IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2014-07-15

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sixwheeledbeastWhy would you need to download the packages to make it happen offline00:24
sixwheeledbeasto.O00:25
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kerio?00:26
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Snafu777Is it possible to install cssu completly offline?00:36
Snafu777I know this is unconventional, but I am curious00:36
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SiceloSnafu777: the possibility is there of course ... use `apt-get -d install <pkg-name>`01:06
Siceloif you later open up HAM and want to install CSSU, it will (or should) realize that these packages have already been downloaded, and won't redownload. that means, offline :D01:08
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Snafu777Right, but do you not have to go to the website using the phone at some pt?01:10
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jehytتحذير02:42
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jehyt you may be  watched02:42
jehytdo usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy??02:42
jehytdo usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying??02:42
jehytdo they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations??02:42
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DocScrutinizer05maemo council elections closed. results calculated. see http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=3706:56
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DocScrutinizer05thank you to all community members who bothered to vote! And of course a big thank you to all candidates. And a plea to those candidates who were not elected: please stay in close contact with all council activities, we for sure will like to see you standing for elections again in 6 months, and until then your help is very welcome no matter if you're a elected member of council or not. The experience will benefit your candidature on next07:01
DocScrutinizer05council elections07:01
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DocScrutinizer05om a sidenote: from http://maemo.org/vote/votes.php?election_id=37 it's actually worrying how many ballots demonstrate that we (council) didn't manage to explain how the votes work. While number of voted candidates = 5 is ideal and <=5 is still reasonable, I'd count the =1 votes ballots already into the group of >5 votes, which look like voter didn't get the concept of the election07:30
DocScrutinizer05there are _way_ too many ballots with >5 votes, which are not causing trouble in themselves but suggest that voter didn't understand that voting for candidate #6 and beyond is absolutely meaningless07:31
DocScrutinizer05in that context I finally want to pick up on loose end of my suggestion a 6 or 12 months ago: always have a pseudo-candidate "that's enough" which voters can chose and which will cause election counting to terminate when this pseudo candidate gets elected into council.07:33
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DocScrutinizer05Lemme elaborate: when counting of votes results in: 1: Alice, 2: Bob, 3: Christine, 4: Thats_Enough, 5: Eric - then the council will consist of Alice, Bob, Christine only07:35
DocScrutinizer05note that an abstention to vote is not identical to voting for Thats_Enough07:37
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DocScrutinizer05any mobile phone core developer around? ([ex] Nokia highly welcome)  I'd like to discuss under which (APE CPU) conditions the modem should get shut down hard. To explain, an example: When for whatever reason CPU shuts down (let's assume the OMAP would shut down on 3.6V Vbatt while modem can run down to 2.5V battery voltage) then we probably want to make damn sure that modem doesn't live on a a phantom in the machine. Anybody who got08:52
DocScrutinizer05experience/info from practivce and likes to share it with me?08:52
DocScrutinizer05other example scenario: user eventually moved swap to uSD, now does a inmarsat call (12 bucks per minute) and during that call the uSD contacts see a glitch and APE kernel blows chunks aka kernel panic. Subsequently the APE shuts down pretty hard, to reboot. But reboot fails for same uSD contact problem. All the time the established call stays and kills user's economy. And then let's assume this happens 2 minutes before boarding call on08:57
DocScrutinizer05airport08:57
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I am not one of those (as you know), but looking at the signalling in N900, the above scenario is not going to happen. By looking at the schematics it seems that CMT_RST_RQ will be help asserted in case of OMAP reset/power off.09:06
DocScrutinizer05yes09:06
DocScrutinizer05:-)09:06
DocScrutinizer05that's what I think I detected in N900: mutual "watchdog"09:07
DocScrutinizer05I'm just interested in the more abstract design rationale and architecture, if there's a best practice commonly used, or whatever.09:08
freemangordonTBH I have no idea under what conditions CMT would want an APE reset09:08
freemangordonI see09:08
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DocScrutinizer05when APE gone stale?09:08
