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| RiD | Guys... i screwed myself. Is there a small bin file i can use to -only- flash the kernel on my n900? Im in limited internet. | 01:26 |
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| RiD | Using the pc flasher utility, as the phone is unbootable, typical multiboot messup | 01:28 |
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| NIN101 | yeah it's possible to flash only the kernle | 01:56 |
| NIN101 | should be here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 01:56 |
| NIN101 | good night | 01:56 |
| RiD | Yeah but the bin file is huge for my data plan :( | 02:01 |
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| RiD | ~combined | 02:28 |
| infobot | i guess combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 02:28 |
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| kerio | why didn't anyone tell RiD about kernel.deb's fiasco image | 09:38 |
| kerio | you guys fucking suck | 09:38 |
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| Humpelstilzchen | tell news | 10:22 |
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| drathir | mornin... | 15:20 |
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| jonwil | With the recent announcement by Microsoft that they are dropping support for Skype for Windows Phone 7, I wonder how long it will be before the N900 looses Skype... | 17:04 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: I don;t think we can do much | 17:08 |
| jonwil | yeah I know, I just wonder if there has been any sort of notice from MS about what might happen | 17:09 |
| freemangordon | TBH I am more concerned what will happen on linux desktop | 17:12 |
| jonwil | I haven't seen anything to suggest Microsoft would drop support for Skype on Linux desktop, they already reversed decision to abandon support for Mac OS 10.5.x and that OS has less user base than Linux | 17:15 |
| jonwil | Its a matter of how much work is required to support a platform vs how much the platform brings in benefits to MS | 17:16 |
| freemangordon | I doubt linux brings any benefit to MS | 17:17 |
| ShadowJK | The question is whether they needed extra effort on serverside for skype on w7 | 17:17 |
| freemangordon | quite the contrary | 17:17 |
| jonwil | The likely answer for MS is that they are retiring older Skype protocol variants and don't want to spend the engineering resources to update Skype for windows phone 7 to support the newer protocols | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | Considering the pain it is to make anything for w7, it wouldn't surprise me if they had created custom protocol for w7 | 17:19 |
| dos1 | jonwil: well.. is Skype on N900 even supported anyway? | 17:19 |
| jonwil | Its not about whether its supported, its about whether it works | 17:20 |
| jonwil | and whether Microsoft makes a change somewhere that stops it working | 17:20 |
| jonwil | seems like they dont want to invest resources to update Skype on windows phone 7 so it will keep working | 17:21 |
| dos1 | yes, but with Skype on N900 being practically abandonned for quite a long time, it already can happen at any moment (and I'm actually surprised that it didn't earlier given that I seem to recall some incompatibilities introduced as a response to reverse engineering efforts) | 17:25 |
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| Pali | I'm using skype only on n900 and today I got email (to address registred at skype account) from skype/MS "Your Skype for Linux version is being retired. Update today." | 17:32 |
| Pali | and they suggest me to update skype for linux to last desktop version... | 17:32 |
| Pali | hahaha no armel binary | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | iirc skype on Maemo was originally criticized a bit because it was the full desktop protocol :) | 17:32 |
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| kerio | pali! | 17:41 |
| Pali | ? | 17:41 |
| Pali | hi! | 17:41 |
| kerio | hi! | 17:41 |
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| Pali | google abandoned xmpp (no audio/video calls from n900 to hangouts), MS going to abandon skype on n900 | 17:44 |
| Pali | so basically there will be no normal audio+video call support | 17:44 |
| kerio | the bitrot is real | 17:45 |
| freemangordon | Pali: is it possible to make google hangaouts working? is it open? (the protocol) | 17:46 |
| freemangordon | *hangouts | 17:46 |
| Pali | no closed source | 17:46 |
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| Pali | and all google clients are probably only wrapper around html5 code | 17:47 |
| Pali | so maybe it could be possible if somebody start hacking it | 17:47 |
| freemangordon | so, basically there is no option. what about FB? | 17:47 |
| dos1 | audio+video over xmpp should still work though, no need to use google for that | 17:47 |
| Pali | I have no facebook account --> no idea | 17:47 |
| freemangordon | I have, but never used it for anything else but chat | 17:48 |
| Pali | yes, our telepathy gabble should work for audio+video via xmpp | 17:48 |
| Pali | I fixed some problems, package is in CSSU-devel | 17:48 |
| Pali | it should work against gmail web plugin | 17:48 |
| Pali | (at least 2 months ago worked) | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | however, I guess maemo has bigger problems ARM | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | *ATM | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | like no CSSU updates since the stone age | 17:48 |
