IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2014-09-23

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freemangordonM4rtinK: any idea how to calculate edges long/lat of the resulting static map (or whatever you called it)?01:33
M4rtinKfreemangordon: should be doable :)01:46
M4rtinKfreemangordon: this:
M4rtinKfreemangordon: or this:
freemangordonthanks, will try it01:49
M4rtinKyou're welcome :)01:52
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jonwildamn, I wish I had a N900 dev setup right now but I dont :(07:59
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drathirlittle paradox - with broken screen vnc not working at n900 ;/12:12
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drathirmean program works but no output...12:17
drathirthe same behaviour at tv-out...12:17
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freemangordon_drathir: screen locked?12:23
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jonwilI cant believe how easy it is to figure out what location-proxy is doing...12:42
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drathirfreemangordon_: no autolock enabled, more possible no reaction to open the slider, but also not sure that because on open the kb flashing loks like positive detecting...13:24
drathirfreemangordon_: in my feelings looks like w/o display the x session not properly auto konfigured...13:26
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FreemantleHi guys17:45
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Freemantlesomebody still alive in the maemo community?17:50
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Freemantlei will buy a new phone, and i'm here cause i was interested in maemo/meego environment17:52
Freemantlebut i don't know probably a thing about..17:53
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Freemantleso can you help me?:)17:53
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drathir! flasher17:53
infobotmethinks flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
Freemantlecan someone help me?17:54
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infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is
drathirfor start too make sure device is clean...17:55
infobotit has been said that firmware is please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher17:55
infobotcombined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or
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infobotemmc is, like, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or, or
drathirFreemantle: ^^17:56
drathirFreemantle: if any specific questions feel free to ask here...17:57
Freemantlespecific yes:17:57
Freemantlemeego is RPm based right?17:57
drathirFreemantle: what i know its not using deb ones, but not sure...17:58
Freemantleas i thought17:58
Freemantleso hy i read around17:58
Freemantlethings like:17:58
Freemantle" for meego" and there is a .db files?17:58
drathirn900 deb based is...17:58
Freemantlelook here17:59
Freemantleit's written " meego app"17:59
Freemantlebut it's a .deb file!(for maemo)17:59
Freemantlei don't understand..17:59
zGrrharmattan was branded as meego to show the public that meego was alive, but it wasn't reall a meego system, was it?18:00
zGrrmere styling.18:00
drathirFreemantle: need to wait for experts maybe package manager there is able to using deb ones too, not sure of that...18:00
Freemantle@zGrr i read about the fake Maemo6,but still i read around about RPM manager in the OS18:01
drathirif good remember is big difference between maemo and meego...18:02
Freemantledrathir, as i know too18:02
Freemantlethat's why i don't understand how all the meego users get working .deb files18:02
zGrrRPM? In harmattan? maybe in some planned systtem that was supposed to replace it.18:03
Freemantleit was supposed to be .rpm ones18:03
SiceloHarmattan uses debs18:03
Freemantleread by yourself18:03
drathirmaybe alien using ? no idea...18:03
FreemantlePackage manager RPM Package Manager18:03
zGrryeah, yeah18:04
Siceloread what *we* tell you :)18:04
zGrrMeego was a mess. And probably still is.18:04
Freemantleyea so the fake mameo6 is real..18:04
SiceloFreemantle: maybe erase in your mind Meego... and replace it with Harmattan18:04
Freemantleso the actually meego pr.13 accept deb and have apt-get as package manager?18:05
zGrrFreemantle: correct18:05
FreemantleLOL dat wikipedia lier xD18:05
Freemantleok guys thanks18:05
