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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((what the diff between deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free and deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free would be)) there shouldn't be a difference, once it been a symlink | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (("don't panic" bootsplash)) see | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 00:24 |
| infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast1: WELL, SORT OF CORRECT, YES | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops capslock, sorry | 00:26 |
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| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: hmm ? | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually even autonimous charging tries to detect fastcharger D+- short, and then use 500mA instead 100mA for flatbatrecover. But ir will happily use 100mA when the short in datalines missing. Just the question is if it comes out of molasses with 100mA | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: hm? hmm??? | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: maybe [2014-07-24 Thu 08:45:34] <norayr> what was the name of tha package containing "don't panic" bootsplash animation? | 00:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well I didn't leave it booting over and over too long to test. | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: the problem is that 100mA won't suffice to powe rup the device during early boot. So a weak or worn battery will drop below lower threshold during the few seconds it needs to boot up to a state where software controls charging. And with missing D+. short even that sw control won't help | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | steady yellow is hw autonomous aka emergency charging, not aided by software | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as battery voltage trips the minimum voltage threshold needed by OMAP system to start and POR the CPU, it will boot and load NOLO, which in turn tries to handle charging by software | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and Nolo also switches steady yellow to pulsing yellow | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now the system runs a CPU and a display, and that will eat more than 100mA | 00:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a charger without D+- short is not supposed to be able to provide more than 100mA, so N900 will behave and continue leeching 100mA for battery charging while same time system DIScharges battery with maybe 200mA | 00:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | exactly what I was about to say | 00:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 00:37 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: the hmming was for the fremantle-1.3 vs fremantle in extras :) | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah. well, that's pretty much bogus | 00:38 |
| nox- | so it wont charge 500 mA even once booted? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not when D+- short missing | 00:38 |
| nox- | oh | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from a PC USB host it might, though | 00:38 |
| nox- | aah | 00:39 |
| nox- | thats what i was wondering | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after ENUM | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOLO doesn't do proper ENUM afaik | 00:39 |
| nox- | ok | 00:39 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: so basically extras/ is fully replicated ? :] | 00:39 |
| honestly | some laptops have a "power" usb socket | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need working linux rootfs for that | 00:39 |
| bencoh | twice the space | 00:39 |
| honestly | that provides higher current and also works when the laptop is powered off | 00:40 |
| honestly | no idea how nicely that plays with n900 | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly: N900 doesn't care | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: yep, wasted space. Ask xes | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody did a wget copy during migrations, I guess | 00:41 |
| bencoh | I think xes is still on vacation/away from a real keyboard | 00:42 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: probably yeah | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as am I, starting this weekend | 00:42 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: you on vacation ? wow ;) | 00:42 |
| bencoh | enjoy ! :) | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, vacation or die | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my health doesn't give me any choice | 00:44 |
| honestly | I hope you will stay away from maemo for at least two weeks | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 weeks is exactly what I planned as minimum afk time | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 00:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Wasn't the whole fremantle-1.3 thing suppose to be for some incompatiblity with fremantle-1.2? | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, 1.2 was incompatible with 1.1 | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1.3 been established just in anticipation | 00:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ah, I knew there was a reason | 00:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | so 1.3 is an exact copy of 1.2 | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the story goes like: when we roll out new 1.X MP, we will ship new incompatible packages in repo for stuff that 1.(X-1) dvices may depend on. So we have a repo copy of 1.(X-1) for those who don't want to update, so they still can install packages that are compatible to their system | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a second thought, that might have been 1.2->1.3 | 00:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for those who don't want to update to 1.3, there's fremantle-1.2 with all the old lib versions so they could install stuff from extras and the stuff doesn't pull in incompatible 1.3 versions of lins or whatever | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so devices not willing to upgrade to 1.3 need to use fremantle-1.2 | 00:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | exactly, how I remember it. | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle is meant to be "rolling release", while fremantle-1.3 is a symlink to fremantle for the time until a incompatible PR1.4 would get released | 00:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ah, I see the reason for fremantle now. | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on release of PR1.4 the fremantle-1.3 would turn from a symlink into a copy | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | static copy | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka snapshot | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas there never been a pr1.4, and somebody messed it up during migrations, turning fremantle-1.3 symlink into a copy | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then shit hit the fan | 00:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well I can't image anybody on <1.3 now | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes did a compare between fremantle and fremanlte-1.3 afail | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik* | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody on <1.3 is irrelevant, since that would be fremantle-1.2 | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that *is* a snapshot of fremantle of 2011(?) | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have a fremantle-1.2 afaik | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a copy, as it is supposed to be | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're NOT supposed to have a fremantle-1.3 copy, particularly not one that's not in sync with fremantle | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas reality looks different | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to autobuilder madness | 01:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hm | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask xesw | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xesw | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn it! | 01:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | xes maybe ;) | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes, our sysop | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he did a comprehensive compare and analyzed what are the differences between fremantle-1.3 and fremantle | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody should use this info/data and re-unify those two repos | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (unless somebody already did and I missed it) | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we also got maemo5 ex-symlink to fremantle :-/ | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same trouble | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | migration created an incredible mess | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything "worked" so nemein didn't care anymore, and of course Nokia didn't care at all | 01:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: I remember.... | 01:06 |
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| Snafu777 | Ayone in here familiar with the best "how-to" regarding dh_make on maemo? I can't seem to find a package | 16:44 |
| Snafu777 | ~dh_make | 16:44 |
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| goldkatze | Where to see current coverage of expenses and proper donation link for *.maemo.org? | 17:03 |
| goldkatze | I'm not gonna dig through lengthy, over 12 months old forum threads… | 17:04 |
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