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| Kilroo | I had an entertaining dream. | 01:44 |
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| Kilroo | It had a weird phone in it. | 01:44 |
| Kilroo | It pretty much seemed to be an N9, running Maemo 5 but with the N9 feed screen as one of its desktops, and with a hardware keyboard Other Half. | 01:45 |
| Kilroo | It was a lot more fun than the next dream which was about an upcoming project at work going horribly horribly wrong. | 01:46 |
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| Ashley` | yaaay | 02:27 |
| Ashley` | i managet to boot my broken usb n900 | 02:27 |
| Ashley` | *managed | 02:27 |
| honestly | congratulations! | 02:27 |
| Ashley` | battery from nokia c3-01 touch and type is smaller (physicaly) | 02:27 |
| Ashley` | but duct tape | 02:27 |
| Ashley` | and it works | 02:28 |
| Ashley` | im so happy | 02:28 |
| honestly | what part of your n900 is broken? | 02:30 |
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| Ashley` | can i clean all my data from n900 with broken usb port easily? | 04:20 |
| Ashley` | i dont trust repairs men :| | 04:21 |
| Ashley` | honestly: usb | 04:21 |
| honestly | ah | 04:21 |
| Ashley` | oooh | 04:25 |
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| Ashley` | backupmenu + robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ | 04:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Ashley`: yup, that's probably a very good way. However take care to not mess up your root image when installing BM. Once you are in a bootloop you will have real troubles escaping that, without a working USB | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe you first use WiFi and a sck or sftp to copy all your relevant stuff to another box | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 04:40 |
| infobot | rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ might have some templates for such rsync backup | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 04:48 |
| infobot | backupmenu is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I 'heard' bm is in extras-testing now | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a slightly more recent version in extras-devel though, iirc | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I recently force-promoted a few packages to make that happen) | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or wait, was it "BM in extras, but a slightly more recent one in extras-testing"? | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen robbiethe1st | 04:51 |
| robbiethe1st | uh | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh! :-D | 04:51 |
| infobot | robbiethe1st is currently on #maemo (5m 22s), last said: 'I mean... unless I turn it into a jammer...'. | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi robbiethe1st | 04:52 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah, I'm here | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: please check your BM packages | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some may need promoting | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 04:52 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm not sure /how/ | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 04:53 |
| infobot | pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ | 04:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Last I tried, like 3 years ago, I couldn't for some reason | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to start with | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: there been unmet dependencies on i2ctools. I forced those down into maemo-extras | 04:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh, that's interesting | 04:54 |
| robbiethe1st | An error occurred during a connection to maemo.org. | 04:54 |
| robbiethe1st | The OCSP server has no status for the certificate. | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't use https: or disable OCSP | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or ise another browser | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use* | 04:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I *heard* disabling and re-enabling OCSP is already enough to 2fix" the issue | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ | 04:57 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: I *heard* disabling and re-enabling OCSP is already enough to "fix" the issue | 04:57 |
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| robbiethe1st | Oh, it says the cert expired like 3 months ago | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, known issue | 04:57 |
| robbiethe1st | alright, now I'm logged in | 04:58 |
| robbiethe1st | Now what? | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | serch for backupmenu :-) | 04:58 |
| robbiethe1st | No, I mean... | 04:58 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm there | 04:58 |
| robbiethe1st | But where is the promote button? | 04:58 |
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| robbiethe1st | Oh, hm | 04:59 |
| robbiethe1st | looks like the version in Extras needs bootmenu | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/backupmenu/1.2.0-2/ | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Warning: This package has missing dependencies!<< :-S | 04:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Looks like http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/bootmenu/1.12/ has a mis-typed dependancy | 05:00 |
| robbiethe1st | (getbootstate) | 05:00 |