Freemantlecan you helpè me18:05
Freemantledecide about choosing the phone'18:06
zGrrFreemantle: wikipedia did not lie. Nokia did.18:06
FreemantleLOL zGrr18:06
Freemantlei will buy a new phone18:06
zGrrallofthem are crap18:06
Freemantlebut i really enjoy te maemo community environment18:06
Freemantleif i choose maemo as OS i will take the N918:07
Freemantlebut still i'm afraid about the apps18:07
zGrrI have both N9 and N900. I still use N900 as my primary phone.18:07
Freemantleofficially it's a dead environment,isn't it?18:07
zGrrDead as a dodo18:08
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Freemantleas a dodo=?18:08
Freemantlethe animal18:08
drathirn900 exclude years still rocks... no alternatives...18:08
Freemantleyou are a little hidden community to my eyes why n900 rocks?18:09
Freemantlei'm pretty curious18:09
drathiralmost clean debian powered...18:09
Freemantlecompare a nexus5 ith a n90,what stop you from buying a N5?18:09
drathirin my opinion...18:09
zGrrYou cannot compare it.18:10
Freemantleit's a matter of pgones or OS?18:10
Freemantleyou prbably right18:10
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Freemantleso what is the matter?18:10
* drathir dont like spying android ;/ and want to have full access to radio...18:10
zGrrI don't know. I wouldn't touch an android even with my leg.18:10
FreemantleLOL i think the NSA don't even have any exploit or backdoor acces for such dead OS18:11
drathirput android traffic by squid You run with scream ;p18:11
zGrrIt is not dead.18:12
Freemantleofficially it is18:12
SiceloFreemantle: why are *you* interested in Maemo/MeeGo?18:12
Freemantlei saw a survived environment still, with the users effort18:12
zGrrIt is just that there is no modern hardware to run it on.18:12
drathirno only nokia "free" the support for community only support...18:12
zGrrSystem is not dead. Nokia is dead.18:13
Freemantleme? i hate to be mainstream,want to have a MiniPC with phone calls,and do pentesting on the way18:13
Freemantleand of course more battery life as possible18:14
Siceloand why you choose an old device/OS for that?18:14
drathirbut with that "old" hw on board not look tragic one like... android have problems at 4 cores ;p18:14
Freemantlei didn't cose anything,that's why i'm herei need to know how it is and if it can suit my needs18:14
drathirFreemantle: battery life sadly weak point... in my opinion...18:14
Freemantleeither on n9?18:15
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drathirno n9 info sadly...18:15
Freemantlethere is no differences between Nemo mobile and Meego?18:15
* drathir only prefer hw kb ones phones...18:15
zGrrI never really liked N9.18:16
Freemantleso why not the n950?18:16
zGrrN950? Rare species18:16
Siceloor N5 ;)18:16
* drathir neo900 waitin ;p18:16
FreemantleN5 doesn't have hw kb18:16
Siceloi meant.. can't you try it for pentesting use?18:17
Freemantlenee90 still unaccesible..18:17
FreemantleSicelo,just for srrating Aircrack is available only for 3 device AFIK18:17
Freemantleone is the N9/90018:17
drathirbut in my opinion only that one is next gen n900 rest not similar to n900 ;/18:18
Siceloi know :D18:18
Freemantlethe second is the Sgalaxy S218:18
Freemantleand the third im not sure exists18:18
Freemantleso just to snif and other things, i can't18:18
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Sicelothe point i'm drving at then, Freemantle, is that .. you probably shouldn't wonder why we're all interested in N900, as old as it may be18:18
Freemantlei'm discovering my inner love woith your help xD18:19
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drathirfor me no alternative to n900 until neo900 "spawn"...18:19
Freemantlestill with apps you can anyway sniff and strip with apps on android18:19
Freemantlelike dsploit18:19
drathirandroid is powerless... ;p18:20
Freemantleyou don't have to get root to use it18:20
Freemantleand you can get a perfect automated tool18:20
Freemantlethat meego lacks18:20
drathirthey finally discovered way to get into monitor mode at android??18:21
zGrrMeego? What Meego?18:21
FreemantleMeego lacks from a suit like dSploit18:21
zGrrI don't know. I'm not into security auditing business.18:22
Freemantleactually you guys are you mounting maemo5 or meego?18:22
Freemantleor nemo?18:22
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drathirlol if needed even possible run arch at n900 ;p18:23
Freemantledrathir you got the point!!!18:23
