 |
| Sicelo | i meant.. can't you try it for pentesting use? | 18:17 |
| Freemantle | nee90 still unaccesible.. | 18:17 |
| Freemantle | Sicelo,just for srrating Aircrack is available only for 3 device AFIK | 18:17 |
| Freemantle | AFAIK | 18:17 |
| Freemantle | one is the N9/900 | 18:17 |
| drathir | but in my opinion only that one is next gen n900 rest not similar to n900 ;/ | 18:18 |
| Sicelo | i know :D | 18:18 |
| Freemantle | the second is the Sgalaxy S2 | 18:18 |
| Freemantle | and the third im not sure exists | 18:18 |
| Freemantle | so just to snif and other things, i can't | 18:18 |
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| Sicelo | the point i'm drving at then, Freemantle, is that .. you probably shouldn't wonder why we're all interested in N900, as old as it may be | 18:18 |
| Sicelo | :D | 18:18 |
| Freemantle | i'm discovering my inner love woith your help xD | 18:19 |
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| Freemantle | BUT | 18:19 |
| drathir | for me no alternative to n900 until neo900 "spawn"... | 18:19 |
| Freemantle | still with apps you can anyway sniff and strip with apps on android | 18:19 |
| Freemantle | like dsploit | 18:19 |
| drathir | android is powerless... ;p | 18:20 |
| Freemantle | you don't have to get root to use it | 18:20 |
| Freemantle | and you can get a perfect automated tool | 18:20 |
| Freemantle | that meego lacks | 18:20 |
| drathir | they finally discovered way to get into monitor mode at android?? | 18:21 |
| zGrr | Meego? What Meego? | 18:21 |
| Freemantle | Meego lacks from a suit like dSploit | 18:21 |
| zGrr | I don't know. I'm not into security auditing business. | 18:22 |
| Freemantle | actually you guys are you mounting maemo5 or meego? | 18:22 |
| Freemantle | or nemo? | 18:22 |
| Sicelo | ? | 18:23 |
| Sicelo | mounting? | 18:23 |
| Freemantle | running* | 18:23 |
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| drathir | lol if needed even possible run arch at n900 ;p | 18:23 |
| Freemantle | drathir you got the point!!! | 18:23 |
| drathir | i guess archassault also no problem... | 18:23 |
| Freemantle | my dream is to have a distro in a phone | 18:24 |
| zGrr | What are you talking about? | 18:24 |
| drathir | Freemantle: no mounting ;p native running ^^ | 18:24 |
| Freemantle | anyway actually what OS are you running now on your devices? | 18:24 |
| * drathir dual maemo/arch | 18:24 | |
| drathir | both ofc native not chroot ;p | 18:25 |
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| Freemantle | arch??? | 18:25 |
| Freemantle | wtf?:O | 18:25 |
| Sicelo | now what? | 18:26 |
| drathir | ofc when needed arch at chroot in maemo also no problem ;p | 18:26 |
| Freemantle | arch with phone support? | 18:26 |
| Freemantle | i mean calls and sms? | 18:27 |
| Freemantle | and 3g data? | 18:27 |
| drathir | You got maemo+arch app available at one time... | 18:27 |
| Freemantle | :O? | 18:27 |
| drathir | Freemantle: weak support for modem atm, but who know with time... | 18:27 |
| Freemantle | nether simple calls and sms? | 18:28 |
| Sicelo | 3G data worked on both arch & debian when i used them .. so did sms | 18:28 |
| drathir | Freemantle: dont wish a miracled doing something from nothing... gretings for all developer and hard work to make that possible... | 18:28 |
| Freemantle | holy words drathir | 18:28 |
| Sicelo | gsm voice is actively being worked on .. important bits are already in mainstream kernel | 18:29 |
| Wizzup | are there any guides on this? | 18:29 |
| Freemantle | but is the n900 laggy compared to the n9 &N950? | 18:29 |
| Freemantle | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81892 | 18:29 |
| Freemantle | arch ^ | 18:29 |
| * drathir wonder who say that maemo or n900 is dead ? ^^ | 18:29 | |
| drathir | Freemantle: arch with n900+xfce4 is smoothly ;p | 18:30 |
| zGrr | N9 feels crappy compared to N900. | 18:31 |
| zGrr | Half baked product. | 18:31 |
| drathir | zGrr: ++ | 18:31 |
| Freemantle | drathir AFA you know, all these things running on n900 are working on N9/N950 either? | 18:31 |
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| zGrr | I almost bought Jolla recently. | 18:32 |
| zGrr | Gave up after discovering that they don't have SIP support working. | 18:33 |
| drathir | Freemantle: like i say hw kb for me is prior and dont like the way how work meego a little what i remember, more like maemo... | 18:33 |
| Freemantle | zGrr depends on the end-user, if it needed.. | 18:33 |
| Terminator | I am back! | 18:34 |
| Freemantle | @drathir so you actually are runnign maemo5? | 18:34 |
| drathir | zGrr: jolla for me is strange thing, trying to make better something what was really good and became like always ;/ | 18:34 |