| robbiethe1st | should be 1.0.35 not 1.0.38? | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm no expert | 05:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems the version in extras-devel is fine | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe promote that one to extras-testing? | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooops, I did? | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my bad | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please check what's missing and promote new "fixed" version -devel to -testing, or alternatively tell me which dependencies are missing and need promotion to extras-testing to meet your dependencies | 05:03 |
| robbiethe1st | OK | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 05:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm fed up with such a great package lingering on in extras-devel | 05:04 |
| robbiethe1st | Looks like we need getbootstate straightened out | 05:04 |
| robbiethe1st | so | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | getbootstate sunds to me like a core package | 05:04 |
| robbiethe1st | The version in extras-testing is from the PR1.2+ | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds* | 05:05 |
| robbiethe1st | the version it's complaining about | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh!! | 05:05 |
| robbiethe1st | I don't understand how that works? | 05:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 neither | 05:05 | |
| robbiethe1st | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr_armel/getbootstate/1.0.35+0m5/ vs http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr1-2_armel/getbootstate/1.0.39+0m5/ | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you really need newest version of getbootstate? | 05:07 |
| robbiethe1st | damned if I know; I need bootmenu | 05:07 |
| robbiethe1st | It needs it | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* the new version should have made it from Nokia SSU repo to extras-testing and extras. But maybe it didn't. My knowledge ends there | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ please check state of getbootstate in maemo-extras-testing and maemo-extras | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: I guess we want newest version form Nokia SSU repo in all the maemo-extras-* autobuilders, right? | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/backupmenu/1.2.0-1/ looks kinda fine :-) | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: ^^^ | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: what's the exact changelog from 1.2.0-1 to 1.2.0-2 ? | 05:12 |
| robbiethe1st | I don't know; I didn't make it | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1.2.0-2 Added libpopt.so.0, removed vi swapfile .functions.sh.swp | 05:12 |
| robbiethe1st | I guess | 05:13 |
| robbiethe1st | I know there was a newer version floating around | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so some "minor" changes in shell/console ? | 05:13 |
| robbiethe1st | I thought it was upload? | 05:13 |
| robbiethe1st | It's been a frigging year | 05:14 |
| robbiethe1st | Do you think I remember? | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, really | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you remember the names libpopt.so.0 vi swapfile .functions.sh.swp ? | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least what they are related to | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi sounds like shell | 05:15 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh, that piece was just a left over swapfile from vi | 05:15 |
| robbiethe1st | Probably from when I edited a file on the N900 | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the swapfile is also meant to facilitate shell? | 05:15 |
| robbiethe1st | vi creates a swap file whenever you edit something | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, so it's not any relevant *update* at all | 05:16 |
| robbiethe1st | That, no | 05:16 |
| robbiethe1st | Not sure about libpopt.so.0 | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libpopt0/ | 05:16 |
| robbiethe1st | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1338988&postcount=1199 | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly needed by some cli cmds | 05:17 |
| robbiethe1st | Looks like text2screen(which drives the entire GUI) updated | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in shell | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OUCH! | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that IS a relevant update | 05:18 |
| robbiethe1st | and I had to fix it. That's likely the only reason I would have gone to the trouble of figuring out how to make a package again | 05:18 |
| robbiethe1st | Yup | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, let's face it: I got NFC how to add getbootstate to extras-testing (or extras). Let's wait what merlin1991 is able to find out | 05:19 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah | 05:20 |
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| robbiethe1st | It's not like I'm not here every single evening or anything <_< | 05:21 |
| robbiethe1st | So no rush on account of me | 05:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine! Thanks a lot! | 05:23 |
| robbiethe1st | :P | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ashley`: install BM from maemo-extras. AIUI it should "just work" for your purposes | 05:24 |
| robbiethe1st | The only thing I really should fix is the charger-script; it ends up putting crud all over the screen in terminal mode; makes it hard to do terminal stuff. | 05:26 |
