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| DocScrutinizer05 | goldkatze: expenses: ~0, coverage: 80%, donation link: none existing since I discontinued my offer to use my private PP on behalf of HiFo which has a fsckdup PP and bank account | 13:04 |
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| goldkatze | "So in order to donate, you go to … and …"? :-) | 13:05 |
| rZr | this is a problem ... what about using bitcoin ? | 13:07 |
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| hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: is the HiFo PP still frozen? | 13:20 |
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| rZr | seems so | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I asked HiFo (chemist) two or three times what to tell when somebody asks what goldkatze just asked. Answer always been absolute silence | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems HiFo thinks that any questions or rquests form council are irrelevant to them | 13:49 |
| goldkatze | Alright, well -- would be neat to just publish plain wire transfer information of some account within the EU, as most people should be able to just use that. iban, bic, settled. | 13:49 |
| rZr | DocScrutinizer05, which requests ? | 13:50 |
| rZr | previous mc ? | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there is no such account | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rZr: you recall the "you're not in the position to do any requests" ? | 13:51 |
| rZr | was you refering to mc or yourself ? | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 13:52 |
| rZr | the you in "you're not ..." | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask chemist, he uttered that nonsense | 13:53 |
| rZr | as far as i know , the new council did not make any request to hifo | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? | 13:53 |
| rZr | maybe some councilors did | 13:53 |
| rZr | but it's different technically speaking | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I really don't know what in a HiFo member telling a council member "you're not in the position to do any requests" needs further discussion about what might be the meaning of such statement | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when said council member in previous line comlained that mails to HiFo about helping to sort IRC GC issues got ignored by HiFo | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to me that boils down to a crystal clear statement from HiFo "whatever request maemo council sends to HiFo, HiFo simply will ignore the mail and move it to spam folder, since (parts of) council are "not in a position do do any requests' and thus ignoring is the correct way to handle mail from council to HiFo" | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/do do/to do/ | 14:01 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: to me that boils down to a crystal clear statement from HiFo "whatever request maemo council sends to HiFo, HiFo simply will ignore the mail and move it to spam folder, since (parts of) council are "not in a position to do any requests' and thus ignoring ... | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | up to anybody's guess how this determines my relation to HiFo and my motivation to do hours of work to sort problems, just to see the results of such efforts getting ignored by HiFo | 14:04 |
| rZr | well may i ask hifo clarification on interactions between hifo and mc ? | 14:05 |
| rZr | could be a topic | 14:05 |
| rZr | for next meeting | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I am completely fed up with this already | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not the first time I got such answer | 14:05 |
| rZr | but something should be done right ? | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see some dozen lines above: I asked about "how to donate to maemo?" at least 3 times, answer been silence (aka <ignore>) - also an answer, same answer | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | instead of an answer, I receive flames and bashing by spreading nonsense and utter lies about what I allegedly done | 14:13 |
| rZr | what about using bitcoin account | 14:13 |
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| rZr | maybe easier to setup | 14:13 |
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| rZr | but who will keep the keys ? | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *I* will NOT support or recommend any such move | 14:14 |
| rZr | just an idea | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either HiFo owns such bitcoin account and we will see more money dumped into black holes where it never again shows up, or somebody else owns the account and receives threatening by HiFo about nonsense like tax evasion and even money laundry (ROTFL) | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually maemo doesn't really need any money currently, since everybody is doing pro bono work, even IPHH been willing to collocate the server for free and it been Rob of HiFo who insisted in a contract, so IPHH had to write some amount into such contract. Otherwise our colocating service would have been for free and not cost a 100some bucks per year | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | current colo is paid till march 2015 afaik | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hw extensions (like external (USB) HDDs for keeping images off site) that techstaff+coucil suggested to HiFo... guess what happened to them! Right, you guessed it, they got ignored. | 14:22 |
| rZr | and the vbulletin forum ? | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's paid | 14:23 |