| drathir | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux | 18:35 |
| * Sicelo is on M5 (daily device.. only device actually) | 18:35 | |
| * drathir 2devices atm... | 18:36 | |
| Freemantle | but if all apps working on meeo either why you still on old maemo? | 18:36 |
| Freemantle | meego* | 18:36 |
| zGrr | drathir: I wish them good luck, but I'm not sure if there's enough hipsters out there to keep the business going. | 18:37 |
| zGrr | It has that hipster-ish appeal, doesn't it? | 18:37 |
| drathir | one fully working exclude broken usb, second is working w/o lcd/ and maybe gsm its for external charger usage... | 18:37 |
| Sicelo | because 'old Maemo' works just fine | 18:37 |
| zGrr | There is no meego. | 18:38 |
| * drathir more like maemo than meego because of strange security policy at megoo packages too.. | 18:38 | |
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| * Terminator thinks android is opensource fork of maemo | 18:39 | |
| Freemantle | what stops you guys from using Meego if they both runningthe same package manager and Meego it's supposed to be better than Maemo? | 18:39 |
| Freemantle | Lol terminator | 18:39 |
| drathir | zGrr: for most "normal" users android with 4 cores is enough for me power of my n900 and almost clean linux is enough... | 18:39 |
| Sicelo | Freemantle: zGrr said there isn't MeeGo | 18:40 |
| drathir | Terminator: there is opens source fork of android if good remember not sure of its name... | 18:41 |
| Freemantle | but you replied to me with "maemo", the official name it's Meego even if "thre isn't any Meego"! | 18:41 |
| Freemantle | drathir,it's AOSP | 18:41 |
| Sicelo | ? | 18:41 |
| zGrr | drathir: my workmate tried it last week on his samsung. He said it is just as bad as Android, if not worse. | 18:42 |
| drathir | zGrr: not have a try with that, even i use how less possible android too, only when really must eg help someone with problems with phone;/ | 18:43 |
| Sicelo | Freemantle: 15:04 < Sicelo> Freemantle: maybe erase in your mind Meego... and replace it with Harmattan | 18:44 |
| elias_a_ | Has someone listening have had hands on Blackphone? | 18:44 |
| drathir | really once i connected android to my network throught squid proxy and its one big mess calls everywhere want ;p | 18:44 |
| Freemantle | Sicelo, sorry | 18:44 |
| elias_a_ | Looks IMHO quite interesting. | 18:44 |
| zGrr | What's a Blackphone? | 18:45 |
| drathir | elias_a_: for me isnt secure because of its based at android anyway ;/ | 18:45 |
| drathir | elias_a_: its some kind of running linux at windows host... | 18:46 |
| Freemantle | agree with drathir | 18:46 |
| drathir | its mad thing ;/ | 18:46 |
| zGrr | https://www.blackphone.ch/ ? | 18:47 |
| drathir | elias_a_: ofc i guess they improve the security but still isnt a secure phone for me... | 18:48 |
| drathir | maybe thats is little insane but /me prefer bb than android... | 18:48 |
| zGrr | It's not insane. | 18:48 |
| zGrr | Q10 is a nice phone. | 18:49 |
| Freemantle | guys where you get apps? still on ovi store? | 18:49 |
| drathir | for me is enough not strange connections throught squid at all... i know that could be leaks by bis/bes at rim servers side, but its still more secure in my opinion... | 18:50 |
| elias_a_ | drathir: Seems to me they have rewritten the kernel. | 18:50 |
| elias_a_ | https://github.com/sgp-blackphone/Blackphone-BP1-Kernel/ | 18:51 |
| drathir | elias_a_: maybe thats is correct, but if true in theory its possible in all android phones for free... | 18:51 |
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| drathir | there more pays i gues for using their infra of servers to make a phone calls... | 18:52 |
| elias_a_ | drathir: I am not sure if I understand you. | 18:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: apps are installed from the application manager via repositories. that is if you are still talking about N900 and Fremantle/Maemo | 18:53 |
| drathir | elias_a_: You have secure comunication at blackphone only in range of their servers... | 18:53 |
| elias_a_ | drathir: Or alternatively with some other provider doing the same tricks, right? | 18:54 |
| Freemantle | sixwheeledbeast: my true question is where you get tha paid apps?(they cost pretty much compared to playstore&appstore prices) | 18:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | N9 and N950 have no future support. N900 and Fremantle is still supported by the community. If you wish for pentesting you are best to choose N900. | 18:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Paid apps, what paid apps? | 18:55 |
| drathir | elias_a_: what hear only in range theirs servers that works, but maybe changed... | 18:56 |