| robbiethe1st | also need to figure out a key for the | character | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ######################################### tagline in red for you to spot, relevant text above ##################################################### | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | charger script >/dev/null ? | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know ShadowJK made it a bit talkative | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 05:28 |
| robbiethe1st | Basically | 05:28 |
| robbiethe1st | Or change it such that it outputs stuff via text 2 screen -- perhaps a charging "icon" in one corner | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and I did a patch that I think could benefit everybody: I increased LCD backlight brightness to 100% on charger-detected | 05:29 |
| robbiethe1st | I thought I had that for like years | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh! | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dinno, my BM might be years old ;-P | 05:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Likely | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | always worked like a charm, so no need to hop hoops to update it | 05:30 |
| robbiethe1st | yeah | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I'm not on KP, so no shell anyway) | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe that's what is actually _not_ working on old BM | 05:32 |
| robbiethe1st | KP is needed | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since thinking about it I wouldn't know why KP is needed for shell | 05:32 |
| robbiethe1st | for shell | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha! :-) | 05:33 |
| robbiethe1st | Um, it's a kernel framebuffer thing that's needed? | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I remembered correctly, only forgot the reason \o/ | 05:33 |
| robbiethe1st | fbcon? | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, the usual menu works just fine | 05:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | text2screen I guess | 05:34 |
| robbiethe1st | yeah | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but prolly there's no xterm/xserver | 05:34 |
| robbiethe1st | Nope | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you resorted to fb | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for shell | 05:34 |
| robbiethe1st | Of course; mainly because all the files have to be loaded entirely in memory for things to work right | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or somesuch | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 05:35 |
| robbiethe1st | you can't wipe out the partition you are running off without potential issues | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | creating a text2screen-term is probably a PITA | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scrolling alone... :-o | 05:36 |
| robbiethe1st | That would be... interesting | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you noticed it? we're reinventing the xserver-less approach of android etc | 05:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Eh, I thought we were reinventing the 1980's serial terminals! | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where each app does its own screen management | 05:38 |
| robbiethe1st | or DOS | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yummy, DOS on text2screen | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would each command get its own text2screen patches or would we get some text2screen-cmd aka dosbox? | 05:39 |
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| robbiethe1st | I'm thinking that if we had more memory, running a full Maemo instance would be possible | 05:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Just load the whole damned thing into memory | 05:40 |
| robbiethe1st | X-servers be awesome | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, in Neo900 that's an attractive alternative | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you heard we're going for 1GB RAM now? | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | semi-secured | 05:41 |
| robbiethe1st | That sounds awesome | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should suffice for that approach | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we finally found a less-unobtainium chip in a N9 | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amazing how all googling didn't help to spot that chip, until we knew the part number | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | samsung site is such a **** | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/516/ | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (sssh! he just c&p'ed the mail I sent him ;-D ) | 05:45 |
| robbiethe1st | :p | 05:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | now if only samsung provided DAMN datasheet for that chip | 05:49 |
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| robbiethe1st | Can't you contact them and/or your reseller | 05:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, we need to try trhat, yes. Anyway http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=280413 | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the usual daily nightmare of EE and generally building hw at alrge | 06:16 |