drathiri guess archassault also no problem...18:23
Freemantlemy dream is to have a distro in a phone18:24
zGrrWhat are you talking about?18:24
drathirFreemantle: no mounting ;p native running ^^18:24
Freemantleanyway actually what OS are you running now on your devices?18:24
* drathir dual maemo/arch18:24
drathirboth ofc native not chroot ;p18:25
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Sicelonow what?18:26
drathirofc when needed arch at chroot in maemo also no problem ;p18:26
Freemantlearch with phone support?18:26
Freemantlei mean calls and sms?18:27
Freemantleand 3g data?18:27
drathirYou got maemo+arch app available at one time...18:27
drathirFreemantle: weak support for modem atm, but who know with time...18:27
Freemantlenether simple calls and sms?18:28
Sicelo3G  data worked on both arch & debian when i used them .. so did sms18:28
drathirFreemantle: dont wish a miracled doing something from nothing... gretings for all developer and hard work to make that possible...18:28
Freemantleholy words drathir18:28
Sicelogsm voice is actively being worked on .. important bits are already in mainstream kernel18:29
Wizzupare there any guides on this?18:29
Freemantlebut is the n900 laggy compared to the n9 &N950?18:29
Freemantlearch ^18:29
* drathir wonder who say that maemo or n900 is dead ? ^^18:29
drathirFreemantle: arch with n900+xfce4 is smoothly ;p18:30
zGrrN9 feels crappy compared to N900.18:31
zGrrHalf baked product.18:31
drathirzGrr: ++18:31
Freemantledrathir AFA you know, all these things running on n900 are working on N9/N950 either?18:31
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zGrrI almost bought Jolla recently.18:32
zGrrGave up after discovering that they don't have SIP support working.18:33
drathirFreemantle: like i say hw kb for me is prior and dont like the way how work meego a little what i remember, more like maemo...18:33
FreemantlezGrr depends on the end-user, if it needed..18:33
TerminatorI am back!18:34
Freemantle@drathir so you actually are runnign maemo5?18:34
drathirzGrr: jolla for me is strange thing, trying to make better something what was really good and became like always ;/18:34
drathirLinux Nokia-N900 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux18:35
* Sicelo is on M5 (daily device.. only device actually)18:35
* drathir 2devices atm...18:36
Freemantlebut if all apps working on meeo either why you still on old maemo?18:36
zGrrdrathir: I wish them good luck, but I'm not sure if there's enough hipsters out there to keep the business going.18:37
zGrrIt has that hipster-ish appeal, doesn't it?18:37
drathirone fully working exclude broken usb, second is working w/o lcd/ and maybe gsm its for external charger usage...18:37
Sicelobecause 'old Maemo' works just fine18:37
zGrrThere is no meego.18:38
* drathir more like maemo than meego because of strange security policy at megoo packages too..18:38
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* Terminator thinks android is opensource fork of maemo18:39
Freemantlewhat stops you guys from using Meego if they both runningthe same package manager and Meego it's supposed to be better than Maemo?18:39
FreemantleLol terminator18:39
drathirzGrr: for most "normal" users android with 4 cores is enough for me power of my n900 and almost clean linux is enough...18:39
SiceloFreemantle: zGrr said there isn't MeeGo18:40
drathirTerminator: there is opens source fork of android if good remember not sure of its name...18:41
Freemantlebut you replied to me with "maemo", the official name it's Meego even if "thre isn't any Meego"!18:41
Freemantledrathir,it's AOSP18:41
zGrrdrathir: my workmate tried it last week on his samsung. He said it is just as bad as Android, if not worse.18:42
drathirzGrr: not have a try with that, even i use how less possible android too, only when really must eg help someone with problems with phone;/18:43
SiceloFreemantle: 15:04 < Sicelo> Freemantle: maybe erase in your mind Meego... and replace it with Harmattan18:44
elias_a_Has someone listening have had hands on Blackphone?18:44
drathirreally once i connected android to my network throught squid proxy and its one big mess calls everywhere want ;p18:44
FreemantleSicelo, sorry18:44
elias_a_Looks IMHO quite interesting.18:44
zGrrWhat's a Blackphone?18:45
drathirelias_a_: for me isnt secure because of its based at android anyway ;/18:45
drathirelias_a_: its some kind of running linux at windows host...18:46