| * freemangordon wonders what has happened with merlin1991 | 17:49 | |
| freemangordon | BTW. Pali: Hi and welcome back | 17:49 |
| Pali | hi :-) | 17:50 |
| freemangordon | Pali: hows your education going? did you take your exams? | 17:50 |
| Pali | I finished my bachelor thesis before deadline :-) | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | great :) | 17:51 |
| Pali | and all I have passed all exams | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | bravo man | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | so you are back to maemo? | 17:51 |
| Pali | now I have some free time, next month I have last final bachelor exam | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | great | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | Pali: BTW we should find merlin1991 somehow and decide on the future of CSSU. If such thing exists at all (the fufture) | 17:52 |
| freemangordon | *future | 17:52 |
| * merlin1991 turns up | 17:53 | |
| Pali | ok, where is merlin1991? | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | OMG, he's alive | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | :D | 17:53 |
| Pali | :D | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: where you've been man, is everything ok with you? | 17:53 |
| merlin1991 | Will do the stable pre release today when my pc is up again | 17:54 |
| freemangordon | hooray :) | 17:54 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: but honestly, I think we should appoint a meeting and decide on how shall all this continue | 17:55 |
| merlin1991 | I'm ok, only my free time is quite nonexistant ... | 17:55 |
| freemangordon | yeah :( | 17:55 |
| freemangordon | is there any chance the situation to improve? | 17:55 |
| plazmonii | wom 5 | 17:56 |
| merlin1991 | I'll try to get sixwheeled.. ready todo stable after this release | 17:56 |
| freemangordon | at least it will be good to give sixwheeled.. some clue on how to make releases | 17:56 |
| * freemangordon was slow with the typing | 17:57 | |
| merlin1991 | I plan on setting up a pre release repo just like we have with testing-testing | 18:00 |
| merlin1991 | and then I'll give sixwheeled.. an intro how todo the metapackage and how to test it before releasing it to the wild | 18:01 |
| merlin1991 | that should prevent most simple errors from sneaking into the actual release | 18:01 |
| merlin1991 | but of course we managed to choose a time here on irc when he's offline | 18:02 |
| merlin1991 | as for testing, there we'll need a meeting and see if maybe someone else wants to pick that work up | 18:03 |
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| drathir | btw n900 cant videocall by gsm? | 18:26 |
| drathir | pidgin cant able do xmpp video/audio calls? | 18:26 |
| * drathir see old team in action again? | 18:27 | |
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| Pali | drathir: n900 does not have support for gsm video calls | 18:43 |
| Pali | drathir: no idea what pidgin support, but I think it has some xmpp audio support (maybe video too) | 18:44 |
| drathir | Pali: hi thanks a lot... im mean that maybe will be good not connect with anv service like skype etc, but make direct one by xmpp? | 18:46 |
| Pali | google libjingle and xmpp jingle are p2p signaling protocols which could work also without server support... so you can use it also with @gmail.com account | 18:47 |
| Pali | just both clients need to support it | 18:50 |
| drathir | oh thats interesting... good if no server depend... | 18:53 |
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| Pali | you need some server support for stun/ice/nat traverse | 18:59 |
| Pali | when you are behind nat/firewall | 18:59 |
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| drathir | Pali: oh sadly true... /me to much on ipv6... | 19:34 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, just tried skype video call from my n900 to ubuntu 12.04 (skype v4.3) and it seems to work without problems | 20:21 |
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| vuvekkk | Does exist FieldTest for N900? | 20:59 |
| vuvekkk | I know about netmon. | 21:00 |
| vuvekkk | But I am looking for something more advanced | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I only wish my internet was good enough to react accordingly to what's going on behind the scenes - people sending mails to council like they were thr council's boss, and simply not stating what they actually are at all. @council, pleasedon't get fooled by win7mac telling you stuff about what HE thinks how maemo and council (and HiFo) works | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | again: NOBODY instructs council what to do, except of maemo community as defined (called 'electorate') in council rules | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and all council activity and negotiations/discussions are generally *in the public* to get reviewed by everybody. No private mails from HiFo to council about how HiFo shall take over and coucil supposed to suurender | 23:57 |
| bencoh | stop worrying about maemo for a week or two, just enjoy - really :) | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | win7mac has a prwtty fsckd up idea of responsibilities assigned to entities | 23:58 |
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