| rZr | until ? | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that'sm a software, no service | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so "until the bits decay" | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the only expense is for HiFo keeping itself alive | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and ~100bucks / anno for the colocation, thanks to Rob insisting in a written contract | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and what we would need is a decent wildcard SSL cert, but that's not only a question of payment but also a problem since we're not owning the domain, so we cannot get such SSL cert for the domain | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | such cert would cost ~100bucks per anno | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but getting it would again need HiFo coordinating with Nokia dnsmaster so HiFo would pay it, Nokia would receive it and then send it to HiFo which in turn could send it to sysops for it getting installed to the servers. And guess what.... | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | techstaff did a botch makeshift and installed free SSL certs (no wildcard) that I registered at startssl. Again guess what! Of course, I received bashing from chemist why *I* did this | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who THE F*** ELSE? | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, there are 12EUR/a for scratchbox.org domain. I'm currently paying those from my kitty, since HiFo since 6 months isn't capable to start a KK request to take over ownership for that domain | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I meanwhile refuse to do any help beyond nodding off the transfer. I'm fed up with all that bickering | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in iirc 10 months the current 1 year term of scratchbox.org expires and I simply won't extend it. I don't care what happens to that domain then | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Registry Expiry Date: 2019-09-08T16:25:02Z -- but that doesn't reflect the annual payment to ODN for hosting it | 14:46 |
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| jonwil | hi | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi jonwil | 14:47 |
| jonwil | I cant believe how my N900 is still going strong, those things are very rugged pieces of hardware assuming you treat the USB port right and it doesn't break there :) | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup :-) | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are just two failure patterns - both notorious and nasty: USB and "No SIM" | 14:49 |
| rZr | about ssl , is cacert an option ? | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the one can get handled by being caeful and possibly doing ~usbfix, the other is probably triggered by pressing on hw kbd and thus bending the PCB. The harder you press keys, the more likely the BGA solder joints of BB5 modem and companion chips pop open | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rZr: (option) the problem is that owner of maemo.org domain is Nokia -> whois maemo.org | 14:51 |
| rZr | would hacking /etc/hosts maemo.org to an ip community supported ? | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after weeks of investiggation I'm pretty certain about the fact that *no* CA is willing to issue a wildcard cert to "us" as long as we're not registrar of that domain | 14:53 |
| rZr | well wont work | 14:53 |
| rZr | forget what i said | 14:53 |
| rZr | selfsig is not an option too ? | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we had that before we went with free per-server-certs from startssl | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but selfsigned certs are not accepted by any browser, unless you create an exception | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and recently it got even worse | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on browser side | 14:55 |
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| jonwil | I just wish I could get the inspiration to do more with my N900 than use it to check my email, make phone calls, talk on Skype and play games | 15:47 |
| jonwil | i.e. do cool stuff with it again | 15:48 |
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| kerio | cacert is also as good as self-signed certs, on os x and windows | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you say it's worthless? | 16:12 |
| kerio | it's not in the mozilla trust store | 16:12 |
| kerio | distros like debian have to add it manually | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then it's basically worthless indeed | 16:13 |
| rZr | but at least those ones can be added to system | 16:14 |
| rZr | i am able to create cacert certs for my domains | 16:14 |
| rZr | wont help a lot but it could be something to document | 16:15 |
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| Snafu777 | Good morning. So I installed scratchbox last night, and i cannot find dh_make. debhelper is installed, so what gives? | 19:08 |
| Snafu777 | ~debhelper | 19:08 |
| infobot | debhelper is, like, a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. | 19:08 |
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| Snafu777 | is there a reason why dh_* type stuff exists, but not dh_make?? | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | who said ovi maps doesn't start at all? Right, it doesn't for me as well, when clicking on an address in contacts | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this function to locate an address in maps been broken since long time (>1year) such that it showed a location kilometers away from what you searched for. And now it's completely dead | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | starting OVI maps from menu however still works | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even search works once it started | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is quite strange when you think about it | 21:28 |
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| dos1 | new tiles don't download though | 21:34 |
| dos1 | and the function to translate coordinates to address (as used for instance by location-test) is broken, but that may be not related to ovi maps | 21:35 |
| dos1 | is that one in some closed component, by the way? | 21:37 |
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| chem|st | dos1: nokia location daemon | 21:51 |
| chem|st | and iirc yes it is closed, dbus api is available (somewhere) | 21:51 |
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| Sicelo | dos1: dns name for map tiles changed .. | 22:43 |
| Sicelo | maps are still available .. i forgot the new link (but Ovi Suite on Windows 'knows' it) | 22:44 |
| dos1 | dns name should be quite easy to patch in the binary, shouldn't it? | 22:45 |
| dos1 | or at the worst case - /etc/hosts | 22:46 |
| M4rtinK | oh the joy of working with mapping and location related APIs :) | 22:46 |
| M4rtinK | one has something to fix all the time :) | 22:46 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: on mine Ovi Maps does start from contacts (tested just now). Of course, the location is always way off | 22:46 |
| M4rtinK | I have actually fixed a changed URL for one map layer in modRana just today :) | 22:46 |
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