| zGrr | You pay to the authors. Sometimes they ask for it. | 18:56 |
| Freemantle | sixwheeledbeast, services like shaazam,where you get them? | 18:56 |
| zGrr | Shaazam? Never heard of it. | 18:56 |
| elias_a_ | drathir: I do not understand what you are saying. | 18:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: Ovi store died long ago. There are very little propitiatory applications like that, this isn't android ;) | 18:57 |
| Freemantle | shazam* | 18:57 |
| drathir | elias_a_: its country restricted and what i guessing their using own bts network/servers... | 18:57 |
| zGrr | Freemantle: you don't | 18:58 |
| elias_a_ | drathir: Ok. I'll look into it. | 18:58 |
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| Freemantle | so where you actually get the most apps? | 18:59 |
| zGrr | "their servers" == lags - right? | 18:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: Most of the applications are FOSS, companies don't make applications for Maemo (they probably don't know or care we exist) | 18:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | define "most apps" | 19:00 |
| drathir | elias_a_: i read about it when theorehical data publically discovered not much detailed info was available in that time, now maybe little more info about... | 19:00 |
| zGrr | Freemantle: from the endless ecosystem of Debian. | 19:00 |
| drathir | zGrr: shazam is nice thing... | 19:00 |
| Freemantle | sixwheeledbeast, good question,in fact i saw theapps i need already exists.. | 19:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Eyrie is a FOSS replacement for shazam BTW. | 19:01 |
| zGrr | drathir: some music service, right? | 19:01 |
| drathir | zama: eyrie is alternative to shazam what i hear... | 19:01 |
| elias_a_ | drathir: Just to make it easier for me to understand: is your native language polish? | 19:02 |
| drathir | zGrr: that program from sound sample show what music is played... | 19:02 |
| raccoon_ | seems to be some kind of web based audio fingerprinting service | 19:02 |
| raccoon_ | for matching audio against known songs | 19:02 |
| zGrr | drathir: i see. I heard of them. Never tried it. | 19:02 |
| drathir | raccoon_: correct | 19:02 |
| zGrr | I wonder if shazam could recognize someone like for example Sainkho Namtchylak? :) | 19:04 |
| raccoon_ | drathir: "picard" should be installable on maemo although i don't know if it is in the official repos | 19:04 |
| raccoon_ | it is supported on debian and has been for quite a while. sorry if that doesn't answer your question though | 19:04 |
| Freemantle | like openvpn,telegram,whatsapp,pdf reader,office suite,aircrack,mail client,a browser(how firefox works?there are other browsers?) | 19:04 |
| raccoon_ | Freemantle: there is "microb", a mobile mozilla based browser. there is also opera mobile and you can install firefox/iceweasel | 19:04 |
| drathir | zGrr: shazam is really good even with really bad sample... | 19:05 |
| drathir | raccoon_: thanks a lot... | 19:05 |
| zGrr | I have to ask someone with more up to date smartphone to give it a try. | 19:05 |
| drathir | fennec is also available but little high resource usage... | 19:06 |
| drathir | opera is the best one... | 19:06 |
| raccoon_ | drathir: sorry, i meant to say "musicbrainz", not "picard". should be fairly easy to install on maemo | 19:06 |
| drathir | raccoon_: i check too... thanks a lot... | 19:07 |
| Freemantle | guys actually exists some huge repo community driven? | 19:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: IMO to get the most out of Maemo you have to be prepared to work for some things. If that be fixing up a dirty script, porting stuff from debian, helping beta test some application. If that's definitely not your thing and just want every smartphone app to work, OOTB, look somewhere else. | 19:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: Firefox doesn't work but stock browser is fine and gecko based | 19:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: there is fennec but uses so much resource its not worth installing | 19:11 |
| Freemantle | actually it's enough to be sure that all th prev listed apps are working on n9 | 19:11 |
| Ras_Older | The protective screen on my N900 starts to wear off. I was looking for replacement and they had screen or full body layers. I currently had full body layer but it started to wear off from the left side a month to its placement :D | 19:12 |
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| Ras_Older | Has anyone had those only screen layers in use? | 19:12 |