freemangordonbut how would CMT detect that?09:08
DocScrutinizer05when there's a dynamic watchdog concept then it may detect09:09
DocScrutinizer05CMT may want to see a keep aloive packet once per second, maybe only during calls. Dunno. That's exactly what I want to learn09:09
freemangordonhmm, makes sense09:10
DocScrutinizer05(not that such scheme could easily get implemented into arbitrary other modems)09:11
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: wait, I start to think it is not like that (mutual watchdog), APE_RST_RQ needs working APE to be processed. It is connected to GPIO, not to some reset pin on OMAP/TWL09:19
freemangordonso it is most probably used as an application/protocol level reset, rather than APE hard reset09:20
freemangordonlook at cmtspeech_nokiamodem.c09:20
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: good spotting! :-)09:21
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: is there a explanation of what APE_RST_RQ is meant to do? whether it's input or output, and so on?09:22
freemangordonit is output from CMT to APE09:23
DocScrutinizer05thanks!09:23
DocScrutinizer05more info? :-D09:23
DocScrutinizer05IRQ handler, for example?09:24
DocScrutinizer05(would make some sense)09:24
freemangordonjust a mminute09:25
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: look at https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/hsi/clients/nokia-modem.c?id=refs/tags/v3.16-rc5#n5109:25
DocScrutinizer05:-D09:26
DocScrutinizer05dev_info(modem->device, "CMT rst line change detected\n");   \o/09:26
DocScrutinizer05O*M*G!!!09:26
freemangordonyep. and upstream code is pretty much close to Nokia code IIRC09:27
DocScrutinizer05SSI_reset09:27
DocScrutinizer05you recall my rant about HSI failing/stalling since OMAP loses IRQs?09:27
DocScrutinizer05OMAP4 here09:27
DocScrutinizer05this looks so damn identical to how we had to handle that problem for OMAP409:27
freemangordonhmm, I don;t think this code workarounds anything09:29
freemangordonit just passes APE_RST_RQ to userland, resetting ssi in the meantime09:29
DocScrutinizer05exactly. But why resetting SSI?09:29
freemangordonbecause CMT wants us to do it09:30
DocScrutinizer05sure09:30
freemangordonfreemangordon 9,08,0409:30
freemangordonTBH I have no idea under what conditions CMT would want an APE reset09:30
DocScrutinizer05I cannot think of any non-pathological case where SSI/HSI needs reset09:30
DocScrutinizer05I can :-D09:31
freemangordonhmm?09:31
DocScrutinizer05err I have :-d09:31
DocScrutinizer05CMT wants a APE (incl SSI) reset when CMT FIFO for SSI overflows09:31
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DocScrutinizer05due to APE not servicing the SSI interrupts09:32
DocScrutinizer05now that should never happen, unless SSI hw IF is somehow fux0red09:32
freemangordonwell, maybe it is possible, even if HW is ok09:33
DocScrutinizer05after all SSI should have its own "embedded" IRQ machine09:33
freemangordoniirc from the ssi code, we have 2 modes, "direct" and DMA09:34
freemangordonI guess if the system is overloaded it is possible to have FIFO overrun in both cases09:34
DocScrutinizer05transferring a data word via HSI/SSI from sender to receiver hw block shall work autonomously, and receiver hw block shall trigger an IRQ "data in buffer to fetch!"09:34
DocScrutinizer05yes, overload is one possible cause09:35
freemangordonyes, but data is fetched in a workqueue outside of the IRQ handler09:35
DocScrutinizer05but even then the SSI hw doesn't need reset09:35
freemangordonso, even if the IRQ is served we can still have overflow09:35
DocScrutinizer05overflow is just overflow09:36
DocScrutinizer05eventually APE will handle it09:36
DocScrutinizer05no need for an extra line to ask APE to reset SSI hw09:36
freemangordonlook, this is "ssip_reset_event(modem->ssi_protocol)", i.e. "CMT asserted the reset line"09:36
DocScrutinizer05fck HSI/SSI09:36
DocScrutinizer05SSI is a synchronous protocol that simply transfers 8 bit (usually, other word sizes are possible) from sender to receiver09:37
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: look at http://code.metager.de/source/xref/linux/stable/drivers/hsi/clients/ssi_protocol.c#103809:37
freemangordonwe don't really have ssi reset09:38
DocScrutinizer05oooh09:38
freemangordonthis is treated as an error condition, buffers are emtied, etc09:38
freemangordonemptied even09:39
freemangordonif I read the code correctly09:39
freemangordonanyway, have to leave, bbl09:39
DocScrutinizer05err http://code.metager.de/source/xref/linux/stable/drivers/hsi/clients/ssi_protocol.c#45509:40
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: thanks a ton! have a nice day!09:40
freemangordonsure, but look at what ssip_+reset does09:40
freemangordon*ssip_reset09:40
freemangordonhttp://code.metager.de/source/xref/linux/stable/drivers/hsi/clients/ssi_protocol.c#ssip_reset09:41
freemangordonIMO this is "logical" reset, not a hard one09:41
DocScrutinizer05o.O http://code.metager.de/source/xref/linux/stable/drivers/hsi/clients/ssi_protocol.c#41209:42
DocScrutinizer05the problem is: OMAP HSI has no decent reset ;-P09:44
DocScrutinizer05since nobody ever thought it would need any09:44