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| Snafu777 | Does anyone here have a Comcast TG852G or TG862G Wireless Gateway modem (http://www.cabletv.com/images/cabletv/new/comcast/xinternet-content4.jpg.pagespeed.ic.zBBrNORFHa.jpg)? I would really appreciate your feedback if you do! | 06:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy, tmo at its best | 09:48 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: robbiethe1st: after some research a while ago I found that 1.2.0-2 was made by ade and needs packages from cssu-devel. Not a good idea to promote this. | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: when it "needs packages from -devel" then those packages need promotion as well, no? | 10:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: yes promotion to CSSU-Stable or Extras before the main package can be promoted | 10:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tried to do exactly this | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now it turns out that extras-testing has a lower version of getbootstate than extras-devel. Since getbootstate is a core package, I don't see how it comes into extras-* at all, and for sure I don't know of any way to promote it | 10:53 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | The ~bm update is to fix an issue with a package in CSSU-Devel anyway IIRC. | 11:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | this is why extras version works fine | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 11:15 |
| kerio | backupmenu really needs to be a uboot-startable separate OS | 11:15 |
| kerio | it relies too much on maemoisms | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not BM, that's a locally installed cersion of ~rescueOS | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | version* | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to create such on your device any time | 11:17 |
| kerio | mh, i should make a "rescueos-bootimg" package | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however you are aware that most users don't even have uBoot, do you? | 11:18 |
| kerio | i am | 11:18 |
| kerio | and that's bad | 11:18 |
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| Ashley` | DocScrutinizer05: i have backup of important things ;) | 11:33 |
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| Ashley` | where does backupmenu stores backups? | 11:45 |
| Ashley` | (where should i put them to restore them) | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can choose to eithe put them on uSdor on eMMC iirc | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uSD or...* | 11:49 |
| kerio | mydocs or the first vfat partition of the uSD | 11:50 |
| kerio | er | 11:50 |
| kerio | the first partition of the uSD | 11:50 |
| kerio | mounted as vfat | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxrwxrwx 1 user root 561643520 2011-03-06 20:09 /home/user/MyDocs/systemBackups/20110306-1905-optfs.tar | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxrwxrwx 1 user root 287365120 2011-03-06 20:07 /home/user/MyDocs/systemBackups/20110306-1905-rootfs.tar | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems quite out of date though :-o | 11:52 |
| Ashley` | oh /systemBackups? | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually optfs is misleading, it has /opt *and* /user | 11:54 |
| Ashley` | thx | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and /user has what you'd expect in it | 11:55 |
| Ashley` | /use? | 11:55 |
| Ashley` | /user? | 11:55 |
| Ashley` | not /home? | 11:55 |
| kerio | he means /home/user | 11:56 |
| kerio | /opt is a symlink to /home/opt | 11:56 |
| Ashley` | i know | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i.e. all you get from a ls -l ~user|grep -v MyDocs | 11:56 |
| Ashley` | how long does it take to restore backup? | 11:57 |
| Ashley` | 69M 20110619-2247-optfs.tar.gz | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | optfs should rather get named homefs | 11:57 |
| Ashley` | 86M 20110619-2247-rootfs.tar.gz | 11:57 |
| kerio | Ashley`: not much | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh, your files look smallish | 11:58 |
| kerio | the gunzipping will take a bit it hink | 11:58 |
| Ashley` | DocScrutinizer05: those are clean files | 11:58 |
| kerio | *i think | 11:58 |
| Ashley` | http:// | 11:58 |
| Ashley` | http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I start to wonder why yours also is of 2011 .oO(???) | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, .gz | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that explains the size | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never dared to test .gz | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly takes ages | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah, robbiethe1st's image | 12:01 |
| Ashley` | i have my images | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means? | 12:02 |
| Ashley` | but they are not clean (they have my data) | 12:02 |
| Ashley` | and i want to clean my n900 | 12:02 |
| Ashley` | before giving it to repairs man | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, reflashing would be the method of choice for that | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but hard to do with broken USB | 12:04 |
| Ashley` | yeah :P | 12:04 |
| Ashley` | now i have to wait til my battery is full | 12:04 |
| Ashley` | i use battery from nokia c3-01 | 12:04 |
| Ashley` | (not c3-00) | 12:04 |
| Ashley` | BL-5CT | 12:05 |