Freemantleagree with drathir18:46
drathirits mad thing ;/18:46
zGrr ?18:47
drathirelias_a_: ofc i guess they improve the security but still isnt a secure phone for me...18:48
drathirmaybe thats is little insane but /me prefer bb than android...18:48
zGrrIt's not insane.18:48
zGrrQ10 is a nice phone.18:49
Freemantleguys where you get apps? still on ovi store?18:49
drathirfor me is enough not strange connections throught squid at all... i know that could be leaks by bis/bes at rim servers side, but its still more secure in my opinion...18:50
elias_a_drathir: Seems to me they have rewritten the kernel.18:50
drathirelias_a_: maybe thats is correct, but if true in theory its possible in all android phones for free...18:51
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drathirthere more pays i gues for using their infra of servers to make a phone calls...18:52
elias_a_drathir: I am not sure if I understand you.18:53
sixwheeledbeastFreemantle: apps are installed from the application manager via repositories. that is if you are still talking about N900 and Fremantle/Maemo18:53
drathirelias_a_: You have secure comunication at blackphone only in range of their servers...18:53
elias_a_drathir: Or alternatively with some other provider doing the same tricks, right?18:54
Freemantlesixwheeledbeast: my true question is where you get tha paid apps?(they cost pretty much compared to playstore&appstore prices)18:55
sixwheeledbeastN9 and N950 have no future support. N900 and Fremantle is still supported by the community. If you wish for pentesting you are best to choose N900.18:55
sixwheeledbeastPaid apps, what paid apps?18:55
drathirelias_a_: what hear only in range theirs servers that works, but maybe changed...18:56
zGrrYou pay to the authors. Sometimes they ask for it.18:56
Freemantlesixwheeledbeast, services like shaazam,where you get them?18:56
zGrrShaazam? Never heard of it.18:56
elias_a_drathir: I do not understand what you are saying.18:56
sixwheeledbeastFreemantle: Ovi store died long ago. There are very little propitiatory applications like that, this isn't android ;)18:57
drathirelias_a_: its country restricted and what i guessing their using own bts network/servers...18:57
zGrrFreemantle: you don't18:58
elias_a_drathir: Ok. I'll look into it.18:58
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Freemantleso where you actually get the most apps?18:59
zGrr"their servers" == lags - right?18:59
sixwheeledbeastFreemantle: Most of the applications are FOSS, companies don't make applications for Maemo (they probably don't know or care we exist)18:59
sixwheeledbeastdefine "most apps"19:00
drathirelias_a_: i read about it when theorehical data publically discovered not much detailed info was available in that time, now maybe little more info about...19:00
zGrrFreemantle: from the endless ecosystem of Debian.19:00
drathirzGrr: shazam is nice thing...19:00
Freemantlesixwheeledbeast, good question,in fact i saw theapps i need already exists..19:00
sixwheeledbeastEyrie is a FOSS replacement for shazam BTW.19:01
zGrrdrathir: some music service, right?19:01
drathirzama: eyrie is alternative to shazam what i hear...19:01
elias_a_drathir: Just to make it easier for me to understand: is your native language polish?19:02
drathirzGrr: that program from sound sample show what music is played...19:02
raccoon_seems to be some kind of web based audio fingerprinting service19:02
raccoon_for matching audio against known songs19:02
zGrrdrathir: i see. I heard of them. Never tried it.19:02
drathirraccoon_: correct19:02
zGrrI wonder if shazam could recognize someone like for example Sainkho Namtchylak? :)19:04
raccoon_drathir: "picard" should be installable on maemo although i don't know if it is in the official repos19:04
raccoon_it is supported on debian and has been for quite a while. sorry if that doesn't answer your question though19:04
Freemantlelike openvpn,telegram,whatsapp,pdf reader,office suite,aircrack,mail client,a browser(how firefox works?there are other browsers?)19:04
raccoon_Freemantle: there is "microb", a mobile mozilla based browser. there is also opera mobile and you can install firefox/iceweasel19:04
drathirzGrr: shazam is really good even with really bad sample...19:05
drathirraccoon_: thanks a lot...19:05
zGrrI have to ask someone with more up to date smartphone to give it a try.19:05
drathirfennec is also available but little high resource usage...19:06
drathiropera is the best one...19:06