| Freemantle | anyway i'm open to fixing porting & etc.but i can't found any guidline to do that,not even how to compile (for example) nginx or a webserver for the n9 | 19:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | stock mail client and pdf reader are ok, I am still talking N900 here tho. | 19:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am not well up on the flop that was the N9 | 19:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~aegis | 19:14 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 19:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yuk | 19:14 |
| Freemantle | there is some n9 club? to talk with? | 19:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | try #harmattan for N9 related chat, most people here are Maemo users or have both. | 19:15 |
| Freemantle | thanks | 19:16 |
| Freemantle | sixwheeledbeast, how much battery life you have on you n900? | 19:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Thats good all the Harmattan pages have been removed from Nokia | 19:17 |
| Freemantle | D: so where i can get some guide to compile for,or anyway do things by my self? | 19:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: I get a day with fairly heavy usage and set to check for WLAN and e-mail every 10 minutes. | 19:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wiki.maemo.org contains most information about the dev environment | 19:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | also see ~sb | 19:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~sb | 19:19 |
| infobot | i heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 19:19 |
| Freemantle | valid for harmattan either? | 19:19 |
| Freemantle | oh jesus,i don't know a thing about this things xD | 19:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | some Harmattan stuff is on the wiki but a lot of Harmattan kinda died with Nokia | 19:20 |
| Freemantle | no mirrors?could be? | 19:20 |
| Freemantle | D: | 19:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ? maybe ask on Harmattan for N9 stuff. | 19:21 |
| Freemantle | hope to find someone..atm i's like a desert there :( | 19:21 |
| Sicelo | this channel? 0.o | 19:22 |
| Sicelo | i think everyone has been very helpful to you :) | 19:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: that doesn't surprise me, I am surprised anybody wants a N9 | 19:22 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: on #harmattan | 19:22 |
| Sicelo | ah | 19:23 |
| Freemantle | kinda poof performnces the n900 | 19:23 |
| Freemantle | better a n9/n900 i think | 19:24 |
| Freemantle | poor* | 19:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | poor in what way? It's more open and has more community support | 19:24 |
| bencoh | it has less memory | 19:25 |
| Freemantle | less ram | 19:25 |
| Freemantle | less disk less cpu | 19:25 |
| Freemantle | so more latencys | 19:25 |
| Freemantle | that consume more battery | 19:26 |
| * Sicelo wants another N900 | 19:27 | |
| Freemantle | wait a second | 19:27 |
| Freemantle | if i run harmattan on the n9 i have to soemtime compile for harmattan to work | 19:28 |
| Wizzup | 18:25 < Freemantle> so more latencys | 19:28 |
| Wizzup | 18:26 < Freemantle> that consume more battery | 19:28 |
| Wizzup | that makes no sense man | 19:28 |
| Freemantle | but if i install maemo5 on the n9 i can use the n900 aps without any compiling? | 19:28 |
| Sicelo | no | 19:29 |
| Sicelo | you won't install Maemo5 on N9 | 19:29 |
| Freemantle | ?:O | 19:29 |
| Freemantle | less ram it's a pain for me,i f open apps browsers and start metasploit i don't think i will able to do it.. | 19:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: Why is less RAM and CPU an issue? | 19:31 |
| Freemantle | because I using a lot of apps in backgrounds | 19:32 |
| Sicelo | Freemantle: we all do ;) | 19:32 |
| Freemantle | twitter client mail clients,browser,sms and calls,and while they are inbackground i will use some big sopftware like a webserver and metasploit | 19:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You don't need a V8 mustang to go to the shops? It's all about how efficient each application is. | 19:33 |
| Freemantle | some of the apps afaik are simply interpreted not native anyway | 19:34 |
| Sicelo | which ones? | 19:36 |
| Freemantle | metasploit | 19:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have no issues running browser and 2 other applications while on the phone and have daemons for stock mail etc running | 19:36 |
| Freemantle | a web server could be lighttpd or python simplehttperver | 19:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am not even on Thumb on that device. | 19:37 |
| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: actually the real issue here is that web stuff isnt efficient at all | 19:38 |
| bencoh | (but you know that already :) | 19:38 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | bencoh: "web stuff"? | 19:38 |