DocScrutinizer05so all you can do is flush buffers and setup all IRQ handlers and timers and whatnot anew. Or you go brute force and power down the complete power domain, which also resets several other interfaces (UART? cannot recall details) --- disclaimer: IIRC09:45
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APicCelebrate Confuflux.12:32
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DocScrutinizer05yeehaaa!  netsplit12:56
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ulthave anyone had good results with smscon COM_CUSTOM defined as Sript ** * * * * , particularly with usercmd arguments processing?18:48
ultsmscon_script is taken from wiki18:49
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sixwheeledbeastult: yes, are you having issues?19:15
ultyep, specifically with the way parameters are passed19:16
ultdependless of delimeter used, it's always $1='p1 p2...pn', not $1=p1, $2=p2, etc19:17
sixwheeledbeastult: I have not played with it for a while, gimme a bit and I'll check out my version and settings, I am cooking at the moment. ;)19:18
ultso you can't say something like Script usercmd ls -l -a /home19:18
ultokay, take your time19:18
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sixwheeledbeastult: ok what was your problem?20:53
ultif i try to sms the daemon with $prefixScript$delimusercmd$delim$arg1$arg2 it's parsed incorrectly, resulting in wrong path in case stament inside smscon_script is taken and it finishes with "unknown command". afaict this is due to incorrect argument processing20:57
ult$prefixScript$delimusercmd$delim$arg1$delim$arg2$suffix actually20:58
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sixwheeledbeastdo you have an example?21:06
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ultsixwheeledbeast: Script usercmd ls -l -a /home21:12
ultsixwheeledbeast: depending of what delimiter you set, you may need to replace the spaces with it21:13
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sixwheeledbeastWell I have a list of /home directories in my script.log file after testing it.21:16
sixwheeledbeastult: ^^^21:16
ultsixwheeledbeast: smscon version?21:17
sixwheeledbeastthe latest from devel...lemme check21:18
sixwheeledbeastult: 0.10.9-421:19
sixwheeledbeastI have commented out every line in the smscon_script file and put ls -la /home at the EOF21:21
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ultsixwheeledbeast: CSSU repo? extras-devel  has 0.10.9-1 most recent. and what's the idea behind commenting out everything while script itself is needed to parse input?21:29
sixwheeledbeastult:  ah sorry yes 0.10.9-1 smscon 0.10.9-4 smscon editor21:31
sixwheeledbeastthe current content of the script file is an example script21:31
ultsixwheeledbeast: does the script look like http://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON#An_example_user_script_for_COM_CUSTOM21:31
ultsixwheeledbeast: perfect timing :-D21:32
sixwheeledbeastult: it's similar but the wiki is not up to date AFAIK21:32
sixwheeledbeastyou can remove everything after the shebang line if you wish or even copy it somewhere "script.bak"21:34
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ultsixwheeledbeast: no, i like it the way it is, i just needed a way to somehow pass the arguments to usercmd. in the end just patched it to forcefully divide the $CMD in atual cmd and args and launch stuff accordingly. but it has one downside - have to rely on known delimiter, if it changes, simplest parsing i've added will break.21:37
sixwheeledbeastult: hmmm, so is your file "exactly" as the wiki page?21:41
ultsixwheeledbeast: it was before i've started to fiddle with it21:41
sixwheeledbeastult: my file shares some content but it's not the same. there is some more user instructions gimme a minute...21:43
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sixwheeledbeastult: http://pastebin.com/eFQ3hgCy21:56
sixwheeledbeastI believe it explains a bit better how to format the script21:57
ultsixwheeledbeast: got it, placeholder processing examples is pretty much identical to those in wiki. but, look at the wiki's script, part with case branches, specifically in usercmd) one: without modification it's never triggered, unless your sms contains no actual command after usercmd string.22:04
sixwheeledbeastult: ah, maybe this is why it was changed on a later version.22:06
ultsixwheeledbeast: and this happens because of $CMD in the beginning has ALL of the params in it, they are not passed in $2 $3 etc. and delimiters are present in $CMD, so if it would be triggered by adding * at the end of usercmd*), then any kind of delimiter other than space would make sh fail on input parsing, if you wouldn't fix it manually beforehand.22:11
sixwheeledbeast:nod:22:11
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ultsixwheeledbeast: well, i was telling this exactly about last version - parameter passing is done somewhere inside the python code.22:16
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ultsixwheeledbeast: no, it seems you was right - just tried with 'for p in "$@" echo $p' and got them properly divided. no idea why in CMD=$(trim "${1:-default}") had them all in one string.22:32
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