| Ashley` | it works (tm) | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then otoh you can use dd to nuke complete /home and / | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course it won't boot after that anymore, but then you want to get USB fixed anyway | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after that you can reflash and then restore your backups | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for test of USB it's sufficient to connect nokia charger and then also a Linux PC and watch USB ENUM in PC's syslog | 12:07 |
| Ashley` | well, i'd like to keep my n900 bootable :P | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll have a hard time then | 12:07 |
| kerio | easy time | 12:07 |
| kerio | just flash a known-to-work bm image | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to really erase all that stuff from flash | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, since bm only writes files | 12:08 |
| Ashley` | oh | 12:08 |
| kerio | oh, fair enough | 12:08 |
| Ashley` | it does not delete? | 12:08 |
| kerio | install uboot | 12:08 |
| Ashley` | uboot does not work on that n900 | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it may even keep files that already exist and are not getting overwritten by new version | 12:08 |
| kerio | Ashley`: it does a mkfs on the emmc, it does a rm -r on rootfs | 12:08 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't be silly | 12:08 |
| Ashley` | thats fine | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: huh? | 12:09 |
| kerio | that means that, at least for the emmc, there's a high chance that your data is still there | 12:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: that would be a completely idiotic way to do things | 12:09 |
| kerio | because it doesn't restore a full backup | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what do you expect from an untar? | 12:09 |
| kerio | what happens if /etc/nologin is on the rootfs? | 12:09 |
| kerio | i expect nothing from an untar | 12:09 |
| kerio | i expect from backupmenu to remove the old files | 12:10 |
| kerio | which it does | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't afaik | 12:10 |
| kerio | you k wrong | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 12:10 |
| kerio | go check the shellscript | 12:10 |
| kerio | the emmc is completely mkfsed | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 12:10 |
| kerio | it doesn't quite touch the ubifs because nobody knows how the fuck ubifs is supposed to wokr | 12:10 |
| kerio | *work | 12:10 |
| kerio | but it deletes the files | 12:11 |
| kerio | idk if ubifs will actually erase the pages, however | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then make sure it also does a format of all empty blocks, or otherwise your data still lingers on in those | 12:11 |
| kerio | yeah | 12:11 |
| kerio | i think ubifs actually might | 12:11 |
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| kerio | for performance reasons | 12:11 |
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| kerio | (it's better to keep as many empty pages as possible) | 12:11 |
| kerio | the emmc... yeah, your data is still there | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you're actually right there | 12:12 |
| Ashley` | whatever, it is not visible xD | 12:12 |
| kerio | robbiethe1st should add a secure erase option to bm | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ubifs is additive write, optinmized for flash, afaik | 12:12 |
| kerio | i think there's some kind of background process that erases unneeded pages after a while | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (secure erase) sonds kinda fine | 12:12 |
| kerio | or something | 12:12 |
| kerio | i guess you could just make a bigass file full of zeroes | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 12:13 |
| kerio | although compression would fuck you over | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...on background process | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 12:13 |
| kerio | ok so | 12:13 |
| kerio | touch a file | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for NAND you're basically screwed, unless you use special nand tools | 12:13 |
| kerio | disable compression | 12:13 |
| kerio | append zeroes | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nandtest for ex | 12:14 |
| kerio | yeah but then you have to remake the ubifs file system | 12:14 |
| Ashley` | can i uncompress that file on computer and not on n900? | 12:14 |
| kerio | Ashley`: sure | 12:14 |
| kerio | it's just a gzipped tarball | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just did | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err nope, I uncompressed it on a normal N900 computer ;-D | 12:14 |
| Ashley` | i know i can uncompress it | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's not compressed | 12:15 |
| Ashley` | but can backupmenu read from not-compressed file? | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mine | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 12:15 |
| Ashley` | you know, .tar, not .tar.gz | 12:15 |
| Ashley` | oh | 12:15 |
| Ashley` | then that'll speed things a bit | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why my files are so much larger | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and now I know why they are so old: I usually backup to uSD since 2011 | 12:16 |
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| Ashley` | Mounting the RootFS... Clearing the RootFS... Restoring Rootfs with Tar :D | 12:54 |
| Ashley` | some errors about timestamps from the future | 12:54 |
| Ashley` | yay timetravel | 12:54 |
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| Ashley` | okay | 13:05 |