| Freemantle | how you guys can explain this?: http://twitpic.com/5tkqhs | 19:40 |
| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: web sites, "webapp", ... | 19:42 |
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| erstazi | Trying to debate on the next move from my N900. Is the Neo900 still going strong or should I just get a Nokia N9 (or Nokia N950 if it is available)? Suggestions? | 20:20 |
| Sicelo | Neo900 going strong, apparently.. but if you need a device fast, you shouldn't be disappointed on N900 | 20:21 |
| erstazi | Sicelo: I have a N900. I could always buy another one if this one breaks but looking forward to future. | 20:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Istill fail to see how N9 is a upgrade from N900 | 20:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/Istill/I still/ | 20:23 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: I still fail to see how N9 is a upgrade from N900 | 20:23 |
| erstazi | sixwheeledbeast: right, no keyboard is a killer for me. | 20:23 |
| erstazi | I wouldn't mind a N950 though. Those look nice and I think that should have been the N9 instead of keyboardless (and other things). | 20:24 |
| Freemantle | sixwheeledbeast, after some googling i found repos apps and guide for the N9 :D | 20:25 |
| Freemantle | even compiling if needed | 20:25 |
| Freemantle | thanks to all of you guys ofr the answers :) | 20:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | np | 20:26 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~slay systemd | 21:27 |
| * infobot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, systemd!" apt lops off systemd's head. | 21:27 | |
| bencoh | <3 | 21:28 |
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| kerio | but excalibur doesn't behead :s | 21:30 |
| kerio | you want vorpal blade for that | 21:30 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Tekk_: is this any use for porting Go? http://home.gna.org/quarry/ | 21:33 |
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| Tekk_ | sixwheeledbeast: cgoban would probably be the best bet | 21:41 |
| Tekk_ | I'd just havo te get around to actually building a package from my dev vm :P | 21:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok :) | 21:41 |
| Freemantle | what is the thing about Go? | 21:45 |
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| wizbit | does anybody know where i can get nokia n900 screws from? | 21:51 |
| kerio | wizbit: a n900 | 21:51 |
| wizbit | yes | 21:51 |
| * kerio is helpful | 21:51 | |
| wizbit | i guess they must be some standard size | 21:52 |
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| Sicelo | anyone knows a simple way to make N900 open the mobile site of YouTube? | 22:56 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: they don't have a mobile site anymore AFAIK | 23:03 |
| Sicelo | they do.. my roommate's blackberry uses it .. he has good playback of videos, while i basically can't watch anything (we're on same connection) | 23:05 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: it maybe some hacky script that grabs the user agent. | 23:09 |
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| Sicelo | i know his blackberry 9320 has more 'juice' than my N900 (806MHz cpu + 512MB ram) | 23:10 |
| kerio | Sicelo: that's mostly irrelevant | 23:11 |
| kerio | video decoding is probably hardware accelerated on both | 23:11 |
| kerio | also, use cutetube | 23:11 |
| kerio | it works pretty well | 23:11 |
| Sicelo | yeah.. i have cutecube :) | 23:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: QML-browser WFM on youtube | 23:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's the full site but the videos play. | 23:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I also generally use cutetube | 23:15 |
| Sicelo | i must still try qmlbrowser. i seem to be reading a lot of good things about it :) | 23:17 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: Yep the site seems to detect the user agent and redirects to m.youtube or youtube. | 23:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | qml-browser has a few bugs at the moment but generally it's great. With all the bugs fixed it will become my default browser over MicroB. | 23:20 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~seen ashley | 23:46 |
| infobot | ashley is currently on #maemo, last said: 'I try not to touch midgard even with a ten-feet pole'. | 23:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | lol, fifty feet pole maybe | 23:47 |
| kerio | i wouldn't touch yer mom with a fifty feet pole | 23:49 |
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