raccoon_drathir: sorry, i meant to say "musicbrainz", not "picard". should be fairly easy to install on maemo19:06
drathirraccoon_: i check too... thanks a lot...19:07
Freemantleguys actually exists some huge repo community driven?19:08
sixwheeledbeastFreemantle: IMO to get the most out of Maemo you have to be prepared to work for some things. If that be fixing up a dirty script, porting stuff from debian, helping beta test some application. If that's definitely not your thing and just want every smartphone app to work, OOTB, look somewhere else.19:10
sixwheeledbeastFreemantle: Firefox doesn't work but stock browser is fine and gecko based19:10
sixwheeledbeastFreemantle: there is fennec but uses so much resource its not worth installing19:11
Freemantleactually it's enough to be sure that all th prev listed apps are working on n919:11
Ras_OlderThe protective screen on my N900 starts to wear off. I was looking for replacement and they had screen or full body layers. I currently had full body layer but it started to wear off from the left side a month to its placement :D19:12
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Ras_OlderHas anyone had those only screen layers in use?19:12
Freemantleanyway i'm open to fixing porting & etc.but i  can't found any guidline to do that,not even how to compile (for example) nginx or a webserver for the n919:12
sixwheeledbeaststock mail client and pdf reader are ok, I am still talking N900 here tho.19:13
sixwheeledbeastI am not well up on the flop that was the N919:13
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
Freemantlethere is some n9 club? to talk with?19:14
sixwheeledbeasttry #harmattan for N9 related chat, most people here are Maemo users or have both.19:15
Freemantlesixwheeledbeast, how much battery life you have on you n900?19:17
sixwheeledbeastThats good all the Harmattan pages have been removed from Nokia19:17
FreemantleD: so where i can get some guide to compile for,or anyway do things by my self?19:17
sixwheeledbeastFreemantle: I get a day with fairly heavy usage and set to check for WLAN and e-mail every 10 minutes.19:18 contains most information about the dev environment19:18
sixwheeledbeastalso see ~sb19:19
infoboti heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, hosted by maemo now. Also at
Freemantlevalid for harmattan either?19:19
Freemantleoh jesus,i don't know a thing about this things xD19:19
sixwheeledbeastsome Harmattan stuff is on the wiki but a lot of Harmattan kinda died with Nokia19:20
Freemantleno mirrors?could be?19:20
sixwheeledbeast? maybe ask on Harmattan for N9 stuff.19:21
Freemantlehope to find someone..atm i's like a desert there :(19:21
Sicelothis channel? 0.o19:22
Siceloi think everyone has been very helpful to you :)19:22
sixwheeledbeastFreemantle: that doesn't surprise me, I am surprised anybody wants a N919:22
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sixwheeledbeastSicelo: on #harmattan19:22
Freemantlekinda poof performnces the n90019:23
Freemantlebetter a n9/n900 i think19:24
sixwheeledbeastpoor in what way? It's more open and has more community support19:24
bencohit has less memory19:25
Freemantleless ram19:25
Freemantleless disk less cpu19:25
Freemantleso more latencys19:25
Freemantlethat consume more battery19:26
* Sicelo wants another N900 19:27
Freemantlewait a second19:27
Freemantleif i run harmattan on the n9 i have to soemtime compile for  harmattan to work19:28
Wizzup18:25 < Freemantle> so more latencys19:28
Wizzup18:26 < Freemantle> that consume more battery19:28
Wizzupthat makes no sense man19:28
Freemantlebut if i install maemo5 on the n9 i can use the n900 aps without any compiling?19:28
Siceloyou won't install Maemo5 on N919:29
Freemantleless ram it's a pain for me,i f open apps browsers and start metasploit i don't think i will able to do it..19:31
sixwheeledbeastFreemantle: Why is less RAM and CPU an issue?19:31
Freemantlebecause I using a lot of apps in backgrounds19:32
SiceloFreemantle: we all do ;)19:32
Freemantletwitter client mail clients,browser,sms and calls,and while they are inbackground i will use some big sopftware like a webserver and metasploit19:33
sixwheeledbeastYou don't need a V8 mustang to go to the shops? It's all about how efficient each application is.19:33
Freemantlesome of the apps afaik are simply interpreted not native anyway19:34
Sicelowhich ones?19:36