| Ashley` | NOKIA - shutdown - NOKIA - shutdown | 13:05 |
| Ashley` | but i clered emmc from backupmenu root console | 13:05 |
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| Ashley` | boot menu not booting~ | 13:06 |
| Ashley` | okay | 13:06 |
| Ashley` | but it is clean now | 13:06 |
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| drathir | mornin... | 14:27 |
| kerio | moin | 14:32 |
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| drathir | the n900 wifi antenna good read from schema is placed bottom the camera led's? | 15:08 |
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| Sicelo | question about wifi - for my work network, i have to use wpa_supplicant from cli becaue wlancond fails to connect. what can i do to reduce power consumption when using it this way? | 15:21 |
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| drathir | if nothing changed wlan power comsumption not works so good if good remember... i guess You could switch on the power_save mode in drivers and cut the rate of rx/tx power... butthats only my guess... | 15:26 |
| Sicelo | with wpa_supplicant? | 15:27 |
| drathir | sadly with that not much You can do i guess only leave network unsecure to little reduce power with encryption... | 15:29 |
| drathir | Sicelo: but please wait a little for answer from ppl more know about that... | 15:30 |
| Sicelo | hehe. i have zero control over the wifi network, and no one is interested in fixing it to let my N900 work. | 15:32 |
| drathir | Sicelo: You have any high security settings that wifi doesnt works with default setup? | 15:34 |
| drathir | personally i would search why not want to connect in the default way... | 15:35 |
| Sicelo | WPA2-PEAP-MSCHAPv2 | 15:37 |
| Sicelo | they have some problem with their certificate, but since 'veryone' can connect except me, no one bothers | 15:37 |
| Sicelo | *everyone | 15:38 |
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| drathir | Sicelo: and that connection get any errors? | 15:52 |
| drathir | Sicelo: advanced checked too? | 15:53 |
| Sicelo | yes | 15:58 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 16:53 |
| Snafu777 | 'Lo | 16:54 |
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| drathir | hi | 17:43 |
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| kerio | ~pali | 17:50 |
| infobot | it has been said that pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I guess you can't do much to reduce power consumption of wpa_supplicant | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use zzztop or powertop to see how much CPU usage and how many IRQs from wlan you get while idle | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably wpa_supplicant needs to decode *every* dang package no matter if addressed to you or to arbitrary other destination, just to make sure you receive the packages meant for you | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik you are moving part of the WLAN protocol stack out of WLAN chip and to main CPU when using wpa_supplicant | 18:29 |
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| drathir | DocScrutinizer05: is any easy way to check wifi antenna in n900 than buying new one? pins cleaned... | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check the C-springs | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on PCB | 18:49 |
| * drathir not sure if only antenna is damaged... | 18:49 | |
| drathir | ok thanks i find them and check too... | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | antenna hardly can get damaged without clear externally visible scratches or cracks | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are pushing on the antenna contact pads | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually schaped like a V rather than a C | 18:50 |
| drathir | DocScrutinizer05: Yes have scratch that why i wish only antenna damaged... | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty likely | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get a new one | 18:51 |
| drathir | need to check if that parts are expensive... | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you got a dip-meter you can check resonance frequency of the antenna. You need to ground it via 50 Ohm for that, on one pad, and directly to ground on the other | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a few bucks, but not easy to find (spare antenna) | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or or try to fix the scratch. The antenna is made of metalized sticky paper glued to the plastic (I guess). A thin scratch probably can break the thin metal layer | 18:54 |
| drathir | yes cu is undercovered with no black secure tape on it... | 19:02 |
| drathir | gps/umts/3g works w/o problems | 19:02 |
| drathir | but i guess its on the second one antenna... | 19:03 |
| drathir | scratch is direct on the wifi connector pins position where case of phone ending and antenna become visable... | 19:07 |
| drathir | http://allegro.pl/nowa-oryginalna-antena-gps-nokia-n900-poznan-fv23-i4412064835.html i guess that both of them... | 19:07 |
| drathir | looks cheap... nots bad... | 19:08 |
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| drathir | oh and also almost forgot to ask some time ago i read on auction description something like that n900 common issue is also not working sd cards slot its true? honestly i first time see that... | 19:20 |
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| M4rtinK | any reason N900 does not boot if the adapter is connected ? | 23:57 |
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