sixwheeledbeastI have no issues running browser and 2 other applications while on the phone and have daemons for stock mail etc running19:36
Freemantlea web server could be lighttpd or python simplehttperver19:37
sixwheeledbeastI am not even on Thumb on that device.19:37
bencohsixwheeledbeast: actually the real issue here is that web stuff isnt efficient at all19:38
bencoh(but you know that already :)19:38
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sixwheeledbeastbencoh: "web stuff"?19:38
Freemantlehow you guys can explain this?:
bencohsixwheeledbeast: web sites, "webapp", ...19:42
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erstaziTrying to debate on the next move from my N900. Is the Neo900 still going strong or should I just get a Nokia N9 (or Nokia N950 if it is available)? Suggestions?20:20
SiceloNeo900 going strong, apparently.. but if you need a device fast, you shouldn't be disappointed on N90020:21
erstaziSicelo: I have a N900. I could always buy another one if this one breaks but looking forward to future.20:22
sixwheeledbeastIstill fail to see how N9 is a upgrade from N90020:22
sixwheeledbeasts/Istill/I still/20:23
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: I still fail to see how N9 is a upgrade from N90020:23
erstazisixwheeledbeast: right, no keyboard is a killer for me.20:23
erstaziI wouldn't mind a N950 though. Those look nice and I think that should have been the N9 instead of keyboardless (and other things).20:24
Freemantlesixwheeledbeast, after some googling i found repos apps and guide for the N9 :D20:25
Freemantleeven compiling if needed20:25
Freemantlethanks to all of you guys ofr the answers :)20:25
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sixwheeledbeast~slay systemd21:27
* infobot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, systemd!" apt lops off systemd's head.21:27
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keriobut excalibur doesn't behead :s21:30
kerioyou want vorpal blade for that21:30
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sixwheeledbeastTekk_: is this any use for porting Go?
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Tekk_sixwheeledbeast: cgoban would probably be the best bet21:41
Tekk_I'd just havo te get around to actually building a package from my dev vm :P21:41
sixwheeledbeastok :)21:41
Freemantlewhat is the thing about Go?21:45
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wizbitdoes anybody know where i can get nokia n900 screws from?21:51
keriowizbit: a n90021:51
* kerio is helpful21:51
wizbiti guess they must be some standard size21:52
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Siceloanyone knows a simple way to make N900 open the mobile site of YouTube?22:56
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sixwheeledbeastSicelo: they don't have a mobile site anymore AFAIK23:03
Sicelothey do.. my roommate's blackberry uses it .. he has good playback of videos, while i basically can't watch anything (we're on same connection)23:05
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sixwheeledbeastSicelo: it maybe some hacky script that grabs the user agent.23:09
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Siceloi know his blackberry 9320 has more 'juice' than my N900 (806MHz cpu + 512MB ram)23:10
kerioSicelo: that's mostly irrelevant23:11
keriovideo decoding is probably hardware accelerated on both23:11
kerioalso, use cutetube23:11
kerioit works pretty well23:11
Siceloyeah.. i have cutecube :)23:12
sixwheeledbeastSicelo: QML-browser WFM on youtube23:13
sixwheeledbeastit's the full site but the videos play.23:13
sixwheeledbeastI also generally use cutetube23:15
Siceloi must still try qmlbrowser. i seem to be reading a lot of good things about it :)23:17
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sixwheeledbeastSicelo: Yep the site seems to detect the user agent and redirects to or youtube.23:18
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sixwheeledbeastqml-browser has a few bugs at the moment but generally it's great. With all the bugs fixed it will become my default browser over MicroB.23:20
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sixwheeledbeast~seen ashley23:46
infobotashley is currently on #maemo, last said: 'I try not to touch midgard even with a ten-feet pole'.23:46
sixwheeledbeastlol, fifty feet pole maybe23:47
kerioi wouldn't touch yer mom with a fifty feet pole